Hello guys,
Thanks to our devs, the device didn't die on android development-wise but it's starting to show its age with new software releases. I always wanted to have an unlocked bootloader solution for xt910 and xt912 but there have never been one. I waited for an official solution from motorola but they never cared. If we start a bounty for xt910 bootloader unlock, we might have a small chance to unlock it. I will happily donate 50$ for this cause. If we can collect some $$$$, some crackers on the good side might be interested with this.
XT910 & XT912 BOOTLOADER UNLOCK BOUNTY FROM the DEVICE COMMUNITY !
BOUNTY GOAL : 1000 USD ! Collected amount 270 USD, Remaining amount. 730 USD.
DONORS LIST
The one who unlocks the bootloader of retail droid razr and razr omap4 devices and offers a solution for the users will claim his bounty money from the donors immediately. If the donors don't die before they see that the bootloader could be unlocked with their devices, donors and users will pay for development efforts instantly.
Semseddin 50 usd
Crumplet 40 usd
nandeh 25 usd
tydiamond 15usd
pepcisko 50 usd
Firex2 40 usd
neo.amk 50 usd
Ok let's try this again...
Please keep things on topic here and resist the urge to share opinions that are not on-topic with the OP
Semseddin said:
Hello guys,
Thanks to our devs, the device didn't die on android development-wise but it's starting to show its age with new software releases. I always wanted to have an unlocked bootloader solution for xt910 and xt912 but there have never been one. I waited for an official solution from motorola but they never cared. If we start a bounty for xt910 bootloader unlock, we might have a small chance to unlock it. I will happily donate 50$ for this cause. If we can collect some $$$$, some crackers on the good side might be interested with this.
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Well, new start with a better post no anger anymore.
I would suggest that we first do some research about the possibilities before starting a bounty. Another question might be if money is really needed to do this - just want to say that there might be a way without paying money - and if there is success many people will be lucky to throw some $$$$.
As a first step I will invite Ravi into this discussion who found a possible way to perform an unlock. It's still very hard for sure and we will need some really skilled people like Hash code to throw in their mind , but maybe it's worth a try.
And Semseddin, never mind, let's just forget that last conversation
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Ok dtrail1, lets forget about last conversation and be in peace.
I thought bounty money could be interesting for some people to take the job seriously and work on to deliver a bootloader unlock solution. However i would appriciate a free solution as well, i would still donate to that hero
Semseddin said:
Ok dtrail1, lets forget about last conversation and be in peace.
I thought bounty money could be interesting for some people to take the job seriously and work on to deliver a bootloader unlock solution. However i would appriciate a free solution as well, i would still donate to that hero
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Have you called VZW/moto in reference to this topic? I am positive you will get a legit response... You will know if such is possible as well as any concerns involving said "efuse" May or may not be a possibility on certain xt912/10. Although lately seems the impossible has became possible...
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1droidmod said:
Have you called VZW/moto in reference to this topic? I am positive you will get a legit response... You will know if such is possible as well as any concerns involving said "efuse" May or may not be a possibility on certain xt912/10. Although lately seems the impossible has became possible...
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Well, there is still that efuse problem. But Motorola might be able to unlock it by RSA keys. But I don't believe in them...
I was taking to some others, and the most related solution could be a custom bootloader being loaded from sdcard. But therefor we need a way to bypass the signature check - as I know. But this is also the point where my knowledge stops and people like Hashcode (he told us privately) didn't have a further look at this. They spent about two years (and they are still spending time) for kexec. Maybe because they don't see another solution. But I don't know it exactly, That's why I invited him into this conversion, hope he will join soon (will ask him in hangout when he's online).
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@dtrail1- Lol, Verizion claims to have ZERO knowledge of subject and MOTO says to call your Carrier for unlock options!! Seems to me one or both are not being honest.. As VZW claims to not encourage this type of thing, he said best bet is to do web search.. And we know how that goes.. I am happy with safestrap and I know others are with bmm. I feel I have no need for this but... This is one of those things that is starting to bug me.. Only reason why I am even involved.. By the way, 4.3 Kernel kikn azzz.. Thanks again.
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I know you all will notice i don't post much if at all so my reliability on the matter will be in question but I just got done chatting with maureen from motorola and asked some questions about the future of the xt912. I asked whether we will see another upgrade (4.2 most likely but I asked about 4.3) and she said they are planning on upgrading the os for the razr but they are still on-going. I also mentioned the previous motorola stance on unlocked bootloaders on older phones and asked if they would be releasing info on that for the razr as well and she said it's also in the plans as well. I printed the chat but am having a hard time scanning as I'm at work. i will try to attach it as soon as possible but this info came straight from moto live assistance. the only other problem would be a timetable on this stuff.
@rhouse 1983 Cool, thanks... You got more out of them than I did.. :thumbup:
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rhouse1983 said:
I know you all will notice i don't post much if at all so my reliability on the matter will be in question but I just got done chatting with maureen from motorola and asked some questions about the future of the xt912. I asked whether we will see another upgrade (4.2 most likely but I asked about 4.3) and she said they are planning on upgrading the os for the razr but they are still on-going. I also mentioned the previous motorola stance on unlocked bootloaders on older phones and asked if they would be releasing info on that for the razr as well and she said it's also in the plans as well. I printed the chat but am having a hard time scanning as I'm at work. i will try to attach it as soon as possible but this info came straight from moto live assistance. the only other problem would be a timetable on this stuff.
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Are you sure they weren't talking about the HD versions? I have talked to them before and they weren't very straight forward I hope it truly is the xt912!! Please post the chat as soon as you can
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Are you sure they weren't talking about the HD versions? I have talked to them before and they weren't very straight forward I hope it truly is the xt912!! Please post the chat as soon as you can
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Yeah I'm sure because I said xt912 more than I said RAZR. I can't post chat til tomorrow morning but i printed it and will post a picture of it when I get to work. I've been rooting and romming for about 5 years but I've always preferred to be a bystander until now and I took the time to make sure I was saying which version of RAZR and upgrading its is from 4.1.2 to 4.2 and unlocking bootloader. Hopefully the lady wasn't just trying to get rid of me but I felt she was trying to help. I might try again with a different chat person tomorrow to confirm.
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chat with moto/4.2/unlocked bootloader
here's a photo of the printed version of the chat. i did print it prematurely but there wasn't much else said beyond my question for documentation which of course they were unable to provide. sorry if it's difficult to read. you can just open photo and zoom as i'm sure you all already know cuz you're tech smart so i don't know why i said that lol
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here's a photo of the printed version of the chat. i did print it prematurely but there wasn't much else said beyond my question for documentation which of course they were unable to provide. sorry if it's difficult to read. you can just open photo and zoom as i'm sure you all already know cuz you're tech smart so i don't know why i said that lol
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Thanks for that information!back in the days,before the official 4.1.2 update rolled out,i asked motorola support from Europe about unlocking our bootloaders,but didnt recieve an answer,only that they got my question and will have a look....so í´m really excited now :good:
Wow, that's awesome! I hope they follow through with it!
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whoa, really looking forward, would be nice to experience some effort from moto side...
Not to be the downer here, but I would take that information with a grain of salt. Motorola has no reason to help such an old phone at this point. Why bother upgrading it and preventing people from buying the latest and greatest model? Think of it from moto's side...
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gtmaster303 said:
Not to be the downer here, but I would take that information with a grain of salt. Motorola has no reason to help such an old phone at this point. Why bother upgrading it and preventing people from buying the latest and greatest model? Think of it from moto's side...
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I have already!! How else are they going to give themselves 16million$ bonuses. By f*n the little guy of course:banghead:
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hit ThAnKs if I was helpful!!!
gtmaster303 said:
Not to be the downer here, but I would take that information with a grain of salt. Motorola has no reason to help such an old phone at this point. Why bother upgrading it and preventing people from buying the latest and greatest model? Think of it from moto's side...
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I don't believe they will do it, too much wing promises in the past. And their Hotline doesn't know about Motorolas plans - you can see that they whether always stop answering when it comes to specific topics or they tell you anything which turns out wrong later - this happened already a lot of times.
The only thing why they *could* unlock the bootloader: they did it for other old phones, like the Xoom, as soon as the vendors stop promoting it in example. But maybe or device will never be on that list because Moto cannot unlock it's own security lock (efuse)... We cannot know.
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Some interesting read,
[WIP] Disected Moto Files An inside look at the official motorola files by zeklandia.
Bionic bootloader unlocking discussion
Danth's approach is simply how to trick HS high security locked device to flash the mbmloader_ns.img which belongs to NS non secure unlocked device. I think he was right but unfortunately he couldn't come up with a solution for his time and efforts like others who tried. I find that whole thread interesting and informative.
Note: If you are using an HS (High Security) OMAP device, an extra step is required. First, build x-load.bin using the steps above. Then, download the MShield signing tool and use the commands below. Contact your TI representative to get access to this tool.
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source http://omappedia.org/wiki/Bootloader_Project
What do you think would happen if i try to flash mbmloader_ns.img to my locked device using the following fastboot commands ? I would definitly have done it if it had warranty, sadly when it's dead,i have no smartphone. lol
fastboot flash mbm allow-mbmloader-flashing-mbm.bin
fastboot flash mbmloader mbmloader_ns.bin
fastboot flash mbm mbm.bin
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Reposted with permission:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1419815
OPERATION: Make Our Selves Heard (#OPMOSH)
DISCLAIMER:
We here, in the movement of #OPMOSH do not consider this spam, we do not consider this slandering Moto, we simply use this as a method of having our concerns heard. Motorola Mobility Inc. has been a powerful company that has been around for a very long time, and one we hope to see long in the future as well, before and after the Google buyout.
About this movement:
Motorola Mobility Inc. has become famous for its lies, slanderous ways, and tendency to flat out prove time and time again that it cares not for its customers after they walk out of that store with their Motorola-branded device. Since the early days of Android, post Droid 1, we have sat down and took our locked bootloaders like a man. There came to be a boiling point - and a full-out war was launched on their social media sites. Sound familiar? The same thing that worked with HTC and now with Asus. We received a generic "second half of 2011" timing. Guess what! It's now Q1 2012, and not only have they missed their deadline, but they have IGNORED all bootloader-related questions, given NO official announcement of their plans still being in motion, and thus must have forgotten that we are a core, dedicated community that wishes nothing more than to enjoy the phones we were given. Let's make ourselves heard yet again, turn the heat up, and make Moto (like HTC) get off of their asses and DO SOMETHING. Everyone counts!
Moto's Facebook - Moto's Twitter - Petition - FCC Complaints (Against Verizon)
So....What can I do?
FIRST OFF, SIGN THE PETITION:
This is included in the email, so it is crucial that it continues to grow in number.
Then....
TRY CALLING VERIZON'S EXECUTIVES.
Make sure before calling that you are very informed about the issue and confident in your position, yet can be quite calm. Do not show any disrespect towards Marie H or the person you call. They are merely the (wo)man-in-the-middle, and you simply need to explain to them your position and back it up with facts. Also, do note that all times are EST.
Call Marie H. at (412) 266-7756 on Monday - Fridays, 8 am to 5 pm. OR Michelle at (803) 231-1787 on Monday - Fridays, 7 am to 4 pm. OR Call Verizon customer service at *611 or (800) 922-0204 and get to a rep by mashing 0.
This is something you cannot copy-paste, unfortunately. Here are some guidelines that should help you be successful in your endeavor:
- First off, if you get the voicemail, leave your name, number, and a time you can be contacted in case they wish to follow-up call.
- Mention that many are filing FCC complaints because this violates Block C guidelines. (Do research in case this is brought into question)
- Mention that HTC, Motorola, and Samsung have bootloader-unlockable devices on the network right now; (HTC has their 2011 devices, Moto has the Xoom, and Samsung the Galaxy Nexus)
- Mention that the bootloader being locked does not allow the device to do anything that a laptop that is using a 4G hotspot cannot do even faster/more efficiently, including hogging network resources.
- Mention that the bootloaders being FORCE locked (as in, not unlockable) does not offer protection from any present viruses or attacks of Android devices.
- Mention also that unlocking the bootloaders could very well use a system like HTC uses - which stores the IMEI of the device and voids its software warranty indefinitely, making Verizon's warranty services not liable for what a user installs on their device.
- Close your talk/voicemail by stating the number of signatures on the petition, currently well over 2,500, and saying that this is a widespread concern of many users, that wish Android to be truly open.
- Say thank you before you hang up, it'll really give off a good impression.
TRY AN FCC COMPLAINT:
http://esupport.fcc.gov/complaints.htm
Select Wireless Telephone > Billing, Service, Privacy, Number Portability and other issues > Online Form. Fill out your information, scroll down, fill out 1 and 2, skip 3 and 4. Then in 5:
- Tell the FCC that your phone’s bootloader was sold to you locked, preventing the regulatory requirement of BLOCK C Devices (MAKE SURE TO MENTION BLOCK C!!!) that "Consumers should be able to download and utilize any software applications, content, or services they desire" - make sure to cite that.
- Also helpful would be dispelling the "Reasonable network management" exclusion. Tell the FCC that Verizon allows tethering of unauthorized devices to 4G LTE services through their mobile hotspots and their paid phone tethering functionality as-is, ones that are more bandwidth-hungry and also permit installing custom operating systems, and have a potential of doing significantly more damage, such as laptops.
If you don't want to write yours up manually, we will have a pre-made step 5 that you can just copy paste soon, hopefully.
TRY EMAILING:
TO: [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]rola.com, [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected], [email protected]
To Whom It May Concern,
The independent communities that you catered to with your announcement earlier last year are very very excited for your bootloader unlock solution. However, the "second half" of 2011 has come and gone quietly; why is it that the public has received no notice that the bootloader unlock solution is still in works? A small-scale petition has made its rounds about the Android community, and has already gained over 2,500 signatures just under 55 hours after being made public: http://www.change.org/petitions/motorola-mobility-inc-unlock-all-smartphone-bootloaders-2
Clearly, the demand is indeed still quite strong (as can be seen on your social media networks, Facebook and Twitter), and it would be quite reassuring to the communities that not only pay for your devices every upgrade opportunity, but also help develop the Android operating system that you are using on the aforementioned devices, to have an announcement that the bootloader unlock/relock solution is still on track for a timely release. This would also potentially double as reassurance to on-the-fence Galaxy Nexus/HTC smartphone buyers to go with the Motorola Droid RAZR, with its KEVLAR backing, Verizon 4G LTE speed, powerful 1.2 GHz dual core processor, and new bootloader unlock/relock solution instead. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to your response.
Sincerely,
A Motorola Mobility Enthusiast.
TRY TWEETING:
@Motorola - How about those unlocked bootloaders you promised second half of 2011? @HTC cares, do you? http://moto.ly/icsboot
TRY POSTING ON THEIR FACEBOOK WALL:
@Motorola - I'm a faithful Motorola customer, and I'm starting to have second thoughts. Honor what Android stands for, openness, and give us the bootloader unlock tool that you promised "second-half of 2011". http://moto.ly/icsboot #OPMOSH
MAKE SURE TO SIGN THE PETITION!!
It is the backbone of this movement. We need as many signatures as possible.
We NEED to be heard to get anywhere. Spread the word to your Facebook friends, your Twitter friends, your Google Talk friends, your favorite Android news site... Spread the word! Bring freedom to the Android ecosystem, like Andy Rubin and Rich Miner intended.
Thank you SO much for your support. This community is amazing and I know our endeavors will be successful. See you on Moto's Facebook!
In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
Make sure you start a similar one with verizon because i am pretty sure motorola is going to play the blame game as soon as this gains momentum based on the line from the blog post
"where operator and channel partners will allow it. "
I'd like to think this will work if we get it out there enough. It's the customers vs. the company, I can't think of anybody who would want it stay locked except for those people who are like "oh but then it'll just be easier for people to screw up."
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In an effort to get better coverage, I would suggest crossposting to as many Android forums outside XDA as possible. Most definitely, send it to Android Police. It could be worth a shot. While I understand different folks have preferences as to what forums they frequent, getting the word out is paramount.
Just my $0.02 US
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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This is a good idea. I like the idea of mass emailing them.
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I'll be doing my part as well. Thanks for starting this thread.
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couldnt he also post it to many of the xda motorola forums? except those that are already unlocked of course
id send it to droid-life as well
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I'd even post on the unlocked ones. Many people would help the cause. They could write how much they benefit from their phone with an unlocked bootloader. I even bet a significant number of the larger Android community would assist because we all have the same end game in mind.
This thread is great. I was just thinking yesterday of collecting the various resources to petition Motorola. You made everything very clear and we thank you. SPREAD THE WORD!! and, most importantly, ACT ON IT PEOPLE!!
Now we need a script to auto-tweet, auto-email, and auto-flame Motorola AND Verizon.
I'll help out with this cause any way that I can. I just posted on Moto's Facebook Page.
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i just sent out an email to the addresses that were listed by the OP, lets see how long they can ignore the emails from the customers and ignore the petition. I hope they don't send back a generic email that states that they're "working" on it. If the dx2 is a "closet" device then maybe we can gain at least the key to unlock and we'd be gaining our pudding.
Being a recent HTC convert and former X2 owner, I can say that this could really work. We got our Rezound unlocked. This needs to get out there. You'd be surprised how powerful this can be if enough people here on XDA start making noise. Thanks, OP, for posting this. Good luck!
Can we organize a time to CALL motorola? I think clogging up their phone lines for a couple of hours may be more effective than jamming their inboxes with easily deleted emails. If we could get even 100 people to just call at the same time, we could be HIGHLY effective.
We could all also call the phone number listed in post number 96 of the similar thread in the RAZR forum. I think that if we politely annoy enough people things can get better.
'Bout to hit 1000..
Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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Guys thus could work.we doubled our sigs in less then twelve hours at this rate we'd have 5000 by Saturday. Remember to send them emails and to remind other moto forums!! I have a feeling that they just might listen if we bagger them enough.
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I signed the petition.
I posted in the Motorola X2 forums that HTC has already unlocked their bootloaders within the United States, and that the X2 will be my last Motorola phone if they do not go through with their statement they released to unlock the bootloaders.
I sent an email (not nasty, but to-the-point) in the same vein as my post in their forums.
Remember, people. Do NOT be nasty about it: no name calling, no cursing, etc. Just state that you feel they should unlock the bootloader, especially since HTC has done it. I went as far as to suggest they contact HTC to see how they got Verizon and AT&T to allow this. Then, state that you won't be purchasing any more Motorola phones if they do not move forward with this. I was being kinder and stated that we, as customers, deserve an answer from them one way or another (whether they will unlock the phones or not). If they choose not to unlock the phones nor give an answer, the X2 was going to be my last Motorola phone.
It wasn't nasty, it was to the point and it was with tact. That's what we need, not a lot of flaming, etc. That won't get you anywhere and they'll just ignore it and treat it as if it were from some child or teenager, which is what I would do with it as well.
BTW, just read this excellent article on Droid Life. Pretty damning against Motorola if you ask me!
http://www.droid-life.com/2012/01/0...eed&utm_campaign=Feed:+DroidLife+(droid+life)
I went ahead and updated my post in the Moto forums to include this article link as well.
BTW, this has to be the 3rd or 4th "article" I've seen today about this. I think it's picking up steam. Now, whether Moto decides to listen and take action is another thing.
Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
Signed petition.hope were heard.
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Exactly we must be to the point but not to forward it could be offensive plus that could hurt the cause And we still need a little more signer so tell your friends mom etc
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I went and called Mrs. Ellen and Mrs. Houtz. They both want to help and are ready to join our cause. Let's make moves people.
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Posted it on a google discussion in another forum. Can we get a list of forums this has been posted on?
I believe that we should have this posted on every phones forum because it's not just for us that it will benefit but it would benefit everyone and for me I wouldn't have to wait on a phone to see if it's dev friendly or just another red headed step child.
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I'm new to the forums, but I've been keeping an eye on the X2 bootloader issue for a while and haven't seen this suggestion come up yet, so I thought I'd give it a try. Is there a way we could use distributive processing to crack the bootloader? It would take years for a single computer to crack it, but if we got a few hundred or thousand people to download a program that worked at it, would it be possible to unlock it that way?
I'm not the best with this kind of stuff so I don't have a clue if this would actually work, but if it would, it might be a good way to solve our problems.
Does anyone know if this is possible? Has anyone attempted to write a program like this before?
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I'm new to the forums, but I've been keeping an eye on the X2 bootloader issue for a while and haven't seen this suggestion come up yet, so I thought I'd give it a try. Is there a way we could use distributive processing to crack the bootloader? It would take years for a single computer to crack it, but if we got a few hundred or thousand people to download a program that worked at it, would it be possible to unlock it that way?
I'm not the best with this kind of stuff so I don't have a clue if this would actually work, but if it would, it might be a good way to solve our problems.
Does anyone know if this is possible? Has anyone attempted to write a program like this before?
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although it may be possible it would still take awhile to not only run the program but to also write the program. plus all of the computers would have to be linked somehow so that they worked on seperate parts/ not work on finished part. it can be a PLAUSIBLE idea though if moto is gunna be douches for a while to come -___-
I posted this same question not long ago in a similar this forum. Look for the one that says "bootloader question not an unlock."
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The only way this is going to have an ounce of a chance of happening is, we need to keep hounding both Motorola and Verizon.
Bombard their support with calls/emails, demanding to unlock the bootloader and release an ICS upgrade for the X2.
I've emailed Motorola support at least 20 times now, constantly explaining my position. The next step is to call them as well.
Please remember, BE CIVIL! Do not get belligerent, nasty and avoid cursing. Keep the email/call tactful because being immature about it won't help you. Explain your position and why you feel that what they are doing is not right and that as a consumer, you demand support for a phone that is not even a year old, but appears to have been all but abandoned by the company.
No developer is throwing us a bone. At least, I'm not holding out hope on that one.
Oh, and by "developer" I mean those at Motorola. The devs releasing ROMs are throwing us more than a bone and they are a godsend compared to what Motorola and Verizon are doing.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=22224030&postcount=4
Sadly it isn't so easy. Believe me, were it so easy, there would be a lot more unlocked bootloaders. Not a bad idea, but in practice, its just not practical.
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iBolski said:
The only way this is going to have an ounce of a chance of happening is, we need to keep hounding both Motorola and Verizon.
Bombard their support with calls/emails, demanding to unlock the bootloader and release and ICS upgrade for the X2.
I've emailed Motorola support at least 20 times now, constantly explaining my position. The next step is to call them as well.
Please remember, BE CIVIL! Do not get belligerent, nasty and avoid cursing. Keep the email/call tactful because being immature about it won't help you. Explain your position and why you feel that what they are doing is not right and that as a consumer, you demand support for a phone that is not even a year old, but appears to have been all but abandoned by the company.
No developer is throwing us a bone. At least, I'm not holding out hope on that one.
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At this point, this may realistically be our only option. I'm game.
If you didnt already know, the Atrix's ICS update has changed its status from Q3 to "Further plans coming soon". Take that however you please. But one thing is almost certain; if Atrix doesn't get the update, neither will we. With that said, I feel its time to make ourselves heard to an individual within Moto that has some actual pull on what might happen regarding the ICS update; enter Punit Soni, Product Manager VP at Moto Mobility. If you would like to say something to him, go for it. But remember, the goal is to get the point across that the Photon and Atrix are two amazing and still widely used phones who have dedicated communities behind them who would like to see new life brought to the 2011 flagships that started the multicore revolution. So don't be a douche..
Atrix XDA Thread
Punit Soni's Google+
::UPDATE::
Sony has promised that the Droid Bionic will be getting their ICS update soon in response to Bionic owner discontent. Obviously this guy is serious about customer satisfaction. He could seriously be our way to get heard. Everyone should contribute! Soni, on the Droid Bionic situation
Remember, be polite to him. He just joined Moto not long ago.. And try not to spam too
Sent from my #Motofail... Further Plans coming soon...
Go do it guys and don't forget to be polite. He is actually reading all the comments, mine got a "+1" from him.
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I posted the following comment on Mr. Soni's post about "Motorola aiming to upgrade all possible devices to Jelly Bean, promises to give you $100 credit if it can't"
Mr Soni,
First let me apologize about posting on your G+.
Software updates on many devices being changed to a vague status reads as "No" in the minds of many consumers and Motorola device owners. There are already a number of Motorola device owners that are in the process of replacing their devices. The damage may already be done. In the future simple "Yes we are working on it" or "No updates planned" would be of great benefit to both Motorola and device owners as many customers have already dealt with such vague statements from a number of manufacturers with generally unpleasant results.
Regarding Webtop and it's replacement, Webtop3.0. I release a modified version of the original Webtop that covers over 90% of things the average PC user does on their computer. It has met with some success and has been seen as what Webtop should have been. Webtop3.0 removes most of these key features and abilities and leaves many with no upgrade path beyond Gingerbread, myself included. There is also no alternative device to move to either. I would have gladly given the work to Motorola only asking for partial credit in return. I have attempted to contact Motorola a number of times and received the "Not my department" run around. In order to save space I will not go into the tech aspects and issues but link you to a blog post comparing Webtop, my custom Webtop and Webtop3.0. http://martian-imperium.blogspot.com/
I appreciate that you are reading a number of posts made by Motorola owners. This is far more than we have ever received from Motorola in the past and I hope others at Motorola follow your example.
Thank you
It seems like this is a great step in the right direction for Motorola. I cant wait to see the improvements they will make
The way I see it, is a 100 dollars is just not enough. If they had no intentions on upgrading the phone to begin with? why what put under development? Many of us (including myself) feel that Motorola does not care to have us as customer who buys their products. The least I feel they should do is to unlock the boot-loader ( so developers can do their magnificent work) also provide a logical explanation (come clean) sometimes works.
Just adding my two cents (very frustrated)
I appreciate he is keeping his G+ opened so we can provide him feedback, at least it seems like he is interested in fixing this situation.
Reading some of his answers, I think he is gonna take care of the Bionic first, then the Atrix. No words about the Photon though...
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I created this http://www.change.org/petitions/htc...unlock-the-droid-incredible-4g-lte-bootloader. to petition the unlock of the bootloader. We can't just sign a petition an pray for it to happen. We must get on their Facebook, twitter an any social media site they have pressuring them into this. Don't go post "hey assholes unlock our device", that won't help, just makes you look stupid! Post on their something like "I've been with you since 2005,long time customer, but you locking my device down in unacceptable! If this isn't fixed shortly I will leave for another company!" stuff like that over an over will get their attention. At the same time spread the word of the site an the unfairness of both the companies.
It's time to rise up an show them, without us, they are nothing!
Some extra info http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=32332265#post32332265
a few other notes:
if anyone has some suggestion,like change this or other stuff. bring it up here,so we can all discuss it. this is a community.even though the petition has my name on it,its all for you guys. so if their isnt something in it you dont like,well didnt i say bring it up?? lets all work together on this.
If anyone has heard back from either company, please share it here with everyone.
I might delete some comments in the future, just to showcase responses back from people or other stuff. It's not personal .
10/1/2012:
Thanks to mdmower,I added his revised version for the petition. I'll admit his looks better then mine.
mdmower said:
Include the HTC Incredible 4G LTE in HTCdev's unlockable bootloader program
Upon release of the HTC Incredible 4G LTE, HTCdev included the phone in its unlockable bootloader program. Within a matter [of] days, the phone was removed from the program, presumably at the request of Verizon Wireless. There is no clear reason as to why this phone was removed from the program, as users of the bootloader unlock suffered no ill effects.
This petition is being put forth to both HTCdev and Verizon Wireless to request that the HTC [Droid] Incredible 4G LTE be reinstated into the unlockable bootloader program. Support of open development drives innovation and sales. HTC's software developers can learn from the developer community while Verizon Wireless can benefit from end-users upgrading/renewing their plans to take advantage of this new phone. Furthermore, this simple act would incline users to recommend both HTC products and Verizon Wireless service in the future.
Inclusion of the HTC Incredible 4G LTE into HTCdev's unlockable bootloader program is in the best interest of HTC, Verizon Wireless, and end-users. Please take action on this matter as soon as possible.
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That is well put. I would gladly sign that petition.
IceDragon59 said:
That is well put. I would gladly sign that petition.
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Agreed. This is similar to the letter I wrote to the regional prez for VZW covering South Carolina. Granted mine was 3 pages long and covered individual issues I've had with VZW. Of course I never got a reply.
Signed. Recived another letter from Verizon that was the exact one I recived before.
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Signed
Op updating
The several posts that were deleted were on-topic and showed contribution from the community to writing/revising this petition, I don't see why they were removed. This also eliminated the possibility of thanking users for various contributions. I'm new to posting on XDA, and now I'm missing out on any opportunity to add to my thanks meter.
The OP's petition still retains the old petition letter below the description. I initially thought these would be non-editable so I created a separate petition (really, I'm surprised that a petition author can change the letter AFTER signatures have been added, but change.org seems to allow this). I now see that the OP can in fact edit all aspects of the petition (except maybe the url), and so users should sign that when it is completely updated.
signed.
but should it say "HTC and Verizon" not "an" ?
Guys please read the op over again. I currently stated that some posts would be deleted, it's in order to show who signed an has heard back from either company.
I will be adding to the op who has helped an stuff, just please bare with me on this. I have a lot going on with xda.
Here is what i Got from VZW. I talked to Scott today and he offered me a different device saying that the letter states VZW's stance on the bootloader being unlocked. He actually started the offer with a Galaxy S3 and I said Rezound if I was going to do that. It was for a certified used device with cover and battery. He said my plan and everything would stay the same. He gave me until Friday for the offer.
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Here is what i Got from VZW. I talked to Scott today and he offered me a different device saying that the letter states VZW's stance on the bootloader being unlocked.
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BULLCRAP!!!
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aldo101t said:
bullcrap!!!
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sounds to me like we'll never get unlock. If this holds true
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Here is what i Got from VZW. I talked to Scott today and he offered me a different device saying that the letter states VZW's stance on the bootloader being unlocked. He actually started the offer with a Galaxy S3 and I said Rezound if I was going to do that. He gave me until Friday for the offer.
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Did they offer you the S3 at upgrade price? Without losing unlimited data? In the letter I wrote to the regional prez for the Carolinas, I told them I'd be willing to pay for a new phone at upgrade price if I didn't lose my unlimited data, but haven't heard anything back.
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Did they offer you the S3 at upgrade price? Without losing unlimited data? In the letter I wrote to the regional prez for the Carolinas, I told them I'd be willing to pay for a new phone at upgrade price if I didn't lose my unlimited data, but haven't heard anything back.
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He said it everything would stay the same. No cost was explained.
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I deleted all the stuff, in trying to keep updated from users in the thread. I will be adding to the op on xda, who helped an stuff.
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I just want to make sure that you realize the petition isn't completely updated. Please take no offense, I just want people to have a petition they are comfortable signing (myself included),
1) Other users have mentioned the use of "an" in place of "and"; these are two very different words. I hope you'll reconsider this habit in the future.
2) The letter just beneath the description of the petition still contains the old petition's text: "HTC an Verizon are abusing their abilities...". I'm very uncomfortable signing the petition with this letter still in place.
3) The paragraph breaks are missing from the letter. The breaks help emphasize different points and are appropriate.
4) When introducing HTCdev, it would be best to first list the name, then follow with the web address. In the first paragraph, replace "http://www.htcdev.com" with "HTCdev (htcdev.com)".
Please realize that we are trying to petition some very large corporations. Professionalism is a must if we expect to be taken seriously. Attacks on their name or reputation are only going to guarantee non-response. Poor grammar and structure will also leave our petition ignored. HTC and Verizon Wireless will have a more difficult time combating reason and intellect, and for this I think the community should strive.
I copied everything you posted in the pm. I'm not obligated to do this for y'all, I'm trying to help out. This will be updated when I have the time. If you want to start your own be my guest. Don't get mad or something with me, when I'm busy doing stuff around xda an in my life.
Honestly you should be glad, that I'm doing this for you guys. I don't mind a little nudge here or there to fix stuff. Just don't badger me over stuff.
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I copied everything you posted in the pm. I'm not obligated to do this for y'all, I'm trying to help out. This will be updated when I have the time. If you want to start your own be my guest. Don't get mad or something with me, when I'm busy doing stuff around xda an in my life.
Honestly you should be glad, that I'm doing this for you guys. I don't mind a little nudge here or there to fix stuff. Just don't badger me over stuff.
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fixed.
Been there done that all bull****
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The Archangel said:
I copied everything you posted in the pm. I'm not obligated to do this for y'all, I'm trying to help out. This will be updated when I have the time. If you want to start your own be my guest. Don't get mad or something with me, when I'm busy doing stuff around xda an in my life.
Honestly you should be glad, that I'm doing this for you guys. I don't mind a little nudge here or there to fix stuff. Just don't badger me over stuff.
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did someone in our community ask you to make the petition?
If not.. you did this on your on time and doing.
so we would like to be taken seriously, no on is putting you down, I've had issues with mdmower, but I have to agree with the polite way he approached you about the petition, but I found your response a bit childish in the manner you had let us know that you aren't doing this because you have to but rather YOU chose to.
Don't get me wrong, I appreciate you and what you're doing.
but I don't NEED to be glad about anything that you are doing, so for you to say "Honestly you should be glad, that I'm doing this for you guys." is completely childish IMO and I don't agree with it one bit.
If you don't want to be bothered over "stuff" then why are you the OP?
I'm confused.
If it possible please ignore my actions last night. I was stressed out over my job interview I had this morning.
I'm sorry for the way I acted.
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If it possible please ignore my actions last night. I was stressed out over my job interview I had this morning.
I'm sorry for the way I acted.
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It's all good, no worries.
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Any other changes need to be made?
I see in the forum that a root solution had been achieved but the root bounty is still unclaimed because the devs think their solution is too difficult. I do not know enough about this to understand the obstacles. Can anyone give an educated guess as to if or when an easy root solution might arise? I personally like to run a stock/rooted ROM.
My answer = tomorrow
When tomorrow comes, answer = tomorrow
Why do people keep asking for etas? It'll come out when it comes out.... Wait patiently
If you want a rootable phone, get a nexus (or the HTC unlocked bootloader phone)
Root will be released when it's released. Not trying to sound like a douche, but that is honestly the best and only answer that can be given.
The thing about root is this...
-Just because it's been achieved, does not mean it will be shared. There is a lot of time and effort that is put into this type of thing. Not to mention the shear amount of risk that is involved as well. A developer may end up going through several devices while trying to gain root access. This can be VERY costly.
-Then there are the annoyances as well... People consistently asking when it will happen or when it will be released. It's not that these people are intentionally being annoying or trying to be... But when you are one of a few who have accomplished something and then have hundreds if not thousands of people asking for it. It's like having that last slice of pizza, no more is coming, ever, and the entire party is asking you to share it. That one slice isn't gonna feed everyone. (Bad analogy, but whatever)
-The bounty hasn't been claimed for 1 main reason that was mentioned... It's not as dummy proof as it can be. (This of course was ad-libed a bit) ... If I had to speculate, I would guess on 2 other reasons as well... 1, the bounty doesn't meet the cost put in. 2, the flood of private messages to the developers just isn't worth it yet. Again, those last 2 are my own speculation.
I'm sorry for the long post, but it was to offer a bit of insight to others that may stop in here as well.
TL;DR - The devs will release it when they are ready...If they are ever ready. This phone is still BRAND NEW, so let them work out some of the kinks in the process to ensure they don't brick hundreds or thousands of devices... It only take on line of bad code to ruin the whole thing. Be patient.
Hi TAG- I am in no hurry and do not mind waiting. Just want to know that it will be done eventually! Thanks.
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Nah. It won't arrive, buy the HTC 10.
nobnut said:
Nah. It won't arrive, buy the HTC 10.
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This is the G5 forums. Please refrain from promoting other devices in these threads. Also please refrain from giving an answer you do not know to be true.
paperWastage said:
My answer = tomorrow
When tomorrow comes, answer = tomorrow
Why do people keep asking for etas? It'll come out when it comes out.... Wait patiently
If you want a rootable phone, get a nexus (or the HTC unlocked bootloader phone)
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I did not ask for an ETA. Initially people were saying there might not be root because of ocked boot loader. Now we kinda have root. As I said I don't know the technicalities of what Id holding it back and therefore do not know how big an problem it is. Just trying to get a handle on the feasibility of it. I have another week to return the phone. Seems like a lot of folks in as a these days just live to criticize and insult. The threads are full of it. Even if you had to object to my post you could have been kinder about it. The purpose of this community is for us to help each other.
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I did not ask for an ETA. Initially people were saying there might not be root because I'd locked boot loader. Now we kinda have root. Add I said I don't know the technicalities of what I'd holding it back and therefore do not know how big an problem it is. Just trying to get a handle on it. Send like a lot of folks in as a these days just live to criticize and insult. The threads are full of it. Even if you had to object to my post you could have been kinder about it. The purpose of this community is for us to help each other.
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H850 (UK) is getting BL unlock by the end of April.
That name for the thread and thread itself is prob in top 5 most useless threads created, my dear friend.
marcmarshall said:
I did not ask for an ETA. Initially people were saying there might not be root because I'd locked boot loader. Now we kinda have root. Add I said I don't know the technicalities of what I'd holding it back and therefore do not know how big an problem it is. Just trying to get a handle on it.
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people who know how close we are..... are the people who are working on it
which means you are asking for an ETA
Send like a lot of folks in as a these days just live to criticize and insult. The threads are full of it. Even if you had to object to my post you could have been kinder about it. The purpose of this community is for us to help each other.
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how is my post rude?
as other people have pointed out, these threads are useless...
First I apologize for the errors. I use Swype and auto complete is my worst enema. If you do not understand why I felt insulted you are not thinking very much.