I was just wondering are there any graphic designers / photographers on here that would consider using a photo taken on the galaxy s2 for their professional work?
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I suspect that they would given that the photo was well taken, because the camera is pretty good if you ask me
I've done some professional photography work. SGS2 photos, well taken (as Regretful mentioned) , could definitely be offered professionally.
Well it depends what for, and frankly no, not really . For stuff like newspaper editorial or web use it might just about do. However for anything like proper advertising, event photography or landscape/travel stuff erm no, no chance ever. It's a decent enough point and shoot but that's it... tiny sensor, no proper manual controls, no lenses, no off-shoe flash, it would also never survive the sort of use we put our gear through and I could go on and on and on...
Thanks for the replies, that gives me something to go on. I'm a graphic/packaging/web designer myself and I'm looking to advance my photography skills. I just needed to get past the mental block that if a photo opertunity presented itself when I didn't have my DSLR camera on me, then it wasn't worthwhile taking my galaxy s2 out of my pocket. Perhaps for some things it may just about do
Does anyone know of any good photography communities on the web?
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How a Mobile camera and the word Professional goes together?
I'm not sure that's why I'm asking here, I suppose there is that age old saying that 'it's not the camera but the person behind the camera that counts'. I do remember seeing however a news story a while back about a older well respected world class photographer who was doing a photo shoot with a mobile phone and I'm sure the mobile he used wasn't a scratch on the galaxy s2.
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You'd be much better served by pretty much any digital compact. The S2 has an OK camera for quick snaps and what not, but it's still a phone camera with all the limitations that implies.
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Forget looking on a screen, most stuff looks ok - the real test would be printing A2 or double-page mag spread...
theinstagator said:
I just needed to get past the mental block that if a photo opertunity presented itself when I didn't have my DSLR camera on me, then it wasn't worthwhile taking my galaxy s2 out of my pocket. Perhaps for some things it may just about do
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Now that's different better to have some pictures than none if you come across something you think is worth shooting, and in this case I wouldn't hesitate to use the phone but for a paid job, I'll stick to the proper gear
Mmm I feel a challenge coming on ;-)
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I'm a web designer, jux got my SGS II for 3rd weeks, for me, I wont consider using it as Professional Camera use.. the camera more like the snapshot, compact-kind of camera for me..
or maybe anyone here can intro some nice apps for it "transform" into a professional camera?
www .goo .gl/qddv7
There's your answer, an album containing photographs taken with an iphone!
The book btw is widely available - printed or as a virtual print, so here you see the golden rule for success in photography still applies:
1. To be there = 75%
2. To know how = 20%
3. To have the gear = 5%
So the gear - an iphone, sgs2, nokia 3210 (if it had a camera), canon 5dmkII - practically doesn't matter! It's you, your skills, knowledge etc.. makes the difference.
If you know your gear's strenghts and weaknesses (huge depth of field for instance) you may actually use it to your favour.
So go and shoot, shoot, shoot!
All the best.
chalger
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www .goo .gl/qddv7
There's your answer, an album containing photographs taken with an iphone!
The book btw is widely available - printed or as a virtual print, so here you see the golden rule for success in photography still applies:
1. To be there = 75%
2. To know how = 20%
3. To have the gear = 5%
So the gear - an iphone, sgs2, nokia 3210 (if it had a camera), canon 5dmkII - practically doesn't matter! It's you, your skills, knowledge etc.. makes the difference.
If you know your gear's strenghts and weaknesses (huge depth of field for instance) you may actually use it to your favour.
So go and shoot, shoot, shoot!
All the best.
chalger
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Interesting....can you post that link again please? I'd like to take a look.....
chalger said:
1. To be there = 75%
2. To know how = 20%
3. To have the gear = 5%
So the gear - an iphone, sgs2, nokia 3210 (if it had a camera), canon 5dmkII - practically doesn't matter! It's you, your skills, knowledge etc.. makes the difference.
If you know your gear's strenghts and weaknesses (huge depth of field for instance) you may actually use it to your favour.
So go and shoot, shoot, shoot!
All the best.
chalger
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You can take a good picture with any camera - that much is true. However what we are discussing here is professional use to earn a living... and a mobile will just not do.
For example, I used to shoot a lot of motosport... your mobile will not have the reach, your mobile will not be able to focus fast enough and keep focus, your mobile will not survive long if you have to shoot in the rain all day, your mobile will not survive long if you have to take close to 1000 pictures in a day. How are you going to have decent pictures if you cannot manually change your settings for example if there's big dark clouds overhead, cars have headlights on and to get a good exposure you're going to need to shoot 800 f2.8 iso 800?
Then you have to look at the actual quality of the pictures (not whether it's a good shot or not) and what it's going to be used for.
And then there's the fact that earning your living from photography isn't about taking the best picture in the world every time you press the shutter, it's about delivering what your client requires every time without fail. You simply cannot say that you can't do x or y shot because your phone camera isn't capable of delivering what they want.
I whished to repost the asked link but the weird policy of this site does not agree with it ;-) (as it is also not possible for newcomers to post on the real forums of their concern ! Never seen this before )
Anyway it seems to me obvious that the number 1 quality of a recording device is to be available when you need it... professionnal or not
picture quality is an issue but the one of SGS2 is very good. Better than many compact dedicated cameras
Very big no from me...
1. No aperture control on it (as with all android cam s/w, not open or I would have made an app ) (or shutter time etc)
2. Dire stop range in latitude of the image (compensated for with f/w by quite harsh contrast i think)
3. No RAW image data, be pointless with the sensor neways
4. No Focus control (control does not = touch the screen )
5. No external flash or way to sync to external flashes with speeeeeed
There are loads more, but they are my top 5
Thanks for all your options and the link, it's certainly given me some food for thought I think what I had in mind was an image no larger than A5, maybe A4 max to be used along side my graphics. If anything it will give me an excuse to practice my composition and for more advanced things and paid work my DSLR will be there.
Does anyone know of any good photography forums/communities they could point me to? This has given me an idea to see how good of an image I can catch with the gs2. If I get anything I think could be worthwhile I'll post it here and if anyone else is up for it I'll be very interested in what they can achieve. All the best, happy snapping
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Oh ****, I know some photography-addicts that don't want to hear anything about photo's made by mobile phones. Nothing compares to a good quality camera with huge lenses that allow you to change the focus.
I do have to say playing with the focus on one of those cameras sure looks badass and makes the picture speak a lot more.
I have been keeping track of this as I use my phone as my main source of pics. What is really the deal? There are some great devs saying it is possible to hack and up the mp and others yelling fraud. I'm not smart enough to know the true answer. Anyone with real knowledge want to give me their opinion on what really is possible?
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I have been keeping track of this as I use my phone as my main source of pics. What is really the deal? There are some great devs saying it is possible to hack and up the mp and others yelling fraud. I'm not smart enough to know the true answer. Anyone with real knowledge want to give me their opinion on what really is possible?
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I wouldn't say anything's impossible. But, the current method of doing it involves nothing more than a few smali edits (decompiling the dex file within apks and jar files) with no testing. Some of the smali edits are as easy as changing a 0x1 to 0x0 or vice versa and a lot of them are easily labeled within code. For instance something like:
IsSupportCoffeMaker
0x0
May be easily enabled by changing it to 0x1 in which 0x0 would be disabled (0=off) and 0x1 would be enabled (1=on)
I haven't bothered tinkering with the HTC Camera apk to see what exactly was changed to enable the camera to show 2mp and even 1080p, but be rest assured that for something like this, it isn't as easy as flipping a switch in code and is more than likely going to need real talent such as those who worked on getting 720p to the Nexus One--which is why none of these camera mods actually work. If the proper testing would have gone into this before getting it rushed out to the public, we would see none of them being advertised.
Taking pictures at the 2mp setting on the front facing camera yields the same 1mp photos, and trying to shoot video in 1080p in 2D turns the viewfinder black and produces 0byte files.
If it were actually discovered through reverse engineering that the camera sensors were capable of recording in 1080p as well as the front facing camera shooting photos at 2mp, then it most definitely is possible and would require great minds to unlock it. HTC normally ships a lot of Android phones running slightly modified software of the same base with different switches flipped on and off to support the different types of hardware that are in said phone. Since it would cost much more money for them to develop specifically for each phone, it's easier to develop a single software base, then just flip things on and off as the hardware calls for it. But, there are also a lot of phones that can handle having certain features that were meant for other phones, or even as a test of some sort being enabled, that's why some smali edits actually work. You also have to take into account some features that people enable will come at a cost of stability since some things were never meant to be on any phone and was probably added for testing purposes.
At any rate, with the right people working on this, I would say that it may very well be possible to get both of the hacks working, but I would also say don't hold your breath.
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I have been keeping track of this as I use my phone as my main source of pics. What is really the deal? There are some great devs saying it is possible to hack and up the mp and others yelling fraud. I'm not smart enough to know the true answer. Anyone with real knowledge want to give me their opinion on what really is possible?
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I have a camera mod in the "themes and apps" section. It opened up 2mp front cam, HDR, panorama, etc.(most of which don't actually work) I did update it to unlock 8mp as well but never uploaded because it didn't actually work. I also saw many devs release an 8mp cam around that timeframe too.
My thoughts are that the HTCCamera.apk and many other apps that are involved in Sense are a "fit to order" type deal. So they would add all these features for all their cameras into a single apk. And simply flip the right "switches" which are present in the smali files to get it to work. Since our cam doesn't actually have those features. Flipping the "switch" doesn't turn anything on. Its a broke switch, basically.
In short. Just because a feature can be unlocked doesn't mean our phone can even do it. That's my thought anyway.
Hi All,
I'm new to the Android world, but since I get by banging out code for a living, and have a penchant for photography in my free time, I was hoping to toy around with the camera software a little to see if it could be improved.
Basically, given the specs of the lens and the device (which, while obviously not specialized hardware, crushes my SLR in terms of raw processing power), I see no reason as to why it has to take two-to-three seconds between shots (fixable by buffering the writes methinks), or roughly a second to autofocus (the issue...).
Which brings me to the heart of my question: the Android SDK (and, I'm assuming NDK, though I haven't toyed with that yet) only interfaces the camera firmware, ie., I can do something really basic like takePicture, but I can't really delve into the nuts-and-bolts of that process.
Assuming the nitty gritty would be located as a driver/firmware in the kernal, I downloaded the source for my phone. It appears that most of the drivers are precompiled .bin's, and I can't seem to find the source for those. The manufacturer is a bit sparse in providing the actual specifics of the camera hardware so I could dig out the manufacturer's docs, and I'm hesitant to disassemble my phone for something which may or may not even be worthwhile.
Is there a way for me to assert low level control over the camera? Would I need to rewrite the firmware from scratch? Has anyone toyed with this kind of thing and can offer some insight?
Your help is most appreciated! Thanks!
I'd like to see something like this possible.
My previous phones were almost like SLR's in comparison to what I have now ( k750i, k800i and even the dreaded P1i versus Gio ) despite the same or even lower Mpix count. The pics produced by Gio are simply awful in terms of everything except the color representation.
What I'd like to have, is the ability to manually adjust ISO and exposure times. Tried most available apps, but the outcome still is *sigh*...
Indeed, everything I've seen in the market pertaining to the camera appears to be "post processing" of the raw image. My hope was rather to optimize/tweak/flat-out-rewrite the image capture itself (AF, AE, WB, ISO, drive, metering and the like) to allow for something a little more robust (and in my case, speedy).
But given that I haven't been able to dig much up on the topic, I'm guessing that this is tied into the firmware (making a universal solution difficult), and I'm further guessing that the camera firmware may, in general, be closed source.
My hope is that someone with a little more experience than moi can confirm?
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last try! bumpitybump
I'm not knowledgeable in this area but is it possible to develop a camera app completely separate from stock that allows for DSLR like control and save codec change?
The reason I ask is that if the camera's sensor can do 4k resolution then it should see everything in 4:4:4 detail instead of the H.264's 4:2:0
As a film hobbyist I supplement my main gear with my phone camera at times. This phone's camera possibly opens soooo many more avenues for indie and hobbyists. Not so much a samsung gimmick if we can actually put it to good use.
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I'm not knowledgeable in this area but is it possible to develop a camera app completely separate from stock that allows for DSLR like control and save codec change?
The reason I ask is that if the camera's sensor can do 4k resolution then it should see everything in 4:4:4 detail instead of the H.264's 4:2:0
As a film hobbyist I supplement my main gear with my phone camera at times. This phone's camera possibly opens soooo many more avenues for indie and hobbyists. Not so much a samsung gimmick if we can actually put it to good use.
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There are a few guys that specialize in adjusting camera settings and options.
There is a really popular guy over at the lg g2 forums. I would recommend we wait til they come over or ask some of them to check out our camera.
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Is there anyone else knowledgeable in this subject or possibly something new I've not come across?
Hey folks,
due to the fact, that the Mate 20 Pro shoot 4K on a ridiculous low birate (40mbit), I`m asking myself if there is a a possible way to fix this with a camera mod. In the past, I`ve seen camera mods for LG G3, Note series etc.
I guess, the disappoiting video Quality would be much better, if you choose bitrates like 100mbit. Even small gadgets like DJI Osmo Pocket can shoot that and are also able to shoot 60 FPS. The Kirin 980 should be able to handle this, or am I wrong?
Sadly, I am no developer and could only ask. Is someone working on this already?
I haven't seen much discussion on the actual capabilities of the video, and we will probably not see much 3rd party stuff for the camera(s) on this phone. Usually phone manufacturers are more worried about limitations on data storage and maintaining that write-speed over time rather than high def bitrate. Who knows though, it looks like Huawei is still working on the camera features and nearly every firmware update has tweaked something related.
you must know that in camera and GPS department, Huawei is all by itself: No Google API support.
So Huawei SD team have been building their own APIs and Huawei must admit that they can't beat Google in terms of software innovations. This is the very reason we don't have [email protected] yet.
Also we still don't have full-fledged dual GPS support yet: L5/E5a still doesn't support Multipath feature , and all 3rd party GPS apps are based on Google API, otherwise HM20P by now would have been a GPS beast.
That's why google App developments are rich, robust and is meticulously handled basee . Huawei will take years to match with Google Software potential.
Even if you manage to install stock android on M20P it will make no sense at all, unless it is Xiaomi which is still friendly to Google.
I am not for or against companies, but fact is fact: Don't expect magic from Huawei.
Use ultracorder from playstore 80 mb bitrate supported. Super smooth videos on 4k.
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Use ultracorder from playstore 80 mb bitrate supported. Super smooth videos on 4k.
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could you create the comparison video about this?
Checkout urself bro & decide.