To Kill or Not to Kill? - Android Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Do you Kill Tasks on a regular basis?
and why or why not
which apps do you kill?
and what do you use to kill them, or what is your favorite task manager?
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Can't stand having em' open(them all), once I'm done with an app, is killing time.

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They say in Linux that unused RAM is wasted RAM
And they claim that, apparently, the fuller your memory the better off you are
and they say your programs "arent doing anything" in RAM
and that killing it increases your CPU and Battery usage, as it took much more resources to close the tasks and reload them into memory, as opposed to "sitting there doing nothing"
So, if they arent doing anything, Why do they need to sit there?
I think its alot of propaganda by people wanting their programs loaded into your memory 24/7
The problem, as I see it, is that many apps just throw themselves into memory like crazy, even if you only opened the program once ever
MANY programs we likely seldom use, once a month at most.. and alot of those same problems load themselves into your memory automatically
WHERE DID THEY COME FROM AND HOW DID THEY GET THERE?
you clear all your RAM, reboot your phone, and THEY CONSUME RESOURCES cheekily loading themselves into your RAM
as if my start up / boot up time doesnt count?
GET OUT OF MY RAM
thats all I have to say about it
and I've used alot of task killers and apps that claim to disable startup items, yet, they still load into ram
their solution is "uninstall apps you dont use all the time"
thats not a solution.. thats an excuse to keep things gratuitously loading themselves into my RAM
If I dont use the program, I DONT WANT IT IN MY RAM.. until I use it.. then, it can stay there until restart, or until I kill it.. and then it should never appear again in my ram until summoned forth by my own finger tap
Is there really no actual solution to this, and instead, we have to listen to devs tell us all why we need apps in our RAM at all times
because I dont buy it

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"Unused RAM is Wasted RAM"
until you launch a game or apps you actually need..
then GOOGLE decides what should be deleted and the app you actually want to use next gets kicked out of memory
thanks eh
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We should get a way to select which programs stay in memory and which are dumped from memory on close
any apps like that?
I have also used Avast Firewall to block certain apps access to the internet, and after a restart, several of the apps acted like it was their first time online, or like they deleted all the info and pretended not to work if they couldnt access the internet, and they were all programs that had no business accessing the internet. but also all programs that require this or that special privileged or control to your information.. leading me to the conclusion that they dont need that ability to access all your private data for the program to run, but so they can send it to themselves. Thus keeping their program in memory seems a high priority for many app developers
I have yet to find a task manager that allows me to truly control app behavior.. disable items, keep them from staying idle in memory, keep in memory if possible, etc..
I'm really hoping Piriform's CCleaner for Android will be the answer we're all looking for, when it comes out
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Well, tried a thousand task managers, and I found only one that can help to give you full control of your RAM
its called "Android Task Manager" (ATM), by SmartWho
you can select which tasks get auto-killed after exit, which tasks stay in RAM, How long after you close the app it gets booted from RAM / How long it stays in RAM after you close it, and by far the most control & customizability of any Task Manager out there
most others are designed to "Kill Apps" but that doesnt solve the problem..
it is true that Unused RAM is Wasted RAM, but you also need to have control over what exactly is in the RAM, and what isnt, for it to be anything other than counter-productive and harmful to the performance of your Android System
I think this power should come standard in all Androids..
its a bit confusing to get all set up, but it does have Widgets in the "Android" section (of Yandex) and in ATM's settings you can specify an action for clicking the widget.
so now all my important apps are safe from ever quitting, such as swapps, floating keys, exernal2internal, etc..
and all the apps I bring up frequently (chat clients, etc) get to remain in RAM
and programs I often need to close in more of a minimize state (like Office, Notes, etc.) are now also safe from being kicked out RAM
and every single thing else gets booted out of my RAM, to be sure theres room for all the stuff I actually want in there
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I always try to unload my phone APP, but always uninstall failed. :crying:

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Lindsay02 said:
I always try to unload my phone APP, but always uninstall failed. :crying:
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ya, i've ran into apps that wont uninstall..
which is why the other thing missing is a better way to control apps behavior, at the launch point
Of course you can try to boot into safe mode and try deleting apps, you can force quit them & clear the cache then try to uninstall, but some apps you want on your device because they're useful, you just dont want them to start up by themselves at strange times.. and alot of apps wont stop being intrusive even if they are taken off the Boot list
There's just too much crapware out there disguised as legitimate programs because of an excessive amount of bad /poor/weak/unethical coders
it makes a strong argument for a 100 dollar buy-in for Android devs, like Apple & WinPhone have
however, the largest party responsible for the troubles we face is the devs of the OS itself. the android phone team.. for making all this possible
and 2nd to that group are the many ROM devs, the Telecom Carriers as well as the Private ROM devs.. many ROMs are actually made with stuff you cant ever delete, even in Superuser mode.
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Today I turned on my phone screen and SuperSU was just sitting there waiting for me, asking me to allow something called 10068 to have root permissions, I totally spaced out and hit the wrong thing with my thumb... 10086 is my Telecom Carrier company, i thought it was that.
it created a blank entry in SuperSU permissions that couldnt be deleted or forgotten, and every time I clicked "forget", SuperSU would crash
and there was literally nothing anywhere I could do to try and figure out what the problem was..
Avast didnt recognize anything either
and I have some blank space in my Apps folder too, like some invisible program or something
I looked through the running processes and couldnt find anything
It might be from Tencent, that would definitely be about par for the course for that company
I had to re-root my phone to reset permissions, but who knows what kind of malicious code was already executed by that point.
I swapped SuperSU for Vroot SuperUser, which gives me alot of control over boot apps, running processes, etc.. which I can use with Android Task Manager to manage most things..
anyway, its running pretty smooth at the moment.. hope it keeps up
but all this could have been avoided with a platform made for me, and not for malicious coders & Corporate coders

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Another thing about Android apps, is they are made for mobile phones, meaning they are made to be turned off, kicked out of memory, and start back up as fast as possible, with being auto-kicked out of memory or not having no impact on your phone or the app itself
Even my largest game boots up in a matter of seconds, after being auto-kicked out of memory
maybe when android first came out that was a different story, but older phones usually didnt even have enough RAM to keep many programs in them anyway
but phones today are pretty powerful & fast, CPUs are speedy Dual & Quad core, GPUs are fast & powerful, and RAM has increased, albeit very slowly.. and so has RAM speed
even if you kick your biggest programs out of RAM, the programs you think you need right away, they start right back up anyway, only difference is you might get a splash screen for a few seconds.
Maybe Android users have been trained to dread starting up a program from the single-core days, but those days are pretty much gone..
I dont see much performance difference between a program starting from out of RAM and a program starting in RAM
thus, RAM should be used for programs that contain actual data you are currently working on, and need to switch between
Android is lacking a basic "Switch Program" or "Minimize Program" function, and everything is just lumped in together with closed programs and programs you dont need in a "Recently Used" programs list which just sits and cycles random programs through RAM according to the time they were closed.
thats about as unspecific as you can even get.. at least they could give us the option to select how Programs are cycled through RAM, such as by Frequency of use, Duration of use, etc.. or let us assign programs an "Android RAM Rating Preference" of 1 to 5 stars, with the higher stars remaining in memory as Higher Priority Processes
and thats something Android could throw together if they really actually cared about the quality of their OS, rather than in its ways it can be used to promote & advertise.
You often hear that "Programs dont do anything in Android RAM but take up space", and thats literally exactly my whole point. So, cool you know, i'm totally stoked that I have 500 mb more RAM so I can store even more "Programs that dont do anything but take up space" in there, and actually have the same exact amount of free RAM you get on an older phone.
RAM is needed to run processes smoothly.. in fact... and that includes the OS, your Launcher & Home Screen, all your Widgets, Games, Reference Material, Office Programs, and whatever else.
it actually takes time, energy, & resources for Android to remove processes from memory in order to make room for new processes. Only difference is if you let Android control it, it happens while you're doing other important things that could cause performance issues
and your newly opened application may initially require 20 MB ram, which android will have to adjust for, then go up to 50 which android will have to slow down & adjust for, then go up to a hundred, which android will have to adjust for,.. and if it goes back down to 50, android will slow to allow more spammy crap back into RAM, and so on and so on
its actually reading & writing to RAM a whole lot more than if you just kicked the process out altogether
the only drawback I can see to that is companies not being able to keep their programs in RAM for covert sending of data without being noticeable by the user, cause it was just so fast cause it was sitting in RAM ready to go.
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Archer said:
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Thanks for the pic - it makes what I'm about to do even harder
This is not a constructive or useful thread. It's just yet another in a long line of rants by you against Android and Google. This is a development site, and we're not focused on negativity here (especially when it's incoherent rambling). Please stop creating rant threads.
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