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Engadget "When we reviewed the Sony Xperia Z Ultra, it was with the C6802, a HSPA+ model devoid of LTE bands. However, it seems that a speedy 4G version of the handset will arrive stateside soon, if this recent FCC listing is any indication. The document shows what is clearly the Sony Xperia Z Ultra, but with AT&T-compatible HSPA+ and LTE on board. This means it's likely the C6806, the handset's North American cousin, all set up to take advantage of Ma Bell's super-fast network. It doesn't look like there's too much else differentiating it from the international model however, so we'd take a gander at the review one more time to decide if it belongs on our wish list."
It would be very unfortunate with a branded Ultra since it would mean a crippled device with a crippled radio.
The C6806 standard edition offers both AT&T, T-Mobile and European bands (some slight differences there though, the 6806 has the 700 and the 6833 the 800 band).
So an unlocked C6806 is great but if Sony let a carrier fiddle with it, I guess that a couple of LTE bands will be removed (see what T-Mobile did with the Xperia Z C6606).
The best solution would be that Sony sells the Ultra unlocked through Sony Store - the C6806 that is. AT&T et al branding, bloatware and locked bootloader would destroy a magnificent device.
coming from a LTE ATT device to this, i can tell you, I DO NOT EVEN MISS LTE. for music,youtube,web,email,fb,cloud storage i do not see any difference
I was originally on the galaxy S3 with LTE, and switched over to a note 2 unlocked non LTE and sure, my speedtest scores aren't as high, and my downloads aren't as fast, but unless you're visiting some super graphic heavy site, it's not a huge diff. Plus LTE drains battery faster I believe. On a battery draining device such as the Ultra, you definitely won't want LTE constantly draining the battery. Especially if you're not on unlimited data.
I wish the C6806 was sold unlocked, but that's probably the Tmo version - which means they'll lock out a certain LTE band (700)
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I wish the C6806 was sold unlocked, but that's probably the Tmo version - which means they'll lock out a certain LTE band (700)
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You know, Negri Electronics has the C6806 up for pre-order.
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You know, Negri Electronics has the C6806 up for pre-order.
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For what it's worth, Negri also had the Xperia Z NAM edition (6606) up for pre-order, and that is nowhere to be found except on T-Mobile.
I hope I'm wrong, but with Sony signing an agreement w/ TMo, I don't expect LTE devices to be sold unlocked by them in the US anytime soon.
The positive side is that if the C6806 is destroyed by a carrier, the C6833 will work in the US since it has the T-Mobile bands and can use AT&T albeit without the 700 band.
So an option in a worst case scenario is to get the C6833 imported for those that demand LTE.
Unlike the Xperia Z, the C6806 and C6833 are pentaband like the C6802 and offers LTE in addition. The C6833 should therefore be an adequate option for US customers if the C6806 is messed up.
I am still hoping that Sony will sell the C6806 unlocked in the Sony Store but the C6833 is a perfectly adequate option.
Personally, the lack of VoLTE made me skip the LTE versions in favor of the C6802. Streaming videos etc isn't really an option on US capped plans and the HSPA+ speeds I got on the 6802 is very adequate for browsing, navigation, picture uploads etc.
I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
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I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
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Sony sold the Xperia ZL LTE unlocked on their website, they might do the same for this phone as well, at least i hope that's going to be the case.
Funk2641 said:
I dunno, with the cost of C6833, I'd like the ability to use LTE with ATT.
It's kind of a no-win situation, since the C6833 will be available unlocked but without the 700 band, and the C6806 will be available but gimped.
bah
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How do you know that? I wasn't under the impression that any US carriers were likely to pick this device up.
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How do you know that? I wasn't under the impression that any US carriers were likely to pick this device up.
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It's rumored that Tmo might pick it up, since they have a exclusivity deal with Sony. Just speculation.
so currently the device will work fine on both ATT & Tmobile with HSPA+ right?
just no LTE
Z C6806 with LTE being sold for $630.00
http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Son...-PURPLE.HTML?gclid=CPKFspmmkLkCFSVgMgodMW0AAQ
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cenkaetaya said:
so currently the device will work fine on both ATT & Tmobile with HSPA+ right?
just no LTE
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Correct - I have a Lumia 1020 and the Ultra Z C6802 on ATT. Here's some speedtests for you:
Ultra Z in HSPA (not even HSPA+) is getting 6Mb down, 2 Mb up
1020 in LTE gets 15Mb down, 11 Mb up
Despite the desparity, I don't notice that much difference in surfing. - not to mention the Z feels the fastest of any device used since the original Moto Xoom overclocked to 2GHz
Hope this helps!
I ran a SpeedTest yesterday and got a download of 8.3 Mbit/s on the AT&T network with HSPA+ and Straight Talk. A few minutes before, I ran another SpeedTest on the new Motorola Droid Razr Ultra and got... 3.5 Mbit/s - that's on Verizon 4G LTE.
So I am certainly very happy with the speeds I got on the Ultra in the center of Manhattan (the tests has been made near Grand Central).
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Z C6806 with LTE being sold for $630.00
http://www.welectronics.com/gsm/Son...-PURPLE.HTML?gclid=CPKFspmmkLkCFSVgMgodMW0AAQ
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Great deal for sure. Anybody ever done any business with them? If not I'd probably be more comfortable buying from Negri.
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The positive side is that if the C6806 is destroyed by a carrier, the C6833 will work in the US since it has the T-Mobile bands and can use AT&T albeit without the 700 band.
So an option in a worst case scenario is to get the C6833 imported for those that demand LTE.
Unlike the Xperia Z, the C6806 and C6833 are pentaband like the C6802 and offers LTE in addition. The C6833 should therefore be an adequate option for US customers if the C6806 is messed up.
I am still hoping that Sony will sell the C6806 unlocked in the Sony Store but the C6833 is a perfectly adequate option.
Personally, the lack of VoLTE made me skip the LTE versions in favor of the C6802. Streaming videos etc isn't really an option on US capped plans and the HSPA+ speeds I got on the 6802 is very adequate for browsing, navigation, picture uploads etc.
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That's interesting... Looks like the C6833 is MUCH more compatible with North American frequencies than the C6603 was.
C6603 (Euro LTE Xperia Z) lacked UMTS1700 and UMTS1900 support, which meant no 3G at all on T-Mo and 3G only where AT&T had UMTS850 service.
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That's interesting... Looks like the C6833 is MUCH more compatible with North American frequencies than the C6603 was.
C6603 (Euro LTE Xperia Z) lacked UMTS1700 and UMTS1900 support, which meant no 3G at all on T-Mo and 3G only where AT&T had UMTS850 service.
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Sony took the decision to use a top notch LTE radio in order to overcome the old limitations that plagued LTE devices until now. The only thing I don't like is the lack of VoLTE and it is one of the reasons why I went with the C6802 instead of following the original C6833 plan.
The only band missing on the C6833 is the 700 one, otherwise it should work nicely in the US meaning that it is a great option if it would end badly for the C6806 (i.e. carrier branding, removed bands and locked bootloader).
These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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Good question. I'd like to know as well. You can def unlock the TMO and ATT GSM versions and pop each others SIM's in I doubt it's the same for CDMA versions.
Isn't the bootloader on the TMO unlocked?
ookba said:
Good question. I'd like to know as well. You can def unlock the TMO and ATT GSM versions and pop each others SIM's in I doubt it's the same for CDMA versions.
Isn't the bootloader on the TMO unlocked?
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I'm curious as well if these phones are unique to each carrier due to the model numbers specifically can verizons work on tmobile & att
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These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?
Because it looks like they all use simcard.
Samsung SM-G900F - for Europe
Samsung SM-G900I - for Asia
Samsung SM-G900K/G900L/G900S - for Korea
Samsung SM-G900M - for Vodafone
Samsung SM-G900A - for AT&T
Samsung SM-G900T - for T-Mobile
Samsung SM-G900V - for Verizon
Samsung SM-G900R4 - for US Cellular
Samsung SM-G900P - for Sprint
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I know this is an old thread and I'm sure you have your answer by now, but I have seen others asking the same, so I hope this helps
900s and 900k are GSM 900l is CDMA
Samsung SM-G900K - for Korea Telecom
Samsung SM-G900S - for SK Telecom
Samsung SM-G900L - for LG U+
Well the g900t works fine on AT&T with the exception of lte. Not sure why it's not supported considering the g900t supports all the same bands ad g900a... I suppose it is a firmware issue
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strker45 said:
Well the g900t works fine on AT&T with the exception of lte. Not sure why it's not supported considering the g900t supports all the same bands ad g900a... I suppose it is a firmware issue
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LTE works fine on the 900T using AT&T's network. I answered this in your other thread. I'm currently using a 900T with AT&T's service, getting full LTE.
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These models, do they all work on diff carries network? What I mean is, can I bring a Tmo to Verizon to ATT ... etc?t
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The short answer is no. First you divide the phones into two groups; GSM and CDMA which are incompatible networks, apart from limited overlap on the data side. Note that Sprint in particular, locks down their CDMA phones pretty tight so that it is very difficult to use them on other networks, particularly competing domestic CDMA carriers.
GSM phones, at least the higher end models like the S5 are multi band and will work on pretty much all GSM networks. However each model is optimized for a given carrier's frequencies. So your phone may roam or (if unlocked) accept a SIM from another network, it probably won't work on all of the frequencies of the other network. The effect of that may not be much in a dense urban area, perhaps a little more network congestion or slower data speeds. But in fringe areas served by only one frequency, it could mean no coverage for the foreign handset.
The TMobile model is one of the best, generally speaking, in that it is capable of operating on more frequency bands than most other models. However what is best is subjective depending on where you want to use it and what model you have in hand. The Samsung support site lists the frequency bands that each variant will work on and you can see that they vary between carriers.
Interestingly it appears that the GSM S5's are manufactured with the hardware capability to operate on all GSM and LTE bands. But the different models only enable the frequencies used on the native carrier. Which is to say marketing (or by a real stretch, perhaps cost saving) initiatives are locking us out of better roaming capabilities.
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The Asian models do not have LTE antenna on them.
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LTE works fine on the 900T using AT&T's network. I answered this in your other thread. I'm currently using a 900T with AT&T's service, getting full LTE.
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+1 to this. Am using TMo S5 on AT&T and am getting LTE.
I'm not quite sure what you meant by that statement. The Korean S5s all have LTE and with the Galaxy F being released in a few weeks there is also LTE-A.
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2ndcarpenter said:
I'm not quite sure what you meant by that statement. The Korean S5s all have LTE and with the Galaxy F being released in a few weeks there is also LTE-A.
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Not all markets have LTE. Maybe Korea has. Countries like India don't yet have. It could also be that the bands being supported cos adding each band adds to phone cost.
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The Asian models do not have LTE antenna on them.
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That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae.
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That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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There is until HSPDA/4G. But no LTE.
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That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae.
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The reason I gave for that is 'cos I know S3 in Americas version had 2 cores and LTE, wherein Asia version had 4 cores and no LTE. Maybe things changed in S5.
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fffft said:
That's a sweeping statment. And incorrect. Some asian phones may not use LTE, but many asian countries like Japan, Korea, Phillipines, Australia, etc do have LTE antennae
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The reason I gave for that is 'cos I know S3 in Americas version had 2 cores and LTE, wherein Asia version had 4 cores and no LTE. Maybe things changed in S5.
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Well again what you say is only correct for certain countries in asia. Not to single you out but there is a lot of misinformation, usually assumptions on this subject and it's productive to clarify the facts.
There were both LTE and non-LTE versions of the Exynos (4 core) S3. The GT-I9300[N/T], SHV-E210K/L/S and SGH-N035 had 4 cores and LTE and the GT-I9300[N] had 4 cores without LTE support. Not to mention that various asian counties like Japan and Australia use the dual core Qualcomm S3 with LTE. So it's not as clearly delineated as you believe.
You also suggested that it costs more to add additional frequency band support to a S5 variant. But this isn't so because the S5 uses WRL-1625 transceiver chipset which has unified support for all GSM and LTE bands. So it costs nothing extra in hardware to add additional bands.
One could argue that omitting secondary parts such as an antenna in a variant intended for a region that doesn't use LTE at all (if such exists) could make unified support moot. But the reality is that increased manufacturing and logistical costs of changing the hardware provisioning on variant handsets is usually prohibitive. It's generally believed that band limitations between variants reside in firmware with the purpose of detering grey market sales and carrier churn.
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That's interesting. I was unaware. So EDGE would be the high speed data there I suppose?
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No, most of the non-LTE asian carriers are using HSPA+ networks which are considerably faster than Edge. The faster HSPA+ implentations are characterized as 42 Mbps networks, which is as fast as some LTE footprints. Advanced LTE rollouts however can double those speeds.
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I had several people ask me about real world LTE speeds. All I can say is that speeds are highly dependent on carrier networks and will vary considerably between carriers and quite a bit by location as well. One LTE network might see speeds < 5 Mbps while another may be twenty times that fast.
I am seeing 60 Mbps typical speeds with my LTE and ~ 90 Mbps with a strong signal in larger cities. Carrier aggregation which is just rolling out now (and supported by the S5) should see some networks achieving 125+ Mbps speeds.
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3 G in europe
Hello! I'm looking for some help.
I got back fron the US with an AT&T galaxy S5 active (SM 870A) and it works well ewcept the 3G. I directly sitch from 4G in urban areas to Edge...
Do you know if I could get 3G with this phone, since it looks likes a software issue?
Thanks
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The short answer is no. First you divide the phones into two groups; GSM and CDMA which are incompatible networks, apart from limited overlap on the data side. Note that Sprint in particular, locks down their CDMA phones pretty tight so that it is very difficult to use them on other networks, particularly competing domestic CDMA carriers.
GSM phones, at least the higher end models like the S5 are multi band and will work on pretty much all GSM networks. However each model is optimized for a given carrier's frequencies. So your phone may roam or (if unlocked) accept a SIM from another network, it probably won't work on all of the frequencies of the other network. The effect of that may not be much in a dense urban area, perhaps a little more network congestion or slower data speeds. But in fringe areas served by only one frequency, it could mean no coverage for the foreign handset.
The TMobile model is one of the best, generally speaking, in that it is capable of operating on more frequency bands than most other models. However what is best is subjective depending on where you want to use it and what model you have in hand. The Samsung support site lists the frequency bands that each variant will work on and you can see that they vary between carriers.
Interestingly it appears that the GSM S5's are manufactured with the hardware capability to operate on all GSM and LTE bands. But the different models only enable the frequencies used on the native carrier. Which is to say marketing (or by a real stretch, perhaps cost saving) initiatives are locking us out of better roaming capabilities.
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Galaxy S5 SM-900M
Supports these Bands:
3G: HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100, 4G: LTE 700 / 850 / 1700 / 1900 / 2100 / 2600 (Bands 1, 2, 4, 5, 7, 17)
Current Baseband Version:
G900MUBU1BOJ2 (Lollipop 5.0)
I'm wanting to roll back to KitKat 4.4.2
Does anyone know for sure if this will work with T-Mobile? It appears to have all the bands to support T-Mobile, but I guess what I'm asking is what firmware do I download if I want to roll it back to KitKat 4.4.2? A link to the firmware would be fantastic.
This is the closest thing I've found for KitKat 4.4.2 on this SM-900M S5 that I have....but it's Uruguay. All the other firmwares are for South American countries too....
Thanks in advance.
i am trying to use a program to retrieve files from a broken screen s5 (model sm-g900v U.S. verizon) but my model isnt listed as compatible and offers the doomsday scenario of bricking it if i continue. Whats the difference if i tell the program im one of the models offered? is there a different program i can use to access my black screen S5 thats not in debugging mode when plugged in? (i plug it in computer now and it doesnt recognize that theres files becuase its in "charge only" mode)
I am trying to buy a z3 tablet and I can only find the international version which is sgp611. Will this work fine in the states ? The Sony sales rep said the states only had white and the international version some apps won't work ? Has anyone tested it out yet?
Mine is SGP621 but works great
I have the SGP621 also been using it for a month and works well on tmo for voice and data
keithquick said:
I am trying to buy a z3 tablet and I can only find the international version which is sgp611. Will this work fine in the states ? The Sony sales rep said the states only had white and the international version some apps won't work ? Has anyone tested it out yet?
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I just got mine this Saturday and it works great with my T-Mobile nano-SIM card. I can confirm that it works on T-Mobile HSPA+ and LTE as well as AT&T. It has a penta band radio both on 3G and 4G givening you the ability to us U.S.A. LTE bands.
So my wife is thinking of flying home for a few weeks next month.
If it turned out cheaper to buy the Gold 64Gb Edge in Korea (which it most probably will be), would it work exactly the same as buying one in the UK. There're no different chip variants for different markets are there?
Also warranty shouldn't be a problem, since there are Samsung Repair centres in the UK anyway, right?
Found out the price...s6 edge 64gb ₩978,000 */ *597pounds
So much cheaper in Korea than England
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Barff1984 said:
Found out the price...s6 edge 64gb ₩978,000 */ *597pounds
So much cheaper in Korea than England
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Well, there are different bands of course. If they all work on your carrier and the other variant is cheaper, then you should give it a try. Korean variants tend to have different things from the international ones. LG G2 from Korea has an antenna so you can watch TV, for example, while international variants don't.
Honestly I don't know if this kind of differences exist between these versions, but as long as I know, some manufacturers if not all, only support the warranty in the country in which it was legally acquired. Maybe in the EU this don't happen, but it did happen to me when I bought a T-Mobile device in the US and I had no support in Mexico for it.
Barff1984 said:
So my wife is thinking of flying home for a few weeks next month.
If it turned out cheaper to buy the Gold 64Gb Edge in Korea (which it most probably will be), would it work exactly the same as buying one in the UK. There're no different chip variants for different markets are there?
Also warranty shouldn't be a problem, since there are Samsung Repair centres in the UK anyway, right?
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Who's your carrier in the UK? Check the bands and see what US variant supports that band. I take it you're with a GSM carrier in the UK?
iunlock said:
Who's your carrier in the UK? Check the bands and see what US variant supports that band. I take it you're with a GSM carrier in the UK?
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I'm with Three Mobile, they use these bands.
2100MHz UMTS/HSDPA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA+ 3G
800MHz LTE (planned)[55] 4G
1800MHz LTE[56] 4G
There is only a Band difference
or a Spec difference in the phone also ?
Thanks
The Korean version might have dmb player, but that's usually all.
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I'm with Three Mobile, they use these bands.
2100MHz UMTS/HSDPA/HSPA+/DC-HSPA+ 3G
800MHz LTE (planned)[55] 4G
1800MHz LTE[56] 4G
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Here are the supported bands of the T-Mobile variant:
Quad Band GSM; LTE: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 17; UMTS: Band I (2100), Band II (1900), Band IV (1700/2100), Band V (850), Band VIII (900)
Therefore, everything should work except the 1800MHz band....
Why would I need to know tmob bands, I'm not getting it in America and I'm not with tmob uk.
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I unlocked my gear s via cellularunlocker.net but my carrier does not recognized by my gear s. Anyone have a solution to this. My idea is that network band does not support. Im using GSM carrier so is there any way that it can be changed? Please help me out. I actually paid $25 to get it unlocked so i dont wont it to go to waste. Thanks alot.
Have you checked if your model supports the bands of the carrier you're trying to use? For e.g. a sim from Canada GSM carrier may not work with an unlocked UK watch.
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hmm seem like it is the problem.. Is there anyway that i can change band in Gear S
No, it is the hardware limitation. You will have to buy another that is designed to work with your region. Basically there are two types of Gear S: one designed for North America, one designed for rest of the world. Neither will work in other region due to dual-band limitation.
Even within North America, there are also CDMA version for CDMA carriers and GSM version for GSM carriers.