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I need to find a very good DEV who is available to work on a fairly large project.
I am a disabled yet still serving soldier, who has a need for a specific app. This app will help millions of people and I DO plan to market it to both VETS and
NON Vet disabled persons (as well as anyone else who wants it!) Vets will of course have either a free or reduced price option.
You will be required to know every aspect of a project DEV to include the GUI, images, background, visual aid, the Database, it has to "share" and export to several mediums including googleCal and Excel graphs. It may be built with a module style or have a lot of options that can be turned on or off. Some will be protected so it can't be turned off unless a password is entered depending upon the level of disability and functions needed per person.
I will expect a non-disclosure agreement. I have done the paperwork to protect my idea.
I will expect timely completion of phases as well as bug fixes. All of which I am very realistic about. We just need to be in daily or even hourly communication if needed.
This is a long term project that can lead to a permanent type of side job for all the ongoing updates/changes.
I need to get this moving while I am still able to keep track of what I actually need it to do. Your development skills will be instrumental in getting this up and running. You will have full liberty to do the app as you see fit as long as it meets the needs and has the ability to do each task I need. I really don't care how it is done as long as the outcome is correct. I have certain tasks that must be included, you are more than welcome to add your ideas as well.
Payment is of course Negotiable as either upfront or a portion of future income from sales, or possibly both. This will be agreed upon in writing for everyones safety, but this will really be more of a friendly work together type of environment.
Please msg me or reply here for more details.
(Mods, if this is is the wrong category, I apologize. Just move me and I will learn my lesson!)
Must have placed this in the wrong area! I can't seem find a good developer in the entire world that wants to take on a very lucrative (possibly like all good ideas are) project??
Wow Ok anyone know where I should look or post my "Programmer wanted" ad?
You would probably be better posting it in the developer forums rather than Q & A.
Good luck with your project!
All the best,
Ash
I'll try to cut things short and get to the point.
Google has recently announced that it is going to change its privacy policy . The new privacy policy allows Google to enhance its products by collecting data. Data that is being collected. That data is transferred via Google products (Youtube, Gmail, Google Maps, etc.). For Google to be able to collect your data, you have to be logged in into one of its products and data collecting starts.
By signing off form its products, is transfer being disabled? If you use Google search engine, is data being collected via cookies and is it the same just as if you are signed in into some Google product? That way, by monitoring IP activity it can effectively collect data just as if you were signed in into Google prods.
It looks to me that no matter what, signed in or not, Google will get those data!
Can Google collect data from my Android phone even if I am not signed in into any Google product, but simply because I am using Android?
How is it possible that no one takes interest in this matter? This sounds serious to me and it does needs some attention, at least to be informed properly. Big corporation Google is taking away privacy, by building a behaving system for each Internet user.
How come this topic, not mine but in general, is being dropped down from everyone's sight?
mendoza1 said:
How is it possible that no one takes interest in this matter? This sounds serious to me and it does needs some attention, at least to be informed properly. Big corporation Google is taking away privacy, by building a behaving system for each Internet user.
How come this topic, not mine but in general, is being dropped down from everyone's sight?
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Because its been discussed in a few threads.
And possibly because google are simply collecting all they know about you in one place.
Dave
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As long as you are using a google product, they will most surtainly be collecting data from you.
It won't matter if you are logged in or not.
It's a sad reality, but if you want privacy, don't use google products. Or facebook for that matter.
Personally i would love a OS that has privacy in mind. But i fear such a thing is close to impossible these days.
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People made a huge stink over Carrier IQ but when its Google its not a big deal. collection of personal information sucks-period. What makes anyone think that almighty Google cant be hacked by some sort of group like Anonymous? Although I see no reason at the moment for them to do it, I dont want to say its not possible. Really Google needs to be limited on what they have access too just like anybody. I love the Android platform and many of Googles products, but I am willing to pay a little to keep my information safe. Remember if you are not paying for it, you are not the customer, you are the product being sold.
If the name "Android" were changed to something more accurate & device-specific, people could make more informed decisions
I suggest ADroid
like Ad + Roids = ADroids
The Discussion here is thought provoking
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Maybe Ad-Droid would be better
ADDROID
or ADD-Droid
or AdsDroid
or maybe even... "spamdroid"
ooh i like that one
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http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
matgras said:
http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
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I'm sorry, but did you vote?
please do because I'm especially interested in hearing from the people who make the apps with the ads in them..
This thread is created specifically to address this very issue..
How many people, upon entering the android shop and playing around with the phone, had any idea 90% of the apps are chock full of annoying ads?
there was literally not a single google ad on any of the phones I tried in all the stores
Its a bit deceiving.
Hence, the suggested name change..
no, i'm not spending even more money on even more phones.
thanks though
but we should be extra vigilant in helping others who may fall into the same trap
It may be too late for me, but I believe with the proper name change, we can help other people avoid this exact same problem.. a problem you yourself may even hate more than me.. if thats even possible
keep up the good work
and dont forget to vote!
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Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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matgras said:
buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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Yep, or turn off data & wifi if not needed, and that's it... no ads
matgras said:
Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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is that 3 people? and are they all by chance app developers hoping to become millionaires?
MANKIND is fed up with the ads
we're fed up with noobs who should stick to programming or email spamming and stay the fk out of marketing, an area they obviously know nothing about.
you want money, you want a beer? EARN IT!
nobody's giving you any money because you annoy the sht out of them.. the advetising companies know that.. they are just using programmers for ad placement,, you are ad company fodder
the majority of ads on apps are not even making the developer any money.. if you didnt actually code the program yourself, and used one of the online app-building services, and are offering your app for free, then odds are you had no choice but to put ads in your app, just to be able to make it for free... and if you did pay to build it. all you get is 50% of ad revenue shared with the online builder service
and then you make 0% of the revenue the ads produce, and the online service makes 100% funded by THE most uneducated, classless, bunch of dirtbag wannabe advertisers on the planet, "the all-in-one-internet advertisers/codemonkeys"
buy you a beer eh?
are u joking or toking?
people donate money to developers who have made an awesome program from top to bottom.. a program they love, by a dev who offered it for free at a great personal cost, and who may very well have no money at all, since all of his time has been spent helping the community
thats how its always been
nobody is giving you any money for spamming them..
YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD.. your ads.. thats your beer money, drunkard...you are not a coder who does things for the community, investing all his own free time for the benefit of others without reward or thought of reward...
you are someone who has chosen to spam the community for pittance, YOU DONT DESERVE COMMUNITY MONEY..
you already have a sugardaddy.. the Ad companies.
not only do you appear to be a pathetic beggar, and pretending to need beer money, you are also behind the Ad spammers, you are on their wagon.. you're playing both sides, like we're all a bunch of fools...
who in the hell is going to pay you anything just so that special ol' you may graciously stop your uber-annoyances & ad spamming?
good luck with that
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The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
dxppxd said:
The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
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that does nothing to address a wide-spread problem
here, we're looking for real solutions to the spam problem
the spam problem is not mine, as a user, though I'm sure you'd like to run around calling everyone who doesnt enjoy your spamming a noob
the spam problem lies in the relationship & system ecostructure existing between ad companies, googles own ad interests, app devs, dev ethics, ad compnay ethics and Google policies
but would you rather I "just shut up", or "just go away"?
rather than solving a serious problem?
and might that have something to do with your own ad spamming?
this is about a real solution, not shutting up one person so you continue carrying about like a monkey
thanks for your imput though
and please vote
Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
I don't like ads and don't see any advantage these ads provide besides giving you totally pointless info.
But since you are free to download and install anything you wan't i don't see a reason to then just uninstall the app and either buy the full unlocked version without ads or find another app that does what you wan't.
I hardly have any apps on my phone with ads so annoying that i needed to click the ad away before i could use the app.
On your comment that a dev needs to EARN his money
On one side i do follow you and one only should receive money after showing his programming money worthy skills.
But isn't that the whole idea of a free & paid app? If you like what you see in the free 'ad sponsored' app then you can buy the app and have an AD FREE app.
If there are still ads in the paid version you just uninstall it and get your money back to never look at that dev ever again.
And if you still say they need to give you and ad free version and then you'll happy pay them if it's good then WOW what a naive mind setting you live in.
Once a person receives a free full working ad free version then let's say 80% (no stats to show just made this up) won't even bother helping out the dev by donating. Out of those 80% one side are cheapskates not carrying about the dev and on the other sides they don't like the app but since it was adfree they still use it.
Long discussion short:
- You are free to choose what you DL / use so if you don't like ads use the paid versions or just don't use ad sponsored apps
- A dev should be allowed to use in app ads no matter what ( cause people are cheap bastards)
- Ad sponsoring does provide some income (i was able to host 2 sites in the past purely running on ads)
To me this thread is just your way to vent out ad frustration and trying to find other people with the same mind set.
But face it if you don't like ads go live in a cave because:
- Ads on radio
- Ads on TV
- Ads in Newspaper
- Ads in magazine
- Ads on the roads
- Ads on the internet
- All your base are belong to ads
As to finding a solution. there is NO solution.
Ads exists because companies wan't there name out there to be known and don't mind spending some $$ to achieve it.
If you can make it so companies can let everyone know who/what they are/do (<--- HHMMM ads) then you will automatically remove the ads from every place.
See how this above sentence made absolutely no sense what so ever ( point proven that ads are impossible to remove cause then companies won't survive)
What are you on? You're having a conversation with yourself in this thread and the front page comments. Google is making steps to make those annoying ad distribution methods bannable. Take a deep breath, count to 10, and relax. In the future, stop downloading all these trash apps that keep spamming you.
On your original post, I don't think Google should rebrand Android. Rebranding is terrible. I vote keep the name the same
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Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
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hmm, well, i strongly disagree there is "no" solution
lets look more closely at the problem
On the developer side, they are doing the best with what they have, which is a very limited education focused on a very narrow field.. not your marketing wizs.. they are doing what they know, which is ad-based internet revenue generating as a valid form of advertising..
but that doesnt work when it takes up a tenth of your screen.
and the other side of the problem is that companies like Coco-cola, or whatever, who are not very tech-savvy, have hitherto had to rely on said webdevs to place their ads and run their online marketing
but make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of internet marketers are not actually marketers at all, but are little web designers and social media architects etc, that have really no concept of how to set-up, run, or manage a proper Marketing Campaign...
both sides are to blame..
u cant understand why I am so upset, so I'll tell you right now it likely has something to do with the fact that I have been in Marketing for the last decade. real, actual marketing, and have taught advanced-level marketing at some of the best marketing institutes, including those in Singapore.
anyway.. there are many ways to make money, ads in your app that people have to pay to remove is one way you can try to earn money
another way, and perhaps one of the best ways, is micro-charging, a concept fully realize in Korea, Japan & China, but which Americans can't seem to grasp at all.. and I have my doubts as to whether they ever will.
firstly, the carriers wont ever do whats needed for micro-charging to work, namely, allow you to take it out of your account, largely because America is not a Pay as you go telecom system, but one you pay per month and are given a set plan..
in Asia, you recharge your phone by recharge cards, and with a click of a button you deduct money from your balance for whatever you want
and Secondly, because America cant seem to figure out the numbers, and take that leap of faith required to charge people $0.01-$0.05 cents per function, rather than $0.25 and up... and offer them enough activity for their money they had a good time with it...
EA Sports is an example of such a company failing to grasp this basic Asian concept.
EA bought Popcap, and being a North American company is having a hard time making it successful in China.. Plants vs Zombies 2 for your Android Device is currently only out in China, and its one of the most popular games, currently... But those EA dorks ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WILL PAY 2RMB FOR 5 SECONDS WORTH OF IN-GAME FUNCTIONALITY.. ok. actually, its for blue diamonds. but anyway..
they are completely retarded.. people play that game all day long.. charging 2 to 5 Cents per function is ok, you may use that function up to 2rmb or 2 dollars a day, and be happy to pay for it if you got a good amount of fun for your money...
but to charge someone 2 yuan because YOU think people should pay 2 Yuan, because you laugh at 1 cent.. even when its not actually costing you anything to increase the in-game value, actually makes you a retard.. in Asia anyway..
or make them pay upfront from a large number of tokens etc.. is not going to work as well as on-demand, need-it-now, 1 to 5 cent, single-click, in-app micro-pays
especially when you have 1 billion users. who play the game every day for years to come
instead, what dorky American companies get is exactly squat.. and its probably more than they deserve
OR they give you some lame crappy game and expect you to pay for having a worthwhile game
Plants v Zombies is a very fun game, challenging, and fulfilling, even if you never spend a penny on micro-charges
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another way people make money is by offering a very great and fully functional app, that is in itself a pleasure & joy to use, and fulfills your needs.
then, YOU GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND INCREASE THE SIZE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR PROGRAM 2-10 TIMES MORE
yes, that means way more work for you
and then, you charge people small amounts to add that functionality
Pleco is an example of a successful app doing this.. they give you a great, robust, very full-featured & useful app that is itself very complete and you would not need anything more
they then offer you things you didnt even know you wanted until you saw partly how they work within the app, and you end up buying them
.......... great
and another way is create an app for free, also without ads, that people really enjoy, and then request that they donate to you if they enjoyed it & feel its worth it
they sometimes even suggest an amount.
or they ask you to pay if you use it for business, or you make money with that app, etc..
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AND THEN, in stark contrast to all the ad-free options above, there is the worst possible way imaginable.. you make an app which annoys the crap out of everybody, making them hate your app, causing some people to fall into epileptic seizures, when you yourself have not even the slightest concept of what marketing is..
those ads arent even targeted, maybe by region or IP address, but rest assured, many more people will be hating your company, when you stick crap in the face of people who would never use your product and are not even in your target demographic.
its completely useless
WHAT USE COULD POSSIBLY COME FROM SPAMMING AN ELITE 30 SOMETHING MALE WITH ADS OF WOMEN'S MAKEUP?
none..
its a marketing fail
and its worse than that, it actually hurts your company
and no, you cant ask your customers why your ad spamming bothers them and look at them like they're stupid for not wanting them on the limited space displays in their handheld devices
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and worse than those people are the ones who also want you to pay for complete functionality on a limited functionality app, or to remove the ads
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there is definitely solutions
Marketing companies taking over App Development from the too-geeky-to-get-it devs
let people click close on the banner, and dont make it re-open until the next time the app is opened
or something like youtube has done, "you can close this banner ad in 5-4-3-2-1"
the ability to 'click next' on the ad, with an option to say "this ad doesnt apply to me"
and for google to enforce these protocols, as well as require all in-app ads to be targeted to a specific demographic according to more than 3 demographic or psychographic criteria..
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oh, make no mistake, my friend, the problem is monumental
and, yes, there are many, many solutions to the problem.. indeed...
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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its not a complete rebranding.. that is obviously the same current android logo, the android logo is very familiar, and it can have many different versions
the above version is just a suggestions.
Google is the brand, Android is a product line of the brand
and its in a dynamic market needing dynamic & innovative adjustments to keep up with the trends, technology, and social nuances
Adroid would be a re-introduction, an honest improvement over the current and inferior "Android"
Now, at this point I feel that I should point out to you that everything I have just said in this post right here is a joke.. not the haha type, but kind of a sad parody.. or more of a parable of sorts
it seems nobody here can really get a figure of speech that has a lesson beyond the surface text
the Adroid above is an example of everything that is wrong with the current situation in Google's Android platform and its connectors
its a Metaphor
for a real and devastating problem
shall I draw an image of exactly how annoying it is..
this is what it would look like on an HD Windows 7 Desktop
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Perhaps instead of a full banner, they could make a small corner icon, that says "Click to See Your Ads"
"what use is that", you say?
"who would ever click on that"? you say?
Before installing an ad-supported app from the Ad-supported app section of Google Play, you need to first install the "Special Offers Manager" app.. where you are given a list of options/ a short survey where you select the type of ads you are interested in
You can select things like "sports", "movies", Fishing" etc, entering your own text if suitable choices arent available
you can also sign up for ads from specific companies or products, like Pepsi, Nike, Walmart, etc..
and you only get those ads..
AND they are full-screen, multi-page ads
and they never auto-appear
so the ads are tailored to the person's interests and personal preferences, and thus spark their interest, and may even be anticipated, or the highlight of their android usage.
"But they wont click on them if they arent shoved in their faces" you angrily exclaim
but they will, because they know there is something relevant to them, and because they can be presented with ACTUALLY SPECIAL offers.. that is, offers the user finds special, not offers the company finds special
on clicking an ad, you see Pepsi or Walmart, you are presented with a full-page Coupon or page of coupons,, or swipable multi-pages, as a coupon book..
then you click "Save QR Code" on a specific coupon, and its stored in your "Special Offers Manager" which comes as a stand-alone app for people who want to use Ad-supported ads.. the ads can be viewed by company or by date..
and there is an option in the "Special Offers Manager" app to only update coupons on WiFi connection, so you can upload larger coupon books
and all ad-supported ads are labelled as such on Google Play, and searchable in a specific category, separate from "Free".. Free, and "Ad-Supported Free"
then you go to a store, pull out your phone, go to your 'Special Offers Manager', click "Get QR Code" for the offer you saved, scan it at the store, and receive your special offer.
users will actively seek out the ads, clicking through them on the "Next" and "Previous" buttons, cycling through ads made just for you, according to your needs.
no secret info collecting and guessing what people want
whatever.. America is 15 years out from this, yet.. if ever
And here's a well put together article for you take a gander at http://www.forbes.com/sites/ayoomojola/2013/09/26/ios-is-for-revenue-android-is-for-ads/
iOS users spend more on Apps, Android users don't. iOS users are going to shell out more $$$ for a product that's not always up to date or quickly falls behind the Android competitors.
So Android users it would seem have adapted and can deal with the ads. If it's something that bothers you so greatly, maybe you should take your money over to iOS. Pay more and get less ads. bye!
Surprise surprise this thread is going nowhere. I'm shocked.
Thread closed.
Question: What happens when the T&C or Privacy Policy of an app we paid for changes in a way we're not content with?
Though this question relates to Endomondo, though I suppose it could apply to any app in the Play store that has been updated or undergone a Privacy Policy change during the course of use. I believe this issue is a larger one of how to protect ourselves in an ever increasingly dangerous world of data hacking and marketing abuse.
Here's a topline of the particulars, but again, it could apply to any app we use, on any platform for that matter.
Back in 2011, I purchased Endomondo Pro.
During a relatively recent OTA app update, they removed a feature I specifically bought the app for (the step counter) presumably in preparation for what happened next.
In the past year (give-or-take), the company (read: Endomondo app) was acquired by UnderArmor
The aforementioned update forced us to a different version of the program, so we either had to go along with the update, or be unable to use the app. Naturally, having paid for the program, I accepted the update.
Some time in the month of March(?) they updated their Privacy Policy in such a way that I am no longer comfortable using the program.
In any other world, what has happened here could be considered 'bait-and-switch' at best, racketeering and coercion at worst in that we were forcibly required to accept the update or lose use of the program we paid for.
Though they claim there has been no change in their Privacy Policy, I disagree, though I don't happen to have a copy of their old policy when it was managed by Endomondo. Thus, I have not been able to use the program because of my discomfort with what I believe to be a dramatic change in the language of the Privacy Policy.
Specifically, the change is way too intrusive for me, especially with our government being too much involved in our health care system, and the ever-increasing risk of hacks that have breached even the most secure systems.
DISCLAIMER: To their credit, Endomondo (and their new owners, UnderArmor) have honored the privacy settings. I have not received one shred of unsolicited advertisement. However, who knows what they may be cooking up in the back room without our knowledge, and who knows how that might change at any point going forward.
Here's how the mealy-mouthed lawyers spin this up:
How We Disclose Personal Data
Under Armour will only disclose your Personal Data with your knowledge and as stated in this Privacy Policy or as indicated at the time of collection. This includes disclosures that will enable us to fulfill our obligations to you, and allows us to manage our business operations. We will only share your Personal Data with third parties in certain limited instances, namely with your consent, or as is necessary to complete a transaction or provide a product, service, or feature that you have requested.
We may disclose your Personal Data as described in this Privacy Policy and in the following ways:
To Affiliates, Partners, Vendors, and Suppliers
During Recruitment and Job Applications
To Enable the Use of Our Services
In Community Forums
As We Grow and Change – Corporate Transactions and Reorganizations
As Required by Law and Special Circumstances
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Translated: they can do whatever they want, any time they want, to whomever they want, for whatever reasons they want... all they need to do in order to disclose your most personal information is to say it's for "research" or "business operations". And, to complicate matters further, they say:
We may update this Privacy Policy from time to time without prior notice. You can determine when this Policy was last revised by checking the Effective Date. We encourage you to periodically review this privacy policy to ensure you understand our privacy practices.
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Translated: Not only can we do whatever we want, but we don't even have to tell you.
It seems to me this is a violation not only of trust, but bordering on illegal, by coercing us into allowing the update and then unilaterally changing the privacy policy in such a way as to leave us no alternative to using what we paid for, no opt-out, and no other options. I don't need to have my workout data stored on their servers, I'd gladly keep it on my local device. Frankly, this whole 'cloud' thing is both overrated and worrisome at best.
Ironically enough, as a marketing professional, I completely understand and endorse the idea that (when used honestly and properly) data such as this is as good for customers as it is for the company using it. However, when things go bad (and not a month goes by when it doesn't), we who are the victims of data theft have no recourse.
I'm of the opinion that there ought to be legislation passed to hold companies accountable should they collect data that later becomes the subject of a breach. Though I'm probably the last person to want our government once again involved in our lives, there ought to be a way to provide consumers with recourse to hold a company accountable in the event of a breach should they collect our data that becomes compromised. As it sits now, when something goes bad, companies shrug their shoulders and say "sorry", and we're left cancelling credit cards, chasing our tails to fix it, and in extreme cases, rebuilding our lives in the aftermath of identity fraud.
So, I'd like to hear your thoughts on what we, as users, customers and consumers of technology products, might do to protect ourselves and assert our rights to what we paid for in the first place. To whom would one go in order to file a complaint? Should we look to Google? Perhaps the FTC (Federal Trade Commission)?
Just curious to hear your thoughts.
Hi Guys, just bought the Galaxy Note 8 from T-mobile,
I started the phone without logging in, and it was working fine, but as soon as I logged in, it does not allow me to log out.
It asked me to fully reset the phone, but I need blackberry for work app and park mobile app,, so if i reset, i will loose it.
Q1.) do you know how to can I logout without reset?
Q2.) if I reset, is it possible to sideloade those two apps?
Q3.) is there any alternate market?
when I try to go to
"cloud and account" --> "accounts" --> select "google" --> on account profile page menu --> "remove account" --> ack "remove account"
gives me message , "
Remove account
" Account is needed by some apps. You can only remove it by resetting device to factory defaults(which deletes all personal data). To do this go to setting > Backup and reset"
then "backup and reset" requires/forces me to create a "samsung account" and still I cant logout without restting.
I called T-mo. they were trying to help, but they couldnt' and told me only samsung can help, but "samsung" is not willing to help, not replying my email or private tweets,
Every person has their own level of tolerance for privacy, I am not looking for advises on why I want to log out, I need help on how to logout.
since I use it for work I can't root , blackberry app will not work.
Model: SM-N950U
Android V: 7.1.1
Samsung Experience V: 8.5
android security patch: oct 1, 2017
Kernal: 4.4.21-12461033
knox: 2.9
pls. help
It looks like this is called FRP (Factory Reset Protection) program, provided by Samsung..
objective is to prevent anyone from stilling your phone and reset it and use it.
but why not use samsung account ? why to use google account for this? they are too creepy if you logged in?
there are few instructions on removing sync , accounts.db and accounts.journal files, is it safe? is it going to screwup the phone ?
is there is no opt-in/opt-out for FRP?
The problem is that the apps that you installed is part of your account. So you need to add another Google account. Then any free app with no in-app purchases will also be part of that account. Any app that you have that is paid and/or in-app purchases attached to that Google account to it will need to be removed in order not to need to reset the device. The reason is that any app that you purchased or in-app purchased is attached to that Google account and can't be transferred to another account and can't be used without being logged into that Google account.
FYI - You can use Amazon app store for apps while signed in to any Google account or not even signed in to any Google account. You will still be signed into Amazon account. Amazon Store side load apps. So you need to give your device permission to side load apps.
Samsung Store is okay, but not forward thinking. Since you will need to stay with Samsung devices to keep using apps from Samsung account. That is the reason that I said Amazon App Store is much better alternative app store.
And you can still have more than one Google account signed in on your device as well.
But if you are not signed in any Google account your device will be limited usage. After all going for Android is going for its Eco-system. Just as when you go for iSO (Apple) is going for Apple Eco-system. That (Eco-system) is what we should be using as the first part of our decision in which device (Android or iOS (Apple) to get. Hardware should be the last part in our decision making when choosing which device to get. App neutrality doesn't really work 100% (for varies of reasons). So Eco-system should be THE FIRST PART of your decision.
If you don't want any company access to your information then go for a flip-phone and pen/paper.
Thanks!
I have my old galaxy S4 , where I can logout at will. so the advantages is you are not syncing your contacts, your location, search, youtube etc, and still use apps (including in-app purchase apps).
Currently if I have a fever, they tack that too, it is too intrusive..
I have never purchased an in-app item, never, and I have no intention too. but still my cc is at risk if one of my kids do it ( I know there are options berried in the settings to disable it) , but now apps also can access my contacts loc etc through google account.
if ppl can hack/steal govt data, this is nothing, like Equifax, they just apologized but no consequences.. CEO is not in the jail.. so why not to give options to their own users? why take/force decision for us? ( if I want to protect my phone and does not allow anyone to reset and start it --I need to stay logged in -- may be ok, although I think there are way to enforce that without giving up your privacy),
in anycase I am just looking to log out keeping those two apps.
Well......, too late for Samsung and Google for not getting that data. They all got that data very quickly when you first got into Android and Samsung devices. The same goes for Apple devices with Apple having your data (Apple calls that "Apple ID" information (data) that gets stored in the "Apple Cloud").
When it comes to your data (data that connects to you):
Your carrier like T-Mobile always have and logs your location with their tower's location and/or nods. As well as your web search, YouTubing, etc is logged not only by the search (Google, Microsoft, etc) and content provider (Youtube, Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, Sling, Pandora, Spotify, Apple, etc), but also your carrier too, like T-Mobile. If you use VPN service they logged your activity as well. Anytime you use Microsoft Office you are being logged by Microsoft too. Each app you use you are being logged by that developer, content provider, App Store that you got the apps from, ISP carrier (like T-mobile), and others. Logging out of your Google and Samsung accounts is not going to stop that.
So.... At that point, the only thing to do is enjoy the services or go for a flip-phone and pen/paper.
I use the finger print reader to protect app purchases and in-app purchases from my son. Works like a charm.
You can stop your device from syncing your contacts to Google and Samsung (This setting is in Contacts apps and in account settings). Then just backup your contacts with Samsung's Contacts app by just exporting a (VCF) file to your SDcard. Then you can import contacts from the (VCF) file. But the last Contacts that was synced to Google and/or Samsung will still be there with them.
At the end:
The Note series is designed for cloud based business and entertainment usage. That is despite that Samsung allows local usage. Still this Galaxy Note 8 is designed to be really a powerful cloud connected based business and entertainment usage device. Gone of the old PDA devices (local based usage devices). Once they put in cellular and WiFi radios within the PDA these devices have change forever.This includes tablets.
Sorry!
Thank you for you reply!
I wished there was a comprehensive law. Europe at least has an active body to do it..
Tmo/carriers --I think (at least now), might not be after your very personal data, and we already gave our ssn when we signed up, we have seen multiple times that they have easily lost that data too.. (like Target)
but Google or FB on the other end are on different level, they intervene with your life. I wonder how much they must be (paying ) lobbying senators and house reps, to keep away from bringing bills on privacy..
the last privacy law was 1974 and last revision was on 2004, that too only dictating how govt should store/use data , nothing about corporates.
I would go to flipphones, the only reason I am on the new phone is the there are new bands on Tmo that are not supported on my S4, and have no/very weak signal, so I dont think flip-phone option is there at all
but hopefully, there will be some kind of control over it. but before that I wished these CEOs had some moral, or the big schools should have taught them 1 class on morality
sendi_t34 said:
Hi Guys, just bought the Galaxy Note 8 from T-mobile,
I started the phone without logging in, and it was working fine, but as soon as I logged in, it does not allow me to log out.
It asked me to fully reset the phone, but I need blackberry for work app and park mobile app,, so if i reset, i will loose it.
Q1.) do you know how to can I logout without reset?
Q2.) if I reset, is it possible to sideloade those two apps?
Q3.) is there any alternate market?
when I try to go to
"cloud and account" --> "accounts" --> select "google" --> on account profile page menu --> "remove account" --> ack "remove account"
gives me message , "
Remove account
" Account is needed by some apps. You can only remove it by resetting device to factory defaults(which deletes all personal data). To do this go to setting > Backup and reset"
then "backup and reset" requires/forces me to create a "samsung account" and still I cant logout without restting.
I called T-mo. they were trying to help, but they couldnt' and told me only samsung can help, but "samsung" is not willing to help, not replying my email or private tweets,
Every person has their own level of tolerance for privacy, I am not looking for advises on why I want to log out, I need help on how to logout.
since I use it for work I can't root , blackberry app will not work.
Model: SM-N950U
Android V: 7.1.1
Samsung Experience V: 8.5
android security patch: oct 1, 2017
Kernal: 4.4.21-12461033
knox: 2.9
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Notices this too on the latest T-Mo firmware. Nope. No way to logout without factory reset. Exactly what that screen says. You will have to factory reset from the settings, like it or not.
You can always go to apk mirror to look for the apps and install them. But if any require you to log into a Google account, then you'll be back where you started. Sorry.
I understand why its frustrating, but it is what it is I don't mind it, cause I don't care what Google knows about me., and find their services extremely convenient. My mom won't even get a smart thermostat because she's scared the government is watching her utility usage. Me? I tell my Google Home to change the temp on my Nest Thermostat, cause I prefer convenience.
Thanks for your opinion and suggestions!
As I said, everyone has their level of tolerance. I wouldnt mind giving the information if I can control it, but this is actually intruding. like creep. ( like not letting us log out, making decision for you as if you are dumb).
I also would like convince sure, but would you like
1.) If your kids are graded over google class room, and the full academic-history is recorded there, in future your potential employer will be able to request it without even your knowledge, same thing as "agree all"
For your little convince "now" your are giving up your (or your kids )future by letting them think that this is acceptable or this is "new reality" and ppl will forgive or ppl are adaptive.. I sincerely wish you give one thought to it.
Tomorrow, they will tell you this food it good for you and you should't eat this or that.. you will say "oh I prefer convince that it is telling me what to do for my health" -- next thing you know it does not even "allow you to eat anything else." -- like it is not allowing me to log out -- b/c I dont loose the phone --making decision for me--
you can wait for that day or try to consider a "little less" convenience ..
I am not that old, at least that's what I think , but I assume old ppl. have some prejudice with govt and I dont know why... but I dont have that, govt can track it , but they dont have any corporate interest at least.
I can give more examples when you search up a deceases or your kids are in trouble everything is recorded. (no 2nd chance for them). I am not convince that you are willing to weigh those things with minor inconvenience of setting temp on your nest thermostat from your computer or logging in again and again with your fingerprints when required ..
Thank you for putting your perspective. I hope that we as a consumer see beyond apparent
Like I said before :
Both Apple and Google have you log into your account (Apple ID if it is iOS or Google account if it is Android) for their mobile devices (both tablets and "smartphones").
If you don't want this then:
Use a flip phone and pen/paper.
The things are that you have a choice and that is your choice.
On The Side Talk - I worked for some of these corporations. I find that they have less interest in your and your family's personal lives. They want customers. And the future is going towards device assistant future. That is the future our children and their children will live in the future. As business you want that piece of that pie. And for customers it is a way to have always on assistance.
What I worry about is the govs into your personal lives. It doesn't take much work for the gov agencies and law agencies in stitching in your activities and activities of people you connect with into a crime or would be crime without you doing the crime and without you planning a crime. That is what both individuals and business don't want. That is much more danger than any corporation. Meaning that I don't have any fear of any corporation becoming a gov. But I do believe we need to be aware of what the govs can and will do with your data.
When it comes to corporations my largest fear is what they will do to our accessing the whole Internet since net neutrality is reversed.
Thanks!
Sure. It sounds like 90's Microsoft saying if you dont want to use IE "your are not forced to" just dont use it , but there is no other option, but now it is cool b/c google/aaple is saysing it? same as we dont have any option for cable only optimum or comcast RCN or TWC in perticular area only one is available..
but I think we dont want to pick up another topic on this this very important subject of privacy. Net-Neutrality is very important we can open another thread.
" I worked for some of these corporations. I find that they have less interest in your and your family's personal lives" -- I bag to differ strongly. only thing they care about is "bottom line" they dont/can't (since that there business model) give a dime about your privacy..
Since you have worked for these big corporations, let me pick your brains, what do you think about Wells fargo case where false/dummy , without permissions, accounts were created.. the banks objective is to make money available/make markets/provide basic banking services -- "do you think htey have less interest in your information?"
Where as google /insta/ FB's bread and butter is Your informaiton.. do you still think they have less interest? the whole economics is based on your infromation.. while you were there what was the pricing model? on top ad. when you search for "fever", I assume there will be a real time "bidding" between aspirin/advil/ tylenol to show up as the 1st link, + bidding on your location by riteaid, walgreen, cvs, DR etc. the more the information(like age,women,kids, other conditions, are you searching it again in howmany months? is it cyclic issue can I market every month on these dates? there you go for data science .. etc) the more the price of the link since you can market other drugs too.. or children medecine on the local store.
thisi s a very basic thought, although I have not worked for those big companies.. so i dont have as much experience as you do.. let me know how they do it.. if not using our information.
Everyone needs to be aware of their data that is accessible to the public and semi-public. This is and was very true much longer than we average people had computers within our daily lives. Remember the cold war fears of whom was a communist, fascist, socialist, etc? You can look into the days of witch hunts. And go much further in time. In the data accessible world it is even more important to be aware of your data in the public and semi-public.
But that should not stop you from living the life of a modern person in the modern world.
With Google, you have the choice what data is public, semi-public and semi-private and totally private. So you have that power of what data is accessible and to whom that data is accessible to.
But I can understand if someone is in fear of what data the governments (including law enforcement agencies) can get to and have access. Corporations don't control that. In fact tech corporations rather the governments (including law enforcement agencies) not have any ability to access the data. Basically it is bad business for tech corporations in the governments (including law enforcement agencies) to have access of people's data, because of the lack of trust to the tech corporations due to governments (including law enforcement agencies) hands in people's data. Again, tech corporations don't have that kind of power to stop governments (including law enforcement agencies) from accessing the data beyond certain legal points. That is why I said "Both individuals and corporations don't want this".
We just got to be aware of what data we have out there, how the data is accessible, and to whom has access to that data. Then make intelligent decisions of what data we allow out there and to whom will have access to each data. Then practice this throughout our modern lives in this modern world.
What I do agree is that there should be "Personal Data Awareness within the Internet" classes for each child. This class would teach children the facts in the dangers of their own personal data on the Internet and how to protect themselves & their own data. I feel that this is important.
To answer your bank question: When it comes to banks. They are much different from the tech industry in so many ways. And yes, the financial industry did caused the great recession ten years ago.
I kind of agree with some of your points.
But one basic difference that you are confusing or merging corporate with governments. I am not referring government, I am okay with govt having data or even tracking since that is for security (at least I want to believe that ) , otherwize based on above logic somebody will say if you don't like it leave usa -- like if you dont want google to track you dont use google/apple/fb right?
The basic problem is, why google/apple/FB needs to carry so much personalized data? and not give us control? a basic thing like log out, even if I "log out," they can still feed me localized ads, since they have my ip and device id.. only thing is they can not say this is "sendi" who did the search ( even though they can indirectly figure it).. they can not "profile" a user. remember a few months ago when Law and Enforcement ppl. were stopping and you had to show your legal docs? and there was a huge public outcry..
But now google/apple/FB etc tracks you more than that is it still cool?
Once you (or someone else --think revenge) "post" pic/contact/vid etc on google/FB/Apple/Insta , the privacy policy you signed "agree all" makes that google/FB "property", and you have to beg them to take it out.. in the name of modern society, are you willing to bite that ?
I am not against new technology, I like and trade in crypto, but you need to have technology help you live better life, not creep you ... or make it immutable, force, all negativity they are bringing.. It is like having so much power and no responsibility ..
This is case of Moral and Ethics, Google/Apple will only act if it "come out" .. like memo from google a few months ago and publicized.. like Uber CEO case (how they operate) do you think they care about anything unless it come into media?.
https://www.boston.com/news/untagged/2015/03/24/how-to-try-to-get-your-nude-photos-removed-from-the-internet
Boston.com talked to Mitchell J. Matorin, a Wellesley-based lawyer, and Lissa McKinney, an Acton-based attorney, about some of the ways to try to get these photos removed. Matorin said that, under the act, victims trying to get photos removed can turn to federal criminal law, intellectual property law, and, in some cases, state law.
Alleging copyright infringement is a victim’s best bet, he said.
If a victim’s photo is posted without her consent, she still owns the copyright as long as she took it herself. If her partner took the photo—with or without consent—he owns the copyright unless he agrees to transfer it.
A victim who owns a copyright must file the image with the U.S. copyright office, which will then submit a copyright number to indicate that it has been registered in a federal database. Once the image has been granted a copyright number, she can sue for infringement.
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You cant take out your picture , (even if it is yours) , you need a lawyer + proof (meaning take that pic again , show it to copywrite ppl, and prove it) and then websites take it out.. where are apples 267 billions in cash sponsoring that bill? for us to trust them they they wont misuse anyone's privacy?
Again: We are responsible for our own data. What others do with the data that they have with them (including the data that they downloaded from public or what you gave them or someone you gave the data gave them) is out of the tech industry's hands (outside of copyright data that the tech company may need proof of before taking action). Believe you me you don't want the tech industry to start being the police on the Internet.
Tech industry will always be on the side of "freedom of speech". Yes they have been and are being fired back from this "freedom of speech" from the public and the governments with this in several different directions. This is a fine line. And the tech companies are not the Internet police. And you don't want the governments to be the Internet police either.
The "right to be forgotten" breaks the Internet in the same way that censorship and no net neutrality does. The "right to be forgotten" makes the information on the Internet as much of a lie as "fake news" does by hiding the facts (data) through limiting and even stopping the data from getting to the public. That is how it breaks the Internet.
I am not saying that people in the tech industry doesn't do things wrong or don't do what is becoming the modern times socially unacceptable. After all we all are humans and the exceptions of the modern world is in a huge movement of change. As we and our technologies moves us closer in many ways our exceptions of what is acceptable changes. I remember that it was normal to of found your love in or around your workplace (after all you live most of your time at work). Now days looking at someone in wrong way (without realizing you doing it) or even an unconscious blink of your eyes towards someone is unacceptable. Yet at the same time: blasting your music and videos out loud in public places & around other people (that don't want to hear/watch the stuff), legal drug use in CA (marijuana), and street gang clothing style fully with the street gang attitude to boot is fully acceptable in our world at this current moment in time.
What a twisted world we are currently living in right now where: We are not allow to even unconsciously blink our eyes towards the wrong person. Yet we can't speak against certain things what we may find offensive and even dangerous without being considered as discriminative, dangerous, and all around bad in the eyes of the modern public. While other things get way too much attention from the public. Like I find the street gang life style with the street gang attitude to boot, drug infested, blast your stuff in public with no regard to anyone else type culture to be more dangerous and offensive on a larger scale then a few bad behaviors & few bad apples within the business world. Business world always needs cleaning up in their behavior, that I agree and support. But there are much worse things that need more attention. And yet, I would be consider as a bad person with all the dressings that I mentioned above to think this way in this modern world. That is truly messed up.
The tech industry is not responsible for the data leaks either. Look onto the bad "black hat" (lack of a better terminology) hackers and governments for that. The tech industry is doing their best to stop the leaks (hacks). And the tech industry is not responsible for how the non-tech industries responds. It is up to each company to weigh the risk of when to tell the public of such leaks. If they tell the public too soon they can put the data even more risk before they can fix the problem. And the knowledge of the leak can bring scare to the public that can create more damage in many ways than it can help. Things like these are the reasons for not telling the public or delays of such knowledge like leaks. And not all these companies are tech companies. So they may not understand what happened nor the risk involved.
The tech industry is not the monster. They, like all of us, are just part of the times of this world that we live in that is going through its own changes.
Again: Know the risk, what data you have and want out there, whom should and may have access to it and how the data can be accessed. Then make your decisions from there.
Again: Protecting our privacy is very important to corporations. Since consumer's trust means business to corporations. Losing consumer's trust means lower profits.
Fears, half baked knowledge, half-truths, true data in wrong content/s, and conspiracy theories doesn't help.