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Howdy all! If you've seen me around you'll know I love being an active member of these forums. With my job I have free time some days (some days NONE lol) and helping people makes me happy. I hate causing problems. But there has been a rash of interesting posts within the last 6 months (maybe going back farther but there has been an increase in the past 6 months that I've noticed) of people beginning their posts with:
" sorry for the noob question, but..."
Also, some start with, " sorry I did a search but I'm pressed for time and...."
OK. Look. When I joined up, I had to watch a video. It showed me how much of a noob I am, and told me to search, then search some more, and finally, SEARCH. Again. Now, maybe I'm crazy, but that is still XDA policy. Just because yer new, it doesn't give u an excuse to be lazy. Just because yer in a hurry , it doesn't give u the right to ignore the rules u agreed to when u signed up here.
I was a noob too. A year ago. Guess what? From day one I searched. And searched. And searched again. Why? Cause I love solving as many problems as I can ON MY OWN. Lets try and get back to that. Google search is a great tool. Yes the mobile app search is limited. But u have a browser on your phone. U can go to the actual site and search there as well. Remember, we're a community. And these rules are put in place to help us and maintain some semblence of order.
Remember folks when u search first, and don't post a new thread for something easily found, it not only looks better for u. But it reflects the respect u have for this community and its mods/devs.
Good luck all, happy flashing.
P.S. Red, if have to close this thread, just know this meets my quota for rants for the month.
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I like this guy, but I have low expectations.
I personally have NO issue reading "noobie" questions. Everyone is different and I don't expect they must act like me. For you, me and others who spot a so-called "noob question", if you don't want to help then report the thread/post to mod so they can take care of. Yelling at newbies just makes the matter worse and that have been proved for ......... like you said, the past 6 months.
What irritates me more is SAME person asking the SAME question by creating multiple threads.
Therefore, for us, seniors, if you're not willing to help then just simply walk away from the thread, don't post, don't act like you are the mod.
One other issue, don't be an ass-kisser here.
For newbie, pls read the sticky thread FIRST.
This is 100% correct but you are missing one other important word to go with your "rules, etiquette and respect" slogan and that word is "Attention"
People need to pay attention! So if you could just change the title of the thread to "Rules, Etiquette, Attention, and Respect" or R.E.A.R. for short? Then I think that will cover it. So next time someone asks a question in the wrong thread? I can just point them right to your R.E.A.R.
Most of us are coming to under stand that there is no help what so ever for what the old gaurd calls common qustions so we just go else where
I spent 18 hours sunday working on my phone and I am happy with the results.
The biggest problem is even the fairly detailed instructions leave out the tiniest simple things people do not think of because they just figure everyone on earth should know it.
take for example if you are trying to get your phone ready and going right now the easiest way is to use the directions and flash to a older SU rom then up grade it from there. I searched for hours and could not find an answer to a simple question on why Odin would not upload the files I was trying to load so I had CWM.
In the end the answer, which I figured out my self, was that Odin will not load the .zip files everyone uses for CWM. I accedently tripped over a kernel that was in a different format,.tar, and got lucky.
After that I soft bricked the phone a few times following directions and then ran across the Little bricker Rom that had GREAT directions and loaded first time perfectly.
So for you old timers I might say step back every once in a while when you are writing the great write ups you do and think of the first time you did it. It is the little things that count and are left out most of the time
As Android grows you are going to have to deal with it more and more and you just can't keep kicking people in the teeth or they will not return. GOOD you say? No not good. Not everyone wants an Apple and you do not want to wind up like Nokia or the old PDA platforms that are dead and gone.
So take this how you may. I did get where I needed to go but a simple 20 minute gig took 18 hours to figure out because of the little things all of you take for granted and do not always include.
Thank you for the site
All said here is true but as a noob i must say that there is a lack of usual information here.
A BIG lack...
The problem is visual.
The stickies was made by a dev. Just find a good NOOB to do it and youll be fine.
The first stickie must be how to flash a rom. But this one is not there. It is inside of another stickie at the line 157... cmon
The noob that decides to flash wont read all the stuff. He'll just read the info that he wants.
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RatusNatus said:
All said here is true but as a noob i must say that there is a lack of usual information here.
A BIG lack...
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I don't think there is a lack of information, far from it. I think the problem is that the information is scattered. For example, the guy 2 posts up that tried to use a .zip in Odin...the information that you need to use a .tar is posted in these forums, it's just not in an easily accessible place like the FAQs. I think it's a combination of: lack of organization on the forum's side and laziness on the user's side.
Sorry about my english, there is a communication lack.
you are right, the info was there but people just dont get it...why is that?
Ive edited my previous post...
There is too much info. The noob needs the basic. Step by step he will learn.
Inside the Red stickie, look at the title of the topics listed there.
That is chinese to a noob.
How to flash custom binaries... what a hell is a binarie?
How to flash... the counter?
What... counter?
That is not made for noobies...as i said before, find a noob to do it.
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Phalanx7621 said:
Howdy all! If you've seen me around you'll know I love being an active member of these forums. With my job I have free time some days (some days NONE lol) and helping people makes me happy. I hate causing problems. But there has been a rash of interesting posts within the last 6 months (maybe going back farther but there has been an increase in the past 6 months that I've noticed) of people beginning their posts with:
" sorry for the noob question, but..."
Also, some start with, " sorry I did a search but I'm pressed for time and...."
OK. Look. When I joined up, I had to watch a video. It showed me how much of a noob I am, and told me to search, then search some more, and finally, SEARCH. Again. Now, maybe I'm crazy, but that is still XDA policy. Just because yer new, it doesn't give u an excuse to be lazy. Just because yer in a hurry , it doesn't give u the right to ignore the rules u agreed to when u signed up here.
I was a noob too. A year ago. Guess what? From day one I searched. And searched. And searched again. Why? Cause I love solving as many problems as I can ON MY OWN. Lets try and get back to that. Google search is a great tool. Yes the mobile app search is limited. But u have a browser on your phone. U can go to the actual site and search there as well. Remember, we're a community. And these rules are put in place to help us and maintain some semblence of order.
Remember folks when u search first, and don't post a new thread for something easily found, it not only looks better for u. But it reflects the respect u have for this community and its mods/devs.
Good luck all, happy flashing.
P.S. Red, if have to close this thread, just know this meets my quota for rants for the month.
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you're not even a mod...what gives you the right to post this?
I think some of you have forgotten how this place originally came about and its primary purpose. It was and still is, mostly, a place for developers and development. It was never supposed to be a help desk. That it is a great resource for people needing help is a secondary byproduct, not its raison de'tre. I think this misunderstanding is what leads to incorrect assumptions and expectations and, in turn, hurt feelings when the forum doesn't meet what some think it should be.
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Sorry about my english, there is a communication lack.
you are right, the info was there but people just dont get it...why is that?
Ive edited my previous post...
There is too much info. The noob needs the basic. Step by step he will learn.
Inside the Red stickie, look at the title of the topics listed there.
That is chinese to a noob.
How to flash custom binaries... what a hell is a binarie?
How to flash... the counter?
What... counter?
That is not made for noobies...as i said before, find a noob to do it.
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I respectfully disagree. The noob does not need a step by step guide. The noob needs to read, research, and learn so that he (or she) can make sense of the available information. a quick guide so the noob "can haz ROM nao" is only going to lead to a disappointed, knowledge lacking noob later on down the line...
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Yes Miami but this place become a lot bigger than any dev could think.
Is this bad?
Devs cant complaim about it.
This is the price if sucess.
Just get over it...
Ps. I think he post it cuz he want...
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And you need to remember that the developers in here, for the most part, don't get paid for what they do. We get all their great stuff for free. Actually, we get it for the cost of doing our own research and finding our own solutions. Seems like a fair trade to me.
And as dandrum noted, helping noobs by leading them by the hand is a bad idea. People need to understand fully what they are doing and what it does because otherwise when they inevitably run into a problem they will have no idea what to do to fix it or where to start to even look. This stuff isn't rocket science, but it does require a certain level of comprehension. it is unfair to expect the unpaid members of this forum to bail people out when something goes wrong because they either didn't do their homework or have no understanding of what they're doing.
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Yes Miami but this place become a lot bigger than any dev could think.
Is this bad?
Devs cant complaim about it.
This is the price if sucess.
Just get over it...
Ps. I think he post it cuz he want...
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No they absolutely can complain because this is still a developer Site no matter how popular it becomes.
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you're not even a mod...what gives you the right to post this?
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What gives you the right to post? You're not a mod either. Also, basically everything he said was correct.
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From my perspective I feel as though the vast majority of the time I have virtually no reason to post.
This is usually because of one of the following:
a- someone else has asked a question that I do not have the answer to, not that I'm a n00b but do not know or I would rather leave it up to the real devs to deal with it;
b- I would just be either flaming someone for asking a stupid question or leave a stupid question unanswered because some things should just be figured out by yourself; or most importantly
c- if i have a question or some other issue I can search for it or spend time reading through many posts because there are enough people and knowledgeable people around here that at this point my question or any sort of problem has already been answered, or at least the question has already been asked so there is no reason to spam the same questions over and over.
so just always remember before you make a possibly redundant post there are plenty of us sitting back and reading because usually that is all you need to do
What gives you the right to post? You're not a mod either. Also, basically everything he said was correct.
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good one..
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good one..
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Wasn't supposed to be. The logic is sound.
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Lol, did you really had to made this useless post?
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Lol, did you really had to made this useless post?
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Someone had to outline it
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**** has been outlined in almost every single thread I have look into.
Thinking about a guide like say "links to common problems and tuts",
where there is links to every common problem of the forum in those threads. users can post more. so everything is there and its not very messy or long.
op's would get more views and thanks.
Kindly use the vote too.
is this idea good?
I think the stickies already enough (In my own opinion)
I guess we have so many stickies, should be enough
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mihahn said:
I guess we have so many stickies, should be enough
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Still most people directly come to q and a, (two stickies only)
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mnishamk said:
Thinking about a guide like say "links to common problems and tuts",
where there is links to every common problem of the forum in those threads. users can post more. so everything is there and its not very messy or long.
op's would get more views and thanks.
Kindly use the vote too.
is this idea good?
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I think the idea is a good one. A bunch of the recognized contributors are trying to do something along those lines, but based on a FAQ. The idea is for most devices to end up with a FAQ with short answers to the common questions/problems. Since the answers are short, they almost always link to a longer guide/tut/resource.
fma965 put one up for the Xperia Play today, it is here if you want to take a look.
Is there any way to share op title or at least have an option for more than person to edit a post? And watch over the thread etc etc.
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I think your idea is not bad but I think I already made a FAQ thread for it You can always PM me or tell me all kinds of your idea to improve it. I'm trying to make it as much helpful as I can and if you put your effort too, i think that guide can be extended to a greater level
Best Regards,
AJ
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Is there any way to share op title or at least have an option for more than person to edit a post? And watch over the thread etc etc.
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At the moment no. I think that people have asked for this in General - About xda forum. I seem to remember that it was going to be looked into...but it could be a while.
I don't think you can ever have too many guides as what you may find in one you might not find in another, but as already said it's pretty much covered in the guides/sticky department, and most of the solutions to common problems should be found by following Rule Number 1 anyway.
No offence, but the search tool of xda isn't quite up to the mark.
Quoting a person from the alternative to 10 post rule
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Agreed, but it IS an alternative. And I might point out that the search function is not the best. Case in point, I received a thunderbolt a few weeks ago, and while I was able to find what I needed to root it quickly, there things I needed to know that were no where to be found. As an RC, I knew better than to "just ask", but after I could not find my answer (although I'm sure it was here somewhere) I had to pull a n00b and ask. Of course, I was treated like a n00b with the typical "read the OP, search first" responses. NOT HELPFUL.
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No offence, but the search tool of xda isn't quite up to the mark.
Quoting a person from the alternative to 10 post rule
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Google works perfectly, which is why its so frustrating when People say they've searched but not found what they're looking for, because most of the time typing a thread title or their question into Google finds it straight away, or is in one of the stickys they clearly haven't read.
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Hey I'm running paranoid android 3.15, and siyah kernel, which allows dual booting and I would like very much to also have a touchwiz rom, and the stock one was gorgeous, and hardly had any problems, (if you know one that's better I'm open for suggestions) would like to know how to dual boot on my phone, I've done some research I couldn't find a suitable answer, so here I am!
Thank you in advance for your time and answers!
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have you tried reading the first post of the siyah thread?
that kind of answers are very discouraging ones, instead, try to point the way to help, not to state the errors, be more friendly, if you were a born natural android-samsung-galaxy-s3-expert, then I think, it is your duty to help others in these forums, if not, then we can think that everything is so obvious to you, that in fact, you have no reason to read this posts, and of course, not to post non helping replies. think about it
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that kind of answers are very discouraging ones, instead, try to point the way to help, not to state the errors, be more friendly, if you were a born natural android-samsung-galaxy-s3-expert, then I think, it is your duty to help others in these forums, if not, then we can think that everything is so obvious to you, that in fact, you have no reason to read this posts, and of course, not to post non helping replies. think about it
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Reporting this post as the second abusive post from you to this forum abusing the same member .
I note that you make no attempt to answer the question .
jje
If he's too lazy to read the first post, I won't be friendly. And next time, if you want tot talk to me, send me a Pm to not clutter up the forum
Glebun said:
If he's too lazy to read the first post, I won't be friendly. And next time, if you want tot talk to me, send me a Pm to not clutter up the forum
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Ummm... Fair enough I guess, I did read the first post though,that's why I posted this, I simply wasn't suited by the answer, maybe I didn't express myself well, what I meant was, II can't find the stock rom for s3, so I was wondering where I could find it
you didn't say ANYTHING about finding a stock ROM. You asked, "would like to know how to dual boot on my phone, I've done some research I couldn't find a suitable answer", which you would know if you read the first post.
vonniel said:
Ummm... Fair enough I guess, I did read the first post though,that's why I posted this, I simply wasn't suited by the answer, maybe I didn't express myself well, what I meant was, II can't find the stock rom for s3, so I was wondering where I could find it
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You can find stock rom on sammobile.com
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Glebun said:
you didn't say ANYTHING about finding a stock ROM. You asked, "would like to know how to dual boot on my phone, I've done some research I couldn't find a suitable answer", which you would know if you read the first post.
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Maybe I didn't express myself well enough, I'll admit that the question I asked wasn't the question I should have asked for the answer I'm looking for, but that isn't a reason to get all worked up, anyway, all this is irrelevant to the question and is a waste of time, since you seem to know quite a bit about Android (this isn't sarcasm, I can see you know your stuff), I won't take up your time with questions that aren't said the way they should be. Thank you for attempting to answer the question, even though it isn't the one I should have asked
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http://lmgtfy.com/?q=stock+rom+i9300
to answer your question
*Sigh* I just don't see the point in arguing any more
Everytime I try to flash the rom, it tells me installation aborded after 2 or 3 seconds, I read the entire post from top to botom including the seperate post where he talks about bual-booting, and I haven't found my answer. I have looked on other forums, but haven't found a suitable answer.
Finally, I have one point I would like to clear, it clearly states in the siyah post that I CAN have asop primary/samsung secondary. I assumed samsung meant stock, but if I was wrong, could someone point that out?
You won't be dual booting a stock, unrooted rom. You need to get a 4.1.2, touchwiz based custom rom - that's rooted. I recommend latest wanam lite. You can find it in the android development sub forum
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also like to add that you will find dual boot options in stweaks
I have efficiently managed to dual boot, and I am not having any problems with any of the 2 roms, which is great, I thought it would kind of slow me down but I'm reallt happy
There is one annoying thing though,I probably should have thought about this, but I don't have any data on my second rom (touch-wiz one) all I have is the all share cast data from January, so all I have are my contacts. I was wondering if I could put my 1st roms data on the 2nd one, or if I have to start fresh, since this isn't mentioned in the siyah post, I guess the answer must be clear, but I don't see it. :/
In conclusion, can I put my primary rom data on the secondary rom, if so how?
use titanium backup
Yep. Titanium.
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Ummm... Noob question , I've been trying to work titanium,I've made the back-ups of all compatible apps and system data, but when I boot the second rom, I can't restore the datas, so I have no idea how to do this... :/
I've been looking everywhere and just need some direction on where to find a stock Rom for the HTC one for at&t version. Also I want to know if my phone will still be rooted or not afterwards? I know it normally has to be a rooted Rom but that surely wouldn't get rid of root just because I flash a stock Rom? And is flashing it essentially having stock or is there a way I can go completely stock and it not even have access to bootloader and can anymore? Thanks in advance for any help I'm still not very good at this.
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I've been looking everywhere and just need some direction on where to find a stock Rom for the HTC one for at&t version. Also I want to know if my phone will still be rooted or not afterwards? I know it normally has to be a rooted Rom but that surely wouldn't get rid of root just because I flash a stock Rom? And is flashing it essentially having stock or is there a way I can go completely stock and it not even have access to bootloader and can anymore? Thanks in advance for any help I'm still not very good at this.
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You should look in the right place first, like the att HTC one forum perhaps.
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golabski said:
I've been looking everywhere and just need some direction on where to find a stock Rom for the HTC one for at&t version. Also I want to know if my phone will still be rooted or not afterwards? I know it normally has to be a rooted Rom but that surely wouldn't get rid of root just because I flash a stock Rom? And is flashing it essentially having stock or is there a way I can go completely stock and it not even have access to bootloader and can anymore? Thanks in advance for any help I'm still not very good at this.
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Be prepared to get smart ass comments like the one above mine. If you flash a stock Att ROM you will still be rooted. You can find one in the android development section. In order to get rid of custom recovery you would need to run the Att ruu. You first have to relock your boot loader. There are several informative videos on you tube. Just do a Google search for Att ruu for HTC one.
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capathy21 said:
Be prepared to get smart ass comments like the one above mine. If you flash a stock Att ROM you will still be rooted. You can find one in the android development section. In order to get rid of custom recovery you would need to run the Att ruu. You first have to relock your boot loader. There are several informative videos on you tube. Just do a Google search for Att ruu for HTC one.
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How was that persons response a smart ass response...
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Nick281051 said:
How was that persons response a smart ass response...
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I don't know if it was smartass (it definitely wasn't that smart)...but it was rude.
A person asked a question...and a second person not only did not answer it but tried to shame him/her by saying: "you should look in the right place".
What's up with that??
Why are some of the older members on these forums (some with thousands of posts) so hostile to newbies??
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I don't know if it was smartass (it definitely wasn't that smart)...but it was rude.
A person asked a question...and a second person not only did not answer it but tried to shame him/her by saying: "you should look in the right place".
What's up with that??
Why are some of the older members on these forums (some with thousands of posts) so hostile to newbies??
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That's exactly what I meant. It happens a lot on XDA. Instead of using your response to help a person, they either have a smart comment or try to make the person asking the question feel stupid.
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I don't know if it was smartass (it definitely wasn't that smart)...but it was rude.
A person asked a question...and a second person not only did not answer it but tried to shame him/her by saying: "you should look in the right place".
What's up with that??
Why are some of the older members on these forums (some with thousands of posts) so hostile to newbies??
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How do you know this person didn't post in the international section originally and was moved here by a mod? So don't make assumptions like that because I've seen it happens many times. And most of us aren't mean, we just don't feel the need to do all the legwork for said noobies. That gets no one anywhere if people can't figure these things out by themselves they should not be modifying their expensive devices. Not trying to be mean, but we do not want people bricking their phones here.
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That's exactly what I meant. It happens a lot on XDA. Instead of using your response to help a person, they either have a smart comment or try to make the person asking the question feel stupid.
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We don't make anyone feel stupid. If anything they make themselves look stupid especially when the answer they're looking for is right in front of them but they just feel like someone should send them a link because they're entitled to it.
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This is exactly why I hate looking for answers on forums. If people would help out and actually provide some helpful answers then people would be able to find the right solution when searching. I can't tell you how many threads and posts I've had to go through because of spiteful responses.
I understand my reply doesn't help the OP, but I just had to say something.
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Yeah...I have only been posting for a day but I've been reading these forums for a while and I've noticed a certain level of hostility especially towards newbies...
I asked a simple question yesterday (as my first post) and the very first response was a smartass remark...I wasn't even surprised.
There is a lot of nerd rage around these forums I suppose, and been an electrical engineer I am used to dealing with that...but still, I thought this was supposed to be a "community".it'd be funny if everytime one of my neighbors asked me a question about how to do something, I answered like that.
And by funny I mean, I'd be an asshole for answering like that.
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How do you know this person didn't post in the international section originally and was moved here by a mod? So don't make assumptions like that because I've seen it happens many times. And most of us aren't mean, we just don't feel the need to do all the legwork for said noobies. That gets no one anywhere if people can't figure these things out by themselves they should not be modifying their expensive devices. Not trying to be mean, but we do not want people bricking their phones here.
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First of all... why does it matter if a person posted somewhere else?
Secondly, there is no need to be hostile or defensive...ever.
Third, no one is asking anyone any work...some people are just asking simple questions about how to from A to B.
Fourth, if a person asks a question, and a second person doesn't know the answer then they shouldn't answer. And if their intent is to point in the right direction they could just say:
Hey, check this forum out and here is a link... no need for smartass remarks.
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Yeah...I have only been posting for a day but I've been reading these forums for a while and I've noticed a certain level of hostility especially towards newbies...
I asked a simple question yesterday (as my first post) and the very first response was a smartass remark...I wasn't even surprised.
There is a lot of nerd rage around these forums I suppose, and been an electrical engineer I am used to dealing with that...but still, I thought this was supposed to be a "community".it'd be funny if everytime one of my neighbors asked me a question about how to do something, I answered like that.
And by funny I mean, I'd be an asshole for answering like that.
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First of all... why does it matter if a person posted somewhere else?
Secondly, there is no need to be hostile or defensive...ever.
Third, no one is asking anyone any work...some people are just asking simple questions about how to from A to B.
Fourth, if a person asks a question, and a second person doesn't know the answer then they shouldn't answer. And if their intent is to point in the right direction they could just say:
Hey, check this forum out and here is a link... no need for smartass remarks.
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Because if they post in the international section they wouldn't have much help there as most people with the at&t version post here where there is also an ruu.
Second, there's only a few here that may be hostile. Telling people to search is not hostile.
Third, why should we spell it out for someone again if by taking a look around before posting will answer their questions?
Fourth, that's what most people do, except they don't always post links because they shouldn't have to. Most people I see tell the person with the problem exactly where to find the answer and linking to it isn't necessary. Do some people do it? Sure, but it shouldn't be necessary.
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I understand there are some stupid questions asked on XDA but overall the attitude is hostility. It's been that way since I started rooting/flashing 4 years ago. XDA is very intimidating as a noobie. You have to learn lingo/terms and even as a half way experienced flasher I still read read read and sometimes am unclear on some things. There are a lot of helpful people on here and the devs are amazing but sometimes honest questions get ripped.
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Because if they post in the international section they wouldn't have much help there as most people with the at&t version post here where there is also an ruu.
Second, there's only a few here that may be hostile. Telling people to search is not hostile.
Third, why should we spell it out for someone again if by taking a look around before posting will answer their questions?
Fourth, that's what most people do, except they don't always post links because they shouldn't have to. Most people I see tell the person with the problem exactly where to find the answer and linking to it isn't necessary. Do some people do it? Sure, but it shouldn't be necessary.
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Telling people to search may not be hostile but is douchie...If the person is in these forums is because they are searching. If I know the answer to a question that someone asks, I have two options, I can either choose to answer it or choose not to answer it. If I choose to not answer it then I should not type a smartass remark.
So here is a simple suggestion for some of the most hostile older members of these forums...
If you don't feel like you should answer a person's questions then don't ****ing answer the question...Why spend the extra effort to try to be a smartass??
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By the way Nick...
You have not been hostile to me...just to be clear...
Which baffles me that you are defending some of the a-holes who are.
I agree people shouldn't be aholes but I'm just trying to explain why the attitude around here is the way it is, I started as a noob once (back in the captivate days) the first thing I did when I tried to root that thing was mess it up, and I was able to fix it by myself without asking for the easy way out. Most people expect everyone who joins to do that so that's why people say "search before posting" and if you still can't find the answer then no one will be hostile in any way and will most likely answer your question politely. That's all, I understand it's intimidating but we just encourage people to problem solve by themselves first and ask questions after
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I try not to be a smartass but if someone posts something really obvious then I will tell them to search and nothing else
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[/COLOR]I try not to be a smartass but if someone posts something really obvious then I will tell them to search and nothing else
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This is kind of my point though...
No need to do that. When I know the answer to a question I either choose to answer it or not answer it... To say "hey, go search search"...is rude.
What makes you think that person wasn't searching? I can tell you if they found these forums is because they are searching...and perhaps they could not find the answer.
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This is kind of my point though...
No need to do that. When I know the answer to a question I either choose to answer it or not answer it... To say "hey, go search search"...is rude.
What makes you think that person wasn't searching? I can tell you if they found these forums is because they are searching...and perhaps they could not find the answer.
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Usually you can tell, especially with people that make new threads like" how do i return to stock?" those kinds of things make it obvious that the person didn't look at all. Most of the time I will point them in the right direction and hope they can figure it out on their own, otherwise they shouldn't root/mod their phones. That's all.
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The problem is that there are so many threads with misinformation and you never know which method to follow since there aren't many "official" threads in how to do something. Most of the time I search and read various methods and then will usually have to go with the mostly used method.
What I describe above is what is wrong with the internet in general.. not just xda.
You never know who knows what and when you find an answer your hoping it's right.. but I've been burned before where you follow someones suggestion, but then 20 minutes later, someone with more experience gives the right solution.
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few quick questions
I flashed the Google Edition ROM earlier today and I have a couple of quick questions about the Google Edition ROM...
Right now my home screens are set to 4x4 arrays and the # of icons on the dock is also limited. Is there anyway to change this while using the stock launcher? I have the Nova launcher installed now, but I was wondering if there was any level of customization that could be done on the stock launcher?
Also the stock launcher is not allowing me to re-size widgets and such...is that a by product of this "Google Edition" using the Sense framework?
Lastly is the Trebuchet launcher on CM any better when it comes to customization? And anyone who has tried both and has an opinion one way or the other?
I'll greatly appreciate the help.
Flashed the CM10.1 June 28 nightly played with it for almost a day...liked it a lot but will stick to the Google Edition ROM for the time being...mostly based on Stability (and silly as it may sound the Beats Optimization)
Will probably switch to CM 10.1 once it reaches Release Candidate status or Stable version.
Great job so far...I really really like where CM is heading.
I have to agree with all of you in one way or another. When a person asks for help trying to locate information about their device. it really is not hard to either answer with a proper response of, Did you search for your info? Where did you look? And there certainly is no problem with going, this is what your looking for, hope i helped. (link)
As a senior member myself, i still have had times where i asked for some assistance because i could not find exactly what i was looking for, I have read, and searched, and searched, and read. and when i have asked questions... i have gotten one of two responses, here is what you are looking for, hope i helped you out. And the other being, you are not entitled to any help, go search, if you dont have time to search, you shouldn't be in the forums or modifying your device. also.. you must not mod alot of devices if you have to ask that question, you surely don't know what you are doing.
People here can be rude. if a person doesn't want to help, here is the thought.. you are entitled to keep your mouth shut instead of be a smart ass and let someone who is willing and patient to help the newbie understand what they are doing and help guide them. this is how beginners turn into our next gen of devs. and certain people acting like A**es makes them not want to be part of this community. I have gotten rid of certain devices because i couldnt tolerate the rude ignorant remarks in those device communities. it is also another reason that i dont do dev work anymore and dont post as much as i used to. People are rude.
i feel entitled to ask a question in hopes of an answer that may help me. you are entiled to keep your mouth shut if you plan on being rude in regards to said question.
to my last statement..... you have a better chance at scratching a bobcats ass, than coming up to me and talking to me in that sweet sister ass voice.
help the person or not. but at least have some dignity not to be an a**hole!!
Ok since i have less than 10 posts I cant post in main device OS/Root posts etc.
Anyways I have a Samsung S4 Verizon I545. How to unlock it?
Gimme the link(s) to where I can download the ROM, software etc. And some steps on how to go about it. Also after carrier unlock/root can i do OTA updates?
And also what rom/software will gimme the most out of this S4?
I've unlocked two of iPhones before, so I understand the risks associated. Please try to help in simple english.
Thanks to XDA and thanks to any pupil willin to help.
asubiyyal said:
Ok since i have less than 10 posts I cant post in main device OS/Root posts etc.
Anyways I have a Samsung S4 Verizon I545. How to unlock it?
Gimme the link(s) to where I can download the ROM, software etc. And some steps on how to go about it. Also after carrier unlock/root can i do OTA updates?
And also what rom/software will gimme the most out of this S4?
I've unlocked two of iPhones before, so I understand the risks associated. Please try to help in simple english.
Thanks to XDA and thanks to any pupil willin to help.
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Click on your phone info.
Write down the last 3 digits if your build version.
If it is MJ7 enjoy your Samsung iphone or take the risk of Chinese infiltration with vroot.
If its anything else, type go to GOOGLE.COM and type in those 3 letters followed by the word "Root".
Good luck!
Doesn't get much simpler than that.. :sly:
Verizon Galaxy S4
# MJ7 #
ALL Knoxed Up!
Ok So my build version is MJ7.
Is it unlockable through the ROM/software here on XDA or any other reliable ROM/sofware?
Please can you guys list the instructions or a link that tells me A to Z what to do. Thanks!
asubiyyal said:
Ok So my build version is MJ7.
Is it unlockable through the ROM/software here on XDA or any other reliable ROM/sofware?
Please can you guys list the instructions or a link that tells me A to Z what to do. Thanks!
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You can't root using a reliable technique, and even if you root you can't install custom ROMs at the moment. Safestrap may eventually become possible.
k1mu said:
You can't root using a reliable technique, and even if you root you can't install custom ROMs at the moment. Safestrap may eventually become possible.
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Just to make sure, this S4 MJ7 Verizon cant be unlocked to run on Tmobile using a reliable method?
Sorry for acting like a total newb. And many thanks.
I have MJ7 also and I've looked at root alternatives and it's risky at best. Let me know if you find a less risky way.
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Just to make sure, this S4 MJ7 Verizon cant be unlocked to run on Tmobile using a reliable method?
Sorry for acting like a total newb. And many thanks.
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The I545 is not simlocked, which means that you can run any carrier's SIM. There are SEVERAL threads here that explain what you need to do to run an I545 on T-Mobile. Unfortunately, the search function is broken yet again, but there is NO excuse for starting another thread on a topic that has been covered several times before.
I know, you can't tell, but this is a very frequently asked and answered question.
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The I545 is not simlocked, which means that you can run any carrier's SIM. There are SEVERAL threads here that explain what you need to do to run an I545 on T-Mobile. Unfortunately, the search function is broken yet again, but there is NO excuse for starting another thread on a topic that has been covered several times before.
I know, you can't tell, but this is a very frequently asked and answered question.
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Nope i tried tmobile sim doesnt work
I love this website, but I still haven't used it once because I search through threads always find answers like this. Its truly amazing how the website owners have sections for different versions and different hardware. But constant trolling by veteran users is common.
This(android) is an open source project but that doesnt mean every one here knows what people are talking about. I get discouraged posts like the one above^^. I have been using android since it came out on G1 and still havent rooted any of my devices YET. This time I actually thought I would but you know what **** this.
Anyways last attempt? Can my device be RELIABLY(trusted) carrier unlocked so I can use it on Tmobile. Thanks.
Also is there a thread where I can lookup jargon/lingo/acronyms specific to this site/genre? Link please.
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Nope i tried tmobile sim doesnt work
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Perhaps you could post on one of the T-Mobile threads here and explain what "doesn't work" means, as they may be able to help you.
Non-Verizon SIMs work for me, but I'm not using a SIM from some other US carrier.
asubiyyal said:
I love this website, but I still haven't used it once because I search through threads always find answers like this. Its truly amazing how the website owners have sections for different versions and different hardware. But constant trolling by veteran users is common.
This(android) is an open source project but that doesnt mean every one here knows what people are talking about. I get discouraged posts like the one above^^. I have been using android since it came out on G1 and still havent rooted any of my devices YET. This time I actually thought I would but you know what **** this.
Anyways last attempt? Can my device be RELIABLY(trusted) carrier unlocked so I can use it on Tmobile. Thanks.
Also is there a thread where I can lookup jargon/lingo/acronyms specific to this site/genre? Link please.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521485
That's the guide to use your phone on T-Mobile. It's on the first page of the general section lol.
By the way, the forums are seperated by device and carrier because that's how the software works, it's different per device and the carrier that device uses. This is a site for developers.
asubiyyal said:
I love this website, but I still haven't used it once because I search through threads always find answers like this. Its truly amazing how the website owners have sections for different versions and different hardware. But constant trolling by veteran users is common.
This(android) is an open source project but that doesnt mean every one here knows what people are talking about. I get discouraged posts like the one above^^. I have been using android since it came out on G1 and still havent rooted any of my devices YET. This time I actually thought I would but you know what **** this.
Anyways last attempt? Can my device be RELIABLY(trusted) carrier unlocked so I can use it on Tmobile. Thanks.
Also is there a thread where I can lookup jargon/lingo/acronyms specific to this site/genre? Link please.
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Sorry if you thinking this is "trolling by a veteran user".
First, you need to understand: the i545 is not SIM locked. Any SIM will work.
However, there's some question as to whether or not that SIM will allow other US carriers to work. Mine works with a SIM that gives me AT&T data. (It's from a European carrier.)
Here's how you can answer your question. First, look at the top of this window.
There's a box on the top reading "Search this forum".
I entered "tmobile" there, then got the following threads:
Tmobile sim and samsung galaxy s4: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2397984
Does the new MJ7 firmware update block GSM? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2523307
[Q] VZW S4 to T-MO S4 - Is it possible? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513735
T-Mobile HSPA(+) on SCH-I545 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2478411
Thread for using verizon galaxy s4 Sch-i545 on T-Mobile and/or At&t LTE etc. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427934
[Q]OOC Verizon S4 on Tmobile? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2331131
Okay I have a vzw galaxy s4 working in tmobile http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2457568
Then, searches for "T-mobile":
[Q] VZW S4 to T-MO S4 - Is it possible? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2513735
[Q] T-Mobile on VZW S4 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2464730
VZW Galaxy S4 can it be use on tmobile? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2447312&highlight=t-mobile
Probably very useful:
Thread for using verizon galaxy s4 Sch-i545 on T-Mobile and/or At&t LTE etc. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2427934
Using any one of those will connect you with people trying to use their Verizon phones on T-Mobile.
rshipa 1313
Haha nice work you guys. I will try and then post in couple of days about the above solutions/links you all have given. Thanks again!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2521485
That's the guide to use your phone on T-Mobile. It's on the first page of the general section lol.
By the way, the forums are seperated by device and carrier because that's how the software works, it's different per device and the carrier that device uses. This is a site for developers.
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I mean that as compliment to website. And yes I know the site is for developers as it is named. But this is the place where developers release and discuss there stuff so evryday android user can use there releases as suits to them accordingly... right? or developers just make it for them selves?
Yes it can be done. Basic strps are to get a
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Sorry. Hit send too early..
Basic steps are to get a sim.
Then go and see if it picked ip the APN settings. If not you should be able to create a new APN and put in the values manually. Search on xda for the values
Finally. Theres a thread in xda that explains how to download a phone info app. Which will allow you to set the phone radio to LTE/GSM.
last thing you want to check is that you can do wifi, sms, mms, voice mail, etc.
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asubiyyal said:
I mean that as compliment to website. And yes I know the site is for developers as it is named. But this is the place where developers release and discuss there stuff so evryday android user can use there releases as suits to them accordingly... right? or developers just make it for them selves?
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A lot of people do make things for themselves, I run my own crappy builds all the time as I'm learning. Of course the more experienced developers release stable work for the public. Regardless, the purpose of the site isn't to release software for the "everyday android user".
It's about the journey not the end result.
I really can't explain the purpose of this site any better than this post by Kyphur:
"I think what a lot of people forget is that this is not a "make my phone neat & kewl" place.
As implied by the name this is technically a Developers forum/community.
Now what does that mean? Well first off it means that there is an expectation that if you are here then you want to customize your device but rather than just installing something that someone packaged you want to understand how it works and maybe even enhance it yourself.
When I first came here with a Blue Angel it was a different environment. PDA Phones were not embraced by the general public because of the expense and complexity (I paid over $400 for my BA). A $400 phone 4 years ago was expensive, today the Tilt is $300 after rebates but with inflation & the rise in the cost of other devices and the fact that there are other sources out there giving them away for $150 our neat bit of kit has become popular with mainstream users.
Now we have a flood of new users who are asking not "How can I do this myself" but more like "Give me the quick fix" without caring to understand the process. See if you read the threads then you get to experience the learning process, you see how the issues were investigated and confirmed. Then you get to watch the different attempts at resolution and learn why some failed while others worked. That is called Development.
The NooB backlash is coming from users who have walked in the development shoes and is directed mainly at those who don't care for the journey but just want the end result or destination.
As a Development Forum we are just as much (if not more) about the journey. I've read so many comments like "I don't have time to read all of the threads" or "I don't care how it works, just that it does". These very statements are contrary to the heart & soul of XDA-Devs and that is why the backlash is so strong.
Let me be very clear on this: IF YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE JOURNEY THEN YOU PROBABLY SHOULDN'T BE HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
XDA-Devs is about developers & hackers helping each other and working together to get the most out of our devices by understanding them better than most.
XDA-Devs is not about helping everyone who wants a "Kewl bit of kit" make their phone better than the guy next to him.
Now do we go kicking users off who never contribute anything, NO. We tolerate it to an extent. Where the toleration ends is when these users start diluting the usefulness of the forum by repeating the same questions over and over again.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position."
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A lot of people do make things for themselves, I run my own crappy builds all the time as I'm learning. Of course the more experienced developers release stable work for the public. Regardless, the purpose of the site isn't to release software for the "everyday android user".
It's about the journey not the end result.
You ask us to understand your position. Well if you want to benefit from our experience and time then I think it is only fair that you understand our position."
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I ddnt mean to be like rude or anything guys. So sorry for acting like that.
Now honestly i Google about android rooting/self installin the new version and XDA comes up all the time, so I've known about website long time ago and I see that there are like 100s of posts a minute mostly by total newbs. I'm newbie to android and XDA but like actually do wanna learn this stuff. Thats why I even asked if there are threads/links to where I can brush up beginner stuff so I then if I stll have any issues I can ask the question in a technical manner or even understand different threads that have already answered the question(s) that I have.
As for developer part you guys are programmers and hackers and its your hobby and its pretty cool you do this stuff on daily basis, but for me that is too far ahead.
Now I have another device unlocked NExus S i got from tmobile back in 2011, I wanna update it to latest OS KitKat. I will now look up XDA all over myself, let you know how it goes.:laugh: Hopefully it will work out.
Thanks again.
EDIT: P.S. the first day i posted search wasnt working. Or maybe I ddnt search the right sections. I'll do XDA search through Google now
asubiyyal said:
I ddnt mean to be like rude or anything guys. So sorry for acting like that.
Now honestly i Google about android rooting/self installin the new version and XDA comes up all the time, so I've known about website long time ago and I see that there are like 100s of posts a minute mostly by total newbs. I'm newbie to android and XDA but like actually do wanna learn this stuff. Thats why I even asked if there are threads/links to where I can brush up beginner stuff so I then if I stll have any issues I can ask the question in a technical manner or even understand different threads that have already answered the question(s) that I have.
As for developer part you guys are programmers and hackers and its your hobby and its pretty cool you do this stuff on daily basis, but for me that is too far ahead.
Now I have another device unlocked NExus S i got from tmobile back in 2011, I wanna update it to latest OS KitKat. I will now look up XDA all over myself, let you know how it goes.:laugh: Hopefully it will work out.
Thanks again.
P.S. the first day i posted search wasnt working.
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I didn't think you were being a rude, but I just thought I would share with you post that explains the purpose of XDA very well. It might seem harsh because it's out of context & was originally directed at some a$$hole.
We were all newbs here, I'm no programmer I just like learning code because I like learning how all of this stuff works. I'm glad you want to start learning to. All I did in the beginning was google search "rooting" and a bunch of write-ups & video's came up that taught me a lot.
I think this all falls under off topic this is really not the place for senior members to try b!+ch slap junior members, staying on topic is how this site operates