Related
(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
NBP Pipsquack Bird said:
(If request threads are frowned upon, my apologies. Feel free to delete or move this thread.)
Are there others of you out there that would appreciate a ROM that is a phone / PDA first and lotsa colorful graphics left to a minimum?
Here's why I ask. I've recently been looking at the reviews of the new HTC PURE (AT&T.) Looking at its TF3D screens my first reaction was, "I dig the blue theme, but man those mono color sliders sure look boring! The ROMs at XDA sure have better graphics!"
That was, however - a short lived reaction. . . .
We have a stock AT&T FUZE here in the house, and as everyone knows its theme is gray, gray, and more gray - boring.
However -
When a text message or email comes in, the little bright orange notification circles that pop up on the sliders are quite noticeable and stick out like a sore thumb. Some may consider this ugly, but it IS functional.
Once the modding stops and life restarts, these are, after all phone / PDAs. And in a busy life full of varying light conditions, the boring AT&T themes seem more useful than many cooked ROMs. Their basic two toned themes make it easier and faster to interact with the phone while on the go. The alerts are not distracted by the multicolors all over the interface.
I really do not like the features, bloat, and outdated stock AT&T ROM for the FUZE. And I really appreciate the great ROMs here on XDA and prefer them.
I'm wondering if there are others like me out there and a chef willing to make a go at a simple two toned ROM with bold alerts?
Feedback?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
looking on the ROM page I see many stock like or simple ROMS. Have you tried any of those? To me the idea behind cooked ROMS is to be different from the ones who use stock ROMS. I personally during a day go from my car to my office to a warehouse to my car then out to lunch at many different places then back to my office and then home as well as stores and shopping and have not had an interaction issue with a single ROM I have tried. Furthermore all ROMS put a notification icon on the task bar as well when you have mail or messages. For me functionality has never been an issue. What I would like is a more personal way to ad or remove apps I never use such as all the multimedia and messaging crap.
Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
yeah i would use timolols if ur interested in a bare looking and yet functional rom.
I concur with more function over looks
It would be nice to see more roms that are naked or use UC to put in the programs you want or exclude those that you may not need.
I'll take a look at Timolol's
sa-10 has a good idea with choice through UC.
One thing I like with many ROMs is the choice to run with TF3D or Titanuim baked into the same ROM. I was just wondering if there would be much popular support for an option to run with a very basic theme.
I don't dispute Solarenemy68's expereinces day to day. But for me, I have become vision impaired. I didn't want to make this thread about me or a disability, so I thought I'd see if other folks would find a simple to see, functional ROM useful.
madnish30 said:
Try Timolol's ROMs as bare and boring as they can be but with great speed.
And this topic is not worth a new thread.
Please be careful next time you start a new thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
mancsoulja said:
You wanna watch how you speak to people, who are you to decide what deserves a thread and what dosent
Quite an ironic response for someone with "Learn How to use XDA well.Love all.Respect all." in there sig lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
madnish30 said:
Watch how you speak ?! Read again and if you take offense to that your sissy nothing else.
Whats Ironic huh ?
Dude only if you had read the Rules in that link !
And Who am I to decide well, I'm a member of this community as much as you are !
Is anyone stopping you from posting something ?
Or you just go around flaming ?
The message about the thread was for the OP with respect okay ?
Not for you so stop sticking your leg in between.
P.S: if the OP got and problem with what i said he/she can please tell me. I meant no offense to the OP.
But strangers please stay out.
Peace.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
would it not be an idea to talk to an moderator instead of saying this things that can be dually explained ?
PS: maybe not the right timing but it would be a good idea to let chefs make a bare rom and just add the stuff through UC which one can download and unpack on a sd-card ?
I don't mind a MOD judging me as I was not Wrong !
I can't stand baseless acquisitions !
And will defend myself.
And UC on SD card would be good but then the ROM of one chef would not be different from anothers which would make things repatitive.
Plus UC will take so long to install so many apps and things.
People will have different demands and many demands for custom UC.
But maybe it could be tried by upcoming chefs.
Just PM'd two MODs Captain_throwback and the-equinoxe two look into the matter.
I will agree with whatever they will say.
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
NBP Pipsquack Bird said:
No offense was taken.
Many times how I express myself in text is misunderstood as text doesn't allow for tone of voice, pauses, voice inflectoin etc.
So, Im not one to cast stones on this. No harm, no foul.
That said, I didn't post this thread to attract trouble or controversy.
I simply wished to make a request where chefs and patrons could take note and chime in if they like.
Yes, this was posted selfishly seekling a ROM a bit more user friendly to my disability. But before posting I tried to phrase things inclusively with the idea others might also like such a ROM for whatever reason.
Just a request, wondering if others feel they would benefit too.
No trouble intended.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
glad to hear that.
you don't need to be sorry OP.
you are at no fault
glad to see you 2 get along now all of a sudden
donno what happend but it is gifted by the gods
??
I was never against the OP !
This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
[self-plug]
I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
[/self-plug]
Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
Yes, it would be great to have a basic ROM, all,ost all the other ones are overloaded with things most people don't need...
You then could upload a package with CABS so that people can install only the things they want.
It would be great indeed...
Captain_Throwback said:
This thread seems to be a fair request, imo.
That being said, it's always a good idea to look at the ROM threads before posting, to see which ROM meets your needs. If you don't see one, perhaps starting a thread like this gives the OP an opportunity to get people's opinions. This isn't one of those "which ROM is the best" threads, which serve no real purpose, as the answer to that question is quite subjective.
I'm glad to see that the disagreement has been worked out.
I'm also not one for "pretty over functional" ROMs, though don't get me wrong - I like pretty. But I also like having the latest features/ports working on my device (i.e. Manila 2.5).
[self-plug]
I'm actually close to (FINALLY) releasing my own ROM, which I'm *trying* to keep simple and functional (it's tough though, with so many goodies out there). My philosophy is to install as many apps as possible via CAB, rather than cooking in, which not only keeps the \Windows folder cleaner, but allows the end-user to uninstall anything they don't like or won't use. I actually created the placeholder for my ROM 2 months ago, and it's just now finally getting to the point of completion (several ports and hundreds of builds later). Maybe you'll want to check it out, in addition to the other suggestions offered here.
[/self-plug]
Anyway, just make sure everyone keeps respecting each other here in the forum. We just here to help each other. No reason to scold anyone for starting a thread. If it shouldn't be here, the Mods will take care of it.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Appreciate that you had a look here.
And wasn't scolding was just expressing what i felt.
And i think i can do that
Yeah solved OP got no problem i got no problem.
But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
Could you explain that ?
madnish30 said:
But Captain i heard that once apps are cooked in ROMs they perform better rather than when installed ?
Could you explain that ?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It all depends. If you're talking about an app that is located in \program files, it doesn't matter at all how it got there. Apps that appear in rom (in the \windows folder) can work much better when cooked in (voice command comes to mind).
I would love to have a clean ROM. I have acculmulated most of the Software that I won't already in CABs. I have found a lot of really nice ROMs out there but say in 1 I don't like this feature, or in another, I don't like that. I wouldn't mind having just a ROM cooked WinMo 6.5.#, a good radio with only Titanium setup to work with my Fuze on ATT and I can probley do the rest. I don't generally run Manila and the only HTC specific programs i really like are the HTCcalculator and the HTC Comm Manager.
Looks like the children at xda have run off another dev, Nils is gone. I'll be glad when I can get rid of this phone, I'm so tired of all the rudeness and childishness.
RoyHinkley said:
Looks like the children at xda have run off another dev, Nils is gone. I'll be glad when I can get rid of this phone, I'm so tired of all the rudeness and childishness.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
what the **** are you talking about nils didn't leave because of the community, he left because there was no interest in rooms based off stock sense.
Sent from my HTC Rezound using Tapatalk 2
nils is gone?!?! WHYYYYY
Says you. I am interested in ROMs that work...not hacks. I also apparently am one of the few that like using Sense ROMs. Nils delivered on that one. I was disappointed tonight when I read his post and realized his thread was locked/closed.
just saw it. quite upsetting; nils is the man. his work was always quality stuff. after being away dealing wtih the nexus and s3, and then coming back to the rezound development section, all i can say is holy balls. wtf is going on there? seriously, there's like 238948923 new threads of these noname "developers" releasing stock roms based on the OTA....there's like 50 different versions of the same thing. what the hell? annoying.
jayochs said:
just saw it. quite upsetting; nils is the man. his work was always quality stuff. after being away dealing wtih the nexus and s3, and then coming back to the rezound development section, all i can say is holy balls. wtf is going on there? seriously, there's like 238948923 new threads of these noname "developers" releasing stock roms based on the OTA....there's like 50 different versions of the same thing. what the hell? annoying.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
maybe ill release one too
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
**** this I'm going home!!
Sent from my ADR6425LVW using xda app-developers app
This is sad. I ran several of nilsp Roms. Too bad that he is leaving. His Roms were always as close to bug free as any custom ROM I've ever used. Only changed to try new ones.
He will be missed.
BBEgo said:
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well said.
I, too, was anxiously awaiting an update to an already great ROM. There are only two Sense 4 ROM that work reliably with all the functions that I need to work and that don't feel "dated", Business Sense and OnE XxX. I know many people are charmed by the snake but I've seen bug reports in that thread that I haven't seen or experienced in the other two. In fairness, maybe I should try it before I judge it but since I've been running Nils ROM I've haven't felt compelled to try anything else.
You think he left because of no activity in his threads? Read his posts more closely, I don't think that is the whole story.
As far as no activity, read the other threads. Most posts are because this or that doesn't work. You don't see as much of that here because people just download it and go. Then his thread gets buried because of the sudden proliferation of ROMs on the new leak and the recent developments in ASOP and that makes it worse. There seem to be quite a few dev wannabes in here now who are enjoying a little bit of attention. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there are new people getting into ROM building and I know all of them have much more experience and expertise than I do. However, some of them need to learn some manners and have some respect for the experienced devs (maybe it's not so much the new devs as it is their fan base).
Just an opinion from some one watching from the sidelines.
BBEgo said:
This is a truly a sad day for the Rezound.
I think Nils mistook a lack of downloads for satisfaction with what he has already achieved.
I have been running his Sense 4 v2.6 for several weeks. It's so good as is, but I think many of us were waiting to download his next update.
Nils, If activity has been down, it's only because we love what you've already done, and we're enjoying your Rom as is.
Many want to try AOSP and CM9 and all that, and that needs to be ok. But many of us LOVE Sense, just like you, Nils. And we love what you have brought to the Rezound.
If you need to go, I get it. But please don't think you are unloved here. This place will be lonely without you. Thank you for everything you've done for this community.
Please keep us posted if you have a change of heart, or move on to a different platform. Take care, sir. And thank you again for all you've done.
Scott
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AGREED!
I ran both of his ROMS and although I'm not running one of them now, I was EAGERLY awaiting his next release for either one of his versions and would have switched back in a heartbeat. His work is always rock solid and he is one of the most responsive developers out here. Nils, as a regular subscriber I wanted to to say THANKS again for your hard work. Hope to see you soon!
He states that there are more than enough developers, and lack of interest in his roms, while also stating that certain devs were not thanking him for his mods. I think your claim of, oh i am so tired of the childishness and rudeness is bogus and you should be flamed for starting a thread like this. If you are gonna be mad at anyone be mad at the devs who did not thank him. If you want to cry publicly you have the right to do so but understand your broad statement should be more focused on those who did not thank him instead of people being childish.
Isn't it funny how just a few months ago the complaint(s) were about a lack of devs, and now you can't go through the 1st page in the dev section without tripping over a new ROM. Not saying it's bad, good, or other; just an observation. I did not run NilsP's roms but I didn't have to, to know they were solid, with a reputation like he had. It sucks when any established dev leaves.
Thanks for all your work, Nils.
RoyHinkley said:
Well said.
I, too, was anxiously awaiting an update to an already great ROM. There are only two Sense 4 ROM that work reliably with all the functions that I need to work and that don't feel "dated", Business Sense and OnE XxX. I know many people are charmed by the snake but I've seen bug reports in that thread that I haven't seen or experienced in the other two. In fairness, maybe I should try it before I judge it but since I've been running Nils ROM I've haven't felt compelled to try anything else.
You think he left because of no activity in his threads? Read his posts more closely, I don't think that is the whole story.
As far as no activity, read the other threads. Most posts are because this or that doesn't work. You don't see as much of that here because people just download it and go. Then his thread gets buried because of the sudden proliferation of ROMs on the new leak and the recent developments in ASOP and that makes it worse. There seem to be quite a few dev wannabes in here now who are enjoying a little bit of attention. Don't get me wrong, I think it's great that there are new people getting into ROM building and I know all of them have much more experience and expertise than I do. However, some of them need to learn some manners and have some respect for the experienced devs (maybe it's not so much the new devs as it is their fan base).
Just an opinion from some one watching from the sidelines.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Let's not trash the "snake" without ever trying it, I've been running it for weeks with ZERO problems, it's an amazing ROM
apophis9283 said:
He states that there are more than enough developers, and lack of interest in his roms, while also stating that certain devs were not thanking him for his mods. I think your claim of, oh i am so tired of the childishness and rudeness is bogus and you should be flamed for starting a thread like this. If you are gonna be mad at anyone be mad at the devs who did not thank him. If you want to cry publicly you have the right to do so but understand your broad statement should be more focused on those who did not thank him instead of people being childish.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
If I offended you, I apologize. Yes, it is a broad statement based on what I've read in many posts in many threads on xda, especially the Rezound section, not just on Nils leaving. People using his work and not even acknowledging him is a part, and I think a big part, of what I'm talking about. There's not much cordiality left in these forums, people are too quick to dismiss and demean (yes, I think that is childish and rude as is not thanking some one when using their work). Look at what happened to Micromod when he posted his leaked OTA.
Did I just want to rant a little? As some one who reads much but posts very little, yes I did. Am I upset? I wouldn't say I'm upset. In the grand scheme of things this is more of just a mild annoyance.
jawiler said:
Let's not trash the "snake" without ever trying it, I've been running it for weeks with ZERO problems, it's an amazing ROM
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I didn't mean to trash ViperROM, I was just saying I read about bugs that I didn't have in the other two. From what I've read it also has more features than the other two.
And nils was one of the only "cool"] ones. Smh.
Synergized GS3
RoyHinkley said:
If I offended you, I apologize. Yes, it is a broad statement based on what I've read in many posts in many threads on xda, especially the Rezound section, not just on Nils leaving. People using his work and not even acknowledging him is a part, and I think a big part, of what I'm talking about. There's not much cordiality left in these forums, people are too quick to dismiss and demean (yes, I think that is childish and rude as is not thanking some one when using their work). Look at what happened to Micromod when he posted his leaked OTA.
Did I just want to rant a little? As some one who reads much but posts very little, yes I did. Am I upset? I wouldn't say I'm upset. In the grand scheme of things this is more of just a mild annoyance.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I am not debating that childishness occurs, I am just stating that there is no evidence from what I can find that, that's why he left. He states that devs were not thanking him for his work. I have always admired NILS as he is one of the most amazing devs I have ever come across. I too would be pissed if people couldnt do something as simple as give me credit for my work that I had put hours, days and weeks into it. Am I sad to see him leave, hell yes. I had talked to NILS way back in the day when I first got my Rezound and he is as nice as they come. He will be missed more than he knows.
mbarry55 said:
Isn't it funny how just a few months ago the complaint(s) were about a lack of devs, and now you can't go through the 1st page in the dev section without tripping over a new ROM. Not saying it's bad, good, or other; just an observation. I did not run NilsP's roms but I didn't have to, to know they were solid, with a reputation like he had. It sucks when any established dev leaves.
Thanks for all your work, Nils.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think having new devs is great, it just seems that some of the established devs aren't being treated with the respect they deserve. I may be way off base here - it could just be the natural progression of the developement community. This is just my opinion on what I've observed and I don't see everything and I don't know what goes on in private.
All I should have said is Nils, I wish you the best but I hope you change your mind and come back. There are plenty of people here who appreciate and respect your work.
RoyHinkley said:
I think having new devs is great, it just seems that some of the established devs aren't being treated with the respect they deserve. I may be way off base here - it could just be the natural progression of the developement community. This is just my opinion on what I've observed and I don't see everything and I don't know what goes on in private.
All I should have said is Nils, I wish you the best but I hope you change your mind and come back. There are plenty of people here who appreciate and respect your work.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ooc, what respect should they be getting differently? Everyone appreciates and clicks thanks etc. And they became xda rock gods. Then some moved on and became humble and nice to new phones.. Then the cycle repeats. Not starting anything, just genuinely curious.
Synergized GS3
hello to all who wants a read lol..
ok so i find my self in a bit of a situation, the amount of roms what i have flashed to my s3 is unreal.
i find my self keep swapping and changing. but yet i still cant work out witch is the best rom for me.
ok see here is the two best roms witch work for me, obviously you will all have your views lol.
first 1 is the DragonICS_Rebirth_V3.3 for this its smooth battery friendly and i like some of the tweaks in the rom.
2nd for me is IOIDROID supersmoth v3. witch also is very nice and smooth, nice tweaks and so on but this has had some nice tweats witch get me better speeds with my net...
like i say this is just my view and i have flashed a fair few roms but if you have a favorite rom please comment and share with me.
i do appreciate what each and every developer has and is still doing for the famous galaxy S3, (sold 20 mil in 100 day by the way lol)
hope:victory: to hear from you all soooon
Best ROM/kernel threads are forbidden here, even discussing about what ROM/kernel is best, since it's up to one another to try each ROM and make up their own minds about it.
Reported, and this will be banned shortly.
Have a nice weekend.
Theshawty said:
Best ROM/kernel threads are forbidden here, even discussing about what ROM/kernel is best, since it's up to one another to try each ROM and make up their own minds about it.
Reported, and this will be banned shortly.
Have a nice weekend.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
oh sorry my bad. is this in the READ FIRST or t&c's lol. if so i dint know so i apologise for that..
dj-suicide said:
oh sorry my bad. is this in the READ FIRST or t&c's lol. if so i dint know so i apologise for that..
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's common consensus between the mods and us. Don't know if it's somewhere up for reading, but now you know.
basically it's unfair on devs and Rom creators to set them up against each other in faux competition, if a Rom suits you great....if not then try another. All Roms deserve respect, as do their creators, so it's not really a matter for public discussion in the forums....if you have a problem with a Rom then discuss it in the Rom thread, likewise, if you want to shower praise on a developer, do it in his thread....just a matter of respect and common decency really
slaphead20 said:
basically it's unfair on devs and Rom creators to set them up against each other in faux competition, if a Rom suits you great....if not then try another. All Roms deserve respect, as do their creators, so it's not really a matter for public discussion in the forums....if you have a problem with a Rom then discuss it in the Rom thread, likewise, if you want to shower praise on a developer, do it in his thread....just a matter of respect and common decency really
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well, there's no best ROM since it's a too personal question. A ROM I like might be one the next guy hates.
Theshawty said:
Well, there's no best ROM since it's a too personal question. A ROM I like might be one the next guy hates.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Totally agree:thumbup:
Thread closed, there is no such thing as a "best" rom, read and make your mind up for yourself.
Yes yes, this is a life story thread, but I want to chronicle how far we have come in the last few months, and the incredible teamwork this community has.
Around march, I got my Galaxy Player for the first time. With the galssy eyes of a techno geek unwrapping his new gadgets, I tore open the box, and beheld my shiny new toy, something, which I did now know at the time, that would take me far beyond my wildest dreams of technical success. Of course I bricked it withing the first 3 hours, "accidentally" deleting ALL the dalvik control settings from build.prop, and not having adb installed at the time, or even knowing what the heck Odin was, spent a merry 7-8 hours trying to get my prized posession back to it's stock state. I probably repartitioned and flash over 50 times that night, which was also when I flashed the INTL bootloader off of zaclimon's thread (little knowing that I would have a healthy partnership with him in just a few months), and thet next morning, I was back in business.
Of course I crack-flashed ALL the rom's there were for the 4.0 at the time. Klin's klassic, steve's, rooted stock, whatever I could find. I just couldn't help but feel slightly depressed that there wasn't really much of a dev presence for my new device, and I was more the enviously eyeing the 5.0's ICS builds. So I lurked for a few months, pondering whether I should even activate my dormant XDA account, scared that I was just too much of a noob to actually get help.
One day though, I took the plunge. I decided that I was going to try and get my feet wet in this "xda" thing, and maybe browse general, helping the occaisonal user in distress. Just 1 day later, I posted my first contribution thread, without even having 10 posts! The tweak guide for the Player, how proud I was of it. All the nice tweaks I had enjoyed on my TF and had discovered for my Gplayer, all there for my own personal quick applying.
2 days after that, I began asking klin1344 about ICS, as reading through some threads, I thought I heard some rumours about a secret underground build that may have been surfacing, as well as whether or not SGS (what is that?) tweaks can be used on our player. He pleasantly responded with the fact that no, there was no ICS, and he had never considered using SGS tweaks. Would I like to be his dev partner?
I will not lie to you, this FLOORED me. Little me, the noob who had maybe had is Gplayer for 2 weeks, and barely knew his way around the terminal, being asked by a dev to help him? Easily one of the proudest moments of my XDA career. I signed up immedately, we began discussing, and ended up coming to a mutual agreement that partnering may not be the best idea, as we both had differing opinions on what should constitute a ROM. He was going to let me support Klassic (my favorite rom), and he was going to start a SGSII themed rom (which turned into ICY fusion.
With joy in my heart, I learned the basics I needed from him (such as DD) and began applying all the tweaks I had from my tweaks thread into this rom. I decided to rename it "stratusrom", and include multiple releases. One beta, one weekly, and one stable. This was nixed completely as soon as I learned how hard devving could be, and after a few false starts that long time forum members will remember, and renaming it "stratusrom" and eventually "etherealrom" (hence the celestially-named projects that I am related to, if you guys wanted to know), I began devving. Not much happened here, I released a few iterations, guiding hands such as daniel644 and the dev zaclimon provided their amazing help to the poor little dev who could (me), trying to make a decent rom. At one point, I had a falling out with Klin (whcih I am sure most of you remember, that was a scary night for me, the little dev, being whaled on full-force by a senior-class dev, with both us us threatening to remove our work), but let's not dig up old bones. Long story short, I rethemed my rom, made it not-klassic, and just worked on it until about mid-july.
In the meantime, I was releasing a whole slew of threads documenting my research. Who knew that SGS roms could be easily ported, and that rom creation wasn't scary? I had a blast finding all of these things out, and even gained a small following during this time, as most development had died off, with klin never really getting his heart back into 4.0 development, tdm leaving, and Balor leaving his kernel for good.
Then it happened. I decided to spearhead an ICS initiative (as at the point, while I didn't even know what a compiler was, thought I was knowledgable enought to start something like that), to finally get it working. Ah, the good old days. Me, neyodmiun and zaclimon, swapping ideas, with the occaissonal user popping in to offer advice or to comment on our progress. Around this time, I also began getting support questions, and as I answered them nicely, and genuinely tried to help them beyond the normal "find my help post" and no response afterwards, and ended up getting a reputation as being someone who wouldn't blow off noobs (not that I am accusing anyone of doing so, but I know that some devs do not take users seriously at all). zaclimon offered up the idea of hiring a freelance dev, and that was ultimately accepted as our plan. Enter Oisis.
This is where most of you guys will know me from. With Oisis on board, we booted ICS on august 13th, and were in business after that. I formed a team aptly named "TeamSuperNova", and got to work learning what the heck GCC was, and where the vendor folder went. What's github again?
Not much to tell from here, as the rest is just history.
I want to thank everyone on XDA for making this journey possible. From klin1344, and zaclimon, to goldflame, and all the other users to have taken on the excellent role of support, so that we can work on what really matters, I think I, no WE have accomplished what we wanted. While our entire community is very small, we are all united as a TEAM, working together like clockwork. Some new user has an issue with cm9? The support team is on it right away, and we normally have their issues sorted out in a few hours. Someone wants to start development? Zaclimon, me, or any of the other devs quickly pop in and give them some advice on where to start, and some resources to use. Any PM that I get, however noobish or "silly" it seems, I answer, and most of the time I actually get it resolved. So don't be afraid to speak up and give your opinion or ask for help. That's what we all are here for. To help, and contribute, as much as we can.
Thank you XDA, users, and everyone for making all of this possible. Now that my speech is over, feel free to put up your own personal story, or just discuss.
Where did you actually start to learn to dev? I've been wanting to start and I asked Meticulus (if you remember him, he was part of the old dev family) and all he told me was "Read a lot " Not the best answer.
Sent from my YP-G70 using xda app-developers app
You are a great example of what xda members should be like, I also would like to try to follow in your footsteps as I just got my sgp two weeks ago to !
thank you hanthesolo for all your great work!
EcHoFiiVe said:
Where did you actually start to learn to dev? I've been wanting to start and I asked Meticulus (if you remember him, he was part of the old dev family) and all he told me was "Read a lot " Not the best answer.
Sent from my YP-G70 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Well quite honestly, I just picked it up here and there. Devving isn't really something you "pick up overnight", or read a how to on. Essentially the best way to learn how to dev, is to do something horrible to one of your devices, and then try to fix it . I can't tell you how much I learned when I bricked my player for the first time. What's Odin? You mean cwm installs WITH the kernel? Just take you're time, try and Google anything you may have questions about, and ask devas anytime you have a problem (hopefully in pm). Other than that, my ROM creation guide may help you get started (although I really need to clean it up), and once you feel confident enough to start compiling, pop me a pm, and I will be happy to guide you through any questions you may have.
spartacus279 said:
You are a great example of what xda members should be like, I also would like to try to follow in your footsteps as I just got my sgp two weeks ago to !
thank you hanthesolo for all your great work!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the compliment! I HATE it when devs get a superiority complex over their users, and basically refuse to talk to them/help them, or do so in an extremely condescending way, which hurts the community more than it helps, especially a small one like this.
To start revving, just refer to my response above, and pop me a pm whenever you need any help .
I've hard bricked my Player twice and I guess I know how to recover from any situation, I know all the things and headaches associated with bricking a player and such. But thanks for your reply!
Sent from my YP-G70 using xda app-developers app
First off, my apologies if a similar thread has already been posted. I have never seen one. I'm creating this thread to try to stress the importance of reading the OP's and entire threads of any ROM or MOD or any topics for that matter. Many questions that you may have, probably have already been answered within those threads. Redundant questions clog threads and hamper development discussion. Even if it may take a bit of time to read an entire thread, it will benefit everyone involved if you do. Our development community is incredibly rich with talent and skills and we, the users and flashers are most grateful to the developers for the time and knowledge they share with us. So please, keep threads clear by carefully reading instructions and trying to find any issues you may be having listed within the thread itself. Reading is beneficial, trust me. Again, if a similar thread has already been posted, I ask that the moderators remove this. I've just seen way too many questions posted repeatedly in all the threads I follow. After all, you will increase your own skill level by reading about all issues, even if you aren't currently experiencing it. Thanks to all who keep our devices updated and interesting.
EVOlved human
+1
Sent from my EVO using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
[RANT]This user base. Aka the EVO LTE forums.
Why don't we start worrying about us and not them? They don't want to deal with XDA anymore ATM so just leave them be. Don't mention their names just pretend that this is a new device and we ourselves have to figure stuff out on our own. Got a question? SEARCH&READ, can't find it? Post a thread in Q&A. Mentioning them and talking about them isn't going to solve the cancer/problems you guys are. Not everyone is a problem just you guys make everything a problem. Try looking for your problem for a good 10 minutes on Google or XDA's Search Function. Not that hard people. I believe this is XDA-DEVELOPERS not the discuss about off topic things and what not. You got something useful post it here. If not don't post at all or if the thread have a Q&A post it there. If you got a question...again READ&SEARCH and don't ask it in here. If any ROM thread has a Q&A post it there. I think their problem with you guys is that most of us are just users and don't contribute anything and act like we care what's going on all you guys do is ask questions without even researching. Don't PM for your problems search it up or PM someone who isn't a Dev. For example say Corporal_modernback (lol example here) is the dev of the Rom you're using. DON'T PM THEM FOR LITTLE QUESTIONS LIKE "HEY HOW DO YOU FIX THIS TOGGLE OR HOW DO YOU GET YOUR PHONE TO DO TRIANGLES" PM THEM if you got a useful thing that they might need. If not them ask someone like me. I'm tired of seeing all this goodbye bull****. No offense to Captain and Sin but this is getting out of the line and YOU GUYS (THE PUBLIC/THE USERS) SHOULD START DOING S*** AND STOP BEING SPOILED PANSIES AND STOP EXPECTING **** TO BE DONE FOR YOU.
Thing is the devs here have lives. They're not robots on the computer that make these cool roms just for you.
Just my two cents. Feelings are welcomed.
Deleted to help clean up the mod edit.
EVOlved human
atheistevofreak said:
I agree and I posted a similar thread, a little less assertive, a week ago.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2657328
EVOlved human
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
dsEVOlve said:
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I must admit, I LOL'd.
EVOlved human
atheistevofreak said:
I must admit, I LOL'd.
EVOlved human
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
dsEVOlve said:
So you're saying he should have searched before posting?
I kid. I kid.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hahaha I thought that too. But I'm not looking for a thread.
Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk
I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.
akaTRAP said:
I'd like to think I'm not too much of a noob since I'm not "scared" of technology & modifying things I "shouldn't be touching". I can't count how many times I tried to dual-boot Windows and Linux, and completely scrap the former for the latter (fun times)...........................but I'm still trying to figure out what's the point of flashing a kernel
But even being a noob to cell phones and rooting/flashing them, XDA is laid out well enough for someone that can at least understand new technological things quickly to be able to know what's going on with their phone and what they can/can't do and should/shouldn't do to it to achieve what they want.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
Sent from my HTCONE
n some cases the documentation is very wild and very on-the-go. Documentation is built over time and usually doesn't start off very well and can put-off certain users. Though that's not the problem.
What users need to understand that these development ROMs are not what you'd call a real release build. You're essentially testing everything that comes out... and that means it will have bugs. These ROMs, until "stable," are not plug and play type solutions. You are there to work with it and fix things. It always happens.
Change these user's mindset because that is the root cause. They think they're getting something that will be 100% what they want. It's not.
thicklizard said:
A custom kernel will unleash extra features for your device. First thing I flash is a custom kernel
Sent from my HTCONE
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
akaTRAP said:
Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You're totally preaching to the wrong choir.
Sent from my EVO using xda premium
akaTRAP said:
Honestly, unless it greatly improves battery life, I'm not exactly concerned with the other benefits lol. I'm not necessarily needing an overclocked CPU.
However if a kernel makes a 4.4.x ROM more stable, then please let me know so I can flash one immediately
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.
aarsyl said:
I'm not sure that you even understand why the kernels improve battery life. Custom kernels have much much more to bring to the table that simple overclocking, which is also something that most people do not do anymore since we don't have many single core decides these days.
Most kernels focus first on increasing performance. But by getting good performance, you get optimization from the processors, which results in better battery life (Intellidemand governor, anyone?).
If you want to greatly improve battery life, underclock your phone. You don't need a custom kernel to do that. But your phone will certainly suffer the speed differential that ours with custom kernels will not.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed too many people think all a custom kernel does is oc the the cpu. They don't understand the features they provide. S2w, USB fast charge, better cpu governors(better battery life), better io schedulers, build optimizations, etc...
Sent from my HTCONE
Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
2 pennies.
Mike Boogie said:
Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
2 pennies.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Very well said. Kudos.
EVOlved human
Mike Boogie said:
Ok, back on topic for a sec...
I have been holding my tongue and just sitting back watching all of the shenanigans that have been going down between Dev's and Noobs both. Honestly, I'm going to say that both parties are to blame in some fashion. (More on that in a second...)
As you can see my post count is not very high here. I have lurked...and read...and learned...and flashed...and broke things...read some more...and fixed even more things. With everything I have learned from this "amazing" community, I have been able to make my EVOLTE do some really truly amazing things. Some people have gone out of their way to help and make sure that the XDA-experience is a good one. Some, on the other hand have not... That happens with every forum in existance. There will be jerks, trolls, noobs, fools, and people who just wont use the search function, RTFM, etc.
There are "other" forums available that have a lot of info about Android development, none IMHO that happen to be as organized and concise as XDA. The down-side is that XDA has gotten a reputation for being full of pretentious as$holes. We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
My experience has been lukewarm at best. I, for one, know that I know almost nothing about dev'ing. I would love to learn more but between age, having a family, work (2 jobs BTW), I probably won't be able to just "RTFM" for dev'ing. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
In closing, I just want to say I know the Dev's are busy! @chubbzlou @Captain_Throwback @Sinistertensai @FinZ28 This hard work is not unappreciated in any way guys and THANK YOU!
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
2 pennies.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
People all over XDA pm me with question on how to port and ask for advice I am more than willing to help out anyone if they want to learn. I don't mind answering question about anything just I do get annoyed when ppl ask the same question that has been answered many time in the thread or question about issue because they are coming from cm rom to sense rom and flash with out wiping and complaining about FCs. I agree us Dev's do take it a little too far but ppl need to understand that we get frustrated about non sense. We do this for fun but it's starting to feel like and old toy that out live it's use.
If you are willing to learn and have sometime pm with any question you like.
Mike Boogie said:
. Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
There are numerous threads in the xda general section and also if you use Google many times it will point you to a different device forum on xda that will have a "how to" thread that had nothing to do with that specific device. There is more info out there than you could possibly read.
It's just not all in this devices forum. Which it doesn't need to be.
Sent from my EVO using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
chubbzlou said:
If you are willing to learn and have sometime pm with any question you like.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I certainly will, whenever that time arrives.
_______________________________________
Phone: HTC EVO 4G LTE
Sense 5, S-Off
Tablet: ASUS Nexus 7.2
Rooted, Custom Rom & Kernel
_______________________________________
Mike Boogie said:
We've all heard it at least once... "XDA sucks, no one helps anyone, they hate noobs, etc." I digress...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
As with anything in life, we remember the bad much longer then we do the good. With a bazillion members, we are bound to have a few that know how to invoke bad reactions
Another thing that most don't care to think about is that maybe some of us that are uninitiated WOULD LIKE TO LEARN MORE. But AFAIK there are no threads specifically for EDUCATING us that want to learn more about how these devices work. (I'd love to see some)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
XDA University
Now, I may cut a bit deep here but here goes... This topic probably has been brought up due to the questions popping up all over the Sense5.5 dev thread. I think I may know why since I watched it unravel. When the thread was created, there was of course the standard disclaimer, (Broke it? Your fault, not mine) the download link, and the normal reserved posts for extra documentation.
Aside from that, the Q & A that is now posted, was copied from another thread AFTER I was shamed by @Sinistertensai for simply asking a question that WAS NOT posted in the thread YET!
Thankfully @FinZ28 and others created a thread just for Q/A. A thread I have yet to post in because I get all of my questions usually answer by searching threads. (That would also explain my tiny post count...)
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
We mods are always here. While we may not answer in a timely fashion, suitable for some, we too are only human and get to peoples reports ASAP. Please always use the report button when you feel the ground comming out from beneath you. @FinZ28 is one of XDAs shinning examples of a Recognized Contributor. he gained his stripes by helping. Without the RC group, there would be much more chaos then what you have encountered.
I would love to learn more about how you all work your magic on these phones. I just don't want to get treated like a prick for asking a dumb question. The dumbest questions are the one's that are never asked.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm sorry you feel this way. It's a rarity of Devs (now a day) to determine the capability of any user.
Now consider the average 10 - 15y/o that comes in and demands attention (this of course never happens) and the end run is, had they read the slightest, they would have found an answer. Sadly today, this is the norm on XDA! That is what our Developers deal with.
While some Devs can be harsh or down right immature, we are here to try and keep the peace between the fractions.
And let me end with these parting words... Do not take offense to this, but see the humor XDA back in the 4 million member realm