This is on Ebay and can not validate if this is from Samsung for real or just a scam. Says the tablet is a 10.1 also..
Looks fake to me. I may be wrong but I don't think the 10.1 came in white. Also, notice how the box says "powered by Samsung processor". That doesn't mean it's the Samsung galaxy tab, just means that there's some Samsung hardware in there.
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The 2011 Google I/o special edition had a white back plate but this looks VERY different.
http://www.slashgear.com/galaxy-tab-10-1-review-limited-edition-17152498/
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Definitely a fake. Didn't know a galaxy tab is powered by a "Exynos 4 quad".
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Looks fake to me. I may be wrong but I don't think the 10.1 came in white. Also, notice how the box says "powered by Samsung processor". That doesn't mean it's the Samsung galaxy tab, just means that there's some Samsung hardware in there.
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The 10.1 came in white (Mine is ayways), but this is definitely a fake.
Just look at the number of ports and their location on the tablet and you'll be sure its not P75XX. besides, an official product never has such a description on its box!
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Just look at the number of ports and their location on the tablet and you'll be sure its not P75XX. besides, an official product never has such a description on its box!
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And Samsung don't release boxes with spelling/printing errors.... Look at photos "power ed" ??? Unless it's a guy called "ed" pedalling a bicycle driven generator to give "power"
And the camera is in the centre rear on 10.1 ....is it not??
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aidiec which
hey thanks all for your input thought it might be too good to be true..
Looks fake to me.
But I'm curious how this tab fare against the real one ?
Exynos quad core should have bump the benchmark score.
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But I'm curious how this tab fare against the real one ?
Exynos quad core should have bump the benchmark score.
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As I think we have established it is a fake, why on earth would you believe that it has an Exynos chip inside it, and who would be stupid enough to buy it so that they can test it???....
If it is a fake tab what makes you think it would have a top of the range chip in it which is already in short supply??...
The thing might even be completely empty
I know this has already been established, but the box is a dead giveaway that its fake...
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Fake, no doubts.
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Well Newegg is refunded me for my bad 32gb samsung. So now I need to buy something else. I have been reading reviews on the samsung tab 2 and they are stated that the hardware is worse then the originial. What are your guys thoughts? Thanks
Tab2 - different GPU, ICS, microSD slot, no camera flash. Everything else is the same.
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Tab2 - different GPU, ICS, microSD slot, no camera flash. Everything else is the same.
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Is the GPU better, worse or the same?
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Is the GPU better, worse or the same?
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Most say better. Unfortunately, you won't get the tegra zone games if you switch. Its omap4 over there, so better CPU and gpu.
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Why wouldn't you get the Transformer Prime? Just an honest question.
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Same question as trillonometry. If I had the choice, I would go for the prime without a second thought.
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Or even the TF300
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Same question as trillonometry. If I had the choice, I would go for the prime without a second thought.
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My budget is 400. A quick google search, they appear to be 500.
I did look at the TF300 but was unsure if that would be considered a downgrade from the samsung one
Definitely the Transformer Pad 300 then.
Check the TF screen before you buy. I have TF101 but the screen was worser then GT. The brightness was not enough and the picture quality was also lower.
i'm unimpressed with the development from tab to tab2.. they should innovate more..
Well I have done my homework on these devices and the choice I made was the Samsung Tab 2. Now if I played tons of games or wanted to take tons of pictures with my tablet I would have chose the Asus. I thought the reviews and since I have a Samsung TV it makes sense as I am hearing I can integrate them nicely.
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Well I have done my homework on these devices and the choice I made was the Samsung Tab 2. Now if I played tons of games or wanted to take tons of pictures with my tablet I would have chose the Asus. I thought the reviews and since I have a Samsung TV it makes sense as I am hearing I can integrate them nicely.
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Yes, the allshare is an excellent feature...and the number 1 reason I went with the SGT.
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Hi,
Just saw this vid about the Galaxy Note 2 and its S Pen features. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMfkG8a-2g&feature=BFa&list=HL1346344641
My question is... what are the chances that the geniuses here at XDA can replicate some or all of these functions for the S3 if you had an S Pen?
Ideally it would be nice to have extra functions when you hover the pen over the screen, and pressure sensitive handwriting.
Having seen this vid, I'm quite disappointed that the S3 I love so very much, is no longer the Samsung Daddy! :crying:
What do you think? Forget the size difference, just features, is the Note 2 looking more functional than your S3?
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Hi,
Just saw this vid about the Galaxy Note 2 and its S Pen features. >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTMfkG8a-2g&feature=BFa&list=HL1346344641
My question is... what are the chances that the geniuses here at XDA can replicate some or all of these functions for the S3 if you had an S Pen?
Ideally it would be nice to have extra functions when you hover the pen over the screen, and pressure sensitive handwriting.
Having seen this vid, I'm quite disappointed that the S3 I love so very much, is no longer the Samsung Daddy! :crying:
What do you think? Forget the size difference, just features, is the Note 2 looking more functional than your S3?
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I had the Note1 and never used the S-pen, just liked the big screen for browsing, games,video`s and photo` s
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I had the Note1 and never used the S-pen
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Would you use it with its new features?
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The S pen will not work with the S3 as the Note uses a different screen technology
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The S pen will not work with the S3 as the Note uses a different screen technology
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I see. Shame. Would have been nice. So is it the screen that's pressure sensitive? Not the pen
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I see. Shame. Would have been nice. So is it the screen that's pressure sensitive? Not the pen
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Both the screen and the pen react to each other
i will be getting the Note 2 as long as it has LTE WITH its quadcore......if not then they can keep it. i have the international s3 and after coming from the skyrocket and galaxy note LTE version. this s3 just crawls on the network.
so im hoping the quads will get LTE this time around.
Im sure I heard that it would be 4G with the quad core.
(OFF TOPIC)
I'm British with an International S3. I phoned my network/carrier this morning and asked if my S3 would be compatible with 4G when we get it in the UK (By the end of the year apparently). He assured me it would be. Why can't the International S3 get 4G in the US?
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I see. Shame. Would have been nice. So is it the screen that's pressure sensitive? Not the pen
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The screen is capacitive for your finger and also inductive for the pen. That is how your hand doesn't draw lines on the screen while you are writing as the capacitive part gets turned off while the pen is being used. At least that's how it works on my Note 10.1 and I'm assuming the Note 2 is the same
I believe it's the pen that senses the pressure and tells the pone.
Here's hoping all the cool stuff from the N2 turns up in the JB release for the N10.1!!!
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Im sure I heard that it would be 4G with the quad core.
(OFF TOPIC)
I'm British with an International S3. I phoned my network/carrier this morning and asked if my S3 would be compatible with 4G when we get it in the UK (By the end of the year apparently). He assured me it would be. Why can't the International S3 get 4G in the US?
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I think he lied! I'm sure I read somewhere on here that the quad core processor in our S3 cannot receive LTE and that's why the US version uses a dual core instead
EDIT: It is the radio chip in our S3 that is incompatible with LTE source http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2012/05/25/the-sexier-samsung-galaxy-s3-you-can-never-buy-in-the-uk/
Looks sweet I would definitely get it if it had a higher res screen, don't think I could take a reduction in pixel density from my s3 but still looks great. Love the quad core and 2gb ram
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The screen is capacitive for your finger and also inductive for the pen. That is how your hand doesn't draw lines on the screen while you are writing as the capacitive part gets turned off while the pen is being used. At least that's how it works on my Note 10.1 and I'm assuming the Note 2 is the same
I believe it's the pen that senses the pressure and tells the pone.
Here's hoping all the cool stuff from the N2 turns up in the JB release for the N10.1!!!
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I think he lied! I'm sure I read somewhere on here that the quad core processor in our S3 cannot receive LTE and that's why the US version uses a dual core instead
EDIT: It is the radio chip in our S3 that is incompatible with LTE source http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2012/05/25/the-sexier-samsung-galaxy-s3-you-can-never-buy-in-the-uk/
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cant be just the pen who's pressure sensitive.
If it's really only the pen, u could actually reengineer the pen to work capacitive, which would give any other user the same experience as the Note..
Either way.. Im wondering what JB-Features they add for the S3.. as we've seen there are quite some near features for the NoteII.. nothing u couldn't do with the S3 I believe
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It is the radio chip in our S3 that is incompatible with LTE source
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I did say to him - I thought the (international) S3 didn't have a 4G compatible radio. He then asked if I had received a new sim with the phone. I said a micro sim. And he said then it would be no problem. He said something about how he works for a specialist department and he could ping my phone and get certain info back from it about its capability.
I'm wondering (which I now realise I should've asked) will the British 4G network infrastructure be different to the US? Meaning we wouldn't need the same phone hardware as US 4G users to receive the same speeds.
In fact, I might just call them back tomorrow.
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Im wondering what JB-Features they add for the S3.. as we've seen there are quite some near features for the NoteII.. nothing u couldn't do with the S3 I believe
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I've seen a few S3 features made available to other devices by the amazing work in these forums. I can only hope along with you that we get a flavour of the Note 2 on the S3, when developers get their hands on it!
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I just read that the UK 4G signal will be at 1800mhz which is different to US. Don't know what that means or what the implications are. But I'd love it if that meant I don't have to get a new phone when 4G becomes available in the UK!
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Lowyo said:
Having seen this vid, I'm quite disappointed that the S3 I love so very much, is no longer the Samsung Daddy! :crying:
What do you think? Forget the size difference, just features, is the Note 2 looking more functional than your S3?
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You will be even more disappointed after watching this video.
actually many of the features can be implemented without S Pen.
It will be bad if samsung don't give us that super cool gallery, best faces, video seeking preview,etc...
Yeah, I see how some of those features, like the gallery could be made available on the S3. I don't see how hovering or pressure sensitive additions could be made.
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the note 2 is good
but not alot better than s3
so i think i will stick with my s3
despite being painful, i think i'll keep my S3 until the S4.. i think i read spring 2013? i'm really curious already about it :fingers-crossed:
i think i would have definitely upgraded to the note if it had quad cpu and higher resolution. quad core isn't enough to warrant because i don't see many apps making use. probably a battery killer too.
Wow! We're talking S4 already!!
The initial envy I had for the Note 2 is starting to fade. As I have the international S3, I think the hardware's pretty much the same, just bigger screen and overclocked. And all the software differences could be addressed with a few updates. Jelly Bean being the main one.
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Wow! We're talking S4 already!!
The initial envy I had for the Note 2 is starting to fade. As I have the international S3, I think the hardware's pretty much the same, just bigger screen and overclocked. And all the software differences could be addressed with a few updates. Jelly Bean being the main one.
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I worried that samsung might not provide those features update to us(international s3 users). they might want to keep them exclusive to note only.
Seem like samsung spent more time innovating on Note series than on S series
But I see all S3 features are available on Note2
Not sure where to put this...but here we go.
As with past devices, including the s2 skyrocket, recent tabs and orig note, I will have the chance to see, touch and play with the Note 2 well before release. Specifically Thursday.
Just as I did with previous devices I wanted to get input on questions to ask etc.
This opportunity has nothing to do with my employment at Sprint. Any information obtained is obtained through relationships prior to and outside of my employment with Sprint.
Rules apply. Basically no pics (i have been known to break this rule)
Ask away
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What? :what:
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Will the US version have a quad core with 2 gigs of ram too? Possibly a picture to compare the 1 vs 2
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1462622
Kind of like what i did there....
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What's the retail price looking like on this device?
Also is the u.s. version going to have physical buttons?
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I see a lot of complaints about the screen. I'm having a hard time believing that it will not look sharper than the current note. I want a good screen comparison please.
Thanks for this:
Battery life
How it compares to our Galaxy Note, displaying a movie side by side
Quadrant and antutu (just for fun)
When does it hit at&t (I know you work for Sprint)
Can I have one now please?
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Not sure where to put this...but here we go.
As with past devices, including the s2 skyrocket, recent tabs and orig note, I will have the chance to see, touch and play with the Note 2 well before release. Specifically Thursday.
Just as I did with previous devices I wanted to get input on questions to ask etc.
This opportunity has nothing to do with my employment at Sprint. Any information obtained is obtained through relationships prior to and outside of my employment with Sprint.
Rules apply. Basically no pics (i have been known to break this rule)
Ask away
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I remember you my friend you helped my decision to pick up my note lol I want to know if American testing has begun on any of the networks especially at&ts
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I'd like to know if they've fixed the black crush/clipping problem yet.
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I remember you my friend you helped my decision to pick up my note lol I want to know if American testing has begun on any of the networks especially at&ts
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Should know this week. Pretty sure they have already started or are starting soon.
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I'd like to know if they've fixed the black crush/clipping problem yet.
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Thank you for reminding me. I know I see it slightly on my s3, but it is much better
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I'd like to know if they've fixed the black crush/clipping problem yet.
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What problem is this?
Your leak on the original Note was spot on, so I'm excited to see what you dig up, even if you don't get a chance to take pics. Plus, getting hands on this early is indicative that they're already in production, which looks like Samsung is going to go with a semi-simultaneous global launch like the gs3...good news for my buddy who is converting to android for the Note 2 from his iPhone.
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Will tmo.. carry it??
Looking for a way to get h+ speed if not...
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Can you check if Note2 has Smart Stay app lke the S3?
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What problem is this?
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Transition from black through grey is way off causing splotches in vids and pics.
Do search for more info. No reason to explain or discuss further here
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+1
Plz plz OP get us this answers atleast.
So tempted to get exynos quad core as its better in GPU as well.
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here is a photo comparing Note and note2.
note2 with 5.5 inches looks smaller than note with 5.3!
not sure i really want note2 now but it' skinner so it' easier for the hand to hold?
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-vs-galaxy-note-i-specifications-war-29244574/
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here is a photo comparing Note and note2.
note2 with 5.5 inches looks smaller than note with 5.3!
not sure i really want note2 now but it' skinner so it' easier for the hand to hold?
http://www.slashgear.com/samsung-galaxy-note-ii-vs-galaxy-note-i-specifications-war-29244574/
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Oh wow. The Note 2's screen is narrow in comparison. I don't like it.
It is a little smaller width wise. But I think it still looks damn sexy
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Lots of comparison pics out there already but i will try several phones side by side.
I would agree...top priority is processor
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Hi i was wondering if anyone can help me out I got a android phone from a random source and the phone looks like a prototype Lg phone as i can tell the model is an Lg-E960. It runs on a sim card and it works for both att and t-mobile. It has a super nice screen almost lcd with a pretty nice camera and its running on jellybean 4.1.2. Was trying to see if anyone would be interested in it pls message me if you are will send pics if needed.
can you post some pics?
Can you post more details steve?
EDIT: Have you tried using the phone with a Verizon MircoSim?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/album.php?albumid=8115
Not sure if I want it or not.
C0dy said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/album.php?albumid=8115
Not sure if I want it or not.
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I do. Congrats on making the tech blogs OP!
One Post. Ultra Suspish
message back please
Steve I messaged you earlier please pm back thank you
I'll take it!
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Hi i was wondering if anyone can help me out I got a android phone from a random source and the phone looks like a prototype Lg phone as i can tell the model is an Lg-E960. It runs on a sim card and it works for both att and t-mobile. It has a super nice screen almost lcd with a pretty nice camera and its running on jellybean 4.1.2. Was trying to see if anyone would be interested in it pls message me if you are will send pics if needed.
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Does it work with at&t LTE / T-mobile 4G?
I'm also interested, let me know how much you want for it
Interesting
Does it have a removable battery?
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Is the back made of glass...? I hope it doesn't look like the iphone.
Do not like that, a nexus isn't a nexus without the curve and super amoled
I'll pass on this one, keeping my galaxy nexus
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Do not like that, a nexus isn't a nexus without the curve and super amoled
I'll pass on this one, keeping my galaxy nexus
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The device is in a dummy box just like Samsung did to cover the design of the s3 look closer at the first pic and you will see that the top and bottom is curved but I'm not sure about the LCD.
The nexus one didn't have a curved screen and only Samsung has made curved screen nexus. I would like a curved screen though, and that true IPS display will look amazing
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It's unfortunate you included so much identifying information here, as the phone will probably get remotely disabled now if it is indeed a prototype.
Well, looks like the device is Mako and the firmware could be called adudani. This is epic.
The feds will be showing up soon....hide!
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We need more info a video if you could before Google disables the device. Maybe features as well
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Samsung just announced Galaxy Mega, either a 5.8 inch screen or a 6.3 if you dont believe check Engadget.com
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So it won't be part of the note family?
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Lol. They might as well just produce the note from 5-7" at 0.5" increments.
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I don't think the Mega has an S-pen though. Maybe that will bring the cost down to open up for more consumers.
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Samsung just announced Galaxy Mega, either a 5.8 inch screen or a 6.3 if you dont believe check Engadget.com
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They have big screens, but internals similar to our Notes. Neither of these would be an upgrade.
They get a big MEH from me...
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/11/sa...hd-1-7ghz-dual-core-5-8-qhd-1-4ghz-dual-core/
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They have big screens, but internals similar to our Notes. Neither of these would be an upgrade.
They get a big MEH from me...
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/11/sa...hd-1-7ghz-dual-core-5-8-qhd-1-4ghz-dual-core/
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Actually it would be a upgrade . better CPUs. Bigger screens .and official firmware duh
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I was really excited till i read the specs They have always made Note similiar in specs to the "S" series. So I was thinking at least same hardware and camera. Looks like I just might buy a Note 2 till something better pops up.... Dual core and 8 megapixel camera? 1.5 gb memory will not have me anticipating its release.
If it doesn't have a s pen I rather just upgrade to note 2
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From what I understand the bigger mega has the s pen .. These new releases still have better specs just not as good as what may be on the way
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They have big screens, but internals similar to our Notes. Neither of these would be an upgrade.
They get a big MEH from me...
http://techcrunch.com/2013/04/11/sa...hd-1-7ghz-dual-core-5-8-qhd-1-4ghz-dual-core/
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these are budget phablets imo.. I'm sure there will be a note 3 that will blow them out of the water.
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these are budget phablets imo.. I'm sure there will be a note 3 that will blow them out of the water.
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I agree.
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The 6.3 is actually VERY interesting.
1) It will be most likely bigger than Note 3 screen size and is lower resolution.
2) 720P is more than enough for me and with 3200 battery and dual core processor means amazing battery life
3) It is PLS LCD, and hands on review is very positive. I personally always preferred LCD's color accuracy over pentile AMOLED's bluish whites
4) Unconfirmed: It is supposed to be Exynos A15, same processor in N10, which is flat out amazing
I have no use for the S-Pen, if this is $200 cheaper than Note 2 and is available on AT&T it is a winner.
Too bad I doubt we will have this for AT&T so will most likely have to do Note 3 . . .
Doesn't AT&T have similar frequencies to the rest of the world?
I'm interested in the 6.3, to use on a TMobile phone plan OR an AT&T tablet plan (might not be recognized as a phone). I love my 7.0+ but these would pocket carry a little easier. I'd consider selling that and my i717 and getting the 6.3 to go with my S2 (still love that thing!).
The 5.8 does look a little bleh but the 6.3 might be what I always wanted- a compact cellular tablet. They both look a lot better than that Galaxy Grand/Samsung Galaxy Player with a radio thing.
Better to wait and see what specs the note 3 has to offer. I think witch ever mega sells the best will be size of note 3 Testing the waters.
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Better to wait and see what specs the note 3 has to offer. I think witch ever mega sells the best will be size of note 3 Testing the waters.
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I don't get that theory though, not many people are going to want a phone with a qhd display in this day and age.
Just speaking in terms of size. I'm sure total specs of the famous (or infamous) note line will be much better
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Just speaking in terms of size. I'm sure total specs of the famous (or infamous) note line will be much better
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Since the note first launched its outspecced the flagship galaxy phone of its generation. I'm really hoping the US note 3 gets the new exynos and a non pen tile screen.
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I've read in a few articles that note 3 might come with the octa core if can iron out the LTE.
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Im compairing the Mega 6.3 with the Hauwei Ascend Mate 6.1, on specs the Ascend wins hands down, but still not sure as 3rd party roms might not be developed for the Ascend, a 4050mah battery is awesome too and its waterproof, quad core and 2gb of ram!!!, this is a difficult choice at least i've got 4 weeks to decide.
The Mate also looks to be pentaband.