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It's really hard to decide for me, which tablet i'm going to buy. What are your opinions?
Well if you're using it primarily for web browsing then it's the Sony all the way for me, as the apple doesn't support flash. If that's not important to you, well the apple has more apps and the iOS is nice and easy to use.
Depends entirely on what you plan to do. Both are top notch tablets, both are great for media consumption. The biggest advantage for Ipad is obviously sheer volume of apps, the biggest S Tabl advantage is the remote control and Playstation ability. Biggest negative for Ipad is no ability to expand it, limited ports etc.
I, like most/all people in the S forum will say the Sony.
The design is just brilliant. I was amazed at the volume of films available in Video Unlimited. And for £399 its pretty darn cheap.
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If you own an android phone I would go for Sony.
I think it's also the design and the way you hold the tablet is just great.
They both have positive and negative points.
I only miss HDMI on this tablet. But streaming your media with DLNA works great and easy. It's awesome to really throw your video to your PC, PS3 even XBOX 360 and all other devices that work with it.
Currently Own:
IPad 2
Jetstream
HTC Flyer
Previously Owned:
Tablet S
I think that Sums it up ^^
The Ipad 2 is superior in almost every aspect. The only reason I could think of why u would grab the Tablet S over the Ipad 2 is if money is a concern or if you just plain hate Apple...
I believe that the Tablet S is an excellent tablet for those who have never owned a tablet.
Many of my friends who used it loved it (none of them have owned a tablet before).
However, when compared to the Jetstream it just lacks so much... The jetstream is smoother, faster, screen is nicer (imo). The Pen functionality is a huge bonus.
Compared to the Ipad2... Ipad2 has zero lag whereas the Tablet S has occasional lag, Tablet S has various other issues (read up on this forum) that the Ipad simply does not have. I have found absolutely nothing that the Tablet S does better then the Ipad2, whereas the Ipad2 does soooo many things better then the Tablet S.
Ofc... your in the Tablet S section so expect every1 to call me a troll, but this is my honest opinion; if you have used other tablets before, stay away from the Tablet S & go for the Ipad2.
TBH... I have currently ditched the Jetstream and the Ipad2 and instead use the Flyer simply because it is so portable!
Anyways GL with your purchase and I hope your happy with whatever you pick!
then tell them that I'm new and I had the iphone 2 with jailbrek and believe me you do not miss anything by that same flash that is not one.
the second is that if you stick a need to control it and believe me the jailbrek some applications can conger n the store besides Android also if you want free networks ipad 2 equal jailbrek need to part you can not do in the new that the only ipads vercion is, is the least 4.3.3 and can not lower the vercion I can not tell me that ode to the sony tablet but proven and if it was a good thing to stop me delivered on 15 November and believe me that what people say here is the same iPad tablet 2 and the sounds are not the iphone 2 has 512 of ram that is not nothing right and sony tablet has a gigue part has integrates a dual core but with nvidia ram it into pieces
I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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I believe the iPad has better apps, but the Sony tablet offers a better overall experience.
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Yes, I agree. Sony Tablet rear camera is 5MP with Exmor R, resolurion of screen is higher and better than ipad 2, it also offers more functions than any ipad out there.
Lets see
1. Ipad has more apps.
and thats all
Sony Tablet S
Better screen resolution .
DLNA. You can throw medi from your tablet directly to your laptop, desktop or any TV with dlna without cables.
Remote control for anything in your house.
Playstation games.
Way better design
Flash!!!!!
Ability to use a sd card, hell you can even use a usb flash disk.
I can go on but i think you got the idea.
Oh, one more thing... i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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i have yet to find an app on ipad that is not on android. at least for my use.
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Sky Go isn't on Android yet, although it is apparently coming "this winter".
The deciding factor for me though, as I said earlier, is the lack of Flash on the ipad. I think the ipad is briliiant, but I couldn't bring myself to spend £400 on something that won't give me the full internet, especially seeing as I use youtube and BBC F1 sites alot, which both need flash to work properly. So, Sony S for me!
Watch out for the fanboys. Do your homework and get what suits your needs. No tablet is the right fit for everyone. Don't believe for a moment that the iPad 2 its superior in every way to the tablet s. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. look at the tradeoffs and decide what features are more important to you and make your choice based on that.
Have both in the house and yeah the UI from the iPad is nicer but for allround possibilities the tablet s is much better.Have both sitting on the table side by side every morning but I always pick up the Sony first to do my internet stuff cause the ipad is just so weak in that area.Like it's been stated here they both have their advantages and weaknesses but I still prefer the Tablet S,but that's only my opinion.
BTW I got the ipad as a present cause there was no way I was going to buy one
You really need to decide for your self. Most of the popular iPad apps are available on Android too. I haven't had too much problem in that area.
Android tablets are still young and have fairly small market share. You need to consider if you want to be an early adopter and go throughs some of the growing pains. Many of the people here are developers and want to support the platform and help increase marketshare, so yeah, we want you to buy an android tablet. Sony is my current recommendation.
While Android tablet *can* offer a better browsing experience, it can also hinder it. Many sites see 'android' and assume you are on a phone and send you to a mobile site without asking or giving you the option for desktop. Switching browsers can fix this and more sites are checking for android tablets, but its still a bit of a nuisance for now.
I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
Possibility of connect a Keyboard Dock.
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
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I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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I wouldn't ever trade my prime for a n7 I guess I prefer the larger screen. Just install jb and it run pretty damn nice. Of course it imho
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Really? even the know I/O issues are fixed with the JB preview builds?
I have both. which both of them working great also. when I'm using the nexus 7 I don't miss those things you mentioned. but I would never ever ever sell my prime just to buy a nexus 7. mines perform too well for that. nexus 7 is a great experience out the box. but my nexus 7 doesn't have the power like my prime has with its custom rom & kernel. prime is too versatile with the keyboard dock and everything else.
they compliment each other very well. I plan on keeping both. prime stays indoors. nexus 7 used indoors or outdoors. I would recommend getting a Nexus 7 asap as its an amazing 7in. tablet. I'm sticking with both of them.
they really can't even be compared to each other. compare it to other 7in. or 7.7in. on the market. then you will see the nexus 7 is hands down the best out there. Quite a few major tech sites are toting the nexus 7 as the best Android tablet released so far, period.
I have both too, and they are different , with different use cases. The n7 is far more portable but way less versatile. I was planning on choosing between them, but will probably keep both.
Thanks for your answers guys, unfortunately I don´t have the possibilities of having both, at least not now, maybe I will have to wait a little bit more.
Anyway I'm happy with my prime but the Nexus experience that I have with my Gnex is what makes me want to test the N7.
Best Regards.
I have both and I haven't used my prime since Wednesday when I received my n7. Haptic feedback is pointless. Never took a picture with my prime. My prime is unlocked and rooted with every tweak and mod out there and it doesn't perform anywhere near ad well as the n7. The only thing better about the prime is the screen it only for the purpose of Netflix.
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I had both the prime and the n7 both are great devices but due to the size difference you can't really compare the two. I sold the nexus today as I prefer my galaxy tab 7.7 the Samsung has a better screen and even though they are close in size the 7.7 seems quite a but bigger and did I mention it has a much better screen !
I wouldn't be able to live with a N7. It's a cool piece of hardware, and a great deal, but it's basically a toy. The prime doesn't really compare to most tablets because it's still the only tablet on the market that can replace a laptop, so it appeals to a different group of people (me included) then other tablets do. It's got a big screen, expandable storage in both the tablet and the dock, best battery life for any tablet, and the keyboard is great for school work. So no, as cool as a nexus 7 is, I don't want to spend 250$ on something that is only good for watching 16GB worth of movies or casual gaming.
I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
I have both and they are different use cases. The Nexus 7 is pointing out how clunky some of the software issues I am having with the Prime are though. The Nexus works how I would like my Prime to (no crashes of Google apps like Gmail, no force closes, being able to charge it past 62% etc.). Because of the glitches with the Prime software implementation I am finding myself using the Nexus 7 a lot more but if they could be resolved the Prime would be my go to productivity tablet.
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I'm seriously thinking in selling my prime to get a Nexus 7. So far I know that for 250 bucks you get:
No rear camera
No Hepatic feedback
No Micro SD Card Slot
A smaller device
I think I would be totally ok with that except maybe for the rear camera (I think that its more useful in a 7 inch device than in a 10')
So now my question for everyone who switched from the Prime to N7 is, are you missing something from the prime? something from the above list maybe?
Regards
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I think you left out one thing you give up with the N7 - and it's a big one, at least for me. That is the keyboard dock. If you don't have and/or don't want the dock then it won't matter to you. But for me, the dock is one of the main reasons for selecting the Prime in the first place. I absolutely cannot do any decent typing on any on-screen keyboard no matter how good it is. They just don't work for me personally. Add to that the ability to connect USB devices; I use memory sticks, an external track ball and a usb wired ethernet adapter - sometimes all at the same time connected through a usb 2.0 hub. In addition to the 32 GB micro-sd card in the prime itself, I have an additional 64 GB SDXC card in the dock - so it has as much storage as my laptop's SSD (though in three different places and the 64 GB only when in the dock).
For remote administration tasks, I've got VPN and a remote desktop client. That allows me to remote into Windows servers and have the keyboard and mouse that make all the difference when using it that way.
As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have. I have also never really used the built in browser - which seems to be the source of a lot of the complaints. I went directly to Chrome and keep Dolphin around for times when the need for Flash arises.
I also don't quite understand all the people who seem to be constantly switching devices. To paraphrase "..I had a prime, then an N7 and now I'm going with a Samsung...". Constantly buying and selling devices has got to be an incredibly expensive proposition with a significant loss of $$ ever time you sell.
Based on all of the above, here is my recommendation - given that the guts of the two are basically the same and the Prime will soon be updated to 4.1 - making the software much the same too: If you prefer a 7 " screen over 10.1 and don't need or want the dock, go with the N7. If you prefer the 10.1 inch screen and want the dock and already have a prime - then keep it. If you want a 10.1 inch screen and don't currently have anything, wait for the TF700.
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I had both. I just returned the nexus 7 as it was too small and too fat. I love how slim the prime is but jelly bean was awesome (although the phablet mode wasn't).
So the answer for me was the prime but I knew I wanted jb so I finally unlocked and installed team eos JB rom and I couldn't be happier. Lag is gone, and the device is just awesome again. Go prime.
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I am glad to hear that because I have both also and N7 make the prime feel like a laggy piece of crap.
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As far as all the issues people are reporting - I just have not seen them. Perhaps it's because I have a later production unit (C3 serial number)? Or perhaps because I got mine just as the .28 update came out and did a complete wipe and clean install of .28 - without ever having used whatever version was already on there from the factory (I didn't even look). So mine has not been though the multiple update on top of update process like the older ones have.
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That's my case, too - I got my C3-serial Prime shortly after .28 came out, so I upgraded first thing, before installing anything. I, too, have not had major systemic problems. I get some ANRs in the stock browser, but I generally know which websites cause that and avoid them. And like you, the dock is a major factor about the Prime; frankly, I cannot recall the last time I took it out of the dock, except to show people that it can be done.
So I guess I can afford to be patient and wait for Jellybean...
Thank you all for the answers, that really help.
I think I will keep the Prime for while, unless I can get a good deal selling it which I don't think will happen. I'm starting to see a subset of problems that have been reported for prime now in the N7 forum, Problems such as poor WiFi, ANR's, random reboots, etc, Except for some ANR's in the prime never had other issue and my unit is one of the first, so I think i was a lucky one without problems and take risk with an ASUS device again.. not sure I want to be there.
I don't have the dock, not really something that I think I need you, but is a good point, in fact I will edit the OP.
and for unlocking the Prime, the only reason why I have not do that yet is because is an irreversible process and I though that if for some reason I have to sell the prime that could be a decisions factor for a potential customer, but know I think will just do it and test the JB builds.
I use the rear camera way more than I expected to. And both the uSD and dock are must haves, so the N7 doesn't have much draw for me. My prime is unlocked and running a custom rom so it is fast and stable to boot. JB will just make it even better I'm sure but honestly I could wait quite a while for JB since I'm pretty satisfied.
I also got both, and there is no comparing them really. An analogous OP would be something like:
"For those that already switched to the Toyota Prius from the Toyota Sequoia, do you miss something?"
Since everyone has different use scenarios, I suppose this totally hinges on what you did with your prime. Personally, I have a hard time with the no hdmi/mhl thing. I really like to be able to hook up whatever tablet I have for some quick computing on a larger screen or just for a quick movie. A close second in features that I miss when I only have the nexus is the rear cam... never realized how nice the cam on the back of the prime was.
I have both, and I agree that the dock is a huge plus both in battery life and use. However the software is "snappy" on the N7 so I am looking forward to JB on the prime. I really do not think I could pick one, but if I had to for someone else I would say it depends on what you use it for.
Will also go for both. Hopefully my N7 will arrive this week. In my opinion 10inch are more for the table while 7 is more comfortable for relaxing, games and outside usage.
I own both the Nexus 7 and the TFP. To be honest, I use the Nexus 7 more; the 7" format does a better job of serving my particular use case -- reading long-form text, versus content generation or extensive multimedia (movies). From my thoughts on another thread:
So basically I think it comes down more to the form factor (7" device) than the device itself. I think a 7" device is best for reading books, saved websites (ReadItLater/Pocket, Instapaper), and content aggregators (Currents, Flipboard) -- basically text. It's small, super light, and convenient to throw in my bag, whereas I think twice before bringing my 10" Transformer Prime around. The 10" screen is best for actual website surfing, movies, photos, and content generation (drawing, word processing, etc.).
That said, the Nexus 7 is the best 7" device you can get today. It's very light and easy to hold one-handed, and though it's not razor thin, it's a competent thickness. The build quality is very good -- feels solid and the material on the back feels very high quality (fake leather ish). The screen is nice and sharp (especially from 2' feet away, normal reading distance) with good off-angle viewing, though I wish the maximum brightness was higher. Finally, the Jelly Bean version of Android OS is quite competent -- movement, swipes and touch responses are fast and responsive (though unoptimized apps may still stutter, but that's not Google's problem). In fact, the Nexus 7 is much faster and smoother (and less glitchy) than my ASUS Transformer Prime. It's a nice device.
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Hey guys,
I currently have a nexus 7. I bought it on Tuesday, and I'm loving it so far.
I also pre-ordered one through Google Play the day after I/O and just received that one yesterday.
My question is, should I return them both and just get the TF700T instead? Has anyone had any experience in either devices? I love the little form factor of the Nexus, but seeing as I am in college, the TF700T + dock would seem to make more sense. Does the 10.1" form factor really make that big of a difference on portability? What about weight?
I own an old HP touchpad, but it has a cracked screen + needs to be restored to factory defaults (issues with that, SD mount problems after updating CM9) and I'll probably sell the thing.
What do you guys reccomend? I use my tablet for web browsing, gaming, catching up on tech news and an occasional youtube video/netflix movie. In college I could use it instead of my laptop for most work that doesn't involve programming or running any cisco software (unless I use remote desktop or something)
I also use a Galaxy Nexus for a still pretty large mobile web experience, should I get the TF700T? Also, I couldn't find it anywhere else but tigerdirect or amazon with a markup.
ANY tips would be greatly appreciated! Thanks!
That's hard to answer really. In my opinion, there's a huge difference between the 7 inch and 10 inch tablets. The 10 inch is about twice the size of your nexus 7. Yes, it weighs more too. I use my prime as my primary device, but I don't do any programming. You have to really think about what you're going to use it for. The 7 is perfect for reading and web browsing (most sights), but the 10 is more like a small laptop.
I would not trade my prime for a nexus 7, but the smaller screen doesn't fit what I want. I think a 10 inch device can be your primary, but I don't think the 7 could.
i would take the tf700t over the nexus 7 and it will be updated to jelly bean soon.
My consideration is you need 2 hands to operate nexus 7 anyway, so why don't use a bigger screen instead ... so i'm sticking with my prime.
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Best solution, since you have 2 nexus 7. Return 1. Have a 700 & nexus 7. I have prime+dock & nexus 7. they compliment each other well.
They really can't be compared. 700 more powerful & has bigger high quality screen. but nexus 7 is a powerful little device also. Its no slouch. 7in. Form factor is far more portable.
How exactly does this post belong in this section of the forum? As you might see I am not a heavy poster but I follow the forum very closely. Can you please post on the correct device post, instead of just choosing the most popular in the hope to get more replies.
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How exactly does this post belong in this section of the forum? As you might see I am not a heavy poster but I follow the forum very closely. Can you please post on the correct device post, instead of just choosing the most popular in the hope to get more replies.
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I'm sorry but I did not see a dedicated forum for the TF700T. So where was I supposed to put it, the Nexus 7 forums? Almost everyone there would have said to get the Nexus 7 based on price alone. I feel like the owners of the TF700T would have a better judgement on the subject, having spent a good amount of cash on their tablet.
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Best solution, since you have 2 nexus 7. Return 1. Have a 700 & nexus 7. I have prime+dock & nexus 7. they compliment each other well.
They really can't be compared. 700 more powerful & has bigger high quality screen. but nexus 7 is a powerful little device also. Its no slouch. 7in. Form factor is far more portable.
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technically I have 3 N7's. I have the 2 I have for myself, and I told my mom to get one. So I could use hers when she's not using it if I want to be able to have a 7 inch tablet. But there's no way I am going to keep 2 N7's and a TF700T in my house, kind of a waste of money for someone like me (part time retail salesman and full time college kid).
I think I might just return the N7's and get the TF700T. Where should I order it from?
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technically I have 3 N7's. I have the 2 I have for myself, and I told my mom to get one. So I could use hers when she's not using it if I want to be able to have a 7 inch tablet. But there's no way I am going to keep 2 N7's and a TF700T in my house, kind of a waste of money for someone like me (part time retail salesman and full time college kid).
I think I might just return the N7's and get the TF700T. Where should I order it from?
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Well it's been a very long time (30 years) since I was a "college kid", but I would have thought that the TF700 with the keyboard dock would be a lot more versatile than the N7. And, though the N7 is more portable - carrying around a TF700 + dock won't be difficult. I currently carry around my TF201 and dock in a case and it's still roughly only 3 pounds.
I'd get rid of N7 and take TF700. Actually I bought TF700 already 7 inches and lack of microSD is a deal killer.
You can order TF700 from Amazon or bhphotovideo.com
I'd take one TF700 over two N7's any day.
N7 is just a downsized version of the 300 sans mem expansion whereas the 700 is a step above it. No comparison there.
How is this thread allowed here? Just the other day an N7 thread discussing all of the defects and problems w/ the N7 was removed since it wasn't related to the Prime, but this one is okay? If anything, at least yesterday's thread compared the N7's defects w/ the Prime's defects. This thread literally has nothing to do with the Prime.
Anyway, to answer your question, I'd have to say neither, unless you feel like dealing with a company that practices poor design and has zero quality control:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1781237
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1770919
However, if you insist on one of these two devices, I'd go with the N7. The hardware may be falling apart (i.e., read about the display defects in the threads above), but at least the software is rock solid since it's done by Google and not Asus.
does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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no. on rl sqlite benchmark I scored 33 secs. overall on I/O performance(I posted the screenshot in another thread). that put my nexus 7 at the top of the list. other nexus 7 owners have scored similar also. prime issue is likely software/driver wise still.
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does the Nexus 7 suffer from the poor I/O performance that the Prime does?
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I own the Transformer Prime, and just purchased a Nexus 7 for my daughter (11 years old)
If I/O performance refers to how long it takes to transfer data between my PC and the tablet, I'd say they both perform pretty much the same.
I've copied movies to both devices, and it does take a few minutes. However, they're between 700MB and 1.2GB in size, so I'm not that surprised or bothered about the slow transfer.
Haven't done any scientific tests, but based on general use, I don't find transferring data/files to the Nexus7 noticeably faster then when I transfer to my Transformer Prime (and I usually use AirDroid, so I transfer wirelessly, which I'm sure is slower then via cable)
Nexus7 is a fantastic device, and my daughter loves it! I wasn't willing to spend $500 for her, and I also felt the smaller size was a better fit.
She does lose a front camera, and microSD slot. She still has a camera for Skype, which she uses a lot, and the tablet has a beautiful display, and is buttery smooth!
It's an amazing device for the price! (not letting my Prime go, however)
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I own the Transformer Prime, and just purchased a Nexus 7 for my daughter (11 years old)
If I/O performance refers to how long it takes to transfer data between my PC and the tablet, I'd say they both perform pretty much the same.
I've copied movies to both devices, and it does take a few minutes. However, they're between 700MB and 1.2GB in size, so I'm not that surprised or bothered about the slow transfer.
Haven't done any scientific tests, but based on general use, I don't find transferring data/files to the Nexus7 noticeably faster then when I transfer to my Transformer Prime (and I usually use AirDroid, so I transfer wirelessly, which I'm sure is slower then via cable)
Nexus7 is a fantastic device, and my daughter loves it! I wasn't willing to spend $500 for her, and I also felt the smaller size was a better fit.
She does lose a front camera, and microSD slot. She still has a camera for Skype, which she uses a lot, and the tablet has a beautiful display, and is buttery smooth!
It's an amazing device for the price! (not letting my Prime go, however)
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I based what I said off of benchmark scoring(from me n others in nexus 7 forum) and playstore downloads and installs. The apps download & install on nexus 7 alot faster than on prime. Plus the lag is nowhere to be seen on nexus 7 during the download/install of apps/games, unlike the prime. I can have all that going on in background of nexus 7 while doing other things and nothing will freeze up or lag.
Speed transfer from prime or nexus to a pc will be nerfed from it using MTP mode. If mounted as a USB mass storage device, like how it was on older android builds, those transfer speeds would be alot faster.(from what I've heard and read up here in xda)
I cant let my prime go either. But MY nexus 7 has definitely been stealing attention away from my prime. I used my prime earlier but had to put it up and take my nexus 7 off the charger. I'm really liking this 7in. Form factor. Far more portable and easier/lighter to hold. Not too small either(Im 6'5 with big hands so typing on Nexus 7 with thumb keyboard is seamless).
Ditch em now and get one again later
If either are a 16 GB Nexus 7, sell them on eBay and get more than retail for them (or at least equal to retail, assuming they are in pristine condition).
Take money and buy TF700 with dock.
When fervor for Nexus 7 comes down, go buy another one to fill your 7" tablet needs. You may or may not want to get one after you have a TF700. I have the TF201 and I'm trying to tell myself why I don't need a 7" tablet. I think I just want to **** with Jelly Bean. Hell I still might just up and buy an 8 GB just for the hell of it and gift it to my dad when the newness wears off.
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If either are a 16 GB Nexus 7, sell them on eBay and get more than retail for them (or at least equal to retail, assuming they are in pristine condition).
Take money and buy TF700 with dock.
When fervor for Nexus 7 comes down, go buy another one to fill your 7" tablet needs. You may or may not want to get one after you have a TF700. I have the TF201 and I'm trying to tell myself why I don't need a 7" tablet. I think I just want to **** with Jelly Bean. Hell I still might just up and buy an 8 GB just for the hell of it and gift it to my dad when the newness wears off.
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this. I already decided I'm going to get the TF700T. And I've put them on both Ebay and craigslist, no bites so far but hopefully someone buys them. If not I'll just return them within my 2 week time frame.
I'm going to try the TF700T. I read ALL about Asus's quality control issues, and if I can deal with the I/O issues, I'll keep the TF700T. if not, I'll return it and get a galaxy note 10.1 when they come out
Anyone else keeping tabs on the Nexus 7 forums? Asus' crappy quality control is killing many of their users too. There are multiple people who have done multiple exchanges and keep getting units with separated glass (the primary issue), lines of dead pixels, unresponsive touch screens, and blown speakers. I predict this is the last Nexus device we'll see made by Asus. Persistent perfection! Ha.
Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
Wait a second, so you prefer the build and materials over smoothness and performance? What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
The browser is replaceable and flash is easily implemented so the only thing that you mention is feel and build. Maybe flesh out a little better of why you prefer the infinity or you will end up looking like that pierrekid moron.
You can solve your 2 main issues pretty easily actually :
Buttons: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2010280
Browser: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2006215
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...What kind of cracked out world are we living in?
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The same world where somebody could mistake a Nexus 7 as an iPad Mini, before the iPad Mini was even released
The N10 is not using Tablet UI which explains why the navigation buttons are in the bottom-center. Tablet UI since 4.2 is deprecated in Google's eyes.
The N10 is also the "Google" experience, which is why Chrome is included by default. Flash player on Jellybean is not supported, and there's nothing you nor anyone else can do to warrant any kind of support from Google or Adobe regarding such matters. With this said though, there are various methods for getting Flash Player working on Jellybean. On devices that use an older OS (ICS for example), I guess Flash Player works just fine. Also... I run into very few sites that "require" flash player.
And... since this is a Nexus device, you can easily tailor the device to your needs. Your not forced with a lockdown bootloader, unlocking the bootloader doesn't void warranty, and the Nexus 10 is the best device supported on AOSP currently, which means customizing the Android experience should be... relatively easy for anyone (with experience). That button-location thing I mentioned, can be fixed with some modifications.
I haven't owned a Infinity, so I don't know for sure, but I'm pretty sure the Nexus 10 is more "open".
I would take chrome over transformers laggy browsers. They have terrible stock browsers. (Yes, download another one.) Tf201 was a TERRIBLE tablet! Battery was good but gps didnt work, bluetooth and wifi couldnt be used at the same time, wifi had terrible signal. Looked nice but that's about it. Nexus wins this.
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Nothing mentioned in the OP should be an issue for anyone who has owned a Nexus device or has minimal knowledge on how to root and use custom roms/kernels.
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Just got mine, but initial impressions aren't all that positive. The N10 is my 6/7?th tablet, so I think I have some reasonable comparisons (original iPad, Xoom, Acer, Asus TF101,102, Prime, Infinity).
I really dislike the layout of the N10 Android home/back buttons. I use my tablets almost exclusively in landscape mode, so having to reach to to middle of the screen to find home or back buttons BLOWS. I have large hands but I hate having to move my hand rather than reaching with my thumbs - seems so unnecessary. I also dislike Chrome as the defacto browser because it doesn't have Flash and the usual Android stock browser (which is very good overall) isn't loaded - so forced to use other browsers (with their own quirks) that do support Flash. Frankly, until every site on the net is available in HTML5, every device needs Flash support.
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bee answered your question. It's a very easy thing to accomplish. You can achieve your desired preference in future ROMs and in present ROMs available for the N10.
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While the screen is nice, it's not something I noticed was mind blowingingly better than than the Asus Infinity (nor the Prime for that matter). I use my tablet all day long for reading and I don't find the resolution improvement offers much improvement.
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Are you being serious? If there's anything to gripe about it's the apps that have not been updated to provide the optimal performance for the N10, you'll have to be patient for the community to catch up to the specifications of the N10. They're beyond amazing when they have proper support compared to older tablets. The image quality is definitely noticeable in this case.
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The really nice thing about the N10 is the speaker locations. Makes a meaningful improvement over rear facing speakers on the Prime/Infinity. That said, volume is still too low - have to get an aftermarket app (like SpeakerBoost) to get volume up to decent levels for noisy environments.
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Yes the speaker locations are paramount. They should have always been the standard - which they will be now.
When playing movies using MX Player or playing music through Google Music, I have to turn the volume down as it gets too loud so I disagree with the volume being too low.
You honestly have to have hard of hearing to believe that. Why would anyone in a noisy enviroment not use headphones? The device comes with a headphone jack which would make sense to utilize in such enviroments.
For example:
Listening to music on a portable device such as the N10 when you're in a room with other people playing games (causing lots of noise) and then complaining about the volume being too low is being ignorant. Use your headphones.
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Battery life seems good - better than the Asus Infinity/Prime, but obviously no dock to goose battery life a lot more. USB charger is slow on the N10. Asus wins that contest hands down.
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You're comparing something to nothing. The pogo charger/dock hasn't been released for the N10 yet so resorting to comparing it to the stock charger, which only takes 5½ hours for me to charge from 0% is excellent for a 9000mah battery, is moot and completely nullifies your comparison. You should wait until Samsung/Google releases the pogo charger and/or keyboard dock.
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Build quality seems good, but Asus Infinity is so much nicer (and thinner and lighter).
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Build quality is superb for the Nexus 10. It really doesn't matter as it's all subjective and differs from individual to individual.
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N10 offers smooth scrolling so the processor works nicely. Chrome works buttery smooth, but alas, lack of Flash is ridiculous as so many sites I visit still use Flash.
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There are alternatives to achieve the desired results.
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I'll keep for a few more days to see if it grows on me, but I think it's going back for a refund...
That said, if the N10 is your first high end tablet, you'll like it...
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The only thing that the Infinity would have over the N10 is the microSD expansion slot and maybe the camera, but who takes photos with tablets for art? Congrats.
Screen and screen resolution is inferior
Only has 1GB of ram
An abysmal 224ppi - tablets for that cost should have better ppi for a better picture quality.
Only supports MP3
so on so forth.
Someone who doesn't appreciate the price per power ratio of the N10 doesn't deserve to own one.
Return it and be gone.
Im sorry but you must be high or something. I came from the A500, GTab 10.1, Prime, Infinity then Note 10.1. The only tablet that I would consider going back to which I dont because the N10 is a beast, is the Note 10.1.
The Infinity has lots of problems and we all know what they are. I gladly sacrificed the keyboard dock for the N10 which wil be on craigslist shortly.
If you dont realize what you got there then its best that you do return your N10 and head back to the Infinity/Prime forum.
Oh and the screen... its definitely better then the Infinity in everyway.
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The Infinity is 0.5mm thinner and 5g lighter. I can't imagine how a human would actually notice that difference.
Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
I just have one question:
You said USB charging on the Infinity was better. I had the Infinity for a while before I got my N10, and I could never actually get it to charge via USB. I'm still curious as how to actually get it to work.
I am wondering how you can even compare things that are clearly OS version and app dependent ??
Flash / Browser , yada yada yada ...
4.2 does not support flash end of story, you have to sideload or use something non-stock, it if you want flash to work.
So when you get 4.2.1 STOCK AOSP on the Infinity then you could actually make a fair comparison.
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Folks,
give the OP some slack here. I can see how someone coming from TF700 would not see the N10 as a quantum leap.
Let me tell you a little secret ... I ordered the N10 about an hr after it went up for sale ... cancelled the order 20 mins later ... just could not think of why it would be so much better compared to the ... drum roll ... the TF101 I have ( I have 2 in the household ).
I am still hoping and praying that Sammy will release what was known as P10 , after the contractually obligated "do not compete" clause expires.
Dock, stylus, expansion slots ... CES may be ? Something that is free of Google's idiotic restrictions ...
Good luck waiting for dock and/or charger for N10
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It makes sense to compare a tablet you own to the N10, but to go as far as saying there's another tablet that's factually better than the Nexus 10 with the points the OP claimed are anything but him having buyers remorse and trolling.
The reason I'm not going from the Galaxy Nexus to the Nexus 4 is because it's not a large enough gap in technology to warrant buying a new phone. The OP bought the N10 expecting it to project holograms and provide time travel and was disappointed it didn't so says that an inferior device is better than said device. It makes no sense. If it's not the upgrade you expected, don't blast the device. It's better than any of the tablets he mentioned albeit not a substantial upgrade.
I'm not going around the Nexus 4 forums saying the Galaxy Nexus is better because the upgrades are minimal compared to what I already own.
It's just irrelevant and ignorant to say such things with little to no context other than self-absorbed remorse.
This thread should be closed. It's pointless and disappointing.
I still can't figure it out. Unless build materials and weight is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than performance and battery life, which he admitted was superior on the Nexus 10, it doesn't make any sense.
His other issues are easily fixed through the play store or side load.
I wish the OP and and pierrekid would just cut out the BS politics and just come out and say I love Asus or I hate Google/Samsung build materials. Honesty is something that is sorely missing in today's society. Can't say I blame them though, sometimes you have to flat out lie to get ahead.
I myself have owned both a prime and an infinity, and back when I owned them, prayed daily that Google would release a 10inch tablet to the market. When they announced it, I knew I would give away my ASUS counterparts in a heartbeat no matter what. The prime/infinity had such lagginess, even with custom roms, you could tell the I/O suffered immensely
I couldn't be happier with my N10. It's a f*ck*in monster, and the screen res blows away the infinity. Put em up side by side...you can tell a difference.
I would never go back to ASUS again. I can't even believe this is a discussion. There were so many unhappy asus owners, and hell...there still are this very day!
God bless Google and doing the Nexus 4, 7 and 10. They are an ARMY!
Buttons that are centered, can easily be solved in the near future with a custom rom. Not to mention anything else you have as a pet peeve
How would anyone prefer the Asus tablet when it is confirmed it has a poor hardware memory which causes slowdowns and freezes?
Maybe you haven't heard about the I/O problems with Asus tablets...
No way a tablet with memory hardware problems is better than the nexus 10.
Agreed
Had 2 Asus Tf700 and I return both them back..
Too much problem
1-Bluetooth lag
2-It couldn't handle a lot media files
3-Dead trigger was crashing on my device all the time,called Madfinger and they know what to the me.
4-Stupid Asus want to follow Apple footsteps, only one speaker....
Etc.....
The only good thing about the TF700 is the aluminum body.
Glad Google come out with this device..
PS:And don't have to wait for an update when it is released...
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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I agree with the OP, the nexus 10 is my 3rd tablet(the other 2 are the trasformer tf300 and the Infinity). Both tf300 and the Infinity play somewhat fine with Blu ray movies in MKV format. Hoping for better smoothness and performance in videos with the Nexus 10, i was disappointing to find out the Infinity did better than the Nexus 10 in video playback(using mxplayer pro)
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Media playback will improve once media players are updated to support the N10's GPU. I've had to use software rending 5 out of 10 times with the videos I've watched.
The idea of this thread is ridiculous to me. This tablet has been exactly what I hoped it to be. I can actually still use my tablet while updating apps. I can open more than one webpage without immense stuttering (even complex ones), and I can switch between them without waiting an unbearably long time (thank you, 2GB of ram). I can switch between apps with very minimal delay (that is nicely covered up by a system animation). In short - I can use my tablet without it getting in the way.
I guess I can add to that the fact that the build quality on mine seems stellar, and light bleed is virtually non-existent. I love the material on the back. And I haven't had any issues with resets.
This is the tablet that I can just use without getting frustrated. I may eventually want to install a custom rom and theme it (something I have done to every device I have owned in the last 6 years). Heck, this seems like a perfect candidate for one of the "prettier" themes. But right now, I'm just enjoying using it.
Most things you mentioned can be fixed. Use boat browser and install flash on it manually, its really fast and flash works with no problems.
I don't like the stock Nav bar too and use Lmt instead, gives me the full 10 inch real estate and is convenient to use.
This tablet is awesome and I have used tons of tablet in the past, Plus its a nexus device and there is already tons of development in the forums in addition to the up to date android os
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Hey I was just wondering what everyone's opinions were on the Nexus 9. I need a tablet to use just for watching Youtube, browsing the web, reading in bed and streaming to my Chromecast often. I've heard quite a few complaints about the device and it's definitely not cheap so just wondering what people think of it? I'm also wondering if there's any other tablets around the corner I should wait for instead? Thanks!
That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this, even about the Nvidia Shield part. I've lost track of when the 2015 Shield is coming out, but that will be a good buy. Even my 2013 Wifi Nexus 7 performs better than the N9
I say yes
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That's a no from me. Despite my gut feel that the tablet has the potential to be the champ, it is virtually unusable for me without suffering considerable frustration. I also think it has been a flop sales wise and that this is one google regrets. Of all my nexus devices, this is the one which needed 5.1 the most and will be the last, by a fair margin, to get it. And who knows when that will be?
I've heard great things about the shield, that's where I would be looking.
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Agree with this 100%.
Wait until 5.1 drops for the N9 before making a decision. It will either make it the great tablet it has the potential to be, or confirm it as the lemon that it is now.
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It's hard to say, folks' experiences seem to vary so widely.
I've had mine since slightly after launch. I use it for remoting in to my work network, listening/playing music, browsing forums, web browsing, and light gaming. I don't experience the problems that some report here -- except, if I have multiple chrome tabs open or switch away from chrome and then go back, I do experience excessive web page reloading/refreshing. But no overheating, no lag, etc. Not sure if it is luck of draw in terms of hardware, app selection, or what.
I get about 7-8 hours battery life with mixed use. I am bone stock in terms of rom, kernel, etc. I haven't even rooted it.
I would say read through the "post here if you love your nexus 9" and "5.1 rolling out now?" threads in the N9 General subforum. You will get a good sense of the positive and negative viewpoints.
Bottom line for me is that I would buy it again if I had the choice to make again.
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I have already rooted my Nexus 9, but when it was on stock I didn't have any performance issues like with other people. It was very fast, faster than any Android device I've used up to now. After rooting I lowered the speed to 1.3GHz & it still flies in the games I use.
The 9 is much better for reading than my Kindle Fire thanks to the high resolution, which makes reading less of a chore. Also android now has PowerPoint & Word, making my N9 even more usable as a replacement for my ultrabook.
Overall, my only regret is choosing the 16GB over the 32GB because it only has 11GB free.
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My problem with the Shield tablet and why I was looking at the Nexus 9 was the size. To me the size of the N9 is big enough that it fills a void that my phone can't. The Shield seems awesome and I'd get it hands-down but it's screen size is small enough that it's not really a tablet in my eyes..it's like a huge phone if that makes sense?
There's not a major size difference. I have seen the HP Stream 8 in person & found that it's usable as a Windows device.
9 - 9 x 6.05 x .31
Shield - 8.8 x 5 x .36
Also the shield has some advantages like OpenGL 4.x, direct stylus, GRID, and no DCO issues.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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There is such an enormous gulf between those with good and bad experiences. When people tell me they love their nexus 9 I am left scratching my head. The thing is a dud for me, certainly I get better performance from my nexus 7s (2012 + 2013). I feel had that I paid so much for a device which seems solid when you pick it up but is a disaster when you use it. Whether you're in one camp or another, Google had paid it almost no attention in five months, that's ominous in my books. Buyer beware.
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Ya I definitely will heed your advice. I feel like it was almost a testbench on how a 64bit architecture would work with Android.. I just don't even understand how it can be so expensive for the experience the vast majority of people are having. To me a tablet of that price should just work and be an excellent experience.
Its not perfect
Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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Its not perfect but still new, Still has some bugs. I came from an Aus Transformer infinity t700,
nice screen, but with only 1 gig of ram, and slow tegra3. it was much larger than my nexus 9.
to me the nexus 9 is the best tablet I had in a really long time, it does have its issues, but hopefully they will be fixed soon with software updates.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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My problem with this is a $530 32GB tablet shouldn't need a software update or have "some issues." My family has iPads and I used to have one years ago and have never seen a single issue with any of them.
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iOS is better with memory management, is minimalistic, and is meant for a very strict set of specs. All of them use some form of the Legendary Power VR SGX with 1-3 CPU cores max. They have likely optimized the heck out of their devices compared to Android manufacturers.
You could put 8 cores in an android device @10Ghz & watch it barely scrape past Apple's latest offering(s). I don't care for Apple, but it's hard to ignore how well made OSX & iOS are.
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The Nexus 9 has been disappointing... It doesn't have a lot of features I'd ideally like to have: microSD, MHL/HDMI, and Miracast being the main examples. And battery life isn't great. I'd forgive those if it was really fast/responsive, and if we stayed on the bleeding-edge with Android updates. Neither of those is true. Also, while it's a good value for high-end tablet, it's not a great value like the Nexus 7 tablets were.
That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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That being said, I think all the Android tablets right now have some fatal flaws. I'm not sure I would pick anything else over the Nexus 9. There's a fair bit to like about the Nexus 9- the screen and speakers being two examples. But if I didn't need a tablet, I'd probably hold off for now. Or, quite frankly, I'd probably more seriously consider shelling out the extra cash for a Surface Pro 3.
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My Galaxy Tab S is a leaps and bounds above the Nexus 9 - I bought it after the N9, because I couldn't wait for Google to rectify the N9's short-comings.
Whilst the Tab S doesn't feel as premium as the N9, it is good, solid, hardware (exceptional screen) and a viable software build.
If Google can fix the N9, I suspect the Tab S will end up on Ebay as I much prefer the N9 keyboard over the Tab S's, but at the moment it is no contest.
I have a Surface Pro 3 too - it is a fantastic machine and has completely replaced my MacBook Pro. However, a tablet it is not IMO - it's a touch screen PC with a detachable keyboard.
It's just too big to serve as a tablet (YMMV).
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I've gone through a lot of Nexus 9s. The answer for me is "maybe". Newer sand models are like a completely different tablet. They run cooler. There is essentially no backlight bleed. The back plates are now glued on so no more bouncy center or creaking . I don't have any lag and performance is great. Destroys my other devices. I can't compare to the old white models I had from Amazon because i never kept one for long enough (bleed, horrible buttons, bouncy backplate, or some other issue). Chrome reloading is the only software issue i have. The only remaining hardware issue is that the buttons are just mediocre. They work fine, but they just don't reflect the price. I returned a couple sand models for this reason which is why I have a good idea of the quality of these newer sand tablets.
Unfortunately the Sand models from Google Store are overpriced, and ordering a cheaper white or black model from Amazon doesn't guarantee good quality. I was able to get a $50 Google Play gift card so I'm happy for the price.