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Hello!
I've had my black X10 for exactly a year now.
Yesterday, I gave it to my father and bought a new white one.
What I noticed comparing the two phones is that
on the same brightness levels, on the same ROM,
the colors were much much more vibrant on the new X10.
The old X10's screen looked very dull in comparison.
I don't remember how the screen was when I bought my first X10, to be honest, so
could it be that the display degrades over time?
UPDATE: Or they are just using a different LCD panel?
Video Comparison Coming Soon!
It might be the screen protector that made it to look fade
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My_Immortal said:
Hello!
I've had my black X10 for exactly a year now.
Yesterday, I gave it to my father and bought a new white one.
What I noticed comparing the two phones is that
on the same brightness levels, on the same ROM,
the colors were much much more vibrant on the new X10.
The old X10's screen looked very dull in comparison.
So, has anyone else noticed that his display degrades over time?
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Hi My_Immortal,
It may be related to the fact that there are at least 3 different LCD panels used in X10:
Code:
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_OLD_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_NEW_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_SHARP_PANEL
Cheers,
z
zdzihu said:
Hi My_Immortal,
It may be related to the fact that there are at least 3 different LCD panels used in X10:
Code:
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_OLD_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_NEW_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_SHARP_PANEL
Cheers,
z
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anyway of finding out which ones we have?? cheers
Hi, yes it's possible
In /drivers/video/msm/mddi_tmd_nt35580.c, there's a function for that:
Code:
static void nt35580_lcd_set_client_id(void)
{
int ret = 0;
ret = read_client_reg(DEVICE_CODE_READ);
if (0x58 == ret) {
client_id = CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_NEW_DRIC;
} else if (0x55 == ret) {
ret = read_client_reg(VENDOR_CODE_READ);
if (0x00 == ret)
client_id = CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_OLD_DRIC;
else if (0x01 == ret)
client_id = CLIENT_ID_SHARP_PANEL;
else
client_id = CLIENT_ID_INVALID;
} else {
client_id = CLIENT_ID_INVALID;
}
}
You would need to add some simple printf to see your panel id in kernel log (dmesg).
Cheers,
z
zdzihu said:
Hi My_Immortal,
It may be related to the fact that there are at least 3 different LCD panels used in X10:
Code:
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_OLD_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_NEW_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_SHARP_PANEL
Cheers,
z
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Didn't expect to see you posting here, thank you so much for the reply!!!
I didn't know about that, so I'll check to see if they have different panels.
Come to think of it, the white one (the new) is Xperia X10 HD,
and it might be practically the same phone, but it was launched afterwards,
so it makes even more sense.
Yes I bought my xperia x10 from Amazon last week it had 2.1 rom and the colors are awesome. I think new x10s have very good display.
ankur3467 said:
Yes I bought my xperia x10 from Amazon last week it had 2.1 rom and the colors are awesome. I think new x10s have very good display.
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Hmmm... Maybe the HD version of the X10 was a little different after all, who knew?
When I bought my used X10i through Amazon, it came preinstalled with Android 2.1.
The colors are vibrant and pretty much comparable to my Cowon S9 (Amoled)
Dreaming with colors...
Hi.
Anyone know if any new X10 has the 16 M display driver?
In my phone any full color photo is striped with ugly gradients, like thick hallos, due to the 65 K. Are the same with all of you?
In the attached photo I exaggerated somehow the thing so everyone can see what I'm trying to say, but paying attention, all of our best photos have the trouble.
Anybody knows anything concrete about the 16 M for X10?
P.S.: Sorry for the English. If it is almost illegible, can someone translate to real English, please?
clixt said:
When I bought my used X10i through Amazon, it came preinstalled with Android 2.1.
The colors are vibrant and pretty much comparable to my Cowon S9 (Amoled)
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that's what I am saying x10s with preinstalled with 2.1 (so called HD) have better colors than previous one's.
zdzihu said:
Hi My_Immortal,
It may be related to the fact that there are at least 3 different LCD panels used in X10:
Code:
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_OLD_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_TMD_PANEL_NEW_DRIC,
CLIENT_ID_SHARP_PANEL
Cheers,
z
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Has anyone tried to watch what kind of screen we have like Z explain?maybe someone can post some result so we can compare x10 with x10 hd and find a solution!!
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I really have not noticed any issue's.
My screen is as it was when i bought it.
Later today I will try to shoot a video or take some photos
comparing the two displays!
My_Immortal said:
Later today I will try to shoot a video or take some photos
comparing the two displays!
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Maybe as Z said.. they are different models?
OmegaRED^ said:
Maybe as Z said.. they are different models?
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Yeah, we've pretty much established that.
Now I want to gather visual evidence!
Slightly off topic, or maybe not....lol
But When I got my x10 3 months ago, preloaded with 1.6, the screen colours were horrible. It looked exactly like that photo you posted. But when I got the update to 2.1 it seemed to have a much higher screen quality. I think I read somewhere that android 1.6 had a limitation in the ammout of screen colours it could display, which was removed in later versions...or I could be going mad...
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Andre Verissimo said:
Hi.
Anyone know if any new X10 has the 16 M display driver?
In my phone any full color photo is striped with ugly gradients, like thick hallos, due to the 65 K. Are the same with all of you?
In the attached photo I exaggerated somehow the thing so everyone can see what I'm trying to say, but paying attention, all of our best photos have the trouble.
Anybody knows anything concrete about the 16 M for X10?
P.S.: Sorry for the English. If it is almost illegible, can someone translate to real English, please?
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I believe it was said we have 16m colors but the. But SE Chose not to implement it. Manet it could come in the big gb. Update
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My_Immortal said:
Yeah, we've pretty much established that.
Now I want to gather visual evidence!
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Also some roms have visual dithering enabled some don't.
WB latest 007 update enables it by default.
But the setting was available before the 007.
"WARNING dragons ahead!"
OmegaRED^ said:
Also some roms have visual dithering enabled some don't.
WB latest 007 update enables it by default.
But the setting was available before the 007.
"WARNING dragons ahead!"
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OK, no offense, but did you read the OP???
My_Immortal said:
What I noticed comparing the two phones is that
on the same brightness levels, on the same ROM,
the colors were much much more vibrant on the new X10.
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Sadly, Google Nexus 10 will not get the Translucent Navigation and Notification Bars with the Android 4.4.1 KitKat update, which allow the wallpaper to go full screen from top to bottom like in the Nexus 5.
Google devs Disabled the Translucent bars on Nexus 10 (Manta) because it "performs poorly on this device"... 2GB Ram and a powerful Quad-core Mali TS04 GPU and it performs poorly ?! May be because of the High-res display, I personally think it's a GPU issue.
I know not everyone cares about a the "Translucent bar" issue that can easily be reverted, but what I am trying to find out is a reasonable explanation from Google regarding this matter.
Manta source code includes the following code listed on [config.xml] which contains the device configurations, Screenshot below too.
Code:
<!-- Translucent status & navigation bars perform poorly on this device -->
<bool name="config_enableTranslucentDecor">false</bool>
* Update [5-Nov]: I have contacted Google and currently awaiting a response, Hopefully I will get one...
* Google Reply [8-Nov]: Google's reply was a little disappointing but at least they promised to tell the users if they will "remove" any feature from the update, which is good. Here is the email:
Hi Joseph,
Thank you for contacting Google, I'd be happy to help you out with your question on the KitKat update. I'll do my best to provide you with a solution.
Unfortunately, at this point in time, we can only provide information for updates that are supported by your device right now. Google will let all of their customers about what the new update includes. You will not be left in the dark on what Google added/removed from the update.
Regards,
*******
The Google Team
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Latest KitKat 4.4 build for Nexus 10 is (KRT16S)
Unbelievable! Hope they give us, at least, the option to activate it.
That's disappointing. Will the devs be able to enable it?
Warren_Orange said:
That's disappointing. Will the devs be able to enable it?
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Yes, all they have to do is to change the manta source code
Code:
<bool name="config_enableTranslucentDecor">false</bool>
to
Code:
<bool name="config_enableTranslucentDecor">true</bool>
“Sorry guys, your high end device just can't support what is essentially an extremely minor change. Don't worry, there's good news: you can throw down another $500 on the new nexus 10 when it comes out. We promise to fully support it.“
[sent from my nexus 10]
That's crazy, I have transparent nav bar and status bar on my home screen thru PA. Idk what Google is doing, but the translucent bars work perfectly the way PA is doing it.
The way things have been going with android lately, I'm surprised we're getting kit kat at all. This is most likely my last nexus device, maybe even android.
The Google experience launcher also performs quite poorly on my n10 while it runs perfectly smooth on my n4.
schmolch said:
The Google experience launcher also performs quite poorly on my n10 while it runs perfectly smooth on my n4.
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I think it either the GPU or the Screen resolution 2560x1600 that cause the problem, but why ?
Actually, now that I think about it I have an alternate theory.
There's a very good chance I'm off base here, but on my Nexus 10 I've noticed that there are some very occasional graphical glitches ( back lights flickering, and horizontal lines) that have to do with things been overlaid on top of each other. Maybe the transparency was causing similar graphical glitches. That said, if that is the reason they decided to leave it out then Google really screwed up here. They need to fix the underlying problem, not just remove transparency from the status bar.
[sent from my nexus 10]
I hope 4.4 improves performance! My N10 feels so... Outdated. Its not laggy as such but its definitely not smooth!
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Did they give a more exact release date for manta? Haven't seen any firm date in my searches is why I ask. But it appears the source is ready for release with this kind if detail.
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Nathtech said:
I hope 4.4 improves performance! My N10 feels so... Outdated. Its not laggy as such but its definitely not smooth!
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My N10 has never been "smooth" since the day I opened the box. Stock or custom roms, many different kernels and I still feel like I took a $500 dollar hit for a 350 dollar tablet. I am considering selling it
Lesser Version said:
My N10 has never been "smooth" since the day I opened the box. Stock or custom roms, many different kernels and I still feel like I took a $500 dollar hit for a 350 dollar tablet. I am considering selling it
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At least wait until KitKat, you never know what it might do to our tablet.
Also, isn't it weird that every other nexus device including the gnex already has a 4.4 ROM, whilst we still don't? I really want to try it out!
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tgrgrd00 said:
Did they give a more exact release date for manta? Haven't seen any firm date in my searches is why I ask. But it appears the source is ready for release with this kind if detail.
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No date yet, the source is still a work in progress... but it doesn't look good for the manta so far! it's the only device that have this feature disabled without a reasonable explanation.
The final 4.4 hasn't even been released for the Nexus 10 yet guys, relax.
The Mali T604 is a bottleneck for the nexus 10.
It has the same memory bandwidth as ipad 3 & 4 12.8gbps but pushing almost 25% more pixels. On top of that android is not as GPU optimized.
While the t604 would be great at 720 and 1080p, 2560x1600 is maxing out the gpus capabilities.
guitarofozz said:
The final 4.4 hasn't even been released for the Nexus 10 yet guys, relax.
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Yeah, we're gonna have it thru PA anyways. But if that is official, I'm not too fond of Google's decisions lately. No transparent bars for us, no 4.4 (the version of android for older devices) on older Nexi.
Its VERY small things that really don't affect me personally, but y'know.
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Indiwiz said:
Yeah, we're gonna have it thru PA anyways. But if that is official, I'm not too fond of Google's decisions lately. No transparent bars for us, no 4.4 (the version of android for older devices) on older Nexi.
Its VERY small things that really don't affect me personally, but y'know.
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Ehhh... I think its fine. Aokp also has the transparent status bar and as someone else pointed out all you have to do is change one little line to true. It is a little worrying that theynsay it causes problems though. I hope Google doesn't slack on us. Anyways as people have mentioned the manta hasn't even been released officially yet so we can't be sure it won't change right?
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abdel12345 said:
Ehhh... I think its fine. Aokp also has the transparent status bar and as someone else pointed out all you have to do is change one little line to true. It is a little worrying that theynsay it causes problems though. I hope Google doesn't slack on us. Anyways as people have mentioned the manta hasn't even been released officially yet so we can't be sure it won't change right?
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You're 100% right. I don't think Google will let us down though.
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http://m.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-sirius-android-4-4-kitkat-337202/
Check it out. We might even be getting some of these features
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I like the 4k recording option as well as 120fps.
Is this leak for z ultra?
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atrix2 said:
Is this leak for z ultra?
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This leak is for new upcoming sony phone may be Z2.
Although we may get that feature I dont think we will
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I think some feature on da list need new hardware to work !!!
JackHanAnLG said:
Although we may get that feature I dont think we will
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Let's run through the list.
4K Video Recording: Needs a physical component to match, so no.
TimeShift Video: Also requires something physical.
Glove Mode: I suppose this means that it'll work with gloves or something? I've never had a problem with the Z Ultra responding to me with gloves on
Smart Backlight Control: This we could get, and it would be interesting. Probably a battery drain.
Double Tap to Wake: I'm curious how they do this; My guess is that they don't turn the touch screen off even when the screen is off... which we could emulate, but that's a battery drain too.
Built-in Answering Machine: Yeah, we could get that. I'm not entirely sure why one would want that, but we could get it.
Launcher Choice: We can easily get this.
Audio Accessories Functionality: This seriously just sounds like they're going to update their Smart Connect app to handle this stuff.
USB DAC: Definately needs a hardware component.
Notification Dropdown Customization: Wait, we can't do that yet?
Default SMS App: Again, we couldn't do that before? We totally SHOULD get that.
Printing: Should be getting that.
What's New: It's an app and looks like their replacement of Google Now... If they do it right, could work. We'll probably get it.
White Icons/Transparent Nav Bar: I could have sworn the thing already did this, but regardless, that's probably comming in the 4.4 update.
Close All Apps: That'll be added for sure.
The things to be most excited about propbably all require some hardware component, while the things that are expected with the 4.4 update will come easily.
Shadow of Chaos said:
Let's run through the list.
4K Video Recording: Needs a physical component to match, so no.
TimeShift Video: Also requires something physical.
Glove Mode: I suppose this means that it'll work with gloves or something? I've never had a problem with the Z Ultra responding to me with gloves on
Smart Backlight Control: This we could get, and it would be interesting. Probably a battery drain.
Double Tap to Wake: I'm curious how they do this; My guess is that they don't turn the touch screen off even when the screen is off... which we could emulate, but that's a battery drain too.
Built-in Answering Machine: Yeah, we could get that. I'm not entirely sure why one would want that, but we could get it.
Launcher Choice: We can easily get this.
Audio Accessories Functionality: This seriously just sounds like they're going to update their Smart Connect app to handle this stuff.
USB DAC: Definately needs a hardware component.
Notification Dropdown Customization: Wait, we can't do that yet?
Default SMS App: Again, we couldn't do that before? We totally SHOULD get that.
Printing: Should be getting that.
What's New: It's an app and looks like their replacement of Google Now... If they do it right, could work. We'll probably get it.
White Icons/Transparent Nav Bar: I could have sworn the thing already did this, but regardless, that's probably comming in the 4.4 update.
Close All Apps: That'll be added for sure.
The things to be most excited about propbably all require some hardware component, while the things that are expected with the 4.4 update will come easily.
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Glove Mode: Yes, this is so we can use it with gloves on, but the Ultra doesn't have issues with (thin) gloves, so meh..
Smart Backlight Control: This is a software feature, so we could easily get it.
Double Tap to Wake: It'll work on the Ultra, but i'm not sure how it works.
Notification Dropdown Customization: We'll get the Quick Toggles like in AOSP (but skinned), so that's probably what they mean.
Default SMS App: Yes, we can do this today, but KitKat introduced its own API to handle this, so it's officially a native feature, which isn't the case on older firmwares. It's a stock 4.4 feature, and that's pretty much it.
Printing: This is also a stock 4.4 feature, so we'll get it.
What's New: 100% software, so we'll probably get it. This is bloat in my eyes though, so i'll remove it.
White Icons/Transparent Nav Bar: 4.4 introduced transparent statusbar and navbar, so it's required to have white statusbar icons so the statusbar icons doesn't clash with the rest of the UI. It's a requirement from Google.
LordManhattan said:
Glove Mode: Yes, this is so we can use it with gloves on, but the Ultra doesn't have issues with (thin) gloves, so meh..
Smart Backlight Control: This is a software feature, so we could easily get it.
Double Tap to Wake: It'll work on the Ultra, but i'm not sure how it works.
Notification Dropdown Customization: We'll get the Quick Toggles like in AOSP (but skinned), so that's probably what they mean.
Default SMS App: Yes, we can do this today, but KitKat introduced its own API to handle this, so it's officially a native feature, which isn't the case on older firmwares. It's a stock 4.4 feature, and that's pretty much it.
Printing: This is also a stock 4.4 feature, so we'll get it.
What's New: 100% software, so we'll probably get it. This is bloat in my eyes though, so i'll remove it.
White Icons/Transparent Nav Bar: 4.4 introduced transparent statusbar and navbar, so it's required to have white statusbar icons so the statusbar icons doesn't clash with the rest of the UI. It's a requirement from Google.
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in other words, no real news...
blueether said:
in other words, no real news...
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Yeah, we could say that
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LordManhattan said:
Yeah, we could say that
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Or we could wait for actual release before making wrong conclusion
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krabappel2548 said:
Or we could wait for actual release before making wrong conclusion
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Neeh, it's not like we don't know what 4.4 introduces, so it's fairly accurate to say that it won't bring anything "new" to the table
What I already know is that I'll remove quite a lot of unnecessary features that I'm not going to use. That I can tell you
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I've heard a lot of people complaining that Sony is going the "Samsung way", adding more and more layers to an up-until-now almost-vanilla stock Sony rom.
I don't think that at all. Almost everyone of those updates adds something new that could be useful but most likely will not choke the processor or use the whole 2GB of Ram memory.
The most useful feature I see is the knock on one, because it actually is a pain in the arse to get to that micro button, especially with a cover/bumper on.
Adjustable white balance could be good, but I don't personally need it. I don't care about gloves, nor I care about the smart backlight: never used on Sammy, will never use it on Sony.
Answering machine? No way, I hate those things.
We will for sure get printing options (not that I print the that much from my phone), audio accessories functionality (depending on how they'll develop them, this could be useful) notification dropdown customization (I have mixed feelings about this, but I could get used to the AOSP notification system) what's new (more like who cares) white icons and transparent status bar (although now everything is customizable through themes) and close all apps (a thing you can get right now, even if you're not rooted or unlocked. See http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=49517494, install, reboot, get the "close all" button. It is a Sony app after all.).
The only features we definitely won't have will be 4K recording and timeshift video, but anyone with a Ultra most likely won't care about camera features in the first place.
P. S. The knock on feature can be enabled in several devices with a specific kernel, so the battery drain isn't that much, and by the way, the S800 processor is the same used by LG G2.
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fastest83 said:
P. S. The knock on feature can be enabled in several devices with a specific kernel, so the battery drain isn't that much, and by the way, the S800 processor is the same used by LG G2.
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Ah yes, the S800 has a low power mode like the Moto X, so it won't actually use a lot of power in standby. Totally forgot about that
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LordManhattan said:
Ah yes, the S800 has a low power mode like the Moto X, so it won't actually use a lot of power in standby. Totally forgot about that
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I love it because I'm always right.
If Sony does its homework and brings 4.4 in February/March, I won't give up and remain stock.
If not, GPe, here I come...
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doesn't our chipset support 4k? so the update could be software related
velvetmxo said:
doesn't our chipset support 4k? so the update could be software related
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It does, actually.
Problem is the camera isn't capable of 4K recording.
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fastest83 said:
It does, actually.
Problem is the camera isn't capable of 4K recording.
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that's right our award winning camera. :silly:
velvetmxo said:
that's right our award winning camera. :silly:
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Rumor has James Cameron bought 50 Ultras to film his next colossal.
True story.
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fastest83 said:
Rumor has James Cameron bought 50 Ultras to film his next colossal.
True story.
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Yup, here's the first leaked shot from Avatar 2 filmed with the Ultra.
Hi all
when i bought the xperia Z ultra for the first time under the android 4.2, it had the best color rendering of the market. the colors vividness and the details on the viewed video's where incomparable.
I never updated till kitkat....but after the lastest updates, and that damned "white balance", the screen of my xperia Z ultra became identical to my old xperia Z, faded colors with white dominance.
do not tell me that i have just to adjust the white balance and it will be fine, it has nothing to do, and it will not change anything.
only people who have purchased or have seen the Xperia Z ultra at the time of the android 4.2 can understand me...
on this video:
youtube: panasonic beautiful girl :
at the 1:04 minute, I was able to clearly read the brand of shoe, as well as clearly see the sewing on the strings of the sandal. the colors from the beginning of the video until the end was very intence and vivid, up to turn the galaxy note3 jealous, but after updates, this is no longer possible
I thought moving from 4.3 to kitkat, sony would remedy this problem and take off this stupide "white balance" and return to the best work it has done at the beginning , but sadly, this is not the case.
are we supposed to wait for a new update that will fix this? or what is done now become our sad reality? because i bought the xperia Z ultra for it distinction against the xperia Z in colors vivacity on videos. i don't like the idea of having now just a larger xperia Z !!!
Plz can someone explain me what wrong ? Was the backlight + bravia Engin better then x-reality + triluminos ?
Ty in advance.....
Umm...Z Ultra had X Reality and Triluminos display from the start. That didn't really change you know.
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Sadman Khan said:
Umm...Z Ultra had X Reality and Triluminos display from the start. That didn't really change you know.
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Indeed. There was no change just the ability to adjust if wanted to.
Triluminos is hardware tech. One can't 'remove' it.
While I will agree that there is some difference in the display, most of it is for the good. Bravia/X-Reality on Sony and the AMOLED screens on the Samsungs make the screen oversaturated. Most probably, it is this oversaturation (not sure if this is a real word :silly you miss.
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warfareonly said:
Triluminos is hardware tech. One can't 'remove' it.
While I will agree that there is some difference in the display, most of it is for the good. Bravia/X-Reality on Sony and the AMOLED screens on the Samsungs make the screen oversaturated. Most probably, it is this oversaturation (not sure if this is a real word :silly you miss.
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I agree, look for and turn on xreality (we never had bravia2 on the ZU) if you want [over] saturated colours
Have you unlocked the bootloader at any stage or rooted?
no never.
I have an Xperia Z ultra from Vodafone.
I can guarantee you that the difference in the display/colors on the Z ultra with the first android version is by far better VS when the mobile got "white balance" I have the old Xperia Z, and my brother has the note3, I never updated my phone from it's first version only when kitkat come.
before I update, my resolution was by far better than the Xperia Z, and for the first time, I complexes my brother who buys always samsung device (me Sony) in this area. I swear that the difference was so huge that even a colorblind will be surprised how it can be..
the Xperia ultra had better color, the RED/blue color was hilarious, all colors were more vivid and sharp vs super amoled. but now, they are exactly the same as on the Xperia Z, any difference at all, sometimes a little better on some picture, but nothing serious.
I did a side by side with an Xperia Z ultra 4.3...it had the same screen resolution as I'm now.
if someone had the opportunity of seeing the screen of the Xperia Z ultra on its first launch (when it was with black UI not white as now), he will certainly approve what I'm saying.
if only I could go back to the first 4.2 without bootloader :crying:
hi
i know that the triluminos is the new led blue color under the screen VS white used before on all TFT.
i just missed to say that i was talking about screen calibration after the 4.3/4.4 update (if u notice now the z ultra with triluminos VS the Z without it, they are no difference at all)
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turning on/off x-reality does not make a big difference on all videos. on some who are full HD there is no difference at all.
I'm sure that on the 4.2, although written X-reality, it was bravia Engine2.
the real new x-reality was brough just after the update, before was only the name x-reality written to hide the old bravia engine.
X-reality doesn't oversaturate colours anymore like BE2. It only enhances the sharpness of the image and gives a little colour boost so that the colours don't seem false and hence "real"
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can we have BE2 on the z ultra plz without root or botloader?
No you need Root or Unlocked Bootloader for it
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but the function Triluminos, is also removed one after the root, I confirm that the audio + s-Force and all other functions for audio work properly. I could not try with the miracast and the mirror, having a compatible TV. I sincerely look a little duller colors of the icons, and seem less detailed, I have to check with another z3, I can just go to a store where it is exposed. can anyone confirm the loss of quality of the display even if the developer who did the root can give us more info about it
I got a new warranty replacement and just noticed it has "black clipping/crush". Not sure if it's something I never checked to notice before but this replacement display is a little strange too.
Anyway if some people could please check the attached image to see if their display can show the lowest level of black 1. I took the image from an old Note thread. I can only see as low as 6 in Chrome and 3 in Quickpic. Brightness needs to be around at least 50% to allow the lower range to be visible.
If this is a normal issue then it's likely a fault fixable in kernel. I know my last AMOLED a GS3 had this fixed by custom kernel, seems it was a mdnie driver fault https://github.com/AndreiLux/Perseus-S3/commit/9a8a38667bb081fa83c583ef12ad81d7df359066 Don't know if that can apply to us but if it's confirmed a fault I'll look for more recent information. Thanks
With my phone I can see only until level 5 with maximum light but I can guess the number 4 and the lines until the lowest level.
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With my phone I can see only until level 5 with maximum light but I can guess the number 4 and the lines until the lowest level.
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The numbers should be visible down to 1 when working properly. I've seen it fixed before on the old GS3. Each step down is a gradual step down shade darker. With black clipping there's a sudden drop to black after a particular number.
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My screen works fine. Perhaps it comes from the picture.
You should try Display tester to check your screen.
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My screen works fine. Perhaps it comes from the picture.
You should try Display tester to check your screen.
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Display Tester app is where I first noticed it with the similar test under Black saturation. If it's just my device it could be a hardware fault or ROM/Kernel setup. I'm on RR-O with Hellsgate Kernel 3. This current display does have a bad off tint spreading from the bottom right corner. Need more samples to narrow the issue down.
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I got a new warranty replacement and just noticed it has "black clipping/crush". Not sure if it's something I never checked to notice before but this replacement display is a little strange too.
Anyway if some people could please check the attached image to see if their display can show the lowest level of black 1. I took the image from an old Note thread. I can only see as low as 6 in Chrome and 3 in Quickpic. Brightness needs to be around at least 50% to allow the lower range to be visible.
If this is a normal issue then it's likely a fault fixable in kernel. I know my last AMOLED a GS3 had this fixed by custom kernel, seems it was a mdnie driver fault https://github.com/AndreiLux/Perseus-S3/commit/9a8a38667bb081fa83c583ef12ad81d7df359066 Don't know if that can apply to us but if it's confirmed a fault I'll look for more recent information. Thanks
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I talked to a dev about this and he had no idea what i was talking about ? let's hope someone sees this and cares about it
I'm seeing 3 with the latest AEX and full brightness on XDA Labs
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I talked to a dev about this and he had no idea what i was talking about let's hope someone sees this and cares about it
I'm seeing 3 with the latest AEX and full brightness on XDA Labs
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Still need samples to narrow the issue. Just searched and found this "Pixel 2 XL vs Samsung S7 edge Black Crush Test at max brightness". So 3 isn't so bad compared to the latest greatest Pixel at 9, but that's LG's first generation P-OLED for you. More relevant is the S7E has our same display down to 1 so the display's evidently capable, just incorrectly set somewhere. Interestingly it's also easy to find complaints of GS8 and GS9 series black crush/gradient banding issues
Looked up if there's a fix out for the newer Galaxies and it seems not from recent GS9+ discussion. Custom developer work on Samsung display mdnie hasn't progressed in a few generations https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=76532055&postcount=721. I guess it is what it is, at least it's not as bad as some of those recent flagships, those complaints on the GS9+ thread about gradient banding sound terrible and apparently some update improved that but worsened black crush at the same time.
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I'm seeing 3 with the latest AEX and full brightness on XDA Labs
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Haha similar, using XDA Free on 50% brightness I can see until 3
EDIT: ok tried with max brightness(auto brightness off) and can confirm still 3 so I guess that's as good as we get xP
How about official N and O stock? Could it be an AOSP fault?
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How about official N and O stock? Could it be an AOSP fault?
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No, it's normal on every friggin build i tried. I guess it should be possible to fix this with files from the S7E/Pixel XL?
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My screen works fine. Perhaps it comes from the picture.
You should try Display tester to check your screen.
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You completely sure? It's known to be pretty bad
You know I don't have a very good sight anymore. So, for me the screen is pretty good.
OK I've tried again tonight, and with full luminosity I clearly see until 4 and I can guess the shape of the 3.
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You know I don't have a very good sight anymore. So, for me the screen is pretty good.
OK I've tried again tonight, and with full luminosity I clearly see until 4 and I can guess the shape of the 3.
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well, that's the problem. If you watch some video or movie with much black, you'll see this in a lot of places, it's like you see black where there should be gray and it's really unsettling tbh
Ok, I've understood.
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I am very curious to have the black crush resolved also. I played with all the settings on KCal and none really helped
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Have you told any dev about this? NFound, maybe Kranoner, SaintZ, Orden?
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No I haven't. I figure they have enough on their plate for fixes already. When considering this is exists on multiple devices with no fix. Someone can point the thread out to a dev if they want
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Been watching more videos on my A7 now and decided to revisit this old dead topic. I found similar to other devices discussion on the issue you can workaround a fix using an overlay app called Screen Balance. Using this my cinematic viewing experience is heavily improved in very dark scenes. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.uk.quickdoc.screenbalance
As our panel works apparently in the S7E/PXL and for us is only slightly lacking we only need to apply a little fix. Raising "strength" gamma in the app just enough that 1 on the chart shows works well. The free version with fluorescent (neutral no change) balance and 10% strength works on two tested A7's. If going paid pro you can have run on boot and tint/rgb mode that require 3/1% strength respectively instead. The other modes aren't visibly different and aren't necessary to this workaround fix. Hope you enjoy this fix three years after the phone's release
extra note: I watch content at 80% brightness when focusing on fidelity and that's what I tested by
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note the overlay leaves scrolling laggy unless you enable Disable HW overlays in Developer Settings.
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Making the changes you describe crushes whites unfortunately, so whilst shadow detail is preserved, whites are not. May just be by aging display of course.