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Hey all!
Sorry if this has been asked before (I've seen posts about it but no straight answers on the issue).
I have a brand new T-Mobile Amaze and a brand new Wind Mobile Amaze. Long story about why!
I can't decide which to keep. I like the fact that Winds is unbranded. I would probably like to use the wifi calling feature on the T-Mobile one when I visit the US (I spend 5 months in the US and the rest of the year in Canada). I don't think I want to root this phone....am undecided right now. The thing that bothers me though, is the camera program on the Wind Mobile version. It's completely different and I like the T-Mobile one better. If I DID decide to root, could I get the T-mobile camera on the Wind one? And then, how would wifi calling work?
Sorry, I'm a newb who is not savvy about any of this stuff....
Any help would be appreciated
Also, I read something a while back, that the bands are different between the two versions. Is this true?
Thanks in advance! CHEERS!
I'm no pro and please correct me anyone if i'm wrong but yes. the bands are different, which is why there are different RUU's for the telus, tmos, wind etc amazes.
I'm pretty sure if you kept your wind mobile one and then followed the procedure to root the device, you'll be able to use the ROM's that we have on XDA and then in my opinion that would give you the camera from the T-mobile one (most likely unless it's been changed) - but yeah don't hold me 100% accountable for this.
You can flash a T-Mobile based ROM onto the WIND's Amaze. With this, you will get the camera interface from the T-Mobile Amaze. I'm not sure about WiFi calling since I never use it - actually I don't even know if WIND has WiFi calling on their network.
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
Thanks for the replies
Hmmmm, I may think about rooting after all....I am looking at both the T-Mobile and the Wind site....
T-Mobile Amaze:
850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100);UMTS: Band V (850)
Wind Amaze:
3G (UMTS/HSPA) AWS 1700/2100 2G (GSM/GPRS/EDGE) 850/1900/900/1800
They look like the same bands to me. (??) I really like the unbranded Wind one. I'm not sure if I would ever use wifi calling when I had the phone in the US. Could I potentially add the T-Mobile wifi calling to a rooted Wind Amaze do you think?
Thanks so much once again. Sorry for the dummy questions....!
Wind's Amaze bands are (from the box, and I have verified that I could connect to both T-mobile and AT&T bands while in the states):
HSPA 850/1700/1900/2100.
GSM 850/900/1800/1900.
Kernels from Faux do work on the Wind Amaze (at least, they did for me when I was running custom).
morrislee said:
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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Ohhh I had no idea....
Well I guess that makes things easier for me
Thanks everyone once again!
morrislee said:
Keep the t mobile one, wind one is not yet compatible with the kernels supplied by custom ROMs for now. Means anything with faux kernel
I know it says compatible with all the htc amaze on the kernel page but it is not for the Wind
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I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
adslee said:
I don't know what you're talking about, but Faux kernel works fine with my WIND Amaze.
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Your videos work fine after? camera still work???? maybe you have a slightly different variant, but recent batch seems to be incompatible.
Hmmm, now I REALLY don't know what to do! I guess I will keep the T-Mobile one since I have already been tinkering with it...that keeps the Wind Mobile one brand new so I can resell it! I suppose I can be a girly girl and put some swarovski crytals over the darned T-Mobile branding!
Now, next step is to find out how to get the wifi hotspot working. Have been reading up on this. May be easier just to root it.
If I unlock it and use it on Wind, would the wifi hotspot work without rooting it?
Thanks again everyone
if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
ed116 said:
if i was you i would keep the wind one ... why? because the tmobile branding is a HUGE turnoff when you are looking at your screen (sorry americans!) They are generally the same device just with no branding, you could push an apk to your system folder or apps cant remember and it should work as long as you have a t-mobile sim card. In canada we do not have wifi calling so it wouldnt working here (duh!) Good luck with your pick! what i would suggest be the breaking point is check if either device has S-OFF if it does you could sell it to a developer (possible a little cheaper so they can start making roms and try to achieve s-off in all other devices.) Good luck with your pick, basically theyre both the same device.
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Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
starspun said:
Heya!
Ok, so they are the same device exactly....hmmm. So, wifi calling isn't as a big deal as the camera software. I want to make sure I could for SURE have the T-Mobile Camera on the Wind phone. And if I root the Wind one, I am assuming the start up animation can be changed. The Wind one is lame. T-Mobile one is much better;-)
I am not sure what S-Off is....but can you tell me how to check for that?
Thanks a bunch!
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you have to boot into bootloader (by removing battery then - pressing volume down and holding it down and then press power button (you should keep pressing both power + volume until you get into bootloader.) if you install a custom rom like bulletproof or sense 3.5 you will get The new Camera APK and bulletproof has wifi calling included good luck!
I don't know why people keep saying that T-Mobile and Wind are different bands.
You do realize that the reason why Wind doesn't get different phones from T-Mobile is because they use the same bands, right?
If the phone doesn't work on T-Mobile's standard 3g+ network (AWS) it won't work on Wind, and vice-versa.
The only thing you need to worry about it is it being sim-unlocked.
The different RUUs only exist because of carrier customization and locking. Wind's Amaze RUU is pretty much stock without the extra bloat of T-Mobile Apps. But of course, the T-Mobile RUU also has the updated camera function, unlike Wind's.
Also, that's the first I've heard about Wind Amaze's having problems with faux's kernel. FYI my Wind Amaze's camera works fine on faux's latest kernel and NRG's Energy ROM (and xboarder's when I used his). However, mine was manufactured in November, so YMMV.
Actually youre a bit wrong on that, T-Mobile does support 2G network so any phone with 2G bands (such as iphone or galaxy note) will work on T-Mobile Network with 2G Internet Speeds. And the RUUs are made for the carrier specific device so if you want to revert stock always use ur own carriers RUU!
I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
Raydonn said:
I know, that's why I mentioned the standard 3g+ AWS network. If it doesn't work on the 3g network on T-mobile, it won't work on Wind's Home network which uses the same 1700/2100 band (also why people tend to buy T-mobile phones and use them on Wind's network).
And yes, reverting to stock using the same RUU is a good idea. However, from my experience with Motorola's SBFs, they are interchangable among the same device. Because Wind didn't have a publicly leaked SBF, we've been using other carrier's SBFs without problems when reverting to "near" stock.
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Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
Accophox said:
Ahh... another unsatisfied XT720 user. ;p
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Hohoho, you've caught me. (So many random freezes/battery pulls)
Now I'm a mostly satisfied Amaze user. Just need to wait for those new ICS ROMs.
Also, quick reading for those who are still confused about radio bands / if it will work on your network.
http://www.howardforums.com/showthr...ne-Will-Work-With-WIND-(or-Any-Other-Carrier)
i still dont know why tmobile version is the only one that have all those camera features, the wind version of the Amaze have the old camera UI like the sensation does, but im sure there should be a flashable zip for the camera like tmobile amaze version is.
anyone that had the sensation 4g knows what im talking about
i dont know if the same flash zip file from the sensation works or not, im not a pro but i figure it wont cause its made to work with the sensation,
another thing guys, they have a blueray feature for the camera when recording, you guys think it can be port over to the amaze?
If you rooted your phone, I have the tmo camera apk for you.
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Alright, so I'm not new to Moto android devices. I'm currently stuck with a regional carrier (nTelos), and I had a few questions before I upgrade.
My choices are narrow, but they updated their devices not too long ago when I last checked, and the Razr Maxx was one of the choices I can upgrade to.
My main question is this. My carrier doesn't support LTE, and on my Droid X I was fine when I flashed roms to it, because none of them touched the radio, so I was alright to use the roms that were really made for Verizon phones. I know for a fact however that the LTE radio has been either removed/disabled in the variant of the Razr I will be picking up, so I am wondering if I flash to an AOKP build once I pick up my Razr if it will touch my radio and mess with the configuration? I may be asking kind of a dumb question, but it's a big thing for me because I go to college out of state, and I'd have to ship the phone back and be phoneless for up to a week.
Help a noob out? :silly:
DamienFox said:
Alright, so I'm not new to Moto android devices. I'm currently stuck with a regional carrier (nTelos), and I had a few questions before I upgrade.
My choices are narrow, but they updated their devices not too long ago when I last checked, and the Razr Maxx was one of the choices I can upgrade to.
My main question is this. My carrier doesn't support LTE, and on my Droid X I was fine when I flashed roms to it, because none of them touched the radio, so I was alright to use the roms that were really made for Verizon phones. I know for a fact however that the LTE radio has been either removed/disabled in the variant of the Razr I will be picking up, so I am wondering if I flash to an AOKP build once I pick up my Razr if it will touch my radio and mess with the configuration? I may be asking kind of a dumb question, but it's a big thing for me because I go to college out of state, and I'd have to ship the phone back and be phoneless for up to a week.
Help a noob out? :silly:
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anyone?
I don't think it'll make much of a difference, XT912 as well has a few roms, the radio will be untouched if you are installing any custom roms.
I'm not sure if it will affect your radio. Make sure you backup your stock rom. If you use Safestrap, you'll be able to basically install other roms on top of your stock rom, so if your new rom doesn't work, you should just be able to quickly switch back to your stock rom by rebooting your phone. Additionally, it's probably worth mentioning that in the roms I've tried, there are options to change which types of networks you connect to, and if you're concerned, you could just tell your phone not to connect to LTE/4G (assuming the radio still works... I don't know much about how that works, but I think your phone would still work fine).
Hello. I am Currently running the Stock Kit Kat T-mobile rom. I am S-off and rooted. What would be the benefits or drawbacks of completely converting my phone to either the Google Play Edition or the Developer edition version? I know they don't include Sense, but is that the only difference? Thanks for any information!
toaks said:
Hello. I am Currently running the Stock Kit Kat T-mobile rom. I am S-off and rooted. What would be the benefits or drawbacks of completely converting my phone to either the Google Play Edition or the Developer edition version? I know they don't include Sense, but is that the only difference? Thanks for any information!
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The developer does include sense. The only advantage is that it doesn't have any TMO software, and they generally get updates before the TMO ones.
Advantage to GPE is that is gets updates first and has very little software installed.
At the moment I can't recall if either of these has the HSPA+ using the AWS band, maybe someone else can chime in here. Having AWS is why I got the TMO version in the first place.
OK so if I use the GPE version, I won't be able to connect to T-Mobiles high speed network? Man that sucks.
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The developer does include sense. The only advantage is that it doesn't have any TMO software, and they generally get updates before the TMO ones.
Advantage to GPE is that is gets updates first and has very little software installed.
At the moment I can't recall if either of these has the HSPA+ using the AWS band, maybe someone else can chime in here. Having AWS is why I got the TMO version in the first place.
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OK so if I use the GPE version, I won't be able to connect to T-Mobiles high speed network? Man that sucks.
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I'm hoping someone else chimes in here, because I'm not positive. The phone will always have the radio for AWS, but the software is not in the GPE or Developer edition.
Even if this is true, it will always work with the refarmed 1900 and LTE. So your coverage may be OK depending on your location.
Looking at the Google Play page, I don't see HSPA+ AWS listed:
https://play.google.com/store/devices/details?id=htc_one
EDIT: But if you have S-Off anyway, why not just flash it and see what happens? You can always flash back to TMO or use a custom ROM.
Yea I might just give it a try. I just flashed the T-mobile Kit Kat update so I'll probably try it for a bit, then switch to the GPE and see how I like it. Thanks for the input.
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toaks said:
Yea I might just give it a try. I just flashed the T-mobile Kit Kat update so I'll probably try it for a bit, then switch to the GPE and see how I like it. Thanks for the input.
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You are welcome. The HTC One is the first HTC phone I have not unlocked and flashed a ROM. The hardware specs are so good that I've never felt the need.
I'm about to get an LG G2, probably sprint or verizon edition.
Is it possible to unlock the Sprint/Verizon LG G2 to use it on T-Mobile or worldwide carriers? With 4G and LTE?
Are there good ROMs for this device? Does it come with an in built backup like Motorola has its RSD lite?
Thanks!
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I'm about to get an LG G2, probably sprint or verizon edition.
Is it possible to unlock the Sprint/Verizon LG G2 to use it on T-Mobile or worldwide carriers? With 4G and LTE?
Are there good ROMs for this device? Does it come with an in built backup like Motorola has its RSD lite?
Thanks!
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Yes you can unlock these models to work on any GSM carrier, and I recommend resurrection remix rom or cloudy g3,Res Remix rom is the latest version of Android (5.0.2)
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androidnewbie123 said:
I'm about to get an LG G2, probably sprint or verizon edition.
Is it possible to unlock the Sprint/Verizon LG G2 to use it on T-Mobile or worldwide carriers? With 4G and LTE?
Are there good ROMs for this device? Does it come with an in built backup like Motorola has its RSD lite?
Thanks!
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You won't get LTE on the Sprint model on T-Mobile I think. I don't know about Verizon. 3.5G HSPA+ will work fine though. As for good ROMs, you'll have to deal with bugs. Though I had good luck with dr87's Madhi ROM (kitkat). A pity he's retired from the G2 deving scene...
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androidnewbie123 said:
I'm about to get an LG G2, probably sprint or verizon edition.
Is it possible to unlock the Sprint/Verizon LG G2 to use it on T-Mobile or worldwide carriers? With 4G and LTE?
Are there good ROMs for this device? Does it come with an in built backup like Motorola has its RSD lite?
Thanks!
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do remember that the maximum number of ROMs/accessories are for the GSM series (D800/801/802/803)
Get the Verizon model
It also has Qi Wireless Charging, Unlocked GSM radios, good rom support.
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Get the Verizon model
It also has Qi Wireless Charging, Unlocked GSM radios, good rom support.
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Thanks for the heads up!
Does the Verizon model support the bands of LTE for other carriers though?
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do remember that the maximum number of ROMs/accessories are for the GSM series (D800/801/802/803)
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I'll keep this in mind, the only ROM I'd like so far is CM12 though
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Yes you can unlock these models to work on any GSM carrier, and I recommend resurrection remix rom or cloudy g3,Res Remix rom is the latest version of Android (5.0.2)
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Thank you for your ROM recommendation, although I believe the Sprint model can't use LTE/4G on other GSM networks.
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Thank you for your ROM recommendation, although I believe the Sprint model can't use LTE/4G on other GSM networks.
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Ah ok
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PloniAlmoni said:
You won't get LTE on the Sprint model on T-Mobile I think. I don't know about Verizon. 3.5G HSPA+ will work fine though. As for good ROMs, you'll have to deal with bugs. Though I had good luck with dr87's Madhi ROM (kitkat). A pity he's retired from the G2 deving scene...
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It's great that the Sprint edition of the G2 is cheaper, but it won't work for my T-Mobile 4G plan I guess.
Bugs are fine, I've been on my Atrix 2 for ages and flashed more than 10 ROMs
Just a quick question: If I get any version of the G2 that's locked, can I flash a custom ROM to unlock it?
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Just a quick question: If I get any version of the G2 that's locked, can I flash a custom ROM to unlock it?
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What do you mean by locked?
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It is locked to Verizon, being a Verizon phone... but it has Unlocked GSM bands... so it will work with AT&T and Tmobile with no problem, without tweaking. I believe you can also flash actual Tmobile/AT&T roms on it. I am not 100% certain but I am pretty sure I have heard of people doing this to gain extra carrier specific stuff like T-Mobile's WiFi calling.
Also I like CloudyG3 2.0 rom. CM12 Lollipop also works great on the Verizon G2
I don't think that the Verizon G2 will work with T-Mobile LTE either, unless it supports both T-Mobile's and Verizon's LTE bands. You can use T-Mobile with either device, just no LTE.
What about the AT&T model? Can I tweak that to work worldwide and with T-Mobile 4G?
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I don't think that the Verizon G2 will work with T-Mobile LTE either, unless it supports both T-Mobile's and Verizon's LTE bands. You can use T-Mobile with either device, just no LTE.
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I can attest to this - I took my G2 to the Philippines without modification and was able to use it on their GSM network.
Why would you want a G2, as a stock phone it is one of the best ever, BUT as a phone for flashing roms and stuff, it is like a cold wet rag, yeah we have some FULLY functioning stock based and ported roms, there are also some cute roms that are far from fully functional (AOSP, CM, PA, etc etc),yeah you can have themes but you can bet you will be giving up something for pretty icons, i.e rotation, BT, GPS, Volume, screen damage, etc., hell sometimes you might give up all of these, smh.
If you want to flash "fully functioning" non-alpha/beta roms then check out some other phones too before making that purchase.
As far as getting phones from one company to work on another's network, I thought that if they do not allow the IMEI number it won't matter what you do to unlock. Maybe I am mistaken.
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Thanks for the heads up!
Does the Verizon model support the bands of LTE for other carriers though?
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Most people I've see post about it on vzw get LTE NP, and everything seems to work well for them.
There was a good bit of people having issues with screen damage, but a lot of that has weened off, haven't seen anyone post about it for a while.
Been flashing this vs980 daily for over a year, and its good to go. Best phone I've purchased.
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Why would you want a G2, as a stock phone it is one of the best ever, BUT as a phone for flashing roms and stuff, it is like a cold wet rag, yeah we have some FULLY functioning stock based and ported roms, there are also some cute roms that are far from fully functional (AOSP, CM, PA, etc etc),yeah you can have themes but you can bet you will be giving up something for pretty icons, i.e rotation, BT, GPS, Volume, screen damage, etc., hell sometimes you might give up all of these, smh.
If you want to flash "fully functioning" non-alpha/beta roms then check out some other phones too before making that purchase.
As far as getting phones from one company to work on another's network, I thought that if they do not allow the IMEI number it won't matter what you do to unlock. Maybe I am mistaken.
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I think you're wrong. There are some great ROMs for the G2. Even CM12 i heard runs surprisingly flawless. I personally love the LG ROMs and running a G3 port that is super solid. The G2 is a wicked phone and has a sweet dev community because of it.
I've not heard any negative complaints.
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I think you're wrong. There are some great ROMs for the G2. Even CM12 i heard runs surprisingly flawless. I personally love the LG ROMs and running a G3 port that is super solid. The G2 is a wicked phone and has a sweet dev community because of it.
I've not heard any negative complaints.
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I don't think that they own a G2. CM11 was as solid as stock and the CM12 based roms are great with only very minor issues.
I have a verizon htc one max s-off, rooted, running the adrenaline rom. I am about to switch carriers to tmobile. I bought a cheap straight talk kit just to see what the service would be like but i only was picking up the edge band?
Anyways after reading some post i added lines to build.prop and changed sku_id=13 to 11 in the defualt.xml in system/customize. It still would not get 3g or 4g. Everything else worked great. I read somewhere my rom is missing the bands.
So i think all the custom verizon roms wont help me? I need a international rom correct? Can you flash a different carrier rom over? I don't want to brick my phone. I don't want to stay with verizon either. Would love to keep this phone and rom. But its looking like i need a different rom to use tmobile.
I found skydragon v2.0 vzw thats supposed to work. But the dowmload buttom at 4uplod.com always lags out. Could not find another download.
My overall goal is to get 4g on tmobile. Any help much appreciated.
Supercid 1111111!!!!
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Thanks! I looked up super cid and saved the page.
I think I'm just going to pick up a T-Mobile m7 for now. Seem to be pretty cheap. Having trouble finding a tmobile compatible HTC one Max rom