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Is the Flyer plagued with the movie playback woes of the Tegra2 chipset that all the current flock of Android tablets seem to have?
Anyone played a 720/1080p MKV video on this tablet?
MKV 1080p videos play like ****, Vplayer, jerky and artifacting. Samsung Galaxy S2 plays much much better, like, perfect.
True the SGS2 does, but so does my old Vibrant. I am more concerned about the tablets and if I should be waiting for the HTC 10" tablet or get one available now. The video playback capability will seal the deal for me.
caysman said:
MKV 1080p videos play like ****, Vplayer, jerky and artifacting. Samsung Galaxy S2 plays much much better, like, perfect.
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first of all they have to put the ntfs compatibility to let us upload files over 4gbyte.
I can't imagine that using a capable processor like this one I can't play at lease 720p movies !
I'm looking for advice on media players for the evo 3D - since I originally hoped it'd be a portable player to match the format compatibility of my HTPC. It looks like I was a little optimistic in that regard, primarily because I knew the chip was 1080P capable. My primary issue with blu-ray rips is that when using MoboPlayer and mVideoPlayer - I can usually get my 720P rips to play back video, but I lose the audio. I'm fairly certain that I'm using the unconverted blu-ray audio - and neither of these apps can handle the codec. Is there another app that can do this without having to convert?
I know how to convert the audio easily - but I was hoping for a drag and drop solution. I don't want to end up with large files for my HTPC and different ones for on-the-go use.
Besides that, 1080P videos would be hampered by Android's (or should I say FAT32's) inability to handle files above 4GB. I'd previously heard rumors that in the future Android would be able to able to access XFAT partitions and that might eliminate the file limitation - but I've heard nothing concrete. Anybody have any useful info on this topic?
I know that a certain amount of readers will ask why this is necessary in a portable device, but a lot of us look at these phones as a digital swiss army knife. To me, there's definitely the allure of potentially bringing just the phone and an HDMI cable to my girlfriend's house in order to share a bluray as opposed to bringing the bluray player, disc, cables, etc.
Well - the only partial solution I've found is the arcMedia media player. It supports a52 (AC3) audio, but unfortunately - the 720P video I threw at it played remarkably choppy. Totally unwatchable.
Doh - I guess I'm talking to myself. But in case someone else is reading this in hopes of a solution, I think I've figured out that MoboPlayer and one other media player I just found - can play the audio if I switch to software decoding. Unfortunately, if I do so - 720P video becomes unwatchable. HTC didn't give us surround sound codecs, which is disappointing.
The only possible solution or workaround would be if the video decoding could be handled separately from audio in one of these media players. But I'm not going to get my hopes up.
In the meantime, I guess I better get used to converting AC3 audio in my MKV's - and making sure none of my portable files are above 4 gigs.
Diceplayer!!!!!!!!!! Try it!!!!
DDiaz007 said:
Diceplayer!!!!!!!!!! Try it!!!!
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OK - I tried IMPlayer+ and Vitalplayer based on recommendations I found elsewhere and neither worked as I'd hoped. Diceplayer however, appears to have done the trick! It's a $5 app, but I'm going to try it for 3 days and test it out first. Thank you very much for the recommendation.
The dev who wrote that software claims the Galaxy S2 is capable of 1080P MKV playback with AC3 audio. I'm going to see if I can track down a similar sample under 4 gigs to test on the Evo 3D. As of now - 720P is working beautifully.
Now there's just two more things that I'm hoping will happen to make this the perfect mobile HD video player:
1) Android somehow allowing a format that accepts files above 4gigs.
2) Actually being able to output 1080P to an external screen via HDMI. I'm sure we'll be able to HDMI mirror the screen, but the file's resolution will be lost in that case. Hopefully Diceplayer or another app will enable HD out.
I'm not holding my breath for either, but I can hope.
Just a couple thoughts. I encode all my videos to .mp4, at their native resolution (1080p for bd, or eve res for dvds). Using a bitrate between 1500-2000 will get u under 2GB for an entire movie and maintain video quality to near original.
As much as I'd like 5.1 surround sound, that really only matters if u can output it via hdmi. In ur case I understand the desire bc u have other media players.
I agree, HTC/android should include support for 5.1 audio, and additionally I feel .Mkv support
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Thanks for the comments! I just figured I'd chime in because I tried a Conan the Barbarian Trailer that was a 1080P MKV with AC3 audio.
Unfortunately, it didn't play smooth even with Diceplayer. Every 3 seconds, there was a little stutter. Which was disappointing, but understandable. I wonder if the Galaxy S2 can really play it better?
Otherwise, the E3D might get to that capability by a little overclocking and/or improved software in the future.
P0ll0L0c0 said:
Thanks for the comments! I just figured I'd chime in because I tried a Conan the Barbarian Trailer that was a 1080P MKV with AC3 audio.
Unfortunately, it didn't play smooth even with Diceplayer. Every 3 seconds, there was a little stutter. Which was disappointing, but understandable. I wonder if the Galaxy S2 can really play it better?
Otherwise, the E3D might get to that capability by a little overclocking and/or improved software in the future.
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update your diceplayer 1.4.2
Try QQ Player..
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QQ player doesn't play the file well at all - it appears not to use any hardware acceleration.
Unfortunately - the Diceplayer Trial Update (1.4.2) doesn't appear to improve things.
Someone who'd overclocked his E3D to 1.5ghz tested this file and STILL found it lagging on Diceplayer. Which is very disappointing. If anyone's curious, this is the sample I'm talking about:
http://www.movie-list.com/forum/showthread.php?t=27232
I was just hoping to get 1080P AC3 MKV playback.
I was just told on another thread that this 1080P file may not play well - only because of the speed of my card. This user claims that his phone with a class 10 microsdhc plays the Conan clip without lag. Apparently my phone (with the stock class 4) must not be able to create enough of a buffer to make up for the memory card's speed. I've got a class 10 memory card arriving tomorrow - and I'll report back then.
This is potentially great news.
I'm not sure if the new memory card played a role - but the latest version of Diceplayer 1.4.4 plays that 1080P MKV with AC3 audio with NO lag on the Evo 3D. I'm pretty happy right now. The only thing I'm hoping for in the future is that somehow we can play files over 4gb so we can actually take advantage of the 1080P capability of this phone.
I got the tablet today and assumed it would play mkv files like my epic touch but I see it does not. What is a good free encoder people are using and what are the best settings for decent video. I got this for the video so this is a bit disappointing. Are there any tablets that play mkv without encoding?
Hi,
I've just noticed something strange on my machine: When I watch HW accelerated 720p video the screen glitches every so often, maybe once or twice a minute. It doesn't happen on SW decoding. The glitches are , for example, part of the picture appearing corrupt or in the wrong place for a fraction of a second.
Does this suggest my Tegra is on the way out? I had a quick play of a game to see if it caused glitching but couldn't see anything. Are there any decent video stress test apps out there that could maybe reproduce this?
I hadn't actually noticed this before the new update, but I expect it is just coincidence.
Can you please post the video player you use and maybe some more infos about the video file you used?
The problem you described seems to be similar to what I experience while using Dice Player with mkv files that contain x264 video and ac3 sound. This happens with pretty much every tv series (all made with the standard release rules used for the illegal releases) I watch on my prime.
I get the same with Dice player. I will try others when I get a minute and see if it's the same. Never put two and two together because it happens when I'm not watching a video. But the last few times I noticed it happening it was after I had been playing a video and the player was still "live" in the back ground.
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I get this all the time when watching 720p / 1080p. Its only for a split second.
I was watching How I met your Mother which was 720p last night and a small square where a persons face was kind of corrupted for a second, then went back to normal.
Its also happened with 'A very Harold and Kumar Christmas' which is 1080p.
Both were Mkv files and I use a combination of MX player and BSplayer, because MX player sometimes doesnt play sound for some reason
Same problem here. I have come to the conclusion that the Prime is unable to play 720p or 1080p smoothly. Every single file on every player skips frames every 10 seconds or so when using HW decoding.
This tablet is useless.
I've been noticing the same thing, using the ad version of Dice Player. Most of the video I watch is 720p, h264 or x264.
But I have to disagree with Fizzerr -- I only noticed it after the .28 update. I'm fairly certain this wasn't a problem before -- I'm very picky about video quality -- so I don't believe this means the Prime's hardware is incapable of playing hi-def video smoothly.
I get intermittent frame and sound skips, very jarring. Happens in default player as well as Dice.
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Can you please post the video player you use and maybe some more infos about the video file you used?
The problem you described seems to be similar to what I experience while using Dice Player with mkv files that contain x264 video and ac3 sound. This happens with pretty much every tv series (all made with the standard release rules used for the illegal releases) I watch on my prime.
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Sorry - I meant to add the player info, but forgot.
I'm using 720p AC3 MKV container files.WEB DL essentially. The problem doesn't seem to happen on non 720p files.
I'm using Dice Player AD, BS Player lite amongst others. Essentially any that use HW acceleration seem to have the issue. I thought it was caused by a bump the machine received as I didn't ever notice this item the bump. Mind you, I did update to the latest firmware around the same time, so this could be the cause.
Essentially is looks like artifacts produced by a dodgy card, but if others are seeing it then there is maybe hope. Perhaps I'll try a non-AC3 720p vid.
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Same problem here. I have come to the conclusion that the Prime is unable to play 720p or 1080p smoothly. Every single file on every player skips frames every 10 seconds or so when using HW decoding.
This tablet is useless.
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My tablet played 720p fine until very recently (either a bump or the new firmware seems to have caused the issue). Hell, I even used the Prime to play SBS video into my Sony HMD and all was fine. I only get stuttering on 720p when I use software decoding.
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But I have to disagree with Fizzerr -- I only noticed it after the .28 update.
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In my case I can definitely say that this problem occurred from the very beginning with honeycomb.
I find it only mildly annoying because the happiness about a tablet playing high def videos smoothly (at least almost...) outweighs the glitches. It's THE main reason why i bought this thing.
At least now we know that we are not alone with our problem. Maybe Gary takes a look at this thread and puts the issue on his to-do list
I really want to think this is a firmware issue. I don't recall this happening until I upgraded to the .28 firmware. I also believe it happens at any time using any app (no restricted to just videos), only that it is easier to detect when video watching.
I see similar visual glitches sometimes when web browsing (stock browser) and sometimes see it on my calendar widget on the home screen. Once again, I don't recall having these issues until upgrading to .28 firmware.
The thing is, it is random and doesn't happen at the same spot when I watch again.
It looks like artifacting caused by a GPU that is too hot! Hope I'm wrong.... Or maybe right. Asus'll have to give me a new machine! :laugh:
I would like to weigh in on this
Oh, it's the .28 firmware alright, this coming from someone who has had the Prime since release date, on Honeycomb. Other than .15 which also gave me some video ****ery, all other firmware releases have been fine as far as video. I have been able to watch both 720 video and 1080 Blue Ray mkv files without a hitch, a glitch or a twitch. >28, which took close to 3 months to spit out is the absolute worst release yet, as they focused on a couple of issues, and screwed up a whole bunch of stuff in the process. ANR reduced greatly, WiFi is cranked to the max (so it works only SLIGHTLY sub-par, instead of hugely, but video? The worst. I went back to .21, added my custom build.prop (from Seanzscreams) SIO scheduler, and I am good for the moment. Can't WAIT to see how bad 28.5 or it's successor is. I swear, the longer they take to release, the worse they are, no ****.
In January-March we had FW being pushed every 7-15 days, like clockwork. Then they slowed to a snails pace, and the FW sucks. Lends credence to the theory that they took developers off the Prime, and put them either on Nexus 7 or other tablets such as the 300, and the "new" Infinity. Maybe we SHOULD all start screaming for "free upgrades to the Infinity again, LOL. Mark my words, I saw 32 gb Infinity for $499. If that's correct then the Prime is about to be pulled. I know exactly how they will do it. They will trickle out all the remaining (fixable to a degree) Primes, and keep saying "We arre NOT discontinuing the Prime" Then, when they have dumped the stock, they will say: "Well, we tried, but it just wasn't SELLING" so we HAD to stop production.
Do I sound a bit jaded, LOL? I see a bunch of posts from new forum members in this thread, and I wonder: How much crap are THEY willing to take. I have had more than my share from Asus.
In which case.... how the duck do I go back to the previous firmware?
Hello! I will be updating this thread on video playback capabilities of the Nexus 10, particularly on high-end resolution. The new software update is out and under testing at many sites, as well is it is shipping worldwide, so I'll try to share as many information about the multimedia capabilities of the Nexus 10 as possible, you can help out too. Discussion should cover
- full HD video playback performance, formats, framerates
- stock vs. 3rd party media player apps
- youtube and streaming at fullHD
- tweaks to optimize performance
Video performance test by italia0101
please visit his XDA thread for other excellent videos!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1994164
How to get DTS working with MX Player
Download this file and follow instructions here (thx olis4)
YouTube 2600k sample:
720p/1080p MKV samples:
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HI10P 720p sample file: http://hotfile.com/dl/148950242/e652ee9/
HI10P 1080p sample file: http://android.tnonline.net/Software/Video/Hi10P Software/hotd-op-1080p-hi10p.mkv
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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Yeah this kinda does worry me, as a big part of why i'm looking at this is to play movies while a travel, he does say its only with HD rips of blue rays, but would be nice to see if it does it with HD movies downloaded via the playstore etc.
might have to wait to see what happens when people get it in their hands.
Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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Of course there are some 2600k videos too to get the maximum out of the Nexus 10, mostly gaming. Anyone with hands on the device should check this out:
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well hopefully this isn't going to be a result of google having to beat the retina, if thats the case then i'd much more want a screen of the 1920x1080 res that is really good, and that the processor isn't running at 100% trying to run.
I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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I'll post some 2560x1440 (not upscaled) clips shortly for folks to check out their new toys, along with same clips in 1080p BD bitrates (35Mbps) for comparison testing.
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The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
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Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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He said he was downloading things in the back. I think a lot of devices lag when you're downloading things.
>The reviewer said he was trying it on ripped blue rays, does that mean it would be playing a video on 1920x1080 and stretching the image? standard blue ray def is 1920x1080 right?
Original BD is 1920x1080 with avg bitrates of 30-35Mbps. Rips can keep the 1080p res or be downscaled, but bitrates are inevitably lower (for smaller size) as they're intended to be downloaded.
Many devices now can handle 1080p of the "rip" (lowered bitrate) variety, but fewer can smoothly play "remuxed" (original BD bitrate) 1080p content. So to say that a device can playback 1080p is relatively meaningless unless the bitrate is specified. Anything from Youtube would not be a good test, since YT stuff are highly compressed (very low bitrate relative to resolution), and fidelity is substantially compromised.
My expectation is that N10 should handle "normal" 1080p rips (10Mbps), given it's the latest-gen SoC, and that video playback is a staple use. I'm more curious about performance with BD-bitrate content, and 1440p content, hence the pending clip uploads. Admittedly, these would be more for curiosity's sake than for practical use--there is no 1440p content, and BD ISOs won't fit through wifi pipes, HT40 or no.
Subscribing as videos are the #1 thing I use tablets for. There was one video posted in the general section last week that takes advantage of the N10's resolution. A quick browse back a few pages and you'll find it in one of the threads talking about the screen
Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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Playing back laggy HD video is a major concern. Not that I would watch movies on it myself but the last thing Google and Samsung needs is more ammo against them. This being the only somewhat major issue though, unlike the fake issues like no SD, plastic construction, and tablet specific apps(the ipad ones really are not that much better than the iphone ones, except games with HD in the title).
That said, my core 2 duo chugs during some streams so i am guessing if it chugs on the PC, Nexus 7, ipad 4, tf700, it will chug on the Nexus 10 and everything else that isn't an i7.
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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What kind of streams are you running against your C2D? I find it hard to believe it's choking on even 1080p 24+ bit-rate streams. Are you on some ancient video card that doesn't have acceleration, thereby forcing your CPU to brute-force the decode?
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My guess it has something to do with my home group connection or wifi connection in general. Playback through a USB drive or internal storage never chugs though. Although some files still have artifacting.
I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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Good lord. So do I.
BoneXDA said:
Still on pre-release, but AndroidCentral points out that background tasks and fullHD video cause some lags, killing those tasks makes it smooth. For me to be able to play properly coded videos water tight on a $500 device is essential, if it fails to do so I have little reason to prefer this over the Nexus7. We shall see results soon.
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There are many tweaks that can be used to slim down a loaded system, but regarding games & videos, I would set the heapsize to 512m, to start. The next place I would look is swappiness. Usually when running one big app and not task switching, you'd want to increase this so that other processes are cached to virtual memory, freeing ram for your main process. With 2gb ram, though, the opposite might be better, as some apps will periodically wake to check for email, news, chats, etc. In this case I think it would be better to keep those processes in ram so that they don't cause a hit to disk to wake from virtual memory.
In other words, I would definitely try tweaking swappiness, but I don't know which way would be better. I'm going to sub this thread; please post whatever results you experience.
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I would be interested in knowing if this can play 10bit MKV files.
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
Since this resolution is so high on this device, is the Nexus 10 the 1st. "ULTRA" high resolution mobile device/tablet? Doesn't ultra start around this resolution or so?
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I'd never heard of a 10bit MKV until you brought it up. So I downloaded a sample to see it.
For what it's worth, I just tried it on my Galaxy Note 2.
The gallery player didn't play it (audio only) but it worked OK with MX Player in software decoding mode.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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Bsplayer is slightly better. Mxplayer will lose audio. But it can get pretty bad even with my note 10.1. Audio n video gets way out of sync.
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I've not had any issues previously using MXplayer. However since this video was animated and in Japanese, it might have been completely out of sync, I have no idea