Will the Evo3d do data & talk at the same time (similar to thunderbird)? - not on 4g?
Hi,
I heard that the Thunderbird from verizon can do voice & data at the same time over 3g. Is that the case with the Evo3d?
Thanks,
Rich
RichTJ99 said:
Hi,
I heard that the Thunderbird from verizon can do voice & data at the same time over 3g. Is that the case with the Evo3d?
Thanks,
Rich
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only if sprint evolves to svdo
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Is that something that is being rolled out?
No, I think he meant the Thunderbolt and no, there won't be talk and web at the same time. Sprints network won't allow it.
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user7618 said:
No, I think he meant the Thunderbolt and no, there won't be talk and web at the same time. Sprints network won't allow it.
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ah that sucks i thought we could do that while talking on the phone..
adrian_nene16 said:
ah that sucks i thought we could do that while talking on the phone..
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The only ones I know that can is AT&T.
user7618 said:
The only ones I know that can is AT&T.
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Pretty sure it's a GSM thing... Tmo also...
Tmo can too, its a gsm thing, the bolt can do it bc it has a sim card. Idk if it can do it on 3g tho
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Eat it iPhone said:
Tmo can too, its a gsm thing, the bolt can do it bc it has a sim card. Idk if it can do it on 3g tho
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The thunderbolt having a sim card is for lte only and has nothing to do with being able to do data and voice at the same time when only on 3g. The thunderbolt utilizes svdo technology on verizons cdma network which allows voice and data simultaneously on a cdma network. Sprint is fully capable of implementing the same tech but will they is the magical question.
Never said the sim card allowed 3g n voice, its the reason it can LTE and voice. I followed that by stating Idk if it can do 3g n voice
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why are people say the evo 3d cant/wont when the evo can?
The Thunderbolt can do simultaneous voice/data over 3G (SVDO). From what I've read it has one of the first qualcomm processors that allows this with CDMA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994994&highlight=svdo
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1695462-Svdo
I think the question is whether the Evo 3D's processor is SVDO-capable and also if Sprint/HTC also enabled SVDO through software. popular nobody can probably chime in with more insight.
I've also read that the Evo Shift's processor can do SVDO but it is not enabled for whatever reason.
Because the Evo can't. You might want to try that some time.
jersey221 said:
why are people say the evo 3d cant/wont when the evo can?
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Not trying to be rude but what part of "while not on 4g" don't you understand?
wintrxtrem said:
The Thunderbolt can do simultaneous voice/data over 3G (SVDO). From what I've read it has one of the first qualcomm processors that allows this with CDMA.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=994994&highlight=svdo
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1695462-Svdo
I think the question is whether the Evo 3D's processor is SVDO-capable and also if Sprint/HTC also enabled SVDO through software. popular nobody can probably chime in with more insight.
I've also read that the Evo Shift's processor can do SVDO but it is not enabled for whatever reason.
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It has to be supported on the network as well. With verizon, svdo isn't fully supported or available on their entire network but it is available in a lot of markets.
quietstorm said:
It has to be supported on the network as well. With verizon, svdo isn't fully supported or available on their entire network but it is available in a lot of markets.
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According to the Qualcomm slides from the howardforums link I posted "Simultaneous active 1X voice and EV-DO data, sometimes referred to as SVDO, is a new standard-independent device feature that significantly enhances the user experience without impacting the infrastructure side."
Sounds like the network has nothing to do with it.
i can talk and use the internet over wifi on my evo, but i know for sure it wont work over 3g.... thats okay though!
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According to the Qualcomm slides from the howardforums link I posted "Simultaneous active 1X voice and EV-DO data, sometimes referred to as SVDO, is a new standard-independent device feature that significantly enhances the user experience without impacting the infrastructure side."
Sounds like the network has nothing to do with it.
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It still requires internal testing on the network side, but it's all software. Sprint have a few pre-production devices with the SVDO chipset included, but those devices will most likely be available when Network Vision is out. The EVO 3D doesn't include it at this time, and only the software is being worked on right now.
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Sprint could not figure out why my EVO LTE would disconnect from their data network so they gave me another. Can I use NFC to transfer apps and data to the new one?
jeeplj8 said:
Sprint could not figure out why my EVO LTE would disconnect from their data network so they gave me another. Can I use NFC to transfer apps and data to the new one?
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I'm sure there's a way to transfer some data, but it would literally take forever. You could however use the built-in data transfer feature in the setup for the new device. You'll have better luck, but probably not with apps.
Yeah NFC isn't designed for large data transfers at all.
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You would be much better trying wifi direct. Unfortunately I have never used it so I can't give any tips :-(
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I guess I am gullible.
AT&T says their network is the only one that you can talk and surf at the same time.
Not true. I most certainly can on my EvoLte.
If I am the only one that was this ignorant then man do I really feel stupid.
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They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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droiddawg said:
I find it fun to show my AT&T rep (i work @ best buy mobile) but then she shows me a speed test (just HSPA+ in the area for AT&T but there is Sprint LTE in the neighborhood but not in the building). lol
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Lol. I did a speed test brawl with my mom's iPhone 5 on 4G at&t and mine wy evo lte. She had 40mbps or something like that. Mine topped at 350kbps. Hahaha. 3G speeds are great in Minnesota... 4G LTE doesn't really exist here.
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Its called svdo and its very old news.
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Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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stanglifemike said:
Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Sounds great!
stanglifemike said:
Well I've hit 36mbps here at my house on Sprint LTE!! Not sure how AT&T compares as I don't know anyone with AT&T, but with that said, I'm assuming they aren't that great in my area.
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Great speed. In NYC, where LTE is available, I get something around 3-4mbps down, about 4 up. Maybe because NYC is not officially launched and they are still testing things.
Meanee said:
They advertise it typically on their iPhone commercials, and that was certainly true before iPhone 5.
All GSM networks can talk and surf at the same time. All networks can talk and surf if backed up by data network (LTE/wimax or WiFi). But CDMA networks such as Verizon and Sprint, without backup data connection, it's Evo LTE and maybe Droid DNA are the only phones that can talk and surf at the same time.
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Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
themuffinman said:
Not quite true, did you know that the iphone 5 on sprint/verizon can't do voice and data at the same time even while on lte? Also, did you know that the evo lte, gs3, viper 4g can also do voice and data simultaneously over 3g and not just lte? Like someone else said, its called svdo. Not every lte phone is capable of svdo but there are a few that are and what determines svdo capabilities is the chip/radio design in the phone and not on the network side.
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So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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I have and do quite often talk and use data at the same time on Sprints 3G signal on my EVO LTE. It does work.
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stanglifemike said:
So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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franky_402 said:
The iphone on att has been able to talk and surf at the same time because thats how gsm works. For a cdma phone to do talk and surf at the same time u need a dedicated internet source or an svdo radio installed in the phone. My guess is apples proprietary hw wouldnt work with an svdo radio on sprint/verizon. Or they just simply didnt want to include it.
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Cool. Thanks. Yea, I knew that the iphone on AT&T has been capable of this for a while now. I thought that all GSM networks were capable of this. After reading themuffinman's post, I thought he was saying that it was all up to the phone itself and didn't rely on the network at all. That would mean that a GSM network wasn't always capable of doing this, but if the phone was capable THEN it was possible. After reading your post, then re-reading his post; I think what he was saying is that CDMA networks couldn't do this if the phone isn't made capable, and not that GSM networks couldn't if the phone wasn't capable. Now that makes sense to me, and is how I've always thought that it worked.
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stanglifemike said:
So, if possible, why wouldn't Apple install the chip/radio possible of doing simultaneous voice and data on the Verizon and Sprint versions of all the iPhones since they did on all of the AT&T versions? Seems like a no-brainer for Apple to do that, and make their iPhone stand out amongst all other phones. Also, why only do it for AT&T versions and not Sprint and Verizon? Just seems like a stupid business/marketing decision Apple made, if it is possible and they just chose not to...
Also, so the GS3 can do simultaneous voice and data over 3G on all of the carriers that it's offered on? That's very interesting, because I had no idea! I thought that it was something only possible on newer Android phones when connected to LTE. I have never known that it has been possible for a while on Android with the right chip/radio. Why wouldn't manufacturers do this sooner!? Why did multiple manufacturers suddenly decide to do this to their phones around the same time? Just seems crazy to me! If I was HTC, I would have been putting this chip/radio in for a while now, as something to make them stand out against other Android phones! Seems like a very obvious marketing strategy!!
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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I forget who but I just laugh at the one who doesn't understand why apple wouldn't do it for all phones, its bad marketing.
HELLO its apple after all lol
Not being mean, please don't take it that way, just saying
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IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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moses2303 said:
IMO it's because apple likes to leave things out so they can put them in the next version. That way they can tout it as a 'new' feature (new to them at least) and the sheep will buy in.
Remember how the original Iphone didn't have 3g?
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This probably wasn't so much an Apple decision as it was an AT&T decision. AT&T has been hit hard ever since they lost the iPhone exclusivity in the states, they want to milk it for all its worth. Apple doesn't do the "leave a feature out" bit on purpose.
The original iPhone did not have 3G because 3G wasn't nearly as ubiquitous as it is now. Well, I say "as it is now" but then I look at my phone right now and I see that I'm on 1X anyway. Not many people even realize that when the first iPhone came out, smartphones weren't seen as the multi-purpose machines that they are now. Hell, the first few revisions of iOS weren't even designed with the idea of third-party apps at all. We've come a long way since then.
We could also be called "sheep" as well, you know, we keep buying into more and more powerful Android phones with insane processors and ridiculous GPUs but it wasn't until Android 4.2 that the UI is as consistently 60FPS-smooth as an iPhone that has half (if not less) the processing power. Just saying, you should keep an open unbiased mind, that's what separates you from the fanboy-lusting Android people who froth at the mouth when Apple is mentioned and mature, logical, and reasonable adults. (not accusing anyone of the former)
Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Afaik all iPhones are identical internally across all carriers regardless of gsm/cdma...only reason a att iPhone won't work on sprint is bc sprint won't allow it ...they won't even allow an unlocked phone on the network even though it is perfectly capable of it ..
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Well, due to the nature of CDMA and ESNs, you can't actually "unlock" a CDMA phone (unless someone would like to correct me).
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Because the Qualcomm chip that enables svdo on cdma networks wasn't out yet. It made its first appearance on the LG Viper 4G. Once the chip became available only then could manufacturers add it on. Like Evo lte and GS3. You see how Samsung decided to go with their Exynos quadcore in the Note 2 and because of it unlike the S3 we have no svdo.
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Not entirely true there.... Chips were out that could support it before the Viper...
Hence the Thunderbolt had it with the addition of an extra modem on board on the MDM9600, which was used for evdo data, and let the MSM8655 handle the 1x cdma voice connection....bringing you svdo... Now sprint had no need for the extra MDM chip like Verizon did back then as its main purpose was for LTE connectivity... Not worth adding the extra modem back then just for svdo...
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Note: this question is out of scope when it comes to WiFi calling, it also assumes your not on WiFi as all.
I know that with GSM (and many modern CDMA phones as well) you can talk and surf the web at the same time, but I've noticed that with this phone I loose data connection as soon as I start a call. Anyone else experiencing this as well?
I'm fully stock, no customizations.
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Um...? I just called my work phone and as you can see I'm still downloading data. My 4G works just fine. Now I don't think 4G LTE stays there. I can try again when I get home since I know I have LTE over there.
But if 4G LTE ever turns off, 4G (HSPA or 3G) turns on. I'm also running a custom ROM. I don't think that has anything to do with it, though.
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Note: this question is out of scope when it comes to WiFi calling, it also assumes your not on WiFi as all.
I know that with GSM (and many modern CDMA phones as well) you can talk and surf the web at the same time, but I've noticed that with this phone I loose data connection as soon as I start a call. Anyone else experiencing this as well?
I'm fully stock, no customizations.
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It is a characteristic of 3G that it won't do talk and data at the same time. I'm not familiar with Sprint, so I don't know how to characterize that service.
I have the HTC EVO V 3D 4G. I ONLY use the phone for tethering purposes, reason is the wifi in my barracks is garbage, and using the 4G from the phone is much better. This is my old phone, i recently have purchased the Desire 601 for my daily use phone. So what i want to know is, is there a rom, or mods i can do to improve signal and speed? Somehow getting lower ping times would be helpful also for gaming. The phone wont be using for calling, or anything like that. Only for data through USB tethering. -Thank you.
As much as I know, no, it isn't.
There are applications on google play that "improve data connection, speed, etc" but I'm sure you won't get anything from them, they're partially fake.