coming from a note 1, Im a little shocked to see just how badly compressed the ZU's camera is.. I dont care about the lack of flash, but the colour is terrible and i often cant see a great improvement from VGA res photos to "8mp" (actually apparently only 7mp.. and only 4:3) .. im clinging to the fact that its the jpg compression that is causing the majority of the lacking detail (looks very much like it) and that an update somewhere along the line will let you save as fine quality or ideally TIF / RAW
I haven't actually got the phone yet but have seen a lot of reviews on this topic and they all agree with you... I think your right that they have rushed out the phone to early adopters to beta test if you like before releasing to the western markets. I'm pretty sure there'll be an update with in a month that improves camera, screen issues as well as Sony app crashes.
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It's completely the JPG compression. At 8MP setting, the resolution is 3264x2448. That would be a 22 meg uncompressed file. The photos the ZU takes are 1.5 megs as a JPG. They're way overcompressed and show ridiculous amounts of artifacting. Why do they do this? What year is this? Are we concerned about a 5 meg photo?
My guess is some marketing / support execs decided they didn't want to take support calls for people trying to email a few 5meg JPEGs so they just crank it up to heavily compressed so the files are 1 meg and email easily without any conversion.
I just hate that everything has to be decided based on the lowest common denominator of idiots. Clearly though, that's what's happened here because the camera sensor is probably not bad.
It will be funny when people are all excited to buy Honami because of the 21mp sensor but the final JPGs will be compressed to ****.
Yeah, after 2-3 weeks with this, a coming to love it in general, fact is the camera will have me off to the Note 3... Silly Sony.
Lenovo super camera....a lot better jpg's . Works with xzu.
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Lenovo super camera....a lot better jpg's . Works with xzu.
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i tried this but always got "the camera is in use, close apps using it" .. even directly after a boot.. (I also read reports of v3.5 containing trojans) which version did you try?
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The XZU has a camera? Wow, it's so far down my list of priorities, I guess I just didn't notice.
I was actually impressed with the camera on this smartphone. So much better than my Xperia T on color reproduction and noise reduction.
I feel like the camera is really good in light but useless in low light. I love my phone but I may buy something like the galaxy camera or if the qx10 gets a larger holder I would buy that.
so is this truly a software bug and can it fixed by sony
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so is this truly a software bug and can it fixed by sony
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I myself don't bother too much with great camera quality on a smartphone.. Nowadays, it's about capturing the moment rather than checking every pixel out of a picture.. If you are really into such a thing, those QX series is a great addition i guess
Hey asone great pics I have taken with the Z Ultra
http://imgur.com/a/karNr
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I think Sony is using a cheap sensor on the XZU. The pictures are just plain ugly comparative to older phone cameras. The worst picture taken from my HTC Butterfly looks way better than the best picture taken by my XZU.
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I'm contented with how the picture that I took with my XZU turned out. Maybe because I am not a "photographer" :laugh:
Note: Photos were cropped and I just encircled some parts of it, as I used them in reporting something at work. No filter done though!
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I'm contented with how the picture that I took with my XZU turned out. Maybe because I am not a "photographer" :laugh:
Note: Photos were cropped and I just encircled some parts of it, as I used them in reporting something at work. No filter done though!
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From the pics you posted you can clearly (or not) notice the lack of detail. It looks like a collage. Compare that to the photo from my HTC Butterfly at the same 8MP.
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From the pics you posted you can clearly (or not) notice the lack of detail. It looks like a collage. Compare that to the photo from my HTC Butterfly at the same 8MP.
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Like I said, I'm contended with it, collage or whatever. Not that meticulous on photos. That's just me though.
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Like I said, I'm contended with it, collage or whatever. Not that meticulous on photos. That's just me though.
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The quality... is pretty bad.
My Galaxy Note 2 camera is much much better.
The quality is so bad that even for a basic photo of friends it doesnt do.
Like the other guy said, if you take a photo of a whiteboard at college, or at a presentation it comes out so bad that you can barely see whats on it.
I don't know how you people are managing to screw things up so bad with the camera. It's no Lumia 1020, but it's really not that bad if you don't use the standard Sony app. Or even if you do, it's fine so long as you don't zoom in. Not sure how you're going to claim it's not good enough for casual pictures of friends. I find it had to believe there are so many photography enthusiasts out there all of a sudden. Before I had a smartphone, I didn't own a camera at all, and I know many people for whom this is also true. I suspect this is the case for many users. Any camera is better than no camera.
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I don't know how you people are managing to screw things up so bad with the camera. It's no Lumia 1020, but it's really not that bad if you don't use the standard Sony app. Or even if you do, it's fine so long as you don't zoom in. Not sure how you're going to claim it's not good enough for casual pictures of friends. I find it had to believe there are so many photography enthusiasts out there all of a sudden. Before I had a smartphone, I didn't own a camera at all, and I know many people for whom this is also true. I suspect this is the case for many users. Any camera is better than no camera.
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common man the pictures are really bad and i wish this is just a software issue, as I love this phone and wish at least it takes good pictures but really the pictures are bad, can someone maybe contact sony and ask them so that we can get this to rest and keep wishing for things that might never improve
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So I am really loving this phone but unfortunately the camera has disappointed me more than once. After using the iP4s for awhile I realized that I don't like iOS or the iPhone much at all, what I do love is the camera. Now all I want is an Android device with an awesome camera and I thought the EVOLTE would be it. So, before I return the phone and await the SGS3 I want to see if software upgrades can improve the camera performance.
Thanks in advance!
please return it
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please return it
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Agreed.......with this.
Camera kicks ass.....later.
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So I am really loving this phone but unfortunately the camera has disappointed me more than once. After using the iP4s for awhile I realized that I don't like iOS or the iPhone much at all, what I do love is the camera. Now all I want is an Android device with an awesome camera and I thought the EVOLTE would be it. So, before I return the phone and await the SGS3 I want to see if software upgrades can improve the camera performance.
Thanks in advance!
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Exactly what type of performance are you looking to get?
As for myself, I've gotten some incredible shots with this camera.
Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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Exactly what type of performance are you looking to get?
As for myself, I've gotten some incredible shots with this camera.
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As good as the iP4s. I have a dslr but when out and about I want a camera that is close to as good as my dedicated point and shoot. Maybe my phone is defective, I'll take it in tomorrow to compare to a floor model.
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Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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As good as the iP4s. I have a dslr but when out and about I want a camera that is close to as good as my dedicated point and shoot. Maybe my phone is defective, I'll take it in tomorrow to compare to a floor model.
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I've got a canon powershot and my evolte takes very comparable pictures. I haven't tried in low light conditions, but otherwise I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Quite possibly could be a defect with the camera itself.
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What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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Yeah, I've tried adjusting pretty much everything. Low light helps some but even then my phones struggles to catch a quality pic when my daughter is moving around. If you haven't yet realized, my newborn is the reason why the camera has become so important.
I'm posting front Nexus because the EVO is deactivated because I was considering returning and doesn't want to take a chance of something happening to it. Also my iP4s has water damage.
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What settings are you using on the camera? Auto, hdr, portrait, close up, etc? ISO, white balance?
The only thing I've noticed is slight ghosting with hdr, but that's been a known issue for quite awhile now.
And they probably weren't very helpfully since tapatalk is showing you posting from a nexus s.
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I've got a canon powershot and my evolte takes very comparable pictures. I haven't tried in low light conditions, but otherwise I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference.
Quite possibly could be a defect with the camera itself.
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Thanks for your responses. I'll try taking it in tomorrow before making a decision. It sounds like mine may not be performing as intended.
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Yeah, I've tried adjusting pretty much everything. Low light helps some but even then my phones struggles to catch a quality pic when my daughter is moving around. If you haven't yet realized, my newborn is the reason why the camera has become so important.
I'm posting front Nexus because the EVO is deactivated because I was considering returning and doesn't want to take a chance of something happening to it. Also my iP4s has water damage.
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Check out the picture thread to see what this camera can do. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1671858
I'd definitely have your phone checked out.
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Wow, you guys are loads of help. Its a simple question. I know the camera uses good hardware but the performance still lacks. You guys think what you want but when I'm trying to capture pics of my newborn and my eco produces slightly fuzzy pics with poor color representation while the pics on my wife's iPhone look better then I'm inclined to want better performance. FWIW the EVO outperforms the iPhone in daylight but infamy other settings it comes in 2nd place.
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When you open up with the camera sucks and rave about a phone that most of us cant stand (especially after what apple pulled with our current phone) and then mention another phone that for the love kittens I have no idea why people like them (samsung phones, sorry I just can't get past the way they feel in the hand) and expect people to not look at your "new thread" and think....TROLL ALERT. Especially sense we already have a thread about the camera picture quality.
Just saying....
Well for what it's worth, my camera experience had been poor too. I think it is defective. I can't take a picture of a flower close up in close up mode... I think that's an issue.
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When you open up with the camera sucks and rave about a phone that most of us cant stand (especially after what apple pulled with our current phone) and then mention another phone that for the love kittens I have no idea why people like them (samsung phones, sorry I just can't get past the way they feel in the hand) and expect people to not look at your "new thread" and think....TROLL ALERT. Especially sense we already have a thread about the camera picture quality.
Just saying....
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you're a clown. I simply said the iPhone has a good camera. I don't care if you don't like the iPhone or Samsung. If you can't handle the facts then maybe the real world isn't for you. Continue to live in your bull **** bubble where only your opinion matters and facts are irrelevant. Dip ****.
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Well for what it's worth, my camera experience had been poor too. I think it is defective. I can't take a picture of a flower close up in close up mode... I think that's an issue.
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Have you taken it to have it looked at yet?
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The OP also presented an intriguing question. Since there is some aggressive post capture image processing, would we benefit from an alteration on the software level? You guys never needed to jump on his back. This is constructive criticism and inquiring, not fanboi-ing.
If our devs found a way to edit the imaging chip software, I would assume so, yes. They may be able to tone it down a little bit so things aren't over-sharpened, which I've noticed can be true in some cases. However, if you play around with the camera settings a little more, you may be able to find some optimum values. I dropped my ISO (a setting that affects grain) to 400 instead of auto and reduced saturation by 1 to help with pink skin tones. It looks noticeably better and it already looked really nice from the get go for me. I haven't played with the sharpness yet though.
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To answer the question in the op, yes, software upgrades can increase camera performance.
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I have an iPhones 4s that is about to sell on eBay. I had a galaxy nexus and returned for this phone. The camera, among other things, played a big role in that decision.
The iPhone 4s takes great pictures....that an everyday person can take no problem. But the stock interface decides for you, often giving good pictures, but limiting your ability to adjust the capture.
At first the my evo was not impressing me...because I was using it like the iPhone. Once you realize the focus works differently, you can get comparable pictures. Once you realize how powerful the numerous adjustments are on the evo's camera...you can get outstanding pictures that blow away the iPhone 4s. I've directly compared with the photographery of a fiancee.
The evo allows the user to manipulate the capture...and as thus also allows the user to ruin the capture. The iPhone doesn't, but is more limited. Honestly it is all back to ios vs android.
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Also...I know its a result of the fast capture feature, but I wish you could set it to focus when you push the capture button. This would be nice for when you want one perfect shot and not to take advantage of the fast capture feature.
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...Honestly it is all back to ios vs android.
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Which comes down to: do you want to do it yourself or be told how to do it?
I prefer to make my own choices, so I choose this phone and its exceptional camera.
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Which comes down to: do you want to do it yourself or be told how to do it?
I prefer to make my own choices, so I choose this phone and its exceptional camera.
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Indeed.
I have been using android since the HTC Hero. I strayed for a while with the iphone 4s...but eventually could not stand it anymore. Honestly...it was this remarkable device that final sold me back. It blows the iphone 4s away in every area.
I am very open to change, and I will use what is best. In my opinion, ICS combined with the hardware on this device is tops. I'm not a fanboy by any means...I still love and perfer the new ipad and my macbook...but that could change with the next generation of devices.
There is one BIG thing I like about apple products. Due to the market hype...there sure do sell for a lot more on ebay than they should!
I am officially a Samsung fanboy, having learned the ropes on my Motorolas, and struggle through elevation with my HTCs, I have hit my stride here with Samsung. I wanted to pose some questions on the Galaxy NX.
How does it look as a device to a fellow Samsung user(s), who also has expirence with cameras and a general knowledge of camera hardware?
At what price point does it become absurd for a serious photographer to consider this device?
Would you reccomend this as a device to a person, not unlike myself, who is thinking of purchasing a camera for the first time because of the attractive device that is the Galaxy NX?
Where does the NX fall short when compared to, in your judgement, other comparable cameras on the market?
Is the Android OS, being originally intended for cameras, as attractive as it seems to be on this device, or am I puttting too much stock in my favorite mobile OS?
Concerns about your typical device like battery life and miscellaneous hardware are important to the point where it will impact the camera function, but not really something I am trying to discuss. I am really looking a conversation on the functionality of the NX as a camera for a 1st time buyer.
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There's a note 10 phone?! Wow where? :banghead:
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I am officially a Samsung fanboy, having learned the ropes on my Motorolas, and struggle through elevation with my HTCs, I have hit my stride here with Samsung. I wanted to pose some questions on the Galaxy NX.
How does it look as a device to a fellow Samsung user(s), who also has expirence with cameras and a general knowledge of camera hardware?
At what price point does it become absurd for a serious photographer to consider this device?
Would you reccomend this as a device to a person, not unlike myself, who is thinking of purchasing a camera for the first time because of the attractive device that is the Galaxy NX?
Where does the NX fall short when compared to, in your judgement, other comparable cameras on the market?
Is the Android OS, being originally intended for cameras, as attractive as it seems to be on this device, or am I puttting too much stock in my favorite mobile OS?
Concerns about your typical device like battery life and miscellaneous hardware are important to the point where it will impact the camera function, but not really something I am trying to discuss. I am really looking a conversation on the functionality of the NX as a camera for a 1st time buyer.
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This camera poses quite a few nice options, for one you'll be able to edit everything on the camera and you'll have free range to all the camera apps like FV-5, so you'll always be able to do whatever you want. You can edit your photos on the camera with something like the Photo Mate app that includes a fully fledged Raw converter that offers similar levels of control to what you're used to from Adobe ACR or other desktop Raw converters ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS50c2dhbWVzLnBpY3R1cmVpbmZvIl0.).
The camera has pretty damned good specs and seems like it would be a very very nice camera, however if you are wanting a damned good camera that will introduce you to the world of amazing photography you should go with something else. There is too much unknown about this camera, the price is rumored to be around €1000 or $1300 but no one knows for sure at the current moment, it has outstanding potential but at this point these cameras are more toys, to me at least, than a real camera. Before you blow an insane amount of money, and yes I absolutely love what Samsung is doing with these cameras because it opens up so many more possibilities, you should really get a regular DSLR and use it for a while until Samsung gets all the bugs ironed out of these cameras. I won't even consider buying one until next year at the very earliest because I think they have a long way to go before they're as fully functional as most other DSLR cameras. I have been thinking about buying a original Galaxy camera and just playing around with it but honestly it is still too rich for my blood.
If you are wanting to get a good DSLR that has amazing functionality, takes amazing pictures, has a whole bus load of additional lenses and features, and much more I would recommend that you look into something a bit less expensive.
I have personally been using the Olympus E-620 since it was released and still have no want to upgrade to a newer DSLR just because this one has everything I want and need and then some. It's an excellent camera at an insane price because it was released in '09. That is what you need though if you've never dealt with these cameras before, something for a good price that is still competitive with the newer DSLRs that are being released. The price on Amazon right now is only $349 for a used one with the 14-42 mm lens and $450 for a used one with the 14-42 mm and 40-150 mm lenses. You can most likely find them on eBay for cheaper as well.
Here is a fairly decent link about the Galaxy NX:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/Samsung-Galaxy-NX
One about the Olympus E-620:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse620
If you're dead set on getting a Android camera I would at least wait until the NX had been out for 3 months so you would have some idea of what it is like so you can make damned sure that you won't be blowing that money up a wild hogs ass.
Sorry if my post is a little jumbled, I'm half asleep.
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There's a note 10 phone?! Wow where? :banghead:
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Huh?
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This camera poses quite a few nice options, for one you'll be able to edit everything on the camera and you'll have free range to all the camera apps like FV-5, so you'll always be able to do whatever you want. You can edit your photos on the camera with something like the Photo Mate app that includes a fully fledged Raw converter that offers similar levels of control to what you're used to from Adobe ACR or other desktop Raw converters ( https://play.google.com/store/apps/...wsMSwxLDEsImNvbS50c2dhbWVzLnBpY3R1cmVpbmZvIl0.).
The camera has pretty damned good specs and seems like it would be a very very nice camera, however if you are wanting a damned good camera that will introduce you to the world of amazing photography you should go with something else. There is too much unknown about this camera, the price is rumored to be around €1000 or $1300 but no one knows for sure at the current moment, it has outstanding potential but at this point these cameras are more toys, to me at least, than a real camera. Before you blow an insane amount of money, and yes I absolutely love what Samsung is doing with these cameras because it opens up so many more possibilities, you should really get a regular DSLR and use it for a while until Samsung gets all the bugs ironed out of these cameras. I won't even consider buying one until next year at the very earliest because I think they have a long way to go before they're as fully functional as most other DSLR cameras. I have been thinking about buying a original Galaxy camera and just playing around with it but honestly it is still too rich for my blood.
If you are wanting to get a good DSLR that has amazing functionality, takes amazing pictures, has a whole bus load of additional lenses and features, and much more I would recommend that you look into something a bit less expensive.
I have personally been using the Olympus E-620 since it was released and still have no want to upgrade to a newer DSLR just because this one has everything I want and need and then some. It's an excellent camera at an insane price because it was released in '09. That is what you need though if you've never dealt with these cameras before, something for a good price that is still competitive with the newer DSLRs that are being released. The price on Amazon right now is only $349 for a used one with the 14-42 mm lens and $450 for a used one with the 14-42 mm and 40-150 mm lenses. You can most likely find them on eBay for cheaper as well.
Here is a fairly decent link about the Galaxy NX:
http://www.dpreview.com/previews/Samsung-Galaxy-NX
One about the Olympus E-620:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/olympuse620
If you're dead set on getting a Android camera I would at least wait until the NX had been out for 3 months so you would have some idea of what it is like so you can make damned sure that you won't be blowing that money up a wild hogs ass.
Sorry if my post is a little jumbled, I'm half asleep.
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That's a great gem of information you dropped on me, thanks. Like I said I am not familiar with DSLR or Mirror less cameras at all, so all contribution is appreciated. I have been spending a lot of time watching YouTube videos on where to start as a fledging photographer, and the idea of starting with a cheaper DSLR was the idea a lot of you tubers were recommending.
Also, there was an overwhelming number of people who had the idea to get either a Cannon or Nikon due to the longevity of the 2 platforms, and the availability of accessories. I'm glad to hear of other options.
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Get a canon 40d for roughly 300-350 used and and a nifty 50 for 100 dollars to start. Will take more amazing pictures than any camera in the same price range
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Get a canon 40d for roughly 300-350 used and and a nifty 50 for 100 dollars to start. Will take more amazing pictures than any camera in the same price range
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Or if you have more money you can get a 5d which will run you around 500-600 for the body, and you dont really need more than 8megapixels unless you plan on printing pictures that are bigger than a 10x14 or want to crap the out of pictures but even than a lower megapixel with a full frame sensor is going to give a better picture than a 15mp with a APS-C
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Get a canon 40d for roughly 300-350 used and and a nifty 50 for 100 dollars to start. Will take more amazing pictures than any camera in the same price range
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Or if you have more money you can get a 5d which will run you around 500-600 for the body, and you dont really need more than 8megapixels unless you plan on printing pictures that are bigger than a 10x14 or want to crap the out of pictures but even than a lower megapixel with a full frame sensor is going to give a better picture than a 15mp with a APS-C
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The Olympus E-620 is most definitely higher than the Canon 40D but the Canon seemed kind of dinky dink to me compared to other Canons I've owned in the past. I was really unimpressed with they last few releases, this comes from someone that used nothing but Canon his entire life. It seems to me that Olympus and Fuji were the ones on top of their game these past few years to me, that is changing now though and it looks like Canon is taking their spot back at top. The biggest part to me is the OP is a beginner and should really get something cheaper and that had lenses and the other accessories, he could have the Olympus with a lens for the same price as the body of the 40D and get 2 lenses for the price of the 5D.
That said I am a bit biased on my camera and its functionality, however i used to love Canon and it wasn't until a particularly bad experience with one of their top of the line DSLRs that I went looking for a new brand. It does look like they have released quite a few nice new DSLRs and hopefully when I a, in the market for a new one they will be king again.
OP, Here is a review for the Canon 40D:
http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/canoneos40d
OP, you have a lot of research to do, you need to figure out what it is you are looking for in a camera and what features are most important to you before you jump in and buy one. You then need to make a decision on how much you're willing to spend and narrow it down to 3-5 cameras that have the features you want out of a camera and then narrow it down to the one you want. Keep in mind that most DSLRs only come with the camera body, they don't have a lens with them unless it specifically says it does,
LancerV is completely right about the 8 megapixel part, it honestly doesn't matter for most uses unless you'll be blowing it up to poster board size. That being said, most DSLRs have between a 10-12 megapixel camera on them. Really the thing that will affect your pictures and how they look is the sensor and not how many megapixels a camera has. That's why the HTC phone with a 4 megapixel, I believe it was 4, camera could take better pictures than any of its competitors, it has an outstanding sensor array on it that beat anything that had ever been put in a phone before and I haven't seen a better sensor array in any of the newer phones. I don't buy a phone for the camera though, that's why I have my DSLR.
Also keep in mind you are getting a cheaper DSLR to begin with until you get used to it and figure out which features you want/need and what is best for your situation.
Some good brands are Olympus, Fuji, Canon, Nikon, and Sony in no particular order.
Yeah pretty much Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Olympus you are arguing over minute points. The key too me is the lenses which is going to cost you in the long haul 3-100x the amount the body ever cost you. My 50mm 1.2L cost 3x as much as the body of my camera
appreciate the starter info guys. that dpreviews website is a great resource for me, thanks for putting me onto a good starting point. I am looking for a camera that does good with motion and sports, as well as something I can use around family events for portraits and people shots... and the occasional landscape shot for the old desktop. I have to continue to learn, but I am not opposed to spending more for a product that I can grow into and maintain a sense of longevity with. I am enjoying the hunting right now, I feel like a kid in a candy store, albeit an exclusive German Chocolatier who only deals with the freshest Colombian cocoa beans.
This should say "hey I made a nice camera app..."
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This should say "hey I made a nice camera app..."
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As the post title? Lol
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This should say "hey I made a nice camera app..."
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Why would you say that? We are talking about cameras, not apps.
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Why would you say that? We are talking about cameras, not apps.
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Well...if you want a nice camera...buy a camera...because phones you cannot add lens...filter...zoom...it is as basic as take a picture and use an app...besides it reads like a commercial for an app...even the camera differences usually boil down to software
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Well...if you want a nice camera...buy a camera...because phones you cannot add lens...filter...zoom...it is as basic as take a picture and use an app...besides it reads like a commercial for an app...even the camera differences usually boil down to software
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And that is exactly what we are talking about if you read the OP.
The Galaxy NX is a DSLR running android instead of a proprietary camera OS. Did you read the OP and responses?
And are way more difference between cameras than *just software*, even between cell phones there is usually a difference between the cameras. What you are thinking of are the features in the app we use on Samsung stock ROMs. Nonetheless we are talking about actual cameras and have been the entire time, he asked about the NX in the OP, so your initial post makes no utter sense.
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And that is exactly what we are talking about if you read the OP.
The Galaxy NX is a DSLR running android instead of a proprietary camera OS. Did you read the OP and responses?
And are way more difference between cameras than *just software*, even between cell phones there is usually a difference between the cameras. What you are thinking of are the features in the app we use on Samsung stock ROMs. Nonetheless we are talking about actual cameras and have been the entire time, he asked about the NX in the OP, so your initial post makes no utter sense.
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I read it like I was in the note2 general forum...
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No its a full DSLR with an APS-C sensor size and look through viewfinder. It actually has pretty impressive specs shooting 20.8fps is pretty decent for a camera that size.
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No its a full DSLR with an APS-C sensor size and look through viewfinder. It actually has pretty impressive specs shooting 20.8fps is pretty decent for a camera that size.
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Granted, it still has quite a way to come before I would purchase it as my daily use DSLR. Right now I see Samsung as mainly experimenting with the camera market, with an Android DSLR, trying to figure out the nest way to implement it and have full use of the features.
It's still really really a really nice camera and has amazing potential, once they get the bugs worked out and figure out the best way to tie in the camera into android so you get full use of everything I would definitely buy it.
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Yeah my only issue is going to be battery life and I think it was alot of touchscreen controls to modify the settings which would drive me insane
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So just because it is in General means that anything posted about a camera means that you want an app? He was most definitely asking about a camera and how well it functions as the camera, not an app.
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Yeah my only issue is going to be battery life and I think it was alot of touchscreen controls to modify the settings which would drive me insane
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Yeah, I don't think the battery life would be terrible, it would be groundbreaking either, but them taking away a lot of buttons and replacing it with touch controls seems neat but would be a big pain in the ass for anyone using it as a camera that needs to change features frequently. That was on of the things I like the least about it, I understand the need or want to make it more sleek and that requires getting rid of buttons.... But man would it be a pain in the ass to deal with.
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So just because it is in General means that anything posted about a camera means that you want an app? He was most definitely asking about a camera and how well it functions as the camera, not an app.
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Yeah, I don't think the battery life would be terrible, it would be groundbreaking either, but them taking away a lot of buttons and replacing it with touch controls seems neat but would be a big pain in the ass for anyone using it as a camera that needs to change features frequently. That was on of the things I like the least about it, I understand the need or want to make it more sleek and that requires getting rid of buttons.... But man would it be a pain in the ass to deal with.
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Yep and good luck trying to pictures with gloves on.
Just curious why we are having a discussion on the galaxy camera in the note2 forum? Seems out of place since this thread has nothing to do about the phone.
I found a couple of G2 photosets on flickr. They look better than the older leaked photos.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/sets/72157635455147754/with/9708113419/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/lgblog_de/sets/72157635373615615/with/9670122433/
Post any other pictures and videos you may find. I know some of you suckers already have the G2 from AT&T. Let me see what you're made of.
Thanks for the links! I am very interested to see how the camera compares to the Note 3. And these pictures look pretty good!
I was definitely going to get the Note 3 until I read it doesn't have OIS, now I am considering the G2... And the price is pretty good also. Only $575 off contract vs $725 for the Note 3 on AT&T.
Yes, those pics look awesome!!
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Thanks for the links! I am very interested to see how the camera compares to the Note 3. And these pictures look pretty good!
I was definitely going to get the Note 3 until I read it doesn't have OIS, now I am considering the G2... And the price is pretty good also. Only $575 off contract vs $725 for the Note 3 on AT&T.
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The Note 3 has OIS...
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The Note 3 has OIS...
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No it doesnt, Note 3 has digital image stabilisation.
Yep, and in my opinion there is HUGE difference between that and hardware OIS...
Makes so many more of my pictures keepers.
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Yep, and in my opinion there is HUGE difference between that and hardware OIS...
Makes so many more of my pictures keepers.
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Well I saw this yesterday
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Camera-shootout-Note-3-vs-Galaxy-S4-vs-G2-vs-iPhone-5-vs-One_id47239
I can't find any definitive proof that the Note 3 doesn't have OIS. The O in OIS stands for optical, so there is no such thing as a digital OIS. That's just simple image stabilization, without the O.
Nvm. Poopoo it doesn't have it. I wasn't planning on getting it anyway. No one bothers to mention it besides dpreview. At least I can rely on them to get the camera specs right.
http://connect.dpreview.com/post/7967117746/hands-on-with-samsung-gaalxy-note-iii
So far the LG G2 is my fallback plan. The Xperia Z1 has established itself as having an awful camera, and screen, and is big and heavy for a small 5". The Note 3 is more of the same. I am sick of my cheap ass built Note 2 with squishy cover. No plans to upgrade to the same thing. My only hope is the Oppo N1 comes out to be amazing, and has a killer camera. All other companies have laid out their disappointing hands.
Any real world photos yet? I know a few of you have this beast
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Any real world photos yet? I know a few of you have this beast
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Here's a quick one of my dog.
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Yeah, I'd love to see more actual user pictures also!
I would like a bigger screen than my HTC One, but I really like the camera on it and want to see what the G2 is capable of....
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Yeah, I'd love to see more actual user pictures also!
I would like a bigger screen than my HTC One, but I really like the camera on it and want to see what the G2 is capable of....
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There are already a bunch of shootouts and comparisons out there. The HTC camera has only 4MP so it looks blurry no matter what. It couldn't compare to 8MP cameras, much less the newer 13MP ones right now. HTC also has very bad processing with weird colors and heavy sharpening and noise removal. It was one of the best low light shooters on Android, but the G2 can compete with OIS, and has much better resolution.
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There are already a bunch of shootouts and comparisons out there. The HTC camera has only 4MP so it looks blurry no matter what. It couldn't compare to 8MP cameras, much less the newer 13MP ones right now. HTC also has very bad processing with weird colors and heavy sharpening and noise removal. It was one of the best low light shooters on Android, but the G2 can compete with OIS, and has much better resolution.
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Most of the pictures I've seen are from reviewers, not average users and that's what I'd like to see.
Just because the HTC One only has 4mp doesn't automatically mean blurry... I'm a crap photographer which I'll readily admit and I've got some great shots on the HTC One by just pointing and clicking. Here are a couple examples... If the G2 can do better, I'll be really happy with it! I'm tempted to head to an AT&T store this morning.
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Most of the pictures I've seen are from reviewers, not average users and that's what I'd like to see.
Just because the HTC One only has 4mp doesn't automatically mean blurry... I'm a crap photographer which I'll readily admit and I've got some great shots on the HTC One by just pointing and clicking. Here are a couple examples... If the G2 can do better, I'll be really happy with it! I'm tempted to head to an AT&T store this morning.
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You are right in a way. I have HTC One too but pictures become blur as you start to zoom-in because it is only 4MP. Whereas 13MP on the other hand has 3 times more detail in the picture. And to make the point clear, in a common user perspective G2 can blow HTC one out of water (in camera).
A quick pic I took in my office yesterday. Auto settings, didn't change anything.
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Some pics from yesterday, not really trying just pointing and shooting. Also i had changed my lcd density without setting the xposed framework to put the camera back at 480 so auto focus was confused the entire time.
http://imgur.com/a/CosU6
Those look really good for just point and shoot! Thanks!
One more from breakfast today, its still overcast outside. (Coast)
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Here's a quick one of my dog.
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Damn dude he is a cutey..is that a dooberman mix? Maybe a rotty?
Quick pic of our tall skinny sunflower
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hello everyone
please someone explain to me why the pictures taken by the camera are so bad knowing its still an 8mp camera, my iPhone shoots better pictures than z ultra even my galaxy s2 pictures are better. It is the processing done by sony to pictures taken by camera, if yes if it is disabled will then the pictures be better , please someone explain
Over processing. It's a software issue.
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Over processing. It's a software issue.
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since its software how can that be fixed or replaced with another software
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since its software how can that be fixed or replaced with another software
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How can it be fixed? By not raping our photos after we've taken them. It's an idiotic decision by Sony.
I've read that Camera Zoom on the Play Store gives better results, but you still won't get good photos unless there's a good light source. Sony needs to push out an update that corrects the over processing, but god knows if and when that will happen. In the meantime, check out the Play Store and play around with different camera apps.
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How can it be fixed? By not raping our photos after we've taken them. It's an idiotic decision by Sony.
I've read that Camera Zoom on the Play Store gives better results, but you still won't get good photos unless there's a good light source. Sony needs to push out an update that corrects the over processing, but god knows if and when that will happen. In the meantime, check out the Play Store and play around with different camera apps.
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thats even awful to know that its a software bug, how come sony did not see that huge problem?????
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thats even awful to know that its a software bug, how come sony did not see that huge problem?????
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They were probably trying to push it out on the market as quickly as possible, which we also saw in other areas of the software (SODs, screen issues, phantom clicks etc.)
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They were probably trying to push it out on the market as quickly as possible, which we also saw in other areas of the software (SODs, screen issues, phantom clicks etc.)
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i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
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i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
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They seem to be I got my phone last week and already got 3 or 4 updates.
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i dont know about sony how they handle problem through updates but is sony good in that area, as I came from samsung devices???
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we've had three updates in three months. Seem to be way better than Samsung.
The camera is horrible until you start manually controlling ISO. Even in lower light I keep it at 400 or 800, anything over that will just look like **** but you'll be surprised with the quality of the pictures you can take when you set the ISO to 200 or 400
I think it's not just software that's the problem with the Ultra. I think Sony intentionally used a very cheap sensor that is marketed as 8MP but is actually just comparable to VGA. Gives me the reason to save up for the X-E2.
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You should try Lenovo super camera.( Google the apk) It really improves the image quality. But i agree. It looks like 2MP on stock camera.
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I think it's not just software that's the problem with the Ultra. I think Sony intentionally used a very cheap sensor that is marketed as 8MP but is actually just comparable to VGA. Gives me the reason to save up for the X-E2.
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Agreed. SONY is so cheap.
They simply don't want to make a perfect device.
IMO, the camera takes ok pictures for social media use, if I need something to hang in my living room, I'll use my dslr or rx100
if you try to take pic with Ultra Z in the house the pic is so bad i don't want even look at it, it contains alot of grain, but outside the house the pic is ok. i got also Xperia arc, the photo taken by arc is much better than Ultra Z.
Poor i did not know this before buying the thing
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if you try to take pic with Ultra Z in the house the pic is so bad i don't want even look at it, it contains alot of grain, but outside the house the pic is ok. i got also Xperia arc, the photo taken by arc is much better than Ultra Z.
Poor i did not know this before buying the thing
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I agree I will now likely be returning the device.
My 4-5 year old Sony Xperia X1 with a 3.2 MP camera takes better photos then this phone.
Basically the ZU camera is not usable for anything but taking a photo of a sign / piece of paper to remember / remind you of some notes.
Forget about taking a photo of your friends, or anything really.
Its quite depressing, i love everything about the phone and really want to keep it, but the quality is so bad that the word bad, is a grave overstatement and makes it sound good.
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I agree I will now likely be returning the device.
My 4-5 year old Sony Xperia X1 with a 3.2 MP camera takes better photos then this phone.
Basically the ZU camera is not usable for anything but taking a photo of a sign / piece of paper to remember / remind you of some notes.
Forget about taking a photo of your friends, or anything really.
Its quite depressing, i love everything about the phone and really want to keep it, but the quality is so bad that the word bad, is a grave overstatement and makes it sound good.
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Totally agree, i can't put it in better words. I can't imagine that sony uses this kind of quality in this high end phone. That really isn't logically, I assume it's a software thing.
The real reason come from the thickness...
A normal sensor is very thick! Close the Z Ultra. How you want to do like this.
Software will probably help, but don't dream: Z Ultra and his sensor is to thin.
Have you tried a different camera app like FV-5? I hope the pictures can be fixed with an app because I went in to the store to test out the device and the photos were really terrible!
After reading all the review and my device photo result, i think i know the culprit. It is related to the no flash condition on the Ultra, thus to be able to reach higher light into the sensor, they purposefully increase the ISO level to the extreme. Thus the grainy photo. Once you reduce the ISO into the low 100-400 with manual mode, the quality increased tremendously.
But how to counter attack the reduced light? well, none that i know of with stock camera, but the Camera FV5 with modified shutter speed seems like the best solution. For me, even though the stock experience is bad, when tweaked, it's very adequate for an 8mp
I finally grabbed my v30+ Korean version. I am not sure if I have too much expectation or it's a real issue but I see so much noise while I'm taking a picture especially in low light (in house) conditions. Sunny outdoor shots have no problem but indoor pictures are worrying me, so is it me or the phone? [emoji848]
Here are some sample shots:
https://flic.kr/s/aHskq5HESc
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I finally grabbed my v30+ Korean version. I am not sure if I have too much expectation or it's a real issue but I see so much noise while I'm taking a picture especially in low light (in house) conditions. Sunny outdoor shots have no problem but indoor pictures are worrying me, so is it me or the phone? [emoji848]
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At a glance, your photos look like mine. The FFC is total garbage. Dumpster fire garbage. I come from a Lumia 950. Say what you want about windows, but those phones have a great camera. I have had to settle and adjust to my new reality. My wife still has a 950. I ask her to take the important pics. One good thing about the V30 though, it has manual settings. I would like to learn how to use manual better because amazing things can be done with this V30, then.
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You should try Google Camera port. It has good HDR+ mode and Raw for post processing.
I'm using the latest version from this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-3/how-to/modded-google-camera-hdr-60fps-video-t3658552
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At a glance, your photos look like mine. The FFC is total garbage. Dumpster fire garbage. I come from a Lumia 950. Say what you want about windows, but those phones have a great camera. I have had to settle and adjust to my new reality. My wife still has a 950. I ask her to take the important pics. One good thing about the V30 though, it has manual settings. I would like to learn how to use manual better because amazing things can be done with this V30, then.
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You're right, I actually spent like 5 minutes for adjusting the manual camera, and got a better result than default setting photos. But we can't spend that much time every time, note 8 and pixel 2 xl cameras are amazing, I thought V series were supposed to bring the best camera performance under every circumstances
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Try Google Camera and please come back with your impressions!
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Try Google Camera and please come back with your impressions!
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I was going to tell him the same thing. I have it, it does not impress me either.
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I was going to tell him the same thing. I have it, it does not impress me either.
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I am on the Oreo beta program. From what I reckon. Improvement has been done when it comes to the noise in low light shots.
It might be by imagination, since I cant exactly pop the same shot twice and compare. But from recollection, I would say that it has improved.
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I am on the Oreo beta program. From what I reckon. Improvement has been done when it comes to the noise in low light shots.
It might be by imagination, since I cant exactly pop the same shot twice and compare. But from recollection, I would say that it has improved.
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Thank you for the update on oreo, I'm excited to see what it will bring in terms of camera especially
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I am on the Oreo beta program. From what I reckon. Improvement has been done when it comes to the noise in low light shots.
It might be by imagination, since I cant exactly pop the same shot twice and compare. But from recollection, I would say that it has improved.
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I hope so. I believe that LG has the ability and know-how to improve. I also hope that HDR for Netflix begins to work correctly after the update.
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