It pisses me off to see me and many others complain about such a basic thing as LAG in this "super powerful" device.
What is the point of all this tons of CPU, huge RAM and etc., if it cannot manage basic tasks quickly. that's great that i can play 3D games, but I want my phone to be responsive as it used to be in the beginning.
How come I need to wait for 5 seconds for my contact list to load? 3 seconds for my SMS to load, 2 seconds for an app to load in the application center. 1.5 second until it responds to a home button. You expect this kind of basic tasks to be done INSTANTLY.
So what if I have lots of contacts? Doesn't Android follow BASIC programming concepts?
That is first load the frame, then show LOADING, then load the most necessary (in that case would be the first part of the list) and then load the rest. This way it doesn't feel laggy for the user. How come it simply loads for 5 seconds without any response and then shows ALL at once.
Everything is laggy, almost anything I press takes 1-2 seconds to respond the first time. Second time is mostly instant.
Tried to clean cache of all apps, using memory cleaners, disable double home click, I am at version 4.3, using Go Launcher.
How can I find if there's a specific app that causing it? Or what should I clean to make it go smooth as it used to be when it was new? all these task managers and such don't make ANY difference. Total waste of time.
Don't mind me being pissed and thank you for your input
P.S. - My device is not rooted.
yeah....that's why i put my S4 aside and bought the G2. it's touchwiz. it's horribly optimized and has been since JB. on ICS, touchwiz was great. it was snappy, fast, awesome. it was amazing on my S3. then the S3 got JB, and it turned to utter garbage. now, every samsung phone since JB is awful.
they really need to scrap TW and code it all over again.
I'm not getting this 5 second lag. 1 and a half seconds perhaps on the contact list and I have maybe 210 people on there.
If you're getting 5 seconds of lag I think something's up. I'm getting pretty quick responses WITH Power-Saving Mode enabled. With it disabled I don't really notice anything different tbh lol.
Sorry you're having a pain of a time. If you're going to get a new phone I would suggest the Nexus 5 :laugh:
I'm stock non-rooted.
Nova Launcher
That's it.
johno86 said:
I'm not getting this 5 second lag. 1 and a half seconds perhaps on the contact list and I have maybe 210 people on there.
If you're getting 5 seconds of lag I think something's up. I'm getting pretty quick responses WITH Power-Saving Mode enabled. With it disabled I don't really notice anything different tbh lol.
Sorry you're having a pain of a time. If you're going to get a new phone I would suggest the Nexus 5 :laugh:
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Nah, I'm not gonna get a new phone just because of that.
Could you perhaps tell me with which accounts you sync your contact list? I would assume that's related. Also are you trying it after your has been idle for a while? (it's much more responsive when I open it the second time)
Because of all the bloat you have installed...take off go launcher lol
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Go launcher is the worst. Go to the dev settings and change animation time to 0.5x or off, get apex or nova and use the fastest animation speeds, try different dialer & messaging apps. Don't use memory cleaners or task managers just delete whatever apps you don't use. Basically avoid using as much touchwiz crap as possible lol. Also know that live wallpaper and a lot of widgets cash slow things down too. I would think keeping all the stupid proximity sensor stuff on doesn't help either.
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It really does suck how slow this phone is considering it's hardware. Samsung needs to hire some new people because my girlfriend's htc one is very smooth and snappy with almost no lag (minus att 's slow 4g network) I wish htc would pull their heads out of their a**es and build good phones with good cameras with removable batteries and sd cards :banghead:
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If you go through and disable stuff like crazy it improves, but that doesn't really speak well for Samsung.
Frankly I'm done with 'em as a company.
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If you go through and disable stuff like crazy it improves, but that doesn't really speak well for Samsung.
Frankly I'm done with 'em as a company.
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I agree. But with htc in the sh*tter and Samsung heading in a similar direction, what other manufacturer is worth a damn? Or even half of one?
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I'm using nova prime as well as quite a few xposed mods including XuiMod.
All my nova settings are at faster than light, XuiMod settings are also set to fast, and I've set the transition animation scales to 0 /. 5 as well.
My S4 flies. I have no complaints at all. I've used titanium and gotten rid of all the BS too.
I agree TW has a lot going on but can be set up quite good and run quite fast. I've looked at other phones over and over again, trying to get back into flashing ROMs, but I keep landing back at my S4. It's still an awesome phone
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Don't mistaken transition speed for loading/processing speed which are two totally different things. The S4 is no slouch, if it's "lagging" like you said, it's an app for sure. I nor anyone I know with an S4 has experienced this phantom lag. But then again we don't blow up our phone with launchers, widgets, or 5 different apps telling me my battery level and apps running. Try using stock everything (launchers, dialers*lol*, messaging*lol*)
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whatever61 said:
It pisses me off to see me and many others complain about such a basic thing as LAG in this "super powerful" device.
What is the point of all this tons of CPU, huge RAM and etc., if it cannot manage basic tasks quickly. that's great that i can play 3D games, but I want my phone to be responsive as it used to be in the beginning.
How come I need to wait for 5 seconds for my contact list to load? 3 seconds for my SMS to load, 2 seconds for an app to load in the application center. 1.5 second until it responds to a home button. You expect this kind of basic tasks to be done INSTANTLY.
So what if I have lots of contacts? Doesn't Android follow BASIC programming concepts?
That is first load the frame, then show LOADING, then load the most necessary (in that case would be the first part of the list) and then load the rest. This way it doesn't feel laggy for the user. How come it simply loads for 5 seconds without any response and then shows ALL at once.
Everything is laggy, almost anything I press takes 1-2 seconds to respond the first time. Second time is mostly instant.
Tried to clean cache of all apps, using memory cleaners, disable double home click, I am at version 4.3, using Go Launcher.
How can I find if there's a specific app that causing it? Or what should I clean to make it go smooth as it used to be when it was new? all these task managers and such don't make ANY difference. Total waste of time.
Don't mind me being pissed and thank you for your input
P.S. - My device is not rooted.
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whatever61, did your phone behave like you have explained (lag) when you first bought it? If the answer is no then you have an apps/widgets/or other software on the phone causing you the problem. The ole' saying 'keep it simple stupid' kind of applies here (not saying at all that you are stupid). There are only so many resources in our phones...cpu capabilities, memory etc. The resources in our S4s are pretty significant considering the size and the limited power available. It really boils down to this...the more task you demand your phone to perform the more resources it uses and at some point it has to slow down to reallocate the limited resources it has...lag. Task managers use more resources than they save...live wallpaper is a resource hog...widgets (weather, facebook, goggle now, goggle +, pandora etc) constantly updating and running are resource hogs...contracts with added thumbnails, although "neat", take up not only memory but take longer (resources) to process when you want to look at one (when you call up a contact do you want the information or do you want to look at a picture, which one of those do you NEED?)...email and messaging apps that have to sync more than a few days of old mail/messages is a waste time and resources...Samsung has put a lot of "cute" animations and gesture sensitive "crap" on our phones...they are "cute" but not necessary and use resources. Bottom line...do a factory reset, decide what you need and "keep it simple stupid". (Again, I'm not calling you stupid!!).
Don't worry, I didn't think you are calling me stupid
Yes, if I remember correctly in the beginning it was working faster (but cannot say for sure what and where was the lag already existing and where it wasn't) and what you're saying about widgets, lots of apps and all that is very obvious and very general (thanks for the input, though). The don't install too many apps or reset to factory approach is not something I think a correct approach. I bought a super powerful phone to be able to install whatever I want on it, right?
Besides an example that I provide is that when I am in the application manager and pressing on an application it takes like 2 seconds to open up. I don't think it's related to me having too many apps.
I think that I should be able to see which app is causing the lag in each case and then make my decision based on it. Yes, I can install different task managers to show me which app is taking how much CPU and RAM, but I don't see anything exceptional there. Problem is at specific actions I do, so it would be good to see what happens (like in Chrome inspect element) when I press on the action, which processes are being launched, how much time it takes for them to complete and how much CPU was used at each process. A log like that would do the job.
Besides my post was more about the wrong engineering (see the example of the Contact list lag) and the fact that many people complain about the lag in S4 and a question if someone knows about a tool that can help me find what is causing the lag (see description of the tool above).
Thanks
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Don't mistaken transition speed for loading/processing speed which are two totally different things. The S4 is no slouch, if it's "lagging" like you said, it's an app for sure. I nor anyone I know with an S4 has experienced this phantom lag. But then again we don't blow up our phone with launchers, widgets, or 5 different apps telling me my battery level and apps running. Try using stock everything (launchers, dialers*lol*, messaging*lol*)
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I don't like "stock everything", besides seems to me like stock stuff is even more laggy.
I don't blow up my phone with stuff neither and I think the reason lies in something else (see my post above for a better explanation)
whatever61 said:
I don't like "stock everything", besides seems to me like stock stuff is even more laggy.
I don't blow up my phone with stuff neither and I think the reason lies in something else (see my post above for a better explanation)
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I understand your frustration and your point is well taken. I don't know of a utility/app that will enable you to clearly identify an app or process that is causing the lag you experience. I know doing a Factory Reset is a big PITA and I never recommend that to someone unless I know of no other "cure" for the problem. And, sometimes a Factory Reset isn't the cure either. But often it is. The reason I recommended Factory Reset is that it is about the only way you can (that I know of) start with a "clean" phone and nail down the app or apps that are causing a problem as you reinstall them one or two at a time. I have a developer edition S4, rooted and bootloader unlocked, and I usually will do a factory reset every two or three weeks even while running a ROM that has been debloated and "fine tuned". It usually improves battery life and the phone works smoother...or maybe it's just my imagination, but I don't think so. Anyway, good luck, hope you find the problem. Maybe some wise ole' guy will come along and point you in the right direction.
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I don't like "stock everything", besides seems to me like stock stuff is even more laggy.
I don't blow up my phone with stuff neither and I think the reason lies in something else (see my post above for a better explanation)
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Well, for the most reliable experience, it is always best to stick with stock.
My advice is to run stock everything for a day to see if that's the problem. Your other option would be a factory reset in which I am trying to make you avoid.
Do you have 3rd party apps installed like sms/launcher/dialer/lockscreen/etc.? I can't imagine the amount of processes going on if someone had all those apps installed.
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I really dont understand why people complain about this so called lag. I've had no such thing since I got my s4 right when they came out.
My girlfriend gets her S4 acting all strange sometimes too, can seem laggy. However she is constantly downloading music and she uses like 3 programs to do so. I've had to remove quite a few of those apps and then it's working like new again. Sometimes a lot of the apps available out there just aren't the best and can screw things right up I think. I've had none of the issues she's had. Mine has been fast as hell since day one. And hers is back to normal too, I just have to keep an eye on her!!
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This post is ancient, but I still got the problem
I am just curious if other S4 users have the same problem or most don't ?
Then I will know that something is possible to do for sure, at least..
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I'm curious... Do you apply/wanna apply a lag fix because your device is actually lagging or is it just the thing to do nowadays? I ask because I have never found a need for one. The only lag I had on the Vibrant was when I first took it out of the box and even that was kinda tolerable. But as things are right now, I really don't see how my device could get any faster and if it could...why? Quadrant scores? What is the real advantage (if any) to having it? .02¢
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
High quadrant scores. Do you see the first thing most people mention when they install the lag fix?
"My quadrant score went from 200 to 2000!!!!!!!!" as if it was an indicator of actual performance.
No good, controlled tests have been conducted.
I don't use it. The one time I did, when it was included in the kernel with BLN, I had horrible battery life. Most people use it to get higher scores. The N1 would run circles around the Vibrant in terms of scores but when in real world testing, both devices are just as fast.
It's not just scores...
It makes your system a bit faster people nowadays do it without needing to and there's nothing wrong with that.
I run a lagfix and it has improved my speed and response.
Without making me lose any battery
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It's not just scores...
It makes your system a bit faster people nowadays do it without needing to and there's nothing wrong with that.
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Point taken, but looking at most of the threads in the Q&A section...it seems that the LF's do more harm than good, especially if you aren't too sure about what you're doing.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
The lag fix circumvents RFS in many areas.
Galaxy S phones have terrible I/O performance. Notably Database Read/Writes and apps that work generally hit the storage often.
Run Touchdown on a Galaxy S phone without a lag fix and you'll see how sluggish that application runs due to RFS. The workaround is to move the database to the external SD Card (which results in frequent corruptions) or install a lag fix.
It also causes the phone to take an inordinate amount of time to boot up (Media Scanning... etc.) and lag randomly when applications sync and access the storage to write data. It lags when Installing and Uninstalling applications from the Android market as well.
If you think a Lag Fix is only to boost Quadrant Scores (those scores are bunk, anyways), then perhaps you're using a different phone in a Vibrant casing.
There are several applications littered with "laggy on my Galaxy S" in the market.
Also, there is a bug in the Samsung Android 2.1 kernel that breaks some applications. That's why there are apps popping up saying you need 2.2 on your Galaxy S phone to run them (Skype, Yahoo Messenger, etc.).
My Vibrant, both before and after JI6, was laggy to the point of not being usable - until I applied RyanZA's OCLF (I removed OCLF and tried voodoo but soft-bricked the phone in the process). I've never run the Quadrant score analysis - all I care about is usability of the phone, and after the OCLF was applied my phone became usable.
I tried Axura 2.0.x with no lag fixes and, while my phone was generally faster than JI6 pre-lag fix, it still suffered from lag in many user interactions (opening apps, launching email, reading individual emails, using gallery, etc.) I went back to stock + JI6 via ODIN, reapplied OCLF, and was happy again.
Are there different hardware revisions of the Vibrant that might account for the differences in user experience? I've seen many posts from users who claim they never had any lag or GPS problems, and many more (like me) who have been plagued with them.
Most of those users are fanboys and wouldn't admit it even if they fot one of those 5+ second lockups while making their post.
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BlackElvis79 said:
I'm curious... Do you apply/wanna apply a lag fix because your device is actually lagging or is it just the thing to do nowadays? I ask because I have never found a need for one. The only lag I had on the Vibrant was when I first took it out of the box and even that was kinda tolerable. But as things are right now, I really don't see how my device could get any faster and if it could...why? Quadrant scores? What is the real advantage (if any) to having it? .02¢
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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It's cause the phone is laggy. I don't usr lag fixes because I don't lile tampering with phones at the system level, regardless, but I have freezes several times a day and have even had my phone completely lock up on me a couple of times - requiring a battery pull.
The less services you have running, and the less apps that sync data runnimg, the less the lag is. The lag happens mostly when the storagr is used (background syncing can cause it, for example).
Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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Once you go Lag Fix you never go back! Lol
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It has made some apps actually usable.
Before the lag fix, the facebook app was basically unusable for me. Any action would have a 5-10 second pause before seeing a result.
Swipe to scroll, wait, click a picture, wait.
I think the facebook app was the worse for me because I did manual updates so every time I launched the app, it would be d/ling and writing while I was trying to scroll around and read stuff.
But in general, it has made my phone usable. Before I did the lag fix, I basically stopped using my phone because it got so annoying having to wait.
I've never run quadrant on my phone actually. I don't even really use root for anything. I did it primarily for the lag fix and the I changed my battery bar so that it's accurate. Everything else I'm happy with.
So, could this just be an issue that only certain phones have? Or, could some of it be mental? Like, if you hear enough ppl say that this is broken or that isn't working...you start to think that yours is broken also? I've never had an issue with gps...and I use foursquare and navigation on a regular basis. But everybody else seems to have broken gps.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
N8ter said:
Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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This makes sense. Everything besides my work email account is synced manually. FB, TD, etc. And when I get really busy I even cut my data off. But on the other hand, I text and browse constantly. And switch back and forth between appear running simultaneously. And when im not working...
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
BlackElvis79 said:
This makes sense. Everything besides my work email account is synced manually. FB, TD, etc. And when I get really busy I even cut my data off.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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hmm... I used a JFS lag fix for awhile, and it still hung slightly when syncing.
it did not seem better or worse really.
and the same thing happens on my mytouch so I think its just something that happens, lag fix running or not.
its really not that bothersome, but I do the same as you, I manually sync most everything.
I mean if I'm not looking at my facebook widget constantly, why should it be auto syncing?
lol it only takes a second to push the refresh button
but thats just me.
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It's cause the phone is laggy. I don't usr lag fixes because I don't lile tampering with phones at the system level, regardless, but I have freezes several times a day and have even had my phone completely lock up on me a couple of times - requiring a battery pull.
The less services you have running, and the less apps that sync data runnimg, the less the lag is. The lag happens mostly when the storagr is used (background syncing can cause it, for example).
Yes, people with no twit/fb/reader apps/accounts setup, among other things may be totally fine depending on their usage.
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I have 2 email account, syncmypix, weather apps & news updating every hour and i have never had any lag problems, even running on JI2 stock, much less ever had phone freezes. The ONLY time I had phone freezing was messing with those OC kernels, which I promptly uninstalled.
Let me ask people that run lag fixes this, when playing with the Vibrant at the t-mobile store, why did you choose buy it if you were experiencing this "lag", especially when it was running stock firmware?
edit: I also ran JFS lag fix for a day, but that drained my battery faster than a fat kid ate cake. It was not even noticeably faster either.
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So, could this just be an issue that only certain phones have? Or, could some of it be mental? Like, if you hear enough ppl say that this is broken or that isn't working...you start to think that yours is broken also? I've never had an issue with gps...and I use foursquare and navigation on a regular basis. But everybody else seems to have broken gps.
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Its not mental its on every phone. Unless lagfixed/hacked u have the same fileaystem as us.
The home switchers and unofficial roms are morw mental due to placebo effect - some lag fixes aren't even that good, but people claim tenfold improvements due to placebo effect...
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I have 2 email account, syncmypix, weather apps & news updating every hour and i have never had any lag problems, even running on JI2 stock, much less ever had phone freezes. The ONLY time I had phone freezing was messing with those OC kernels, which I promptly uninstalled.
Let me ask people that run lag fixes this, when playing with the Vibrant at the t-mobile store, why did you choose buy it if you were experiencing this "lag", especially when it was running stock firmware?
edit: I also ran JFS lag fix for a day, but that drained my battery faster than a fat kid ate cake. It was not even noticeably faster either.
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The phone T the store wasn't syncing a google and corp accoumt, plus facebook, plus twitter, and other apps. It simply wadn't prone to lagging, brcausr no user in their righy mind sets their **** up on a display unit just to test it.
Btw, "why didn't you test it for 10 min before you bought it" is getting old.
Their were no other good phones in t-mo when many of us broughy yhis. Couldn't just swap for a g2, mt4g, or hd7.
Many people thought an update would fix it, like the gps.
We were wrong, obviously.
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hmm... I used a JFS lag fix for awhile, and it still hung slightly when syncing.
it did not seem better or worse really.
and the same thing happens on my mytouch so I think its just something that happens, lag fix running or not.
its really not that bothersome, but I do the same as you, I manually sync most everything.
I mean if I'm not looking at my facebook widget constantly, why should it be auto syncing?
lol it only takes a second to push the refresh button
but thats just me.
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If not syncing, then you can miss direct message notifications on fb and twitter.
Symcing manually is unacceptable to many. Don't have to do that on other phones......
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Point taken, but looking at most of the threads in the Q&A section...it seems that the LF's do more harm than good, especially if you aren't too sure about what you're doing.
Lag fix? Never have, never will!
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If you have stock rom then oclf is best and I'm on Axura so my choice is voodoo but I've read it causes too many problems.
People should know what their doing before messing with stuff like that..
They have a forum here to ask all these questions but they do it themselves then when their phones screwed they ask questions...
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If not syncing, then you can miss direct message notifications on fb and twitter.
Symcing manually is unacceptable to many. Don't have to do that on other phones......
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I've done it on pretty much every phone I've owned, but like I said its not really nessicary, if anything its a slight stutter, but either way its not different than other android phones I've used (even my vibrant using a lag fix). its really just my preference to sync manually.
Hey so I've been toying around with the multi-tasking and might have a tip that works for you.
Would be interested to see if it helps others as well.
I removed panels from my home screen and it seems to have improved mult-tasking.
I personally don't need 7 panels...
Simply click the home button to get to the panel browser, long-press a panel and drag it to remove.
Does this help with anyone else or am I imagining things?
I have it set to only five panels and so multi tasking isn't any better.
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Hey so I've been toying around with the multi-tasking and might have a tip that works for you.
Would be interested to see if it helps others as well.
I removed panels from my home screen and it seems to have improved mult-tasking.
I personally don't need 7 panels...
Simply click the home button to get to the panel browser, long-press a panel and drag it to remove.
Does this help with anyone else or am I imagining things?
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Every little thing you do helps with memory. Live wallpaper? Memory, around 30MB. Widgets? Each widget takes up memory. I've had 1x1 brightness widgets take up 2MB each time. They'll add up.
So you can remove screens, remove those big ass HTC widgets, and keep things lean and you will save memory. Every bit counts on this phone because HTC has screwed it up.
To clarify, since you seem to think HTC screwed up, this phone has plenty of RAM. THAT isn't the issue with this multitasking. They made it too aggressive. I've heard that they fixed it on the One X, and I'm sure they'll apply a similar fix to us. And custom ROMs have fixed those problems as well. It isn't a hardware issue, it's a software issue.
Edit: that was directed at the poster above me, I thought I hit the quote button but I guess not.
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To clarify, since you seem to think HTC screwed up, this phone has plenty of RAM. THAT isn't the issue with this multitasking. They made it too aggressive. I've heard that they fixed it on the One X, and I'm sure they'll apply a similar fix to us. And custom ROMs have fixed those problems as well. It isn't a hardware issue, it's a software issue.
Edit: that was directed at the poster above me, I thought I hit the quote button but I guess not.
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Well reason cause the apps keeps closing so fast is not cause of the ram left, is because the way the phone saves more battery it kills apps like Facebook that used too much ram, I remember on OG evo days we did this too to make sure our phone lasted a full day or close to 12 hours now the htc did it everyone is piss and want them to "fixed it", anyways I do find it annoying sometimes but I feel like going back home and launch the app is much better then using recent apps sometimes ,
It would be nice if they gave u the option..I'd sacrifice some battery life if a panel would stay open without a reload within literally 10 secs..it def ruins multitasking..all multi tasking does now is bring u back to the app u were using and starting over ..
It's sad to say that HTC has implemented worst multitasking than even the iPhone has.
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Well reason cause the apps keeps closing so fast is not cause of the ram left, is because the way the phone saves more battery it kills apps like Facebook that used too much ram, I remember on OG evo days we did this too to make sure our phone lasted a full day or close to 12 hours now the htc did it everyone is piss and want them to "fixed it", anyways I do find it annoying sometimes but I feel like going back home and launch the app is much better then using recent apps sometimes ,
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It's both. There's not much available RAM at bootup because of all the extra crap HTC has put in there. And then on top of that, its overly aggressive app killer options. And then on top of that, its data/background process pause/kill for everything else.
But the RAM thing definitely doesn't help. All I know is when I boot up Sense 4 or boot up CM9 there's 150 on S4 and 390 on CM9 of free RAM. The other stuff hurts too, but RAM being low to start with (about 100MB less than the EVO 3D thanks to video memory) makes it worse.
For those saying "this phone has plenty of RAM" you're right if you never boot up. But once it boots up, 300 of it is gone for video RAM. The original 4G had about 100 go to that, and the 3D had about 200. So "plenty of RAM" means 700, which isn't a ton when you see how much Sense and HTC fills it.
I agree there is a multitasking problem and to bad HTC didn't have foresight to need a extra 512 of ram even... However I have grown use to the multitasking and while it is bad to a point doesn't bother me to much.
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I'm not seeing the problem here. If you back out of an app with the back button, Android kills the app; if you leave the app by pressing the home button, it retains the app. For the last week and a half or so, I've been reading A Game of Thrones via the Kindle app and press home to leave it every time. Whenever I fire it back up, it's right back on the page I left. I don't play any demanding games on my phone so I'm not sure if RAM is a bottleneck in that instance, but these phones aren't exactly staved for memory.
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I'm not seeing the problem here. If you back out of an app with the back button, Android kills the app; if you leave the app by pressing the home button, it retains the app. For the last week and a half or so, I've been reading A Game of Thrones via the Kindle app and press home to leave it every time. Whenever I fire it back up, it's right back on the page I left. I don't play any demanding games on my phone so I'm not sure if RAM is a bottleneck in that instance, but these phones aren't exactly staved for memory.
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When you use other apps is diferentes Like Tapatalk and Facebook
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It varies on the app. Browsers use much more and will trigger it quite a bit faster than most things.
It must certainly be dependent on the app, because I'm developing my own App and while testing I'm noticing that the tasker is not killing it. I can hit the home screen and be away for multiple hours, and open the app back up, and I will be at the same activity (screen) I left off at.
I meant it varies depending on what other apps you use. If you use apps that are all 30 mb it might take a bit. But open a browser and do 3 tabs or 1 tab with flash content and you'll have your old apps close.
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It would be nice if they gave u the option..I'd sacrifice some battery life if a panel would stay open without a reload within literally 10 secs..it def ruins multitasking..all multi tasking does now is bring u back to the app u were using and starting over ..
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Totally agree. It's very frustrating in my opinion.... Hopefully there's a fix soon for this.
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As I said, I'm a noob when it comes to not the Galaxy Note but also the Android Operating system. Before switching to Android in April, I was stuck on iOS (iPhone 4) for more than 2 years; before that was the good old Symbian OS on a Nokia N95 8 GB. So far, since making the switch, the experience has been great. Themes, ringtones, tons of customization are just some of the things that are easily possible with "jailbreaking" on my former device.
That being said, I'm still adjusting to my new phone even after 3 months. Thats why I'm starting this thread; I need help on a few questions. So, here it goes (I did search for a lot of these, but no solid solutions) -
1. One of the great things about my old phone was the battery life. Even after using the phone's music function, checking facebook/emails/news/weather every now and then, I would still have around 60%~80% juice left after an 8~10 hour shift at work. None of that on the Note. Just having the 4G running leaves me with around 40%~50% juice after work, with no hard usage like going on the web, or using my phone as a music player. How come? I understand that most of the juice is used by the big-ass display; but there is a still a huge consumption even when the display is not turned on at all. I recently came across a term called deep sleep on the forum; I'm not sure if my phone goes to that or not. How do I check (keep in mind that I'm a noob; I installed CPU Spy, Battery Spy and BetterBatteryStats, but what am I looking for. I'll include a pic from all these apps)? Basically, how do I increase battery life?
2. Charging/Data cables - I dont understand this.. I have included a picture of 3 cables. The 1st one of my brother's from an old HTC phone. This is the only cable I can use to transfer date to and from my phone; that too with a lot care because if I move my phone around, the connection gets lost and I cant even charge my phone unless I unplug the cable, put my phone in a stationary position and replug the cable. The 2nd one is the cable I use to charge my phone. I cant use it to transfer data (I guess because of the little head converter); again, with this cable I cant move my phone around. I have to keep the phone screen-up for it to charge; cant pick it up or move it around or no charge. The 3rd cable is useless. It came with a pair of bluetooth head set. I cant transfer data, nor charge my phone. On some cables, my phone shows its charging; but it either charges very very slow, or shows its at a 100%, but as soon as I take the cable out, the % goes down to 60~85. The phone seems to charge fine on a car charger I have (not a USB car charger, this one has no removable parts). I think it might be the USB port on my phone, but not sure.
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
Long read, I know. Just wanted to cram in as much information as possible so that I can get answers as soon as possible. Any and all answers will be appreciated. Thanks a lot for taking the time to read through the whole thread and replying (if you do).
Ways to increase battery life:
- I hear using wifi as much as possible instead of data is a huge improvement as well as turning off auto sync and you can turn wifi off when the display is off. Also the typical of having it on a low brightness, finding out if you have any rogue apps that are causing more drain than they should. The last resort is to get either multiple batteries or an extended one with a different back case. Aside from those things, you are only going to get so much on time display from the note. I get on average 3.5 hours and can push my phone to about 22 hours from 100%. Milestone 6 Rom, KingKangKernel 5
About the cables:
- Buy a new usb cable. If you ever intend on modifying your phone or even transferring any time of data, you are going to NEED to have a secure and trustworthy connection. And by a new wall adapter. (most phone cables come with the little adapter head for outlets so just make sure it comes included). Pop it off for computer use, and pop it on for wall use. There are a ton of threads about those in the accessories section so you may want to give that a peek. They also have info there about possible substitution batteries.
Ram:
-I don't understand this too much because haha I suck with some techy stuff. But I believe that touchwiz uses a lot of the ram (could be completely wrong) But, I know that a lot of those apps that you are never going to use AT&T(insert name here) apparently constantly are using power and resources. I used to try to clear the ram all the time and it never really went down. Haha sorry I can't help more with this part.
Roms:
- Milestone 6 with KingKangKernel5 ALL THE WAY!!! I would be willing to walk you through the process step-by-step with all the files and such that you would need if you'd like. Other than that, you need to have an idea of what you want before going to the development side of things. Do you want Touchwiz, OC, UV, BLN (YOU WANT BLN lmao), miui, cm9, cm10 (haha), aokp, aosp, aocp, a stock feel, customization out the ying yang. Decide all this stuff and then your choices will narrow drastically to about two or three. From there, it is easy to experiment and possibly decide you had your requirements all wrong and start the process from the beginning haha.
Warranty:
- Get your next insurance claim through BB (best buy). Their black tie protection covers anything as many times as you want without that 200 dollar fee (might as well get a new phone at that ridiculous price!!!) for only ten dollars a month. : D
-Don't know how AT&T does their insurance stuff but I feel if your issues are physical (scratch/ port) that they have no reason to deny you a claim even if there is proof of modification because rooting doesn't crack your screen or break your port. Hahaha, but they can be uptight so I would suggest possibly getting the claim first and then delving into the developmental side of things. There is an odin flashable zip to bring your counter back to 0. I have never tried it personally but many people have had a ton of success with it so I would suggest checking out that thread and just reading carefully what other people do so that you do not make a mistake with anything.
Hope this helps. Hahahahaha, sorry it's so long.
Custom roms improve batt life greatly because on a stock phone u have tons of apps running in the background if u root and flash a rom u can freeze all of them that u want plus now we can over clock our kernels to make r note fly as far as the rom for u ....well u just have to try them diff strokes for diff folks lol i use cm9 roms alot u got to remember ur note has a huge screen so its gonna pull more batt...i also use jucie defender ultimite ...bigjoe has a super everything thread for this phone u can find all ur answers there
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1. Battery life varies strongly with usage, in CPUSpy each bar represents how much time the phone processor has spent at each speed. The more time spent at lower speeds the better for your battery life.
If you scroll to the bottom of the list the lowest speed should either be: 384 MHz or Deep Sleep
The phone only enters Deep Sleep if the phone screen is off, and no apps are calling for CPU time. This speed saves the most battery. Rogue apps could be preventing your phone from sleeping. BetterBatteryStats is a tool to help you discover these apps and either: change your usage patterns or uninstall them.
Check CPUSpy first. If Deep Sleep is not at the bottom, or its bar is relatively small then check BetterBatteryStats for the rogue app.
However even if it's in Deep Sleep if you get around the city a lot during the day the phone will be switching radio towers often, switching uses quite a bit of battery. If you stay in a single place for a while you should be able to leave it on a desk for 8 hours and find that you have lost none or almost no battery at all (Such as at night when you are sleeping).
This is a "4G" phone, carrier coverage is spotty and if you are in an area with bad reception or poor coverage, your phone's radio must switch to a higher power level to maintain a connection with the cell tower thus using more battery. 4G towers are more sparse, and therefore 4G has worse coverage compared to your previous phones.
2. You should be using the cable included with your phone. Charging cables obviously will not carry data. But data cables will do both, get yourself a good cable.
3. Don't worry about ram at all. Android has one of the finest ram management systems out there. The phone has 1 GB of ram, 200-300 MB is reserved for the kernel and kernel processes. Therefore you actually have around 700MB, the phone uses the remaining space to caches apps and other required data so that your experience is more fluid and "Lag-free". Not to mention the ram background services and apps are using. Which brings me back to my original point. Don't worry about it, fiddling with it could ruin your experience with the device and use more battery. Don't use apps to clear it, Google has already stated that this doesn't do much.
4. The original rom is your best bet if you want all of the features of the phone. Cyanogenmod is your second choice, Cyanogenmod does not have S-pen support and some of the services provided from Samsung. Cyanogenmod is very lightweight and is the most popular choice among all android devices.
Nightly-Built means that the rom is basically updated every night, so that you can receive the latest features and improvements. You can check every day and there will be a new update for your phone with the latest additions and fixes. However not all nightly builds are stable, but they are reliable at the moment.
5. The counter only counts when you use ODIN to flash bootloaders and kernels I believe. When most of us say "flashing" we mean flashing through ClockWorkMod or CWM for short. CWM does not advance the counter I believe. There are no reports of anyone being denied warranty because of the counter. Do not flash the counter reset, this does count as a "flash" and it is still detectable by AT&T.
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As I said, I'm a noob when it comes to not the Galaxy Note but also the Android Operating system. Before switching to Android in April, I was stuck on iOS (iPhone 4) for more than 2 years; before that was the good old Symbian OS on a Nokia N95 8 GB. So far, since making the switch, the experience has been great. Themes, ringtones, tons of customization are just some of the things that are easily possible with "jailbreaking" on my former device.
That being said, I'm still adjusting to my new phone even after 3 months. Thats why I'm starting this thread; I need help on a few questions. So, here it goes (I did search for a lot of these, but no solid solutions) -
1. One of the great things about my old phone was the battery life. Even after using the phone's music function, checking facebook/emails/news/weather every now and then, I would still have around 60%~80% juice left after an 8~10 hour shift at work. None of that on the Note. Just having the 4G running leaves me with around 40%~50% juice after work, with no hard usage like going on the web, or using my phone as a music player. How come? I understand that most of the juice is used by the big-ass display; but there is a still a huge consumption even when the display is not turned on at all. I recently came across a term called deep sleep on the forum; I'm not sure if my phone goes to that or not. How do I check (keep in mind that I'm a noob; I installed CPU Spy, Battery Spy and BetterBatteryStats, but what am I looking for. I'll include a pic from all these apps)? Basically, how do I increase battery life?
To increase battery life you can do a few things. Obviously, use as low brightness as you can stand using, and also try to use wallpapers with lots of black, as black pixels do not draw any power on amoled displays. Next, from your CPU spy pic it looks like a rogue may be holding your device in partial wake lock, as your 384 MHz stage has twice the time of your deep sleep stage. Uninstall any apps you dont need, like benchmarks and other one time use apps like that. Also, if you have stuff constantly syncing, that will drain battery with the screen off too. If you need push email, leave sync on, but change the sync settings of less essential apps to manual sync only, so your phone only syncs those when you use the app. Along with the syncing, if you are in an lte area, data usage will eat much more battery than the iphone for the same data usage. Lastly, if you have crappy cell service, that will also contribute to faster drain.
2. Charging/Data cables - I dont understand this.. I have included a picture of 3 cables. The 1st one of my brother's from an old HTC phone. This is the only cable I can use to transfer date to and from my phone; that too with a lot care because if I move my phone around, the connection gets lost and I cant even charge my phone unless I unplug the cable, put my phone in a stationary position and replug the cable. The 2nd one is the cable I use to charge my phone. I cant use it to transfer data (I guess because of the little head converter); again, with this cable I cant move my phone around. I have to keep the phone screen-up for it to charge; cant pick it up or move it around or no charge. The 3rd cable is useless. It came with a pair of bluetooth head set. I cant transfer data, nor charge my phone. On some cables, my phone shows its charging; but it either charges very very slow, or shows its at a 100%, but as soon as I take the cable out, the % goes down to 60~85. The phone seems to charge fine on a car charger I have (not a USB car charger, this one has no removable parts). I think it might be the USB port on my phone, but not sure.
Buy the stock Samsung wall charger/cable. It will do wonders for you. Solid connection, full speed charging, and data transfer.
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
Don't worry about ram usage, android as an os manages it just fine by itself. No need to constantly kill apps or use task killers other than the stock one if you absolutely need to kill something. Constantly killing apps/clearing ram can actually decrease your battery life as well, as constantly killing and restarting apps uses far more resources than leaving them running. Also, if you're constantly killing apps that have push syncing or interval syncing, they will just restart anyways, essentially just killing battery every time you clear ram. Lastly, use as few Widgets as possible. They are nice and pretty, but unless you need them they're just another service that is running, and will slow down your launcher performance if you have too many.
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
Remember, there's no rush, and no "best rom", so just take your time reading how to flash each rom, and try each one out that looks appealing to you. Nobody can tell you what will suit you best, and since all of the roms are great around here, you really can't go wrong trying any of them until you find what fits you best. Custom roms are totally worth it, as they have all of the fat trimmed and are really fun to play with. Be careful though, you may find yourself developing an addiction after you get the hang of things. =].
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
Yes, flashing roms does void your warranty but only temporarily. You can set it back to stock firmware again and be just fine returning or replacing it. People have also returned their phones with the counter tripped, as it seems that as of right now, neither att or Samsung cares about it. Have you flashed anything yet? If not, get your phone replaced before you do just to be sure, then when you get your new one back, you can have already read and downloaded everything you need to root and rom it as soon as you get it back. =].
Long read, I know. Just wanted to cram in as much information as possible so that I can get answers as soon as possible. Any and all answers will be appreciated. Thanks a lot for taking the time to read through the whole thread and replying (if you do).
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tutusinghsohi said:
3. The 4th picture is of the Go Task Manager widget. Currently its showing 239 MB of RAM free. I closed Battery Spy, and it came down to around 300~325 MB free. Does Go Launcher take a lot of memory? How can I free more RAM? Didnt the Galaxy Note have 1 GB of RAM; what happened to the remaining 305 MB of RAM?
4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
5. Flashing the phone with a custom ROM voids the warranty, right? Does the "flashing counter" thing work (I read somewhere that there's an easy way of flashing the counter in Recovery to 0)? I included a pic of a crack thats on my screen (long story short, I dropped my phone screen down on a rock). I'm about to send it to AT&T (since I have insurance from them) for the screen (hopefully they'll send me a new one, which will fix the whole charging/data transfer problem too). Will they check the counter too? Should I flash the counter? I have to pay $200 for a claim, be it water damage, accidental damage, theft, loss, etc; if they do check the counter, should the just drop the **** out of the phone so it dosnt work at all?
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Ok first keep in mind I came to android with almost the same background as you and about the same time.
Question 3: anything with Go in the name I have seen huge team usage... also custom Roms will be a great thing for your ram you will see big changes if you go with anything like AOKP AOSP or AOCP. These are as close to basic unmodified android as you will find with little to no extras.
4: cyanogen mods are good in my opinion, nightly builds are not finals they are updated nightly... as for a Rom I tried a few and have found my favorite is the collective builds.they just came out with the AOCP (newly updated coming soon) and there is one member of the team that likes ultra slim builds and he slims them down to the bear bones. When ready to flash give them a shot.
5: flashing will void warranty, with that said so did the crack you have. This counts as physical damage. So insurance is the best option. I do agree best buy ins is great but as you have att ins might as well use it. With a crack screen I think you will get a different device to fix charge port but will most likely get refurb phone. I would root and flash with this one so you can do it and IF anything goes wrong you need an instant replacement any way and your not out anything
Other 2 questions I didn't feel I was the one to answer nor am I a expert on any of this, just the info I have
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Battery life isn't the greatest on the Note, but it's acceptable. If you use it a lot, the battery will drain. You can try using a different CPU governor (lulzactive, smartassv2, etc. in custom kernels) to improve battery life or just use powersave (which decreases performance but improves battery life). You also have to account for the huge screen which is OLED, not LCD. With an LCD (like the iPhone 4 has) there is an array of white LED's that illuminate the screen. There's probably 8 or so of them. The LCD glass is a color filter which colors the white light from the backlight. The LCD itself uses little power, and the LED backlight only has 8 or so LED's. The Note uses an AMOLED screen (Active-Matrix Organic LED) in which each individual pixel is four independent LED's (RGBG). They're small LED's and use little power on their own, but you have 1280x800x4 of them (well, not quite due to the pentile arrangement staggering pixels). When they're all on (white screens) it uses a lot of power, especially when brightness is up. On the plus side, when they're all off (dark screens) they use much less power. To save power on an AMOLED, use a darker background/theme.
As for RAM usage, the Note has 1GB and you really don't need to worry about checking it. Android manages RAM very well, especially when it has 1GB to work with. When you leave an app in Android it isn't closed, merely pushed back in an application stack. Only when Android determines that RAM is filling up does it start removing stale apps from this stack.
Personally I've used my Note with many different cables without issue. The included Samsung charger and cable work very well, and I think has the most solid connection of all of them, but I've had success with a cord from my Archos media player as well as my HP TouchPad tablet. The TouchPad's wall charger also gives a slight charging boost as it provides more power (2A vs. 1A) but the Note's highest charge rate is around 1.1A so you don't see a huge difference. It does need a bit more than a standard 500mA USB port provides, so if you plan to charge it off your PC or a 500mA charger, you need to turn off the screen and leave it off, otherwise the screen will eat up the power, leaving none for the battery.
My favorite ROM is CyanogenMod 9. This is a built-from-scratch (Google's source + modifications) ROM that includes a lot of nice features while retaining the stock Android look and feel. I personally do not like TouchWiz or the customizations that Samsung added to their Note ROMs but many people do. It's all about personal preference. A nightly build means that a new release of the ROM is posted (usually by an automated system) every night. This is what CyanogenMod uses for most devices, as their project has many developers and is constantly updating. You don't need to update every day, but a nightly ROM means that you always have access to the latest updates if you want them.
As for the flash counter, I would warranty the phone before flashing a custom ROM. I generally don't take warranty into account on my tech purchases because with all the hacking I do it's often void, but usually if you restore the stock firmware they will fix hardware issues obviously not caused by your ROM flashing..
Thank you all for the quick replies.
Regarding the cable, I've come across this on amazon - /gp/product/B007JZGO6S/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&smid=AR2TEZS0WRV7S
Good to buy?
@Ph0n3D0rk - Thank you. Due to the short battery life I've been experiencing, I always use my phone on brightness all the way down with "Automatic Brightness" option turned off. I only have 200 MB per month data, so wifi's the only way to go . I've been looking into extra (or extended batteries); maybe soon. I read into Milestone 6; seems pretty interesting. I might give it a go (maybe when I get the replacement). I'll private message you about it.
@JB calhoun - Thank you. I've started looking into different kinds of ROMs. Is it possible to try out 2 different types or ROMs at the same time? What I mean is that say if I install CM9, then I want to try Milestone 6; will I have to remove CM9 to try Milestone 6? Also, does installing a new ROM every time (almost all instructions say to do a "Wipe data/factory reset") means all my data (on the phone ofcourse and not on the SD card) will be lost? I'm mainly worried about my text messages and whatsapp conversations (I think all other data settings are saved by Google, and reapplied once the app is installed back again, right?)
@SkyStars - Thank you. I tried using BetterBatteryStats, but I have no idea what I'm looking for. Should I be looking at Processes, Partial Wakelocks, Other or Kernel Wakelocks; and then what in these? I've heard a lot about CyagnogenMod. When you say it does not support S-pen, does it mean that the phone has no use for it at all? Can we still maneuver the screen with it, or take screenshots? Or does it just stop working? So, I should stay away from flashing the counter? My counter (I think) right now says 4.
@welchertc - Thank you. I found out about keeping a black wallpaper to decrease battery use a few weeks ago; I've had a black wallpaper since. I'll remove useless apps, then lets see what happens. Is the link I provided in the beginning ok, or should I search for something else? I was wondering about killed apps popping up after some time (Facebook for example). I have email sync turned off. I've been trying to turn off sync for a few apps, but some of them dont give me such an option (eg. The Drudge Report). I have started looking for some ROMs. But I ask you the same question I asked JB about ROMs - Can I have only 1 ROM at a time? And, will have to erase everything every single time? The warranty problem's the same with Apple. Just like you said, it seems to be the same with Apple - just reinstall the stock iOS, and you're ready to go (I had my iPhone changed after I went back to stock from a jailbroken firmware after it also developed battery issues; the new phone I received was brilliant in the battery department). I think my counter is up to 4.
@spade1031 - Thank you. Milestone 6 is an AOKP release. I'll look into the other releases you've mentioned as well. I've been using the Go Launcher because I tried AWD, and didnt like it. Any other nice ones out there? (But maybe I wont need them after a ROM install).
@CalcProgrammer1 - Thank you for the very informative and in-depth writing. What exactly is a CPU governor? If it is what I think it is, then I think I used one back when AT&T hadnt rolled out ICS, and I had (somehow) rooted the older version. I installed an app (dont remember the name) that basically let me create profiles in which I could set the max and min CPU usages; is that it? So I shouldnt worry about closing apps using any witget? The reason I ask is because the phone tends to get a bit slugish when a lot of apps are open, and available RAM (as shown on Go Taskmanger is around ~75 MB). I'll try not closing any apps from now on and note the difference. If I do go with CyanogenMod, what exactly will I be losing in terms of TouchWiz? I have flashed before (tried ICS before it officially came out), so my flash now is at 4. Should I take a chance and turn it in as is and see if they still change it; or should I try flashing the counter before turning it in?
Once again, thanks everyone for the replies.
tutusinghsohi said:
Thank you all for the quick replies
@spade1031 - Thank you. Milestone 6 is an AOKP release. I'll look into the other releases you've mentioned as well. I've been using the Go Launcher because I tried AWD, and didnt like it. Any other nice ones out there? (But maybe I wont need them after a ROM install).
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Dude your gonna hate me but this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538926
Best launcher for the Note? Has a ton of info.. most people will still use a custom launcher after a Rom but it is all personal pref. I like apex (got the paid version) nova isn't bad but not for me... I'm now playing with sslauncher, like this as landscape and portrait can be set 2 different ways and has text icons built in and also NO GRID you have to follow for the icons
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spade1031 said:
Dude your gonna hate me but this thread http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1538926
Best launcher for the Note? Has a ton of info.. most people will still use a custom launcher after a Rom but it is all personal pref. I like apex (got the paid version) nova isn't bad but not for me... I'm now playing with sslauncher, like this as landscape and portrait can be set 2 different ways and has text icons built in and also NO GRID you have to follow for the icons
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Thanks a lot for the link.. I'm going through the thread now..
Go Launcher is alright (for now) because of all the widgets they make.. They turn out pretty crappy when used with other launchers..
Just tried Nova Launcher. Seemed good, but I think I've gotten used to Go Launcher.. But I will definitely make a switch soon..
Also, one of the very first replies to the thread you posted about suggests overclocking. Will I be able to do that when installing custom ROMs?
Regarding how to read Better Battery Stats, the developer of the app is very active on xda and you can actually get help reading the logs from the app on the app thread on xda.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1179809
Make sure you read the OP to see how to post the logs and also it'll give you insight into how to understand what the app is telling you.
tutusinghsohi said:
@welchertc - Thank you. I found out about keeping a black wallpaper to decrease battery use a few weeks ago; I've had a black wallpaper since. I'll remove useless apps, then lets see what happens. Is the link I provided in the beginning ok, or should I search for something else? I was wondering about killed apps popping up after some time (Facebook for example). I have email sync turned off. I've been trying to turn off sync for a few apps, but some of them dont give me such an option (eg. The Drudge Report). I have started looking for some ROMs. But I ask you the same question I asked JB about ROMs - Can I have only 1 ROM at a time? And, will have to erase everything every single time? The warranty problem's the same with Apple. Just like you said, it seems to be the same with Apple - just reinstall the stock iOS, and you're ready to go (I had my iPhone changed after I went back to stock from a jailbroken firmware after it also developed battery issues; the new phone I received was brilliant in the battery department). I think my counter is up to 4.
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To turn off all auto syncing, like I do, Just go into accounts and sync under settings and there should be one box or slier to uncheck to turn off all auto syncing. You can also leave it on and configure your individual accounts such as email, twitter, and facebook to sync automatically or not. =]
And yes, you can only truly run one ROM at a time. You could make a nandroid of one ROM, flash another and configure it, then nandroid the second once you have it set up, then keep restoring those two nandroids every time you want to switch. Although that is pretty ineffective if you like to keep switching things up on your homescreens, as the nandroids stay exactly the same.
You also don't need to erase everything per se. All of your pictures and stuff are a good idea to backup, to your computer or an sd card, if you're flashing a rom that requires a full wipe. Your apps and app data will be wiped, so definitely buy titanium backup pro if you haven't already, as that will allow you to restore all of your apps between flashes. Also, there are various sms backup apps, though I've never used one so I can't recommend any. email you can obviously resync quite easily, same with contacts once you have them all synced to your gmail account. Other than that, about the only thing you can't restore afaik is exactly how you have your homscreens/wallpaper setup.
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4. ROM - FLOODED = the only word I can use after I saw the Android Development section. So many choices. Is it worth flashing my phone with one of these? Which one do you recommend? Is the one for CyanogenMod good? What exactly does Nightly Built mean?
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There is really only like 3-4 unique roms in there. The majority of them are peoples themed versions one of those.
CM9 is by far the smoothest but I am having problems with GAPPs 7/19 build. Im currently running AOSPxXx until I can sort out the GAPPs issues Im having.
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Thanks a lot for the link.. I'm going through the thread now..
Go Launcher is alright (for now) because of all the widgets they make.. They turn out pretty crappy when used with other launchers..
Just tried Nova Launcher. Seemed good, but I think I've gotten used to Go Launcher.. But I will definitely make a switch soon..
Also, one of the very first replies to the thread you posted about suggests overclocking. Will I be able to do that when installing custom ROMs?
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To be honest I tried overclocking only once am I was on a super light weight Rom, with that I didn't see much improvement but I have noticed the people do see am improvement are also using bigger Rom s. Again I'm sure you will see this many times more you are on here "flash it and find out" the reason is no one has done every combo out there. But over clicking will help at times just keep in mind your not happy with the battery now? And your gonna run your phone harder? Lol
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Just wondering how it going? Get your new phone? Flash anything? If so what and what do you think of it?
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1. Get extra batteries/wall charger I bought 3 batteries and charger for like 12 bucks
2. Get cm9 its amazing
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My personal impression regarding Go launcher is that its very complete (widgets included) but for my experience its a heavy battery drainer so unfortunately i had to uninstall it
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So, after 8 months of use, my M8 is finally in a situation where I'm kind of sick of it running so poorly. In the past I've always had these issues over time, but I always contributed it mainly to running custom ROM's. Well, when I got my M8, it ran so well I decided to leave it stock. Well it's finally starting to hit a wall and it's more of a frustration than a joy to use. Swype is borderline impossible to use since it lags so bad, freezes are infrequent but occur, etc etc.
So my question is, what are the most likely contributors? Apps that run in the background? Too many apps? Too much space used? I can't think of much else, since, like I said, it's still fully stock. Or is this just what I have to expect from a phone?
Do you clear the cache in your app settings. If you game a lot than I would definitely start with the game apps first.
Cachemate for root users
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...chemate&pcampaignid=APPU__rOUVPowg5TJBNTAgKAD
Android 5.0.1 is pretty lag free in my opinion
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So, after 8 months of use, my M8 is finally in a situation where I'm kind of sick of it running so poorly. In the past I've always had these issues over time, but I always contributed it mainly to running custom ROM's. Well, when I got my M8, it ran so well I decided to leave it stock. Well it's finally starting to hit a wall and it's more of a frustration than a joy to use. Swype is borderline impossible to use since it lags so bad, freezes are infrequent but occur, etc etc.
So my question is, what are the most likely contributors? Apps that run in the background? Too many apps? Too much space used? I can't think of much else, since, like I said, it's still fully stock. Or is this just what I have to expect from a phone?
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I kept my phone stock for quite some time because I felt I didn't need to change anything, until last week because I was tired of radio issues. Bottom line, ATT sucks at getting updates out, so if your running stock, your firmware is like three updates back. I see a massive improvements in speed and battery with 3.28.1540.5. If you know how, I would S-OFF and upgrade firmware to that and flash the debloated custom stock Rom that comes with root and SU. There are straight forward instructions in the att m8 development thread.
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I kept my phone stock for quite some time because I felt I didn't need to change anything, until last week because I was tired of radio issues. Bottom line, ATT sucks at getting updates out, so if your running stock, your firmware is like three updates back. I see a massive improvements in speed and battery with 3.28.1540.5. If you know how, I would S-OFF and upgrade firmware to that and flash the debloated custom stock Rom that comes with root and SU. There are straight forward instructions in the att m8 development thread.
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I might look into this. What I don't get though.. I can understand if new updates are quicker. That makes sense. What doesn't, is how ridiculously poor my phone runs compared to the first few months I had it. It's been like this for every phone I've had. I don't game, I don't have all that many apps. In my running app list, the only self installed things there are Facebook and Swype. I have plenty of extra storage internal and on my SD. So what is it that causes such poor performance over time? I'll definitely have to check out the newer roms and finally s-off.. but I've done plenty of custom roms before with other phones and the same thing always happens, things run fine for a bit and then slowly go to crap.
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I might look into this. What I don't get though.. I can understand if new updates are quicker. That makes sense. What doesn't, is how ridiculously poor my phone runs compared to the first few months I had it. It's been like this for every phone I've had. I don't game, I don't have all that many apps. In my running app list, the only self installed things there are Facebook and Swype. I have plenty of extra storage internal and on my SD. So what is it that causes such poor performance over time? I'll definitely have to check out the newer roms and finally s-off.. but I've done plenty of custom roms before with other phones and the same thing always happens, things run fine for a bit and then slowly go to crap.
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Its hard to say what is causing your issue, and aside from saying Swype is lagging (might be an issue with that app itself) and the phone "doesn't run so great anymore" you really haven't provided any specifics of what the problem is. You also haven't indicated if you tried to clear cached as jball suggested, and if so, if it helped at all.
Might be some runaway (poorly coded) AT&T bloat apps. But in general, apps running in the background will not slow the system down much. There are various apps to track battery and memory usage, so you might try one of those, to determine if any particular apps are the culprit.
I can't say I've seen any lag on my M8, but I switch ROMs fairly occasionally, and keep it updated to current Android builds (thanks to s-off). Clearing up your data partition alone might help (but might now, on the other hand) so you might also consider backing up any personal data and doing a factory reset. Wiping the slate clean might solve your issue.
Ok.. well a lot info there but one step at a time. I realized my phone is Sunday unusable with Wi-Fi turned on.. which is quite interesting and I'm pretty lost on this one. With Wi-Fi on, it's like my entire phone stops, not just the actual internet speeds. Apps like Facebook take ten seconds just to load, and then the actual content takes sometimes 15 seconds to load or maybe not even at all. Also, keep in mind, my actual internet speeds are fine, and even test perfectly fine on my phone.
As soon as I turn off Wi-Fi, it seems everything on my phone I'd dramatically quicker and everything loads near immediate. I've tried restarting my phone, cycling airplane mode, not really sure what else to do.
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Ok.. well a lot info there but one step at a time. I realized my phone is Sunday unusable with Wi-Fi turned on.. which is quite interesting and I'm pretty lost on this one. With Wi-Fi on, it's like my entire phone stops, not just the actual internet speeds. Apps like Facebook take ten seconds just to load, and then the actual content takes sometimes 15 seconds to load or maybe not even at all. Also, keep in mind, my actual internet speeds are fine, and even test perfectly fine on my phone.
As soon as I turn off Wi-Fi, it seems everything on my phone I'd dramatically quicker and everything loads near immediate. I've tried restarting my phone, cycling airplane mode, not really sure what else to do.
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Does it happen anywhere you use WiFi? If so maybe try fully wiping and flashing the firmware, or just bust out the ruu to make it easier, can't hurt to try it should help tho
Did you even try to wipe cache, as has been suggested twice previously?
Otherwise, if no major system changes, and the phone has just been running worse and worse, a factory reset may help; as I would have to think it may be 3rd party apps that are to blame. Backup your personal data, factory reset, and just start to install a minimum of apps, and see how it runs.
If still no improvement, the above comment to try to RUU is not a bad idea, either. RUU provides a fully "blank slate" and may solve your issue.
My Nexus 9 is running slow most of the times and it takes while to I switch between apps or open an app most of the times...what is the fix for that? I have been trying clearing the dalvick cache several times but no help...and I really don't have lots of apps. Thanks for your help in advance.
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My Nexus 9 is running slow most of the times and it takes while to I switch between apps or open an app most of the times...what is the fix for that? I have been trying clearing the dalvick cache several times but no help...and I really don't have lots of apps. Thanks for your help in advance.
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try flash custom kernel..the memory management is very good with custom kernel
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arminvm said:
My Nexus 9 is running slow most of the times and it takes while to I switch between apps or open an app most of the times...what is the fix for that? I have been trying clearing the dalvick cache several times but no help...and I really don't have lots of apps. Thanks for your help in advance.
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Try tapping on 'Memory used by apps' on that memory settings screen, should let you know what the culprit is
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Try tapping on 'Memory used by apps' on that memory settings screen, should let you know what the culprit is
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Firstly, you need to face the fact that 2GB was a bad decision by Google for this tablet. There is nothing that we can ever do about that. :crying:
If you want to stay on stock, Chrome is the main culprit in consuming Ram. Switching to Habit Browser makes things better as well as changing your DPI to 288. Do a search on XDA regarding this. Whilst it improved things, it was still not enough for me.
I snapped a week ago and have now rooted and flashed CM13 and stuck with Habit. I've been using a few days now, and for the first time, I can keep my 3 Fantasy Premier League Tabs open, (they are huge,) without constant refreshes, redraws and lag. :victory: Right now, I feel for the first time, I'm getting what I paid for and the Nexus Experience. The only bug so far, is that always listening doesn't work.
If you've just bought this tablet, I'd consider returning it if you are not prepared to root. The performance will never be acceptable on stock.
arminvm said:
My Nexus 9 is running slow most of the times and it takes while to I switch between apps or open an app most of the times...what is the fix for that? I have been trying clearing the dalvick cache several times but no help...and I really don't have lots of apps. Thanks for your help in advance.
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Clearing dalvik cache will do precisely ONE thing and ONLY one thing; make it take a long time to boot next time as it regenerates it.
Ignore the amount of available memory. People who are concerned about the amount of free memory are trying to apply bad mswindows knowledge to Android. Totally different and no comparison. UNUSED MEMORY IS WASTED MEMORY!!!
So here is how memory management works in Android; it *preloads* everything that it thinks you are most likely to actually use, so that when you DO use it, it is more likely already loaded and starts up very quickly. If you are switching to something that is NOT already loaded, then it just needs to dump lower priority programs out of memory, which basically only takes a few nanoseconds (billionths of a second). So that is NOT it.
If your device is acting slowly, then you need to figure out what the actual cause is. Trace the CPU utilization with something like the "top" command (the one with busybox is a lot nicer than the one that comes with Android) while you are experiencing slowdown. You can also look to see if there is excessive I/O happening (i.e. read/write to the internal storage), and of course, some software will require a network exchange before it will start up -- nothing you can do about network lags.
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try flash custom kernel..the memory management is very good with custom kernel
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Thanks. I am still on the official rom, I probably should switch.
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Try tapping on 'Memory used by apps' on that memory settings screen, should let you know what the culprit is
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I have done it several times. As I said, I really have not so many apps and just the very common google apps are installed.
Masteryates said:
Firstly, you need to face the fact that 2GB was a bad decision by Google for this tablet. There is nothing that we can ever do about that. :crying:
If you want to stay on stock, Chrome is the main culprit in consuming Ram. Switching to Habit Browser makes things better as well as changing your DPI to 288. Do a search on XDA regarding this. Whilst it improved things, it was still not enough for me.
I snapped a week ago and have now rooted and flashed CM13 and stuck with Habit. I've been using a few days now, and for the first time, I can keep my 3 Fantasy Premier League Tabs open, (they are huge,) without constant refreshes, redraws and lag. :victory: Right now, I feel for the first time, I'm getting what I paid for and the Nexus Experience. The only bug so far, is that always listening doesn't work.
If you've just bought this tablet, I'd consider returning it if you are not prepared to root. The performance will never be acceptable on stock.
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Thanks for your reply. Yeah, most of the times, the slow down happens while I am in chrome and browsing..it actually is not snappy at all in internet browsing...however, I remember it was back in the days that I had bought it.
No, I have this Nexus 9 since last May I think, but have not yet found the time to root it and flash a custom kernel and rom . Anywyas, I have done it previously for my other devices, so not that much rookie in it. Probably will give it a try,
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Clearing dalvik cache will do precisely ONE thing and ONLY one thing; make it take a long time to boot next time as it regenerates it.
Ignore the amount of available memory. People who are concerned about the amount of free memory are trying to apply bad mswindows knowledge to Android. Totally different and no comparison. UNUSED MEMORY IS WASTED MEMORY!!!
So here is how memory management works in Android; it *preloads* everything that it thinks you are most likely to actually use, so that when you DO use it, it is more likely already loaded and starts up very quickly. If you are switching to something that is NOT already loaded, then it just needs to dump lower priority programs out of memory, which basically only takes a few nanoseconds (billionths of a second). So that is NOT it.
If your device is acting slowly, then you need to figure out what the actual cause is. Trace the CPU utilization with something like the "top" command (the one with busybox is a lot nicer than the one that comes with Android) while you are experiencing slowdown. You can also look to see if there is excessive I/O happening (i.e. read/write to the internal storage), and of course, some software will require a network exchange before it will start up -- nothing you can do about network lags.
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Thanks for your kind reply and explanation.
I think that is exactly the problem as even sometimes switching between the apps that I have just opened is also so slow and the nexus lags badly....Yes, I am aware of the network lags, but the problem I was talking about does not have anything to do with it...I will try the command you said, but can I run it on stock rom? I have not yet rooted my nexus nor flashed a custom rom.
Thanks
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Thanks for your kind reply and explanation.
I think that is exactly the problem as even sometimes switching between the apps that I have just opened is also so slow and the nexus lags badly....Yes, I am aware of the network lags, but the problem I was talking about does not have anything to do with it...I will try the command you said, but can I run it on stock rom? I have not yet rooted my nexus nor flashed a custom rom.
You can do some investigation by watching the processes and seeing which are taking the CPU and memory on stock. The problem is, when you find out, there isn't much you can do about it.
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You can do some investigation by watching the processes and seeing which are taking the CPU and memory on stock. The problem is, when you find out, there isn't much you can do about it.
Its quicker and easier to just install a custom rom where this type of work has already been done for you. :victory:
Lately, I've discovered that loading Chrome immediately raises my CPU temp by 30+ degrees. Sometimes that's enough to make things run really slow
Yeah, I agree...I will try to fimd sometime amd go over flashing a custom rom. ??
Yes! I habe noticed that these slow downs mostly happen when I am browsing in Chrome...
Web browsers are DEFINITELY a source of slowdowns.
The problem, more often than not, is actually *javascript* that is written by MORONS. Even on a desktop machine, you can watch the web browser for CPU and RAM utilization, and it just grows and grows and grows until you finally kill the process and start a new one.
What this may come down to is actually quite simple; the CPU in the Nexus 9 is actually more suitable for use as a stovetop than an actual CPU. These things get way too hot way too fast. If you beat on them with a web browser, they'll get hot and throttle down to low/verylow frequency, which will make them generally unresponsive. So if that is what is happening to you, there really end up being a few options to deal with it;
1) disable javascript in the browser,
2) don't use the browser,
3) improve the ability to disperse heat from the CPU.
For #3, you may note that when it gets hot, it is pretty localized to the corner of the device up near the power button. An easy solution to distribute heat better might be something simple, like adding a layer of copper foil to the inside of the back cover. The thicker the copper foil the better. Copper is very good at conducting heat, so this would spread the heat around over the entire area covered by that foil. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Foil...nductive-Adhesive-Ship-from-USA-/162018486132
I also found chrome was slow starting up, switching tabs etc. Found that logging out of my Google account in chrome improved this. Seems that synching tabs etc triggers the pause. This might be an acceptable workaround for some but I appreciate it isn't a great fix if you want to use that feature. Actually I'm not bothered as I think Google know too much anyway. �� But the underlying problem is this tablet... I don't have this problem on my phone.
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Web browsers are DEFINITELY a source of slowdowns.
The problem, more often than not, is actually *javascript* that is written by MORONS. Even on a desktop machine, you can watch the web browser for CPU and RAM utilization, and it just grows and grows and grows until you finally kill the process and start a new one.
What this may come down to is actually quite simple; the CPU in the Nexus 9 is actually more suitable for use as a stovetop than an actual CPU. These things get way too hot way too fast. If you beat on them with a web browser, they'll get hot and throttle down to low/verylow frequency, which will make them generally unresponsive. So if that is what is happening to you, there really end up being a few options to deal with it;
1) disable javascript in the browser,
2) don't use the browser,
3) improve the ability to disperse heat from the CPU.
For #3, you may note that when it gets hot, it is pretty localized to the corner of the device up near the power button. An easy solution to distribute heat better might be something simple, like adding a layer of copper foil to the inside of the back cover. The thicker the copper foil the better. Copper is very good at conducting heat, so this would spread the heat around over the entire area covered by that foil. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Copper-Foil...nductive-Adhesive-Ship-from-USA-/162018486132
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Yeah, they do get hot...and the browser is the problem, I agree...however, I think they are not the main reason...there is something wrong with low memory or maybe some apps...
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I also found chrome was slow starting up, switching tabs etc. Found that logging out of my Google account in chrome improved this. Seems that synching tabs etc triggers the pause. This might be an acceptable workaround for some but I appreciate it isn't a great fix if you want to use that feature. Actually I'm not bothered as I think Google know too much anyway. �� But the underlying problem is this tablet... I don't have this problem on my phone.
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Haha, I agree...google already knows a lot!..thanks
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Yeah, they do get hot...and the browser is the problem, I agree...however, I think they are not the main reason...there is something wrong with low memory or maybe some apps...
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I don't agree with that.
We use our N9's *all of the time*, and there is never any perceptible slowdown. Possibly with the exception of straining them with web browsers, but web browsers are... poopy... on EVERY platform and device, so that doesn't really stand out. Typically just minimize the use of web browsers and all is well.
Web browsers were good in 1996 when they were simple things to display an html website. Since then, they've added all kinds of useless crap to them that bloat them out, hog up tons of memory, and just generally make them into a useless waste of space.
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I don't agree with that.
We use our N9's *all of the time*, and there is never any perceptible slowdown. Possibly with the exception of straining them with web browsers, but web browsers are... poopy... on EVERY platform and device, so that doesn't really stand out. Typically just minimize the use of web browsers and all is well.
Web browsers were good in 1996 when they were simple things to display an html website. Since then, they've added all kinds of useless crap to them that bloat them out, hog up tons of memory, and just generally make them into a useless waste of space.
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I know..but everyone knows that N9 should be faster!...
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Update:
I think I have kind of find the problem of low speed of my Nexus 9...I uninstalled an app that was for weather prediction and from that time on my Nexus 9 is very fast and responsive...No problem so far. I also uninstalled some other apps alogaide that which I was never using them,so I am not sure if the weather app was exactly the reason of the slow downs...but the other apps where just some games or some simple apps....well, I hope this information helps! Let me know your idea. Thanks everyone
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