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Hi there
as I asked, I really want to know how these things actually work.
From my understanding, even though we have App2SD, the internal memory is still decreased everytime we install new app because it will generate the cache for that application (I tried install 5mb app, and what i get is i lost around 1mb of internal memory) is what I understand correct??
Now I currently have 150+ app installed in my phone with App2SD and I have 27mb internal memory left. If I move the dalvik-cache, my internal memory will boost up to 98mb. And if I install more apps, the internal memory won't be decreased anymore. but should I move the dalvik-cache?
According to some thread, it said that we shouldn't move dalvik-cache since it will make phone slower. But in my case I only have 27mb left in my internal memory so I can only install around 30 more apps. What do you suggest in this case?
Thx so much
PS. I attach the photo, pls have a look, why there are so much memory used in Data? thx
moving /data/data to sd would better than dalvik cache
tempo10 said:
moving /data/data to sd would better than dalvik cache
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Thank you, I did it but still... when I install apps, my internal memory is deceased Because dalvik-cache still affects my internal memory right? But I think I lost less internal memory compare to before(without moving /data/data to sd)
Is this mean I have limited of app installation even though I have app2sd?
thx
yes,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine
you may take at look at DalvikVM so you would know what does dalvik-cache do actually.
Rather than moving /data/data,
you may try to delete market, google map, browser cache and make a symlink to sdcard as well
tempo10 said:
yes,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dalvik_virtual_machine
you may take at look at DalvikVM so you would know what does dalvik-cache do actually.
Rather than moving /data/data,
you may try to delete market, google map, browser cache and make a symlink to sdcard as well
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Where is the cache located for market and browser? What folder/files do you actually symlink to sd card and how do you do it?
Goose247 said:
Where is the cache located for market and browser? What folder/files do you actually symlink to sd card and how do you do it?
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yeah, I would like to know how as well haha
Can you teach us how to delete market, google map, browser cache and make a symlink to sdcard?
thank you
i would like to know too.. please do tell
Hi, i have a 8gb SDcard and since i'm gonna pass form CM7.1 to CM7.2 i wanted to ask you a few questions:
1) I have a 500mb sd ext partition, will a /format SDcard from CWM5 cancel the partition?
2) Since i'm using s2e, would you reccomend me to manually uninstall apps and s2e before wiping /data and formatting the SD card?
Thanks
Bafacchio said:
Hi, i have a 8gb SDcard and since i'm gonna pass form CM7.1 to CM7.2 i wanted to ask you a few questions:
1) I have a 500mb sd ext partition, will a /format SDcard from CWM5 cancel the partition?
2) Since i'm using s2e, would you reccomend me to manually uninstall apps and s2e before wiping /data and formatting the SD card?
Thanks
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No, your sd-ext parition will not be removed by formatting sdcard.
2. No it is not recommended, just backup your apps using Titanium backup and later you can restore them.
You need to partition only once unless you remove it manually.
/format sdcard will remove all data in fat32 partition
/format sd-ext will remove all data in ext partition
no need to do format sdcard for upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2. just do factory reset, delete cache, and dalvick cache.
no need to manually uninstall S2E.
Thanks guys!
I am not interested in restoring apps, i think i will make a clean install after flashing the rom.
dianpadi said:
/format sdcard will remove all data in fat32 partition
/format sd-ext will remove all data in ext partition
no need to do format sdcard for upgrading from 7.1 to 7.2. just do factory reset, delete cache, and dalvick cache.
no need to manually uninstall S2E.
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So if i do factory reset and delete cache and dalvik this will remove also the apps that were moved to my sdcard with s2e?
I just want to clar my sd from the apps, so that i can make a clean install after changing rom...and i'd like to do this in the easiest way ^^
Bafacchio said:
So if i do factory reset and delete cache and dalvik this will remove also the apps that were moved to my sdcard with s2e?
I just want to clar my sd from the apps, so that i can make a clean install after changing rom...and i'd like to do this in the easiest way ^^
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AFAIK, S2E is handling the sd-ext. when do factory reset, delete cache, and dalvik, and then flash new rom, the sd-ext also being formated.
but some application folder (e.g yahoo, titanium) still exist in the sdcard.
if you want a clean install, you can format sdcard, but you must reload the flashable zip rom to the sd card again. Then do factory reset, delete cache, delete dalvik, and flash the new rom.
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AFAIK, S2E is handling the sd-ext. when do factory reset, delete cache, and dalvik, and then flash new rom, the sd-ext also being formated.
but some application folder (e.g yahoo, titanium) still exist in the sdcard.
if you want a clean install, you can format sdcard, but you must reload the flashable zip rom to the sd card again. Then do factory reset, delete cache, delete dalvik, and flash the new rom.
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Thanks again! Well maybe i could format the SD after flashing the rom, couldn't i?
yes you can.
My experience, when I accidentaly format my SD card, I still can turn my Android on.
start up will recreate .android_secure, Android, and LOST.DIR again.
Guys...SD card is not associated with a rom -_- Remove your sd card and the phone works fine,right? android secure and lost.dir are directories that the android os makes on mounting of sd card..Try formatting your sd from the pc and and then insert it in the phone,now take it..you didnt reboot but you will still see android secure and lost.dir...Android makes them in between the mounting afaik.Flashing is not related with formatting sd card except choosing the zip file ofc
Why the heck is it that after I format my SD card... My efs file is gone????
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ace_viknesh said:
Why the heck is it that after I format my SD card... My efs file is gone????
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I browse with root explorer, and can not find /efs folder...
Hello,
I got my international S3 2 months ago and I would now like to try a new ROM.
I am worried about looding data.
I did backup my device using CWM and Titanium Backup but it seems to me that neither backs up all of the contents of the internal SD.
Shall I worry about backing up these folders;
.AllSharePlay, .aptoide, .clipboard, Alarms, Andoird/data/(many files under this directory), Gameloft and many many more folders.
How do I know all was backed up with Titanium / CWM
Another irritating issue is that via Windows 7 browser it is impossible to tree size or Beyond compare the phone storage, (both internal and external SDCards). Am I missing something?
If you
Wipe data (factory reset)
Wipe cache
format system
then your internal sd card stays as it is and you dont have to worry about backing it up
CuttyCZ said:
If you
Wipe data (factory reset)
Wipe cache
format system
then your internal sd card stays as it is and you dont have to worry about backing it up
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Half right, CWM will not wipe the internal SD with a factory reset, but stock recovery will.
And I don't think Titanium backs up the internal SD, all you can do is copy the files to your PC.
delsus said:
Half right, CWM will not wipe the internal SD with a factory reset, but stock recovery will.
And I don't think Titanium backs up the internal SD, all you can do is copy the files to your PC.
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By saying stock recovery you mean flashing new ODIN?
The thing about copying files to my PC as you stated is a pain, tree size or beyond compare cannot work on the phone's memory, also some files are in use by the system causing the copying to stop and then you have to start guessing what was / not copied.
Consumes a long time, I'm sure there should be an easier way.
Are these files seen in the img I attached needed at all or all is covered by the TIT and CWM backup?
Thanks
rmetanes said:
By saying stock recovery you mean flashing new ODIN?
The thing about copying files to my PC as you stated is a pain, tree size or beyond compare cannot work on the phone's memory, also some files are in use by the system causing the copying to stop and then you have to start guessing what was / not copied.
Consumes a long time, I'm sure there should be an easier way.
Are these files seen in the img I attached needed at all or all is covered by the TIT and CWM backup?
Thanks
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Stock recovery is what is included with stock ROMs, can't remember exactly what it's called.
I have never had problems backing my internal sd up on my PC, and the files in your pic seem to be your files and some app data, CWM does not back up the internal SD, but it also does not wipe the internal sd, if you wipe data in CWM, it only wipes the data partition and cache partition, 100% not the internal SD. I also don't know Titanium will backup app data from the SD.
delsus said:
Stock recovery is what is included with stock ROMs, can't remember exactly what it's called.
I have never had problems backing my internal sd up on my PC, and the files in your pic seem to be your files and some app data, CWM does not back up the internal SD, but it also does not wipe the internal sd, if you wipe data in CWM, it only wipes the data partition and cache partition, 100% not the internal SD. I also don't know Titanium will backup app data from the SD.
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Delsus, so you only copy and paste the Internal SD to your PC I guess.
rmetanes said:
Delsus, so you only copy and paste the Internal SD to your PC I guess.
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Pretty much.
Internal SD card Backup
If U use apps like Lexicomp and Medscape
The file size for lexicomp is about 850,225,187 bytes (only for med not for dental) and number of files are 32037 and Medscape are 60,843,144 bytes and number of files are 2926. It takes more than 1 hour for the PC to determine the time to calculate the duration, to copy the files to PC.......android is still in its infancy comparing to PALM OS
Main Phone is Centro after treo 680, My secondary phone is SIII (a phone with lots of bugs, no one never denies it)
Thank you all guys.
I did rest to FD and you were right the internal SD was not wiped and I have also successfully installed Omega Rom on my S3.
I have to much junk and empty folders on the phone. I tried format through CWM, format system, cache, data, emmc...everything is still there. I want to clean (as in new) my internal storage.
Does "factory reset" does that, or is it just for deleting any 'personal' data (pics, files) etc?
Thanks.
Wipe data/factory reset only wipes the data partition. What you want is to format the internal sdcard. Go to Settings | Storage and select "Format SD card."
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Wipe data/factory reset only wipes the data partition. What you want is to format the internal sdcard. Go to Settings | Storage and select "Format SD card."
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Thanks.
Will I then be able to boot into recovery, or CWM will no longer be there and I'll have to use ODIN?
Also, am I losing ROOT when doing that?
No. No. No.
You can format the root files from CWM recovery. You said you tried that and it didn't do what you want.
Formating the internal sdcard will remove all your personal files from the phone, including pictures and any other files and directories you have created. If that's not what you want to do, then don't format the internal sdcard.
Formating the internal sdcard will not touch the system, kernel, data partition or any other root files. You will not lose root. So yes you will be able to boot into cwm recovery, or even into whatever system you have installed after formating the internal sdcard.
sbi1 said:
Thanks.
Will I then be able to boot into recovery, or CWM will no longer be there and I'll have to use ODIN?
Also, am I losing ROOT when doing that?
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Common sense, make a backup (meaning copy and save your personal info to somewhere else first, you can delete them later if you really don't need them).
Also, adding to what creepy has said, be sure "SD card" is your internal storage, not external uSD.
I suggest you removing the external uSD card first, just in case.
The reason I said so because with CwMR and Task's AOKP, format SD card is formatting the external uSD card, while "format /emmc" will be do the internal one.
Just precaution.
Thank you both.
Yes, I already 'discovered' that formatting SD Card in CWM formats the external ...luckily I didn't have anything important there.
I still don't get it though. Looks like we are talking about two different things.
I have my internal storage fully backed up. I want to wipe it clean, as in a PC Format. Is there a way to do that, or can I simply remove empty folders in file explorer? Too much junk has been collected there in a year and a half of many custom roms and different apps that I tried and removed.
sbi1 said:
Thank you both.
Yes, I already 'discovered' that formatting SD Card in CWM formats the external ...luckily I didn't have anything important there.
I still don't get it though. Looks like we are talking about two different things.
I have my internal storage fully backed up. I want to wipe it clean, as in a PC Format. Is there a way to do that, or can I simply remove empty folders in file explorer? Too much junk has been collected there in a year and a half of many custom roms and different apps that I tried and removed.
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Refer to 2nd post. Your internal storage has 2 partitions. One is where all the system data is, and the other is where all the personal data is (where apps install to). If you do what's written in the 2nd post, it will completely wipe clean the personal partition.
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Refer to 2nd post. Your internal storage has 2 partitions. One is where all the system data is, and the other is where all the personal data is (where apps install to). If you do what's written in the 2nd post, it will completely wipe clean the personal partition.
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Will I still be able to access CWM and install custom rom from Ext SD?
sbi1 said:
Will I still be able to access CWM and install custom rom from Ext SD?
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Yes, formatting internal sd card (doesn't matter which partition) does not touch either of those.
My internal SD card is mostly full (11GB) after a year of using my i9300, and I'm not sure where all that space has gone (some pictures and video but I think a lot of apps I used throughout the last year but ended up deleting). So I figure the next time I try a new ROM I will delete the whole thing and start from scratch, backing up my data of course. I will back up the entire internal SD card to my computer and take a nandroid backup before doing anything.
Should I format the internal SD card or just delete all its contents?
I've noticed that when I try a new ROM the internal SD card isn't touched, so where does the ROM actually get stored?
What does the wipe data / factory reset option in ClockworkMod Recovery actually wipe?
Does a nandroid backup back up the internal SD card? I have a feeling the answer is no, but then what does it actually back up?
If I use TitaniumBackup to back up all my app data and move that backup to my computer, then I delete the internal SD card, wipe the system, tehen replace my old ROM with a new ROM, then use TitaniumBackup to restore my apps and their data, am I missing anything? For example, I don't think certain data gets backed up by TitaniumBackup, for example photos (even though that might be considered 'data' of the camera app), so what could I be unwittingly missing when I do my restore from TitaniumBackup? How will I know what things I need from what's currently on my internal SD card?
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Should I format the internal SD card or just delete all its contents?
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No need to format it.
iamthemandroid said:
I've noticed that when I try a new ROM the internal SD card isn't touched, so where does the ROM actually get stored?
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Lets distinguish between these things.
The "internal SDcard" is NOT an sdcard. It is a partition on the internal memory referred to as /sdcard (on other phones /sdcard mounts to removable media but not here). However, as it happens, the internal memory itself is an eMMC (embedded MultiMedia Card) which is where the confusion arises, so let us refer to eMMC as "Internal Memory" from here on.
The internal memory has many partitions (It's 14.9 GiB in total). It has a /system partition (ROM goes here) a /boot partition (bootloader), /recovery partition (guess) and /cache partition and a /data partition (A few others that aren't of interest here).
Usually /data is where all your data and apps go (in /data/app and /data/data) however, we use the FUSE file system to cleverly put /sdcard (usually removable media) into /data/media. This way /data is fully used as user data space.
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What does the wipe data / factory reset option in ClockworkMod Recovery actually wipe?
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Custom Recoveries wipe /data/app and /data/data. Stock recovery wipes /data which includes /data/media AKA /sdcard
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Does a nandroid backup back up the internal SD card? I have a feeling the answer is no, but then what does it actually back up?
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No. It backs up /system, /data (ignoring data/media) and /cache. It often backs up to /sdcard so it cant backup where it is saving the files to
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If I use TitaniumBackup to back up all my app data and move that backup to my computer, then I delete the internal SD card, wipe the system, tehen replace my old ROM with a new ROM, then use TitaniumBackup to restore my apps and their data, am I missing anything? For example, I don't think certain data gets backed up by TitaniumBackup, for example photos (even though that might be considered 'data' of the camera app), so what could I be unwittingly missing when I do my restore from TitaniumBackup? How will I know what things I need from what's currently on my internal SD card?
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Backup titanium to /sdcard then copy EVERYTHING from /sdcard to computer, will catch everything. Titanium doesn't back up stuff on /sdcard unless it is explicitly part of an application and you select that option in preferences
Your best option would be to format Internal SD card. And as you install a new rom, as you can see you only have 11GB of free space. Thats what is left from your total 16GB. Android OS reserves some space for bootloader, rom and cache.
The factory reset in recovery will delete all your system settings, apps, messages, call log and such. But if I'm correct it shouldn't touch the pictures. Nandroid backup doesnt hold your whole Internal SD card in itself.
And titanium backup backups apps and their settings, but it will not backup messages or pictures.. You can for example manually copy pictures to your computer and then back to your device. And for messages there is a good app called 'SMS Backup & Restore'.
Hope this helps
Edit: Me and my slow typing
Etirel said:
Edit: Me and my slow typing
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I was on a mission
rootSU said:
I was on a mission
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Guess so But you explained it a lot better than I did. So probably better that way
help me please formated sd with stock nanaroid on it..please help!!!!
i formatted my sd like a clown...i recoverd the files how ever i am unable to find my twrp back up ...i really need some help
DroiDBoSS said:
i formatted my sd like a clown...i recoverd the files how ever i am unable to find my twrp back up ...i really need some help
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You formatted that means you have lost what was on the sd card .
If you put your Nandroid backup on that card then its lost .
JJEgan said:
You formatted that means you have lost what was on the sd card .
If you put your Nandroid backup on that card then its lost .
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know any ware i can download the rogers stock 4.1.2 firmware...and does it mess with my unlocked bootloader if i flash back?
DroiDBoSS said:
know any ware i can download the rogers stock 4.1.2 firmware...and does it mess with my unlocked bootloader if i flash back?
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Do you have I9300 or I9305 phone ???
If not this is I9300 you are in the wrong forum . Firmware/ mods from here may brick your phone .
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rootSU said:
No need to format it.
Lets distinguish between these things.
The "internal SDcard" is NOT an sdcard. It is a partition on the internal memory referred to as /sdcard (on other phones /sdcard mounts to removable media but not here). However, as it happens, the internal memory itself is an eMMC (embedded MultiMedia Card) which is where the confusion arises, so let us refer to eMMC as "Internal Memory" from here on.
The internal memory has many partitions (It's 14.9 GiB in total). It has a /system partition (ROM goes here) a /boot partition (bootloader), /recovery partition (guess) and /cache partition and a /data partition (A few others that aren't of interest here).
Usually /data is where all your data and apps go (in /data/app and /data/data) however, we use the FUSE file system to cleverly put /sdcard (usually removable media) into /data/media. This way /data is fully used as user data space.
Custom Recoveries wipe /data/app and /data/data. Stock recovery wipes /data which includes /data/media AKA /sdcard
No. It backs up /system, /data (ignoring data/media) and /cache. It often backs up to /sdcard so it cant backup where it is saving the files to
Backup titanium to /sdcard then copy EVERYTHING from /sdcard to computer, will catch everything. Titanium doesn't back up stuff on /sdcard unless it is explicitly part of an application and you select that option in preferences
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I backup via philz_touch_6.00.8 but when i tried to restore philz_touch_6.00.8 could not find the backup folder or file. Also when i check the my data using file explorer also i could not find backup file or folder. Interesting that capasity of internal sd card is less then befor about 3 GB. Could you explain why i could not find and restore or remove ?