So i got a note 3, hoping to have a sharper screen than my Galaxy S3, boy was i wrong! Does anyone else see that when zooming in or even just viewing pictures in the gallery (not even ones taken with camera) they come up looking low quality? Almost blotchy? I go to look at the same exact picture on my s3 and on my laptop and oh man the s3 and laptop beat out the Note 3 by miles. The pictures are crystal clear on the s3 and laptop....
does anyone else have this issue? Know what im talking about? Is there a fix?
Are you high? I had the S3 a while back and this display is far superior in color and detail...
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Duce HD2 said:
Are you high? I had the S3 a while back and this display is far superior in color and detail...
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im thinking it has to do with the fact that these screens use the "diamond" type of pixels or something. The way it displays image quality is just awful (not with all images, but a lot of downloaded pictures from the internet. Things id like to set as wallpaper etc. They look great on the s3 and laptop, but terrible, blotchy and blocky on the note 3)
anyone??
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anyone??
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I've gone from using my 1080p laptop, old S3, and ONe X and by far the Note 3's quality blows them all out of the water... Not only is the pixel density super high but the quality of display is flat out the best their is. This is objectively and factually speaking of course.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note3_ShootOut_1.htm
Also, make sure the source your downloading form is high quality stuff. The picture needs to be at least 1920x1080 to take advantage of all those pixels. Anything less the phone will stretch out...
As far is the 'diamond pixel' arrangement, you are probably referring to the pentile matrix that the Note 3 uses. There are some benefits to this style, versus RGB that is more commonly used, but I don't particularly like it. The problem is that it effectively uses less pixels - well, technically subpixels - than 'normal'. If you compare a Galaxy S3 screen to a contemporary's screen, like the One X, you'll see how much clearer the One X screen looks.
HOWEVER
With the standard now being 1080P screens, pentile screens look really, really good. After my note 1, I thought I'd never get a pentile screen again, but with the pixel density being so high with 1080P, there is essentially no graininess with the screen on my Note 3.
You'll see that many phone sites and reviews list the note 3's screen as one of the best, highest quality displays despite being pentile. In fact, my wife's LG G2 has perhaps THE best mobile phone screen (SLCD3), it doesn't look all that much better than my note 3, IMO.
Also, your Galaxy S3 (and S4 for that matter) is a Pentile screen with LOWER resolution, so my guess is that it's not that screen but perhaps the pictures that you are viewing. Are the pictures exactly the same as far as resolution and compression? I have yet to see a blurry grainy picture on my Note 3 that looked clear on another phone.
The note 3 screen is much much better than the S3 screen, and they use the same tech. Unless you are using a microscope...
chompone said:
As far is the 'diamond pixel' arrangement, you are probably referring to the pentile matrix that the Note 3 uses. There are some benefits to this style, versus RGB that is more commonly used, but I don't particularly like it. The problem is that it effectively uses less pixels - well, technically subpixels - than 'normal'. If you compare a Galaxy S3 screen to a contemporary's screen, like the One X, you'll see how much clearer the One X screen looks.
HOWEVER
With the standard now being 1080P screens, pentile screens look really, really good. After my note 1, I thought I'd never get a pentile screen again, but with the pixel density being so high with 1080P, there is essentially no graininess with the screen on my Note 3.
You'll see that many phone sites and reviews list the note 3's screen as one of the best, highest quality displays despite being pentile. In fact, my wife's LG G2 has perhaps THE best mobile phone screen (SLCD3), it doesn't look all that much better than my note 3, IMO.
Also, your Galaxy S3 (and S4 for that matter) is a Pentile screen with LOWER resolution, so my guess is that it's not that screen but perhaps the pictures that you are viewing. Are the pictures exactly the same as far as resolution and compression? I have yet to see a blurry grainy picture on my Note 3 that looked clear on another phone.
The note 3 screen is much much better than the S3 screen, and they use the same tech. Unless you are using a microscope...
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same pictures, same files, it just looks like the phone is rendering the image and it is doing it wrong.
ok so let me attempt at making an analogy type of thing. When theres a low resolution image and you zoon in,normally it gets all blocky and distorted yes? Sometimes thing dont go blocky, they go blurry and almost have that "oil painted" look when zoomed in too far. That very look is how my note 3 is handling some images without even zooming in. whereas on my s3, they were crystal clear, and on the laptop they were as well. On my laptop i can see specific lines and details in the image that dont even show with my note 3 because of the way the image is being displayed in a awful manner. its almost as if certain parts of the image are blurry and blotchy. But only on the note 3 screen. (and no, its not that part of the screen, cause of course everything else like play store looks normal and gorgeous) so i think im just upset in how the note 3 is handling image processing.
aplacetorest said:
same pictures, same files, it just looks like the phone is rendering the image and it is doing it wrong.
ok so let me attempt at making an analogy type of thing. When theres a low resolution image and you zoon in,normally it gets all blocky and distorted yes? Sometimes thing dont go blocky, they go blurry and almost have that "oil painted" look when zoomed in too far. That very look is how my note 3 is handling some images without even zooming in. whereas on my s3, they were crystal clear, and on the laptop they were as well. On my laptop i can see specific lines and details in the image that dont even show with my note 3 because of the way the image is being displayed in a awful manner. its almost as if certain parts of the image are blurry and blotchy. But only on the note 3 screen. (and no, its not that part of the screen, cause of course everything else like play store looks normal and gorgeous) so i think im just upset in how the note 3 is handling image processing.
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Perhaps go compare the same photo at a Sprint store (or any other retailer).
I've looked close up on hundreds of original res photos between my laptop, Nexus 7 2013, and this phone, with the laptop and the phone at 1080p, and the phone looks perfect. I used for just this question a photo I threw in my Dropbox account, and zoomed in close.
Perhaps you've got a bad phone. If so, you'll be able to return it.
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Perhaps go compare the same photo at a Sprint store (or any other retailer).
I've looked close up on hundreds of original res photos between my laptop, Nexus 7 2013, and this phone, with the laptop and the phone at 1080p, and the phone looks perfect. I used for just this question a photo I threw in my Dropbox account, and zoomed in close.
Perhaps you've got a bad phone. If so, you'll be able to return it.
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im going to screenshot to compare and show you guys so no one thinks im crazy lol
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im going to screenshot to compare and show you guys so no one thinks im crazy lol
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Ok so heres a comparison. A good picture to show details indeed. Tattoo quality etc. Notice on the note how minor details get "blurred" and distorted. and thats zoomed in. The same zoom was applied to the one on the laptop. And on the S3 it looks just like the laptop
The Note 3 processes images differently, and i hate it. See what i mean by low image quality?
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Ok so heres a comparison. A good picture to show details indeed. Tattoo quality etc. Notice on the note how minor details get "blurred" and distorted. and thats zoomed in. The same zoom was applied to the one on the laptop. And on the S3 it looks just like the laptop
The Note 3 processes images differently, and i hate it. See what i mean by low image quality?
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no one has anything to say about that? Same picture, same zoom, same everything. Just different device. and i gotta say, im really disappointed in the note 3 pulling that crap
I believe you are describing something that bothers you (histrionics in the thread title notwithstanding), and have shown one example to convey your frustration to others (your concerns are valid, in my opinion). This may not be the best route, as most love this screen. Furthermore, the issue you have is far from simple; the realm of screen resolution, graphics processing, pixel rendering, color accuracy, &c is a highly complex system. Change just one variable in the controlled environment (file viewer, for example), and everything else changes.
Let us try another route. Here is a photo, in its original resolution (10MB file size), taken with the Canon EOS 70D, from the site DPReview.com,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/masters.ga...813603&Signature=pmyXwtQ2d4TtXROo9/Q2uwfH69w=
I suggest that folks look at this on their own from different devices, draw their own inferences, and perhaps provide some feedback.
I just looked at that photo from Chrome on my Nexus 7 2013 and this phone (color set to movie mode). I think that the fine details in the hair, wrinkles in the guy's face, the wings on the purple costume, all look spectacular, with less matting and moire, from the GN3. The backlight on the Nexus does lend for a different viewing experience, but as far as native compression on that photo, I am not seeing it on this phone at all.
Here's another photo, just for kicks (macro shot),
https://s3.amazonaws.com/masters.ga...823691&Signature=1qsPty4pho4xKLglvILtUNJWENA=
After looking at the flower, especially the water drops on the far right petals, I'm completely happy with the fine details on this screen. It's pretty amazing.
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You would notice more distortion on a higher screen resolution and bigger screen. A better comparison would be done with two devices with at least the same exact resolution. N3 and S4
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You would notice more distortion on a higher screen resolution and bigger screen. A better comparison would be done with two devices with at least the same exact resolution. N3 and S4
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Agreed. I believe that if you look at those two photos to which I linked from your Note 3, they'll look pretty dang good. I see none of the flattening of fine detail that the OP noticed. At full size, they look pitch-perfect. The pics posted earlier seem like some severe lossy compression is going on, either from within the viewer, or something is wrong with the GPU.
Also, from what I've read, both the SIII and Note 3 use RGB pentile pixel arrays, with the Note 3 providing higher resolution than the SIII.
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You guys can bash me if you want. OP if you want great pics take a DSLR. Ten years ago cell phones could barely text. It is after all a cell phone first. If you don't like it get rid of it. I'm more than happy with my Note 3.
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I believe you are describing something that bothers you (histrionics in the thread title notwithstanding), and have shown one example to convey your frustration to others (your concerns are valid, in my opinion). This may not be the best route, as most love this screen. Furthermore, the issue you have is far from simple; the realm of screen resolution, graphics processing, pixel rendering, color accuracy, &c is a highly complex system. Change just one variable in the controlled environment (file viewer, for example), and everything else changes.
Let us try another route. Here is a photo, in its original resolution (10MB file size), taken with the Canon EOS 70D, from the site DPReview.com,
https://s3.amazonaws.com/masters.ga...813603&Signature=pmyXwtQ2d4TtXROo9/Q2uwfH69w=
I suggest that folks look at this on their own from different devices, draw their own inferences, and perhaps provide some feedback.
I just looked at that photo from Chrome on my Nexus 7 2013 and this phone (color set to movie mode). I think that the fine details in the hair, wrinkles in the guy's face, the wings on the purple costume, all look spectacular, with less matting and moire, from the GN3. The backlight on the Nexus does lend for a different viewing experience, but as far as native compression on that photo, I am not seeing it on this phone at all.
Here's another photo, just for kicks (macro shot),
https://s3.amazonaws.com/masters.ga...823691&Signature=1qsPty4pho4xKLglvILtUNJWENA=
After looking at the flower, especially the water drops on the far right petals, I'm completely happy with the fine details on this screen. It's pretty amazing.
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I know what everyone is saying. Like I understand what you guys are saying. But I'm asking WHY an older device (my s3) can handle showing images sharper, clearer, and better. It doesn't make sense to me. How the exact same file, can look like crap on a brand new note 3, and look gorgeous on my S3 and laptop. It's not just this image. It's pretty much every image that isn't the exact resolution of the screen. And it's annoying. I expected more.
Can anyone explain to me, (as shown in my screenshot comparison) why images on my note 3 are looking like that, versus my s3 and laptop? That's all im looking for here. An answer as to why the note 3 can't handle proper image processing.
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I know what everyone is saying. Like I understand what you guys are saying. But I'm asking WHY an older device (my s3) can handle showing images sharper, clearer, and better. It doesn't make sense to me. How the exact same file, can look like crap on a brand new note 3, and look gorgeous on my S3 and laptop. It's not just this image. It's pretty much every image that isn't the exact resolution of the screen. And it's annoying. I expected more.
Can anyone explain to me, (as shown in my screenshot comparison) why images on my note 3 are looking like that, versus my s3 and laptop? That's all im looking for here. An answer as to why the note 3 can't handle proper image processing.
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Download this file to both devices, view it from the gallery in landscape mode, zoom in on just the petals so that the right ones with the water drops fill your screen, post each here. Just the SIII and Note 3, not the laptop. For the Note 3, I suggest from display settings choose screen mode as movie, select save, and deselect auto adjust screen tone. Shot below is from my Note 3.
To the OP:
It could very well be that the gallery version in our notes is different to that of the S3.
Try different gallery apps. One in particular that I like most is QuickPic. To me its faster and renders pictures a bit better than the stock Galaxy gallery apps.
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To the OP:
It could very well be that the gallery version in our notes is different to that of the S3.
Try different gallery apps. One in particular that I like most is QuickPic. To me its faster and renders pictures a bit better than the stock Galaxy gallery apps.
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Agreed, QuickPic is awesome. Also the viewer included with ES File Explorer, the AOSP gallery included with many of the roms on this site, and others are excellent alternatives.
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Agreed, QuickPic is awesome. Also the viewer included with ES File Explorer, the AOSP gallery included with many of the roms on this site, and others are excellent alternatives.
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Yeah im an avid QuickPic user, but no matter the gallery i use, the images still show like they do as i posted. Even 1920x1080 pictures. I can make another comparison shot if everyone likes. I just dont understand it.
Did i get a bad phone? Or is this just how its handled on the note 3?
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I was hoping to have a better camera overall, but according to this
http://www.galaxys2x.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-camera-samples-revealed-compared-to-galaxy-s2-photos/
the aperture of the S3 is only 2.6 while HOX has the best aperture of 2.0.
The only improved ofer the S2 (2.65) but such a tiny amount... I wonder why.
Thats disappointing. Hopefully there are great optics.
I understand that aperture involves the amount of light only but I am not seeing much info to determine that the camera is much better.
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I was hoping to have a better or on par camera s the HTC One, which takes great photos, but according to this
http://www.galaxys2x.com/samsung-galaxy-s3-camera-samples-revealed-compared-to-galaxy-s2-photos/
the aperture of the S3 is only 2.6 while HOX has the best aperture of 2.0.
The only improved ofer the S2 (2.65) but such a tiny amount... I wonder why.
Thats disappointing. Hopefully there are great optics.
I understand that aperture involves the amount of light only but I am not seeing much info to determine that the camera is much better.
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Well over the SGS2 there is hardly any shutter lag. It takes it almost instantly so less blurry pictures.
Honestly, my HOX doesn't take that great of pictures anyways. The One S barely does better. These phones aren't SLR replacers.
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Well over the SGS2 there is hardly any shutter lag. It takes it almost instantly so less blurry pictures.
Honestly, my HOX doesn't take that great of pictures anyways. The One S barely does better. These phones aren't SLR replacers.
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The speed of the photos doesnt mean quality and we arent talking about SLR replacers but good camera phones. The 4s takes great photos, and from what I have seen the HTC One phones do as well, and I assume its because of the camera hardware.
You would think Samsung, going for the BEST phone on the market, would also consider the camera too.
I will be getting the s3 when it comes out but this just makes me consider more things too.
(If the Xperia GX is released around the same time, I would trade the s3 for it)
OMG these numbers and decimals mean nothing. There are actual photos and comparisons between the One X and S III. They said my clunker of a car was rated 40mph too, but the real world doesn't move at the speed of spec sheets.
GSMarena did a test that shows the S3 is better than the HTC. The sensor in the S3 is better than the One X or S2, as is the software.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s_iii_vs_htc_one_x-review-759p5.php
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The speed of the photos doesnt mean quality and we arent talking about SLR replacers but good camera phones. The 4s takes great photos, and from what I have seen the HTC One phones do as well, and I assume its because of the camera hardware.
You would think Samsung, going for the BEST phone on the market, would also consider the camera too.
I will be getting the s3 when it comes out but this just makes me consider more things too.
(If the Xperia GX is released around the same time, I would trade the s3 for it)
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I've seen comparison shots, and honestly the SGS3 outperformed the SGS2 in a lot of instances. They maybe subjective. Who knows. All I know is that it does a good job and it gets the job done well.
Here's the comparisons to the 4S as well. The 4S is a tiny bit better, and SGS3's video recording beats the SGS2, 4S and HOX.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038/page/3
There are perks, there is no phone camera on android or apple that has all the perks and benefits.
Also feel free to compare all phone cameras to each other using this tool:
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=1&idPhone1=4238&idPhone2=3621&idPhone3=4212
I already have the 4S, SGS2 and SGS3 set up for you on there. If the SGS3 takes either pictures as good or better than a SGS2 with a butter shutter then that is improvement in my book.
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I've seen comparison shots, and honestly the SGS3 outperformed the SGS2 in a lot of instances. They maybe subjective. Who knows. All I know is that it does a good job and it gets the job done well.
Here's the comparisons to the 4S as well. The 4S is a tiny bit better, and SGS3's video recording beats the SGS2, 4S and HOX.
http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Samsung-Galaxy-S-III-vs-Apple-iPhone-4S_id3038/page/3
There are perks, there is no phone camera on android or apple that has all the perks and benefits.
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I dont see why the S3 wouldnt outperform the S2. Im not saying its not a better camera than the s2, but not by much. And I dont see why the s3 wouldnt blow the 4s, a dated phone, out of the water as well. But thats not the case
as far as the GSMarena comparison shots - not too applicable since the lighting was different in them. Obviously the shot by the s3 of the building in a sunny environment looks better than the HTC in a seemingly overcast environment
The windmill and low light tests favour the HTC as well
People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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I dont see why the S3 wouldnt outperform the S2. Im not saying its not a better camera than the s2, but not by much. And I dont see why the s3 wouldnt blow the 4s, a dated phone, out of the water as well. But thats not the case
as far as the GSMarena comparison shots - not too applicable since the lighting was different in them. Obviously the shot by the s3 of the building in a sunny environment looks better than the HTC in a seemingly overcast environment
The windmill and low light tests favour the HTC as well
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I did not post the GSMarena screen shots to you, I posted the 4S and SGS3 taking photos the same day and same time.
The GSMArena once I posted to you were them taking pictures of charts in a controlled environment so all the phones had the same exposure. The contrast in the pictures of the charts has the 4S producing blacks like dark black-reds while the SGS3 is pretty dark.
It seems you're set on your opinion on the matter though so cheers to you.
In some of the S3 pictures on the GSMarena S3 v iP4s test its clear the lens is dirty. Inconsistent focus within the same picture indicated a dirty lens.
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People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
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Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
rovex said:
People really do get hung-up on the stupidest things. NO phone is that great for pictures, the S3 is one of the best, thats quite enough. Who cares about the iPhone? Most isheep take pictures and ruin them with instagram anyway so what does it matter? If you want the 5% better pictures the iPhone might take in some situations go buy one.
What matters is that the S3 takes sharp images and uses low amounts of post processing. Any further shortcomings can be fixed easily with a photo editor. the HOX takes somewhat blurry images that have way to much post processing, this is much harder to correct, if it can be at all.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken with the iP4s.
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I dont see how I am getting hung up on anything stupid, I am having a discussion about a feature of the phone...
No phone is great for pictures? I have taken some great photos with my 5mp Atrix. Phones can take some great photos, thats a fact. Thats not the discussion though.
You shouldnt have to use a photo editor to fix the photos.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken on Canon 60d's as well, thats not the point.
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I did not post the GSMarena screen shots to you, I posted the 4S and SGS3 taking photos the same day and same time.
The GSMArena once I posted to you were them taking pictures of charts in a controlled environment so all the phones had the same exposure. The contrast in the pictures of the charts has the 4S producing blacks like dark black-reds while the SGS3 is pretty dark.
It seems you're set on your opinion on the matter though so cheers to you.
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for the GSM arena comments, I was referring to the other post, not yours. The comparisons you posted were very good. My issue is that, I see an almost equal amount of instances where the 4s is better in some and the s3 is better in others... which should not be the case. The s3 should be much better.
I wonder if this just speaks about how much better the i5 photos will be too.
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
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I notice the noise. Thats also zoomed into the photo. Why would we be zooming into photos like that anyway? Also those crops are not even in the exact same conditions (judging by the original thumbnails in the top left, pretty different lighting and angle)
Can I see the photos you took on the HTC?
Wond3r said:
I dont see how I am getting hung up on anything stupid, I am having a discussion about a feature of the phone...
No phone is great for pictures? I have taken some great photos with my 5mp Atrix. Phones can take some great photos, thats a fact. Thats not the discussion though.
You shouldnt have to use a photo editor to fix the photos.
I have seen plenty of bad pictures taken on Canon 60d's as well, thats not the point.
for the GSM arena comments, I was referring to the other post, not yours. The comparisons you posted were very good. My issue is that, I see an almost equal amount of instances where the 4s is better in some and the s3 is better in others... which should not be the case. The s3 should be much better.
I wonder if this just speaks about how much better the i5 photos will be too.
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
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I notice the noise. Thats also zoomed into the photo. Why would we be zooming into photos like that anyway?
Can I see the photos you took on the HTC?
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I have pictures of my dogs with noticeable noise from my HOX. I don't want to share them due to them being my private photos and my GF is in them.
Again, I have set this up for you to compare the HOX and SGS3. It's already scaled out for you to take a look at the picture not so zoomed in. look over teh lady's face and notice the noise coming from the HOX. This is a controlled environment with controlled lighting.
http://www.gsmarena.com/piccmp.php3?idType=2&idPhone1=4238&idPhone2=4320&idPhone3=3621
Again there is no jack of all trades master of all.
SlimJ87D said:
Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
What do you mean what I see and what I'm talking about?
Look at anything that you or other people have posted to SEE.
And what I am talking about is SIMPLE ... This phone is supposed to be the BEST OF THE BEST as far as I take it.. and its NOT. Now I am very impressed by its other hardware and specs but how can anyone HONESTLY argue with me and say that they are very pleased with the advancements they have made in the camera. Its simply NOT TRUE that there are major advancements in photo quality.
edit: I looked at your edit and the womans face and you are right. (once again, its ZOOMED IN though) BUT.... look at the s2. Perfect example youve shown. Is there a huge improvement? No
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So, you want the S3 to be the best at everything all the time? Not going to happen. No device is ever the best at everything. The S3 has the best video, that's proven, the stills are very good to excellent for a phone and the software allows for the most features of any phone. Is that not good enough?
Ive seen pictures from a Nokia N95 8GB that beats all of the pictures from any phone out right now. Half of it is luck, phones have strengths and weaknesses, lets also not forget that software updates can improve image quality. More mature devices have an advantage in that regard.
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SlimJ87D said:
Can you actually show us what you see and what you're talking about? The link you posted doesn't have any kind of working images. I haven't seen any real evidence or examples from you. Do you have comparison shots and a source that you can share with us to prove your point? Because everything otherwise is just a opinion or is subjective till proven.
What do you mean what I see and what I'm talking about?
Look at anything that you or other people have posted to SEE.
And what I am talking about is SIMPLE ... This phone is supposed to be the BEST OF THE BEST as far as I take it.. and its NOT. Now I am very impressed by its other hardware and specs but how can anyone HONESTLY argue with me and say that they are very pleased with the advancements they have made in the camera. Its simply NOT TRUE that there are major advancements in photo quality.
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That was not your initial point...
"I was hoping to have a better or on par camera s the HTC One, which takes great photos, but according to this"
That was your initial point from the OP and this thread and I've proved that it is at least on par with the One and even the 4S where both went back and forth and have advantages and disadvantages over one another.
My only suggestions is if a camera is really important for you then get the next Sony Android phones with the S4 CPU and 12MP cameras that are going to come out in a few months. That's the only solution I think that will make you happy and satisfied.
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Wond3r said:
SlimJ87D said:
edit: I looked at your edit and the womans face and you are right. (once again, its ZOOMED IN though) BUT.... look at the s2. Perfect example youve shown. Is there a huge improvement? No
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It's not quite zoomed in if you scale it to 2MP. That would be the actual size if the image was taking up your full monitor.
Personally for me, if I don't have to hold absolutely still for 3 seconds to take a good picture as compared to my SGS2 Skyrocket then I think that is a good improvement for me. I've tried to take many pictures that turned out a little blurry. To me the shutter matters just as much as the image quality as it makes taking photos better.
Here is something else I will share with you:
http://mobile-review.com/review/samsung-galaxy-s3-fl-en.shtml
They have tons of comparison shots with the SGS2 and SGS3.
And this is what I was talking about where I saw the SGS3 outperform the SGS2 in certain scenarios.
SGS2:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s3-fl/photo/s2-vs-s3/s2-02.jpg
SGS3:
http://mobile-review.com/review/image/samsung/galaxy-s3-fl/photo/s2-vs-s3/s3-02.jpg
From all the other shots, if I can describe it, the SGS2 kind of has a matte thin film look over its photos while the SGS3 does not. The SGS3 also IMO has better coloring and managed to grab sharper images possibly due to the shutter being better. All in all I am impressed with the SGS3's camera but I didn't have such high expectations for it in the first place.
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On top of that the HOX has a lot of noise in its photos. I've taken photos of my dogs with it and it had some noise noticeable on their brown fur.
Notice the noise. The SGS3 is on the top and the HOX is on the bottom.
Like I said before, there is no phone that has ALL the perks, they all have their problems. I showed the 4S not having the best contrast with blacks, the HOX has noise issues and the SGS3 others have pointed out the cons for it.
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Why don't you provide full size samples, so people could judge for themselves?
Your attempts to catch some "noise" in HTC image is redicolous, because Samsung here has much worse problems.
Here is Galaxy S3
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_020.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
HTC
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_023.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
Wond3r said:
The purpose of a lot of the camera phones now, and the reason they are trying to make the better and better, is to replace the entry level point and shoot cameras on the market. The phone companies are doing a great job of this attempt so far. So I highly disagree with people saying phones take bad photos.
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I agree with you 100% on this. Anyone who says "who cares about the camera on a phone? if you want real pictures, buy a real camera" is stuck in 2005 and needs a punch to the face.
Camera phone technology has progressed to the point that they are can and SHOULD replace standalone point and shoot cameras. That makes camera quality one of the most important features of a phone for many people.
They ARE as good as many point and shoot cams, i had a cheap Fujifilm 12MP unit that took worse pics than my S2 for the most part, but if you spend a bit more then a phone cant compete. However good the sensor and software is they wont have as good lenses, even the ones with premium lenses. The phones are just too thin, they also wont have optical zooms or strong flashes.
The early S3 images we have seen are better than the One X, its not really that close. They largely match the iP4s and the S3 has better video than anyone. Remember this is early software as well, things will get better.
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1orka said:
Why don't you provide full size samples, so people could judge for themselves?
Your attempts to catch some "noise" in HTC image is redicolous, because Samsung here has much worse problems.
Here is Galaxy S3
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_020.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
HTC
http://www.gsmarena.com/showpic.php...camera/gsmarena_023.jpg&idReview=759&idPage=5
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The S3 is better there, although i dont expect you to see it. Firstly the pictures arent taken at the same angle, and the S3 has more distances to focus on from its angle. The HTC has far more post processing errors in its picture, far more noise, less real detail. I notice the lighting is different as well, due to the angle. Whatever point you were trying to prove, you failed.
Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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If you are looking the images on your phone, it's because of the Super AMOLED screen...
It tends to oversaturate colors, thats normal.
But I know that the camera also oversaturate colors a little bit, nothing big, but it does.
JCM800 said:
Id like to ask, does anyone know if there are going to be any tweaks coming out that are for the S3's still's camera?
I personally find that if i'm shooting pics in my garden, that the grass looks luminous green, and over-saturated.
Now, not starting a war here - i sold my 4S to get an S3, but i do find the S3 images a fair bit less realistic than my old iPhone
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there are a tweaks already available for download that enhances the audio and video bitrate as well as added physical buttons for still images...have a search around.
Just change the many camera settings already available on the handset before shooting...
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Change camera setting before a shot..
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i agree that the super AMOLED screen makes the image look over saturated. Looks great on the phone screen but poor once you open the file on a computer. I like to experiment with different settings and then touch up the images in post. just keep in mind that lighting is on your side, you just have to know how to manage the amount of light taken in by the camera
I'm still testing out the features and hope to get a good setting but honestly i find that my photos using my old HTC Sensation were better quality.
Also, i have edited the media_profiles.xml file and increased the bitrate, that is my tweak. anything else would be on the user.
First off anyone claiming iphone 4s photos are more realistic than photos on s3 is telling a few porkies especially if they use Hdr on 4s as that makes iphone pics look as unreal as it gets. Secondly the photos on s3 blow the 4s away regardless of the mythical over saturation of colours.
Take any pics on s3 and ip4s side by side on auto in a variety of situations and I guarantee the iphone pics will be sub standard 99 percent of the time, colour balance or no.
Sgs3 takes as good photos as my cannon powershot 14mp easily.
swift2fly said:
i agree that the super AMOLED screen makes the image look over saturated. Looks great on the phone screen but poor once you open the file on a computer. I like to experiment with different settings and then touch up the images in post. just keep in mind that lighting is on your side, you just have to know how to manage the amount of light taken in by the camera
I'm still testing out the features and hope to get a good setting but honestly i find that my photos using my old HTC Sensation were better quality.
Also, i have edited the media_profiles.xml file and increased the bitrate, that is my tweak. anything else would be on the user.
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Really you think the Sensation took better pictures?
I have a HTC Sensation and the picture quality from this phone is shocking in all but the best daylight conditions, and even then it's no match for the S3 or the S2 for that matter, as for video quality on the Sensation not even gonna go there lol
ixon2001 said:
Really you think the Sensation took better pictures?
I have a HTC Sensation and the picture quality from this phone is shocking in all but the best daylight conditions, and even then it's no match for the S3 or the S2 for that matter, as for video quality on the Sensation not even gonna go there lol
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yea so far. but i need to fully test the camera on the s3. i still prefer using the htc sense camera on the sensation.
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Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
For years, a misconception among most consumers is that the higher the megapixel count, the better quality of images. Actually, the number of megapixels is only one of many factors that determine picture quality, with sensors and image processors each playing a critical role.
The 2.0 micrometer UltraPixel has effectively twice the surface area of the typical 1.4 micrometer pixel found on 8MP solutions from leading competitors and far larger than the 1.1 micrometer pixel on 13MP sensors.
In order to provide the best quality on our camera, we have designed our own HTC ImageChip 2 to perform some of the processing at the hardware level.
Aperture is the width that a camera lens opens when a picture gets taken.
Aperture is measured in f-stops, with the smallest f-stop numbers representing the largest apertures.
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One of the biggest complaints about smartphone cameras has been blurry photos. There are two main reasons for this:
Length of time required to capture an image, resulting in misaligned light streams coming into the sensor.
The physical shaking of the hand while holding the camera or pressing the shutter button.
To address the first issue, HTC's camera is now capable of capturing full size photos in up to 1/48 of a second, compared to 1/30 of a second from other competitors and the HTC One X (2012). This is a significant improvement in shutter speed on a smartphone camera, producing photos and videos that are sharper and clearer in all conditions.
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And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
Yep, the One has a great image sensor for a cellphone. Sure it's pictures wont blow up as big as the S4's pictures, but these 4MP pics look great on my 55 inch G Series Panasonic plasma. I mean how much bigger do you want them? I'm not one to crop my pictures, nor am I one to use a digital zoom. My feet are my zoom (think of using a prime lens). I would like to see HTC remove the AA filter and give us just us the raw images. That would be pretty awesome, and in theory it would really show off what HTC is trying to do.
In the meantime I've been able to get some great shots, and that's good enough for me.
blackangst said:
Theres alot of misrepresentation going around about the One's ultrapixel camera. Fact is, most people dont really understand what a technological breakthrough it really is. HTC published a white paper on it, and its good reading for anyone that is interested. Ive seen people say "Well, its just a suped up 4MP camera". Well, thats not really true. Do you all remember back when Intel released the Core 2 Duo processors? It was at the peak of the mhz war. The higher the mhz the faster the processor, right? Well, no. The Core 2 Duo was a breakthrough in showing its not just about mhz. Intel effectively showed a C2D chip at 2.5mhz was SIGNIFICANTLY faster than a previous 3.7mhz chip. Its all in the archetecture.
So, the link to the white paper is HERE. Its not super technical, but does a great job outlining why the Ultra pixel camera is different, and how its a huge leap in technology from previous cameras. Ive quoted a few notable excerpts from the paper below.
And for those who would like an intro of how aperture works, HERE is a great link.
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Unrelated, Actually it was AMD that showed Intel that Mhz was the wrong way of looking at things. Intel turned the war around when they started thinking like AMD. AMD grabbed a lot of market share during those times. P2-PD years. Now back to the info on great camera tech
(photography geek here)
I applaud HTC's decision to back away from the megapixel war and focus on photosite size and light-gathering capabilities. Cell phones have been capable of taking decent photos in good lighting for some time, but its a rare phone that can take non-blurry, non-noise-laden photos in even most average room lighting. The typical lux ratings of the average living room are astonishingly low, actually -- it's a testament to the design of our eyes that we see so well when most cameras really struggle to gather sufficient light.
Anyway, as I said, I love the direction HTC has gone, although in reality I think they sacrificed too much resolution to reach their goal. 4MP is simply not enough in many scenarios. Go thoroughly read the in depth comparisons on some of the thorough HTC One / Galaxy S4 reviews (such as Anandtech's exhaustive review/comparo) and it becomes obvious: While the One holds a measurable advantage in low-light scenarios, its lack of resolution often negates any benefits that it offers. Given equivalent exposure, competitors' 8-13MP images can be downsampled to match the 4MP max output of the One, generally reducing the effect of visible noise, while offering vastly improved sharpness and details.
And the output from the One in low light, medium-high ISO situations is not nearly as clean or sharp as you would think based on the "Ultrapixel" claims. Any base, entry-model, bare bones point and shoot camera would outperform it in areas of detail, clarity, noise handling and dynamic range.
Still, it's true that the One can absolutely enable shots in extremely low lighting situations that other camera phones simply can't capture at all due to the limitations of their apertures and ISO ceilings. But in average low-light scenarios, the One isn't as far ahead of the competition as you would think after reading that white paper (don't forget, "white paper" is industry code for "scientific sounding paid advertisement").
All this said, I love the One and its camera, flaws and all. The fact that it enables me to get keepers, even if not the best, in situations when other camera phones would simply produce a dark, blurred mess, makes the tradeoff worth it. And since most of my phone photos go to a typical web gallery (i.e. - not huge printed output), the results are acceptable.
In the end, my point is simply that while HTC has gone in an excellent direction, they need to strike a better balance between sensor & photosite size and resolution. Other improvements, such as moving away from plastic lens elements, improved processing algorithms, etc would make up for a lot as well. A 6-8MP HTC One with Apple's sapphire lens elements and a little better image processing (HTC cameras simply struggle to nail colors and sharpness in auto mode, IMHO) would be ideal.
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
I really like what HTC did with the camera but if I had to choose to swap that camera I would swap it with the 13mp on the oppo 5.
seattletecg said:
You're giving too much credit when you are using your core 2 duo analogy.
Yes i would choose a 4mp ultrapixel over a regular 4mp cellphone camera
but not to a 13mp 8mp even 6mp camera.
Point blank with a 4mp HTC One you still have 4mp and any zooming on a picture you take will lead to major blur. Esp if you are taking pictures to read text
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone. As I said in my prev post the oppo 5 camera would be the best thing for me. I think that phone has the best smartphone camera.
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In reality I think it would of been better for a higher mp camera. This was taken with night mode, a lot of the pics I take has noise to it thanks to the 4mp camera that the one has.
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Monk4Life said:
I totally disagree with this. My 8mp Nexus 4 takes crappy shots compared to my HTC one. Zoomed in shots of the same locations still look much better on the One also (I have been comparing the last 3 days). This to me proves that the number of pixel count means absolutely nothing in camera phones at this time.
I read every review online I could find of the cameras comparing the HTC one and GS4, and I was really shocked. The GS4 took some good detailed images but it didn't blow away the HTC One like I thought it would considering it has 9mp more. And in actuality all action shots taken between the two were won by the HTC One as the GS4 camera could not figure out what to focus on. This also proves that camera software makes a big difference.
So judging a camera by pixel count alone and not other factors will really invalidate your theory of bigger equals better as there is a lot more than "pixel size" that makes the difference of a camera phone.
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I don't know how well the nexus 4 camera is. But take pictures with the one with text in the distance and try to see how sharp that text is. I use my note 2 to take pictures of say phone numbers of houses for sale while i'm driving. I do the same with my htc one and I"m not able to make out the text. Also look at pictures on the web of htc one pics and look at pictures with words in the distance. No matter how you look at it its still 4 megapixels
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Great read. Inspired to look at old photos from my GS2, and its f-stop and "bokeh" ability.
Thanks a lot, will be late for work tmw morning
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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This is the starting, watch next year in HTC's next flagship(hopes for the best).
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yes they will get better, next year maybe a 6 ultra pixel or 8 would be the best but maybe years off.
I have to say I am super disappointed with the camera, its the one thing that makes me want the GS4, I am hoping some software mods can help, but I doubt it.
The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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The camera just plain sucks. By far the worst thing about this phone. Good thing I got $ 100 rebate and a free car dock to kinda make up for it.
Ultrapixel is just a word they made up to hide the fact that its a 4 mp camera. The slightly larger sensor isn't doing it any favors. I have an old Sony 4 mp camera that blows this away.
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Yep, its funny I installed Camera FX, and the pictures are 100% better, very clear not all fuzzy. Lol HTC cant make a camera that works better than a generic camera app. lol
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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Zoom with your feet instead of using the digital zoom. I'd prefer the Nokia camera, but this is a close second in my book. I look at pictures on my phone, laptop, and tv. These 4MP pictures look just fine on all three.
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For all you guys debating if the 4mp is good or not, look at the development of DSLRs. I've had people complain about my 10mp 4/3 camera have less mp than their LG but my camera definitely takes a whole lot better pictures.
Sensor size is all I have to say.
One also has an advantage of having an optical image stabilizer which is a whole lot better than digital.
Higher megapixel count is better for cropping. I'm supprised they haven't yet developed cropping zoom, which 4mp of a 13mp is about 3x zoom with no distortion. Also using the mp count would be good for cropped digital stabilization.
4mp is enough for Facebook and other things because Facebook takes 2mp 2048x1xxx on high quality, so even if needed, you can still crop out half the picture without distortion.
My only complaint about the One's camera is that it has a preference for ramping up the iso and using stabilization instead of the great flash in darker pictures.
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FxCamera by Bitcellar Inc. is free from the market and fantastic. It has made every phone cam capture better than stock pics with all the phones and tablets I have used.
For unlocked users, you guys should try a custom rom on 1.29. Increases quality greatly.
veliksam said:
Why didn't HTC just make an 8 or 12 ultra pixel since everyone is saying the 4 makes blurry pictures when you zoom in? Why would HTC put a bad/average sensor in a flagship device? Are they saving the 8 or 12 ultra pixel for the HTC Two when it comes out next year? Can there even be an 8 ultra pixel? I'm just curious. I'm happy with the photos my One takes.
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The problem is in the size of the pixels.
You can only fit so many pixels on a cameraphone, the lens is only so big. So with a lower pixel count, you lose clarity but you have bigger pixels. bigger pixels let in more light which makes the pictures brighter in low lighting conditions. HTC looked at the data and saw that people were using their cameras for:
- selfies
-pictures of food in restaurants
- pictures with friends
- more selfies
-etc etc
and they were uploading them to:
- facebook (which has a ****ty resolution cap i think its 2mp or something)
- instagram (smaller cap then facebook)
-twitter (see above)
so on paper it makes sense for them to go this way. The majority of their customers dont need 13mp, they're never going to use 13mp.
So for what it is, I think they made the right move. That being said, being a 30 year old tech junkie I would have preferred 13mp not for the count but because pictures do look significantly clearer on say the SGS4 compared to the One in normal lighting conditions. But its not something to go up in arms about. At this point, whatever keeps HTC afloat I'm all for it.
the green in the screen looks like light-green, washed-out, something you only see in defect display,
especially when youre coming from a samsung phone,
especially the first time you open your phone and see the color in the apps youre used to in other phones,,
I couldnt help but noticed the same thing and tried to do some tests to see if it's a common problem for Xperia Z ultra, or is it just some of us happend to have the same kind of defect display
of all the tests, here are the most comvincing ones:
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left is the one i took on desktop , right one is the screenshot on phone while playing the same youtube video in youtube app,
clealy the one on phone is more "light-green",
this is the proof that the "light-green" is intended by Sony rather than due to defect in the display, otherwise we would see a darker green like the one on desktop, (cause the screenshots took in-phone are what the hardware drew, rather than what we see from outside/what the screen displayed)
the second one
is a screenshot took in-phone, while displaying a .png pic file, on the left,, compared to what it's like when the same .png file was viewed on my Windows7, on the right.
No difference was found.
I quickly tried another pic that wasnt initially on the phone, prepared by sony,,,
here's the results:
: No difference to be found,
(when comparing i put the 2 pic file in the same folder and used a viewing software to quickly go back and forth between the 2 pics during which the same place of the 2pic was kept at the same place, zoomed by the same level,,,, and found no difference)
then, I copied the official demo video(Xperia HD Landscapes.MP4) to my desktop, screencaptured a frame to compare to the same one played on phone,
here's the result:
the one on the right is what the video looks like when played on my desktop,,,the result doent need anymore of my words.
So the conclusion:
While initially you may find the color , especially in google apps(casue they are the apps with obvious color youre most familiar with), washed-out,
the screen is not defect and can show the color green 100% fine,
it's most likely due to some Sony's weird software tweak,
which happened to all the video the phone plays, where the green is really "light" and feels unpleasantly "washed-out".
I can only hope Sony fix this problem as fast as possible, cause compared to Samsung 's famous oversaturating tweak(actually more due to the "side-effect" of being able to display a wider color gamut), which made almost everything on their phone looked absolutely more stunning and awesome,, Sony's tweak can only be concluded as, considering their long history in the industry and all the hype/triluminous/bravio engine/blahblahblah said in their ads,,,,, the most embarassingly retarded fail I've ever seen by such a giant multinational corporation.
any ideas?
I went from Samsung Galaxy S3 etc to the Sony Xperia Z and Sony Xperia tablet 10.1. There is a difference between the two screens. The screen colours on the tablet are simply stunning and to my taste.
I have just made a return to Samsung and bought the Note 3 and can safely say that I prefer the picture reproduction on the Sony. Different screen technologies produce different colours, light, contrast and definition. To me I see this simply as taste and not a 'fault' in either device.
I prefer the colour pallet of my Xperia tabet 10.1 to the new Note 3. I think we have to understand its a preference. I don't arrive at the same conclusions you do. I prefer what you appear to dislike.
Regards.
Ryland Johnson said:
I went from Samsung Galaxy S3 etc to the Sony Xperia Z and Sony Xperia tablet 10.1. There is a difference between the two screens. The screen colours on the tablet are simply stunning and to my taste.
I have just made a return to Samsung and bought the Note 3 and can safely say that I prefer the picture reproduction on the Sony. Different screen technologies produce different colours, light, contrast and definition. To me I see this simply as taste and not a 'fault' in either device.
I prefer the colour pallet of my Xperia tabet 10.1 to the new Note 3. I think we have to understand its a preference. I don't arrive at the same conclusions you do. I prefer what you appear to dislike.
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It's fine if it's only a tweak in the video playing,, if the green has to be lighter in a coloful video wiht all the other colors to contribute to a better viewing experience,
but the green and red in many apps in the phone are also washed out(doesnt in any way can possibly contribute to any thing except making you feel like looking at a 10 years old LCD with washed out colors)
I admit it really scared me at first, which may be the reason i did all these tests in the first place,,
I believe you cant compare with screenshot, as its just copying digital values of the screen. You will have to capture side by side with a good slr camera (live output) to compare results. I did a bit side by side comparison on some videos in a shop when i wanted to buy. But put off my purchase until i am sure.
KonW said:
the one on the right is what the video looks like when played on my desktop,,,the result doent need anymore of my words.
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Please add some words because I can't really see much difference there?
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Please add some words because I can't really see much difference there?
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here i did painting to help you see the difference:
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I believe you cant compare with screenshot, as its just copying digital values of the screen. You will have to capture side by side with a good slr camera (live output) to compare results. I did a bit side by side comparison on some videos in a shop when i wanted to buy. But put off my purchase until i am sure.
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since screenshot showed us the difference we felt when looking at the display,,,it at least now represents the problem at hand,,
if it doenst, then the problem might be beyond screenshot(exp, quality of the glass above the LCD,etc), then we can use a camera to shoot the difference
KonW said:
since screenshot showed us the difference we felt when looking at the display,,,it at least now represents the problem at hand,,
if it doenst, then the problem might be beyond screenshot(exp, quality of the glass above the LCD,etc), then we can use a camera to shoot the difference
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Yes, if your assumption that the colors are so because of sony preprocessing. I believe screenshot will only show the effect of display preprocessing by the hardware/software but it won't show the end result of the inherent properties (color gamut/ depth, warmth/white balance) of the screen itself. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I would be interested in an SLR shot.
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I believe you cant compare with screenshot, as its just copying digital values of the screen. You will have to capture side by side with a good slr camera (live output) to compare results. I did a bit side by side comparison on some videos in a shop when i wanted to buy. But put off my purchase until i am sure.
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Exactly, screenshots do not give you the screen colors. The difference you see is only due to the JPEG compression. Do a color comparison with JPEG is also not accurate as well, different devices will show you different results even on the same screen. Only specific camera can really do it, can't be done with any commercial camera or camcorder as well. As the refresh rate and backlight are different between screen and screen orientation as well (portrait and landscape).
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Exactly, screenshots do not give you the screen colors. The difference you see is only due to the JPEG compression. Do a color comparison with JPEG is also not accurate as well, different devices will show you different results even on the same screen. Only specific camera can really do it, can't be done with any commercial camera or camcorder as well. As the refresh rate and backlight are different between screen and screen orientation as well (portrait and landscape).
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I never said it's accurate, and as i said above it wont address the problems that could occur to affect the colors after hardware rendering,
it' like,, if youre asking your doctor what the reddness in your palm mean, what kinda of illness could it suggest, by sending him a pic file of your palm (in jpeg form might i add),,,, yeah it's not accurate nor is it real,,but it at least does the job, if your doctor says he needs further investigation then you can consider sending him a "specifi camera" taken over-100MB-in-size TIFF file of your palm for accuracy.
since the jpeg file i used here already showed very obviously the difference we felt when looking at the screen,, what's the point of using another more accurate file format?
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Yes, if your assumption that the colors are so because of sony preprocessing. I believe screenshot will only show the effect of display preprocessing by the hardware/software but it won't show the end result of the inherent properties (color gamut/ depth, warmth/white balance) of the screen itself. Correct me if I'm wrong. And I would be interested in an SLR shot.
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i was wondering about the same thing while doing the comparison,,
for example,, in one part of a pic it asked for the color of RGB(0,255,0), the screen tried to display RGB(0,255,0) but it looked different in our eyes than the RGB(0,255,0) displayed elsewhere, say my windows7 desktop(LCD display also),
Now i screencap the display, that place in the screencap file should be recorded as RGB(0,255,0) too,
so when i view the file on my desktop windows7, if it looked "normal" then it should be a problem of the phone display , if it looked like what we felt on the phone, then the display shouldnt be defective. (becasue that proves that it only looked different casue sony tweaked it so that it displays RGB(0,200,0) for the color RGB(0,255,0) in that specifi frame to look more appealing to the eye, not that it wasnt able to show a deeper RGB(0,255,0) color)
Now you may have doubt that when i screencapture on the phone, will the pic file record that place as RGB(0,255,0)? what if it was recorded ,say a lighter green, RGB(0,200,0) becasue it's what it's lilke and the screen wasnt able to display the color other normal screen displayed as RGB(0,255,0).
well, if that's the case then the same pic file showing the same green should look different on phone and desktop, which is certainly not true as my comparison 2 and 3 showed.
So, that screencap did work, at least in that comparison.
and now fianlly ,,
I do agree that we should use a camera to shoot together of a desktop LCD and the phone displaying the same pic file (AMOLED would obviously display a "greener" green for RGB(0,255,0) becasue of its wider color gamut), and then compare the green in that shoot, to cover any other issues , especially ones that could happen after the hardware rendering.
You are just comparing Sony firmware compression of an image display on the screen. It is not even about accuracy. Plug your phone by HDMI to a TV and make a screen shot, do you think the rendering will show how the TV displayed your picture?
Test on the phone itself.
Here original picture
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/MG_0133.jpg
Here the screenshot of the same picture on my XZU
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/Screenshot_2013-10-07-14-26-12.png
How come thank the screenshot show more saturated colors than the original picture on my XZU?
As one test is not enough now have the screenshot of a Asus transformer prime
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/Screenshot_2013-10-07-14-23-14.jpg
The IPS+ on my tf201 show pictures lighter with more saturated colors than my XZU, but the screenshot give the opposite. Asus compression is different and Sony compression give even more saturated colors that the original picture.
Edit: uploaded to dropbox for avoid compression on XDA. Sorry for the size ^^
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You are just comparing Sony firmware compression of an image display on the screen. It is not even about accuracy. Plug your phone by HDMI to a TV and make a screen shot, do you think the rendering will show how the TV displayed your picture?
Test on the phone itself.
Here original picture
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/MG_0133.jpg
Here the screenshot of the same picture on my XZU
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/Screenshot_2013-10-07-14-26-12.png
How come thank the screenshot show more saturated colors than the original picture on my XZU?
As one test is not enough now have the screenshot of a Asus transformer prime
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66462768/Screenshot_2013-10-07-14-23-14.jpg
The IPS+ on my tf201 show pictures lighter with more saturated colors than my XZU, but the screenshot give the opposite. Asus compression is different and Sony compression give even more saturated colors that the original picture.
Edit: uploaded to dropbox for avoid compression on XDA. Sorry for the size ^^
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what is your point exactly?
of course they would look different,
different device has its different tweak of displaying colors,
in case you still dont see my point: some company , for exampl LG, tweak their saturation to look like the samsung or to look better(for example, if a pic ask for 25% green, the display is tweaked to show 50% deep green), a screenshot of course will show differently, unless it's the defective display that oversaturated or undersaturated the pic,,,which when screencaptured and showed at the same time in another display should look all the same.(explained in detail in my last post).
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what is your point exactly?
of course they would look different,
different device has its different tweak of displaying colors,
in case you still dont see my point: some company , for exampl LG, tweak their saturation to look like the samsung or to look better(for example, if a pic ask for 25% green, the display is tweaked to show 50% deep green), a screenshot of course will show differently, unless it's the defective display that oversaturated or undersaturated the pic,,,which when screencaptured and showed at the same time in another display should look all the same.(explained in detail in my last post).
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My point is simply to say you spend a lot of time to make comparison, but to compare nothing. A screenshot is an image taken from data directly stocked on the RAM before any image processing, and so before the XZU make any modifications (X Reality) for improve image on the screen. So you only compared image decoding and encoding and not image on the screen.
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My point is simply to say you spend a lot of time to make comparison, but to compare nothing. A screenshot is an image taken from data directly stocked on the RAM before any image processing, and so before the XZU make any modifications (X Reality) for improve image on the screen. So you only compared image decoding and encoding and not image on the screen.
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then why you see the difference of the same pic file across devices?
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then why you see the difference of the same pic file across devices?
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Try to encode a CD with Windows Media Player and Itune, both to MP3 at 320 kb/s, then use it on a sound system (if it is on poor quality you may not hear it), you'll hear that the sound is different. I am really sensible to sound and can clearly feel the difference. Same go for JPEG or PNG or any image compression, each manufacturer use his own build in encoding program and process. Even if the extension is the same at the end, the rendering will be different.
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Try to encode a CD with Windows Media Player and Itune, both to MP3 at 320 kb/s, then use it on a sound system (if it is on poor quality you may not hear it), you'll hear that the sound is different. I am really sensible to sound and can clearly feel the difference. Same go for JPEG or PNG or any image compression, each manufacturer use his own build in encoding program and process. Even if the extension is the same at the end, the rendering will be different.
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well except that we all already see other big differences like,, listening to 2 different songs,
so without your fancy ear capibilities we already can tell that it's different , and no matter how the comression or even bitrate is processed, 2 different songs do sound as 2 different songs
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well except that we all already see other big differences like,, listening to 2 different songs,
so without your fancy ear capibilities we already can tell that it's different , and no matter how the comression or even bitrate is processed, 2 different songs do sound as 2 different songs
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I was talking about same song from the same CD, where did i say different???
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I was talking about same song from the same CD, where did i say different???
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as my first replay already said, which is the point ive been making this whole conversation
if the difference is subtle, it may be casued by other issuses, like the compression you said, and if we can barely see the difference, more accurate camera shot and file format should be used to compare
but here, we already see the very different color density like we felt when saw with naked eyes
like if you hear song A sung by devices A as " oh l love you so much"
and you record it , compare it to the same song sung by devices B as " oh I like you so much"
and record it ,,and when you compare them , you dont even need to consider what compression or bitrate you used to record, casue no matter what, you can already clearly see the difference
and then you start to wonder if it's devices A 's maker tweaking, that made it to sing "love" instead of "like" to make it more appealing , or is it that it was defective and wasnt able to produce the sound "like", and so you start to do the comparison 2, and 3 i did.
got it?
KonW said:
as my first replay already said, which is the point ive been making this whole conversation
if the difference is subtle, it may be casued by other issuses, like the compression you said, and if we can barely see the difference, more accurate camera shot and file format should be used to compare
but here, we already see the very different color density like we felt when saw with naked eyes
like if you hear song A sung by devices A as " oh l love you so much"
and you record it , compare it to the same song sung by devices B as " oh I like you so much"
and record it ,,and when you compare them , you dont even need to consider what compression or bitrate you used to record, casue no matter what, you can already clearly see the difference
and then you start to wonder if it's devices A 's maker tweaking, that made it to sing "love" instead of "like" to make it more appealing , or is it that it was defective and wasnt able to produce the sound "like", and so you start to do the comparison 2, and 3 i did.
got it?
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha, ridiculous. I stop here, enjoy!!
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Hahahahahahahahahahaha, ridiculous. I stop here, enjoy!!
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yeah maybe if you stopped earlier and read my first posts replied to u more you may end up saving some of my time ,, and yours
and you shouldve done so way earlier
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
Korowin said:
Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behaviour with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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Try to disable "scene optimizer". It could be the issue.
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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That should certainly be done but it does not help a ton. The most significant thing I have found is to always shoot in pro mode and take saturation down 2-3 clicks, click the right most icon on the top of the screen to get access to that setting. As mentioned in the gcam thread I also take down shadows and highlights 2-3 clicks and turn contrast up 2-3 clicks. That tends to expand the dynamic range just enough to make a difference. Make sure to use the additional camera settings to tell the cam to always remember your last mode and filter settings.
And about the image in the OP - getting this type of scene right in "auto everything" mode is tough even for DSLR cameras costing thousands of dollars. You have to futz a bit with the white balance and exposure to get something pleasing on practically any camera. shooting into the sun requires good understanding of what the sensor is seeing, and almost always takes significant post processing to make it look natural
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Thank you both. Scene Optimizer didn't help at all and i will try that saturation thing, though it tells me it is not available for RAW mode
Still it is good to hear, that I am not the only one, so it is not a HW issue, but a software one. Right?
I am not expecting for the phone to replace my Nikon 6 II, but use it, when I am taking a walk and shoot something nice and not need to carry the camera and all the additional things with it
Stock app on s23u screen look ok. Because the screen is washed out with too much blue and green.
But when Ive edited the picture on my benq 4k screen 99% color accuracy, wow, indeed over saturated !
I will follow the Gcam thread closely, I think a member is very close to have a config file on point.
Itnis actually a really good point. I javent thought that i also have Vivid mode on the phone and things might look quite different on other devices.
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
Korowin said:
I assume you also have the same issue as I do with the phone oversaturating shots?
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
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Probably report it with a photo/video evidence and detailed description in Samsung members application.
Already did. I aslo spoke with a rep from Samsun US, but I am not sure if he will log it
Does it mean though that you dont have such an issue with your phone?
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Maybe I have but I like colors on my photos
Well not when the Oranges in your shot are trying to get out of the screen and have a life of their own
Don't use Expert RAW, as best as I can tell it has fewer capabilities that PRO mode in the stock app. Once in pro mode click the icon in the top right of the screen (looks like two concentric circles connected by spokes). Then along the bottom there are a bunch of cryptic icons. When you click on each some verbiage will appear explaining what they are. First one is contrast, second highlights, third shadows, fourth saturation, fifth tint. Take down saturation, highlights and shadows 2-3 clicks and bring contrast up the same amount and see what you think.
Other settings to adjust in tandem: from the modes panel pull down Pro mode to the modes strip at the bottom; under Advanced Picture options change storage mode to either RAW or RAW+JPEG if you want to futz with things in Photoshop; and most importantly under Settings to Keep make sure that camera mode and filters are checked.
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Hello all
I am observing something that angers me a bit and I see as kind of an issue with the camera and the processing my S23 Ultra does to each shot, more specifically to those taken in 50 and 200mp modes.
I have noticed a considerable oversaturation, increase in warmer tones and maybe even adding of contrast. Whenever there is a scenario where I have oranges or reds, the phone adds more to those and they blow up. I noticed it the other day while shooting a sunset.
The attached pictures are from the standard app, but the same happens in Pro and Expert RAW. The 1st pic is at 12 mp. There is some saturation added, but not too much. The 2nd one is from the 50mp where it goes crazy. After I take the shot it looks good, but it shows that it is processing it and than - crap happens. Same is with the 200 mode.
I spoke with a Samsung rep, I have reset the camera settings, restarted the phone and I am on the newest version, having updated a few hours ago.
Do you see the same behavior with your S23 Ultras or is it just me? And is there something I can do? I have disabled and disabled the Picture color mode in Dev Options with no effect.
Thank you a lot in advance for helping out!
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Well, I don't have my S23 Ultra yet and don't know how you got yours so fast. I'm still waiting and I ordered mine on the 16th, day before they were to be released.
That said, all high end phones and my Nikon Camera have settings that affect that, for an example the "VIVID" setting in my Nikon would cause the saturation problem with your photos and can be adjusted.
Also mid to high end Samsung TVs have that too. In the showrooms they're all set to VIVID or something similar to make the picture POP. Samsung phones probably comes that way as well.
So read your manual and find settings for saturation and adjust to your liking.
Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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Thank you, William. To add to it, I actually got mine the next day, the 2nd from my local Samsung store. I guess it depends per country, but we just got the upgrade from 256 to 512 as a benefit and nothing else.
I have taken some shots the past day, having turned off scene optimization and HDR and making sure that I am looking at the RAW shot, not the jpeg and it seems better.
Your Nikon camera, mine including, has a similar option, but it affects the jpeg shot only and not the RAW, where you can do whatever you like. I am kind of expecting the same with the phones RAW shots.
Still when looking at the jpeg, when I have set it up to take both, the jpeg seems worse, while the RAW is ok. I guess it will take some playing with it and it became better and I thank all that spared time to reply to me. The phone is just amazing. Even 3 weeks after I got it, I still can stop wondering how big of an upgrade it is for me and how much I like it
Cheers!
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
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I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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I got a great deal with my S23 Ultra:
View attachment 5847523I ordered this phone for the photography features as I was surprised how good my former S21+ was... I started leaving my Nikons home too much. LOL But these camera phones will never be able to shoot BIF that I like to do. Anyways I'm a semi-pro and here is my website if you care to look.
https://moskovita-photography.com/
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you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
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Korowin said:
you have quite a lot of amazing shots there, mate. I urge you not to stop taking your Nikon with you . I know it can be quite a lot and when I decide to go full out, my backpack is close to 15 kilos, but oh, well. It is worth it when you take that amazing shot
The phone is quite impressive for a phone camera, but it is still not close to the real deal. The difference is sensor size does matter a lot.
Here are some of mine then too
Vasil Andreev Photography
Vasil Andreev Photography, София, България. 1,548 likes · 62 talking about this. Landscape, Wildlife and Macro Photography
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Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
william58 said:
Ah... indeed you do have some great photos on FB.
Here is my older website with 40 years worth of photos
http://www.moskovita-photography.com/stock_photography.htm
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Awesome. I am still browsing and I love it. I am still new. Got the Nikon a year ago, had no clue what is going on, and still pushing through it. It is quite a lot of fun, having in mind I hated taking pictures before.
And I kind of like it, that this phone gives me the opportunity to dig into how it is working and what it does to get even more out of it.
I found that using my note9 for photos they came out exactly as what I see with my eyes. The 23 ultra threw a bunch of blue into the sky and made things much more vibrant than what it really looks like. When comparing the iPhone and s23 yes you can see pros and cons but no one really can see how enhanced the photos are. I can't find a way to make the pictures look less exaggerated. I don't think we should have to resort to using pro settings every time. Has anyone foud a way to correct the photos? Debating on returning back to the note
Master255 said:
I recommend just switching to S22. It has no such problems and everything works automatically. With him you do not need to be a professional to just take a photo.
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Sure. Makes sens. Ditch the batter battery, go for exinos, leave the better and flatter display, the otherwise perfect performance for me, the better ram and storage, etc. I can also get a Nokia with a flash life.
Having in mind I own a semi pro camera, this is a solid advice.
Cheers!
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The battery in the s22 is exactly the same, the s22 also has snapdragon, the screen in the s23 is greener displays less details and has fewer colors compared to the s22, the RAM is exactly the same, the drive too. As you can see the camera is so professional in the s23 that ordinary users can not use it. So you don't lose anything by switching to the s22!
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The things you are listing are not the same. I will get exinos cuz i am in the EU. The display is more energy efficient and i dont see the color stuff you are listing. It is a matter of set up.
The s23 ram is 5x, which means newer and faster. The storage is 4.0, which also means newer and faster, and more efficient
There is more in the s23U than the spec sheet tells in comparison to s22U.