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Hi Guys - great phone which I've had a week or so now. Upgraded from the first Galaxy S.
Now I must admit to having very good eyesight (sometimes wish I couldn't see finer details!) and..
On white / grey images (download the various screen test apps to have a look for yourself)
The screen, when on a low brightness, is "muddy" and demonstrates a few vertical darker lines on the screen with mine showing quite a prominent one in the bottom right heading up about half way up the screen.
This is mostly visible when the brightness is at a minimum (regardless of auto or the powersaving options)
When the brightness is turned up it is barely visible, if at all... looks fantastic..
But.. at this point I preferred the screen on the Galaxy S which, when dimmed was more vibrant and didn't have this "problem"
Hands up who can see what I see? Any darker lines visible on your white / grey backgrounds? a side effect of this new subpixel arrangement? totally normal? some pixels not as bright in a row hence darker lines?
What do you guys think?
Cheers, B
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Could you take a pic or something?
ASAP yes (no camera ironically so will have to ask a colleague!)
hold menu and press power button for screenshot off the device.
Yeah, mine set to minimum brightness and has some line artifacts like when LCD supplied with low voltage. (low brightness setting)
Easily noticeable when displaying grey colors.
I'm also using Screen Filter app, setting brightness even lower, some black points around 0.3cm is exposed at night.
Not sure those points are affected by anti-scratch film though.
Hola
I can confirm that I see the same "line banding" effect when using the device with low brightness. Like others have mentioned I also use the free Screen Filter app to get even lower brightness levels especially when reading stuff in bed in the near dark.
I would think this is a side issue with having the Super AMOLED Plus type screen but I guess only a Samsung tech can confirm.
intruda119 said:
hold menu and press power button for screenshot off the device.
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Taking a screen shot wont show anything.. its the screen not the image
@ OP
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=13444483#post13444483
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1065359
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1062966
65" long exposure exposing some black spots.(digitally enhanced)
Lowest brightness + Highest brightness.
Wondering those spots are caused by screen protector or defective screen or limitation of current AMOLED's.
You can see there is some current leak.(It should be bezel-like black if it is ideally off)
http://img691.imageshack.us/i/93767661.png/
http://img69.imageshack.us/i/36284360.png/
Not sure I understand you cpu98!
Is there a consensus we all have this "problem" - i'm on the verge of taking it back for a refund and "monitoring things"
Anyone understand the tech / spoken to Samsung?
B
Not sure what those black spots are... is your camera messed up? There's spots on the right even off the phone...
Also yes, pure black for SAMOLED still produces SOME light, but it's almost indistinguishable to the human eye.
Take a picture of a dark grey image on low brightness and it should show the bands the best...
cpu98 said:
65" long exposure exposing some black spots.(digitally enhanced)
Lowest brightness + Highest brightness.
Wondering those spots are caused by screen protector or defective screen or limitation of current AMOLED's.
You can see there is some current leak.(It should be bezel-like black if it is ideally off)
http://img691.imageshack.us/i/93767661.png/
http://img69.imageshack.us/i/36284360.png/
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dinan said:
Not sure what those black spots are... is your camera messed up? There's spots on the right even off the phone...
Also yes, pure black for SAMOLED still produces SOME light, but it's almost indistinguishable to the human eye.
Take a picture of a dark grey image on low brightness and it should show the bands the best...
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That spot off the phone is on the wall not defective cam. As you can see photos are taken at different angle. And it is visible in naked eye.
Yeah I like its screen very much. That black issues are no problem in real use.
I'm very satisfied.
Hi, did anyone compared Ace's screen brightness and contrast to other phones? I have Galaxy Y too, of course colors are little dull but contrast and brightnes are perfect. I always use it with brightness set to 20-25% all day and all is good. Yesterday I bought Ace and I found its screen rather dark and something like "over-contrasted". It seems really dark so I have to set its brightness at 50% but colors are still too saturated. Red is so intense and white is little yellowish. Kinda like heavy used screen in old laptop. Is this normal or something is wrong with this one? Maybe I used to old bad quality phones and now I have good display what makes me confused. Of course phone is almost new. Used maybe one week.
There is a problem with your phones screen. I use 25-30% in brightnes and except direct sunlight its fine. Even in sunlight i can see answering calls etc but cant read well. And colors are fine. Take it to service if in waranty.
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Hello, I own a i9100 and I have some burn-ins at the top of the screen that replicate some buttons of a browser or something, and some burn-ins at the bottom as well. I have read that leaving overnight an app that's constantly switching colours, with full brightness, could help a bit on that. I also read that leaving a blank screen (white image) on the same conditions (overnight, full brightness) would help as well. My question is, how true these both things are? I don't want to end with a bigger problem than the one I currently have. The burn-ins are most viewable at Blue, Red, and Black screen colors.(like if I put a background with one of those colors on it)
Never had any of these on my S2,but from my experience with the galaxy s plus,these tricks won't work.None will to be honest.It's permanent.This shows how immature amoled technology is.Learn to live with it or replace the screen if that bothers you much.
what a sign you got there...
Lucky you. Mine is not THAT noticeable if you're using it normally, but as soon as you open something with a plain color on it, the burn in shows itself on all its glory. So right now you can't tell if leaving the white image all the night or the thing switching colors will damage my screen more?
mwehehe
Well,back then when I tried every method you described above on my i9001,I didn't noticed any improvement nor any further damage.Even after running those for 10h+.So I assume it's safe.Can't say the same for the S2 though,have no problems with it.
So, I picked up my new V10 today, and I noticed something odd. It appears that the upper left corner of secondary screen has a problem with the Backlight. Just wanted to see if anyone else is noticing this.
It's most noticeable when the second screen is running with the main screen off, especially when there are notifications coming across, the upper left side of the screen is over-lit. Please see the attached couple of pictures for example. (The first picture is hard to see, but you can see the brighter corner on the second picture where I have an email notification). It's also noticeable when the phone is in use and both screens are on.
I'm just wondering if others are seeing this or if it's possible that I got a small defect from factory.
The secondary display does 'bleed', as mentioned in a few youtube reviews. Mine also bleeds. Apparently this is normal but definitely not appealing.
Mine does as well. Only noticed it in my pitch dark bedroom last night.
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It's not a defect, just part of using backlights. Look up LG G2x backlight bleed, that was a whole different ballgame, lol.
I'm only seeing that bleed in the dark until that screens dims a bit then the bit of bleed dissappears. I've never seen what you have in your picture.
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So, I picked up my new V10 today, and I noticed something odd. It appears that the upper left corner of secondary screen has a problem with the Backlight. Just wanted to see if anyone else is noticing this.
It's most noticeable when the second screen is running with the main screen off, especially when there are notifications coming across, the upper left side of the screen is over-lit. Please see the attached couple of pictures for example. (The first picture is hard to see, but you can see the brighter corner on the second picture where I have an email notification). It's also noticeable when the phone is in use and both screens are on.
I'm just wondering if others are seeing this or if it's possible that I got a small defect from factory.
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Yours looks very excessive. In normal viewing conditions, the backlight should not ever be that noticeable. The only time I ever see the backlight on my V10 for the secondary display is in a completely dark room when the screen lights up a little bit because the phone was moved or something. But in this case, the backlight is leaking into half the screen because of how backlight bleed works in an LCD - i.e. it is not a hotspot like you have.
When I got my first V10, it had a hotspot in the upper left corner of the main part of the display. I noticed it immediately but wasn't sure if it was a defect or not. Compared it to the demo model and the salesman agreed, so we swapped it for another V10 right on the spot - no issue now, the screen looks beautiful and the secondary display and notification bar blend PERFECTLY into the bezel during use. It nearly looks AMOLED unless in complete darkness. I would swap your phone ASAP.
Mine does to in a dark room but once it dims the second time when screens off its hardly noticeable. Not what OP has though.
Nothing like that on mine either.
I did notice a very faint glow on the top right of mine but this is as others mentioned...Only barely visible and only in pitch darkness.
What you showed on the top left doesn't seem "normal" at all. +1 on swapping it out. I'd say that's excessive and a defect.
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Yours looks very excessive. In normal viewing conditions, the backlight should not ever be that noticeable. The only time I ever see the backlight on my V10 for the secondary display is in a completely dark room when the screen lights up a little bit because the phone was moved or something. But in this case, the backlight is leaking into half the screen because of how backlight bleed works in an LCD - i.e. it is not a hotspot like you have.
When I got my first V10, it had a hotspot in the upper left corner of the main part of the display. I noticed it immediately but wasn't sure if it was a defect or not. Compared it to the demo model and the salesman agreed, so we swapped it for another V10 right on the spot - no issue now, the screen looks beautiful and the secondary display and notification bar blend PERFECTLY into the bezel during use. It nearly looks AMOLED unless in complete darkness. I would swap your phone ASAP.
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Thanks for the feedback everyone, it turns out that it was not normal. Just rolled back in from the T-Mobile store. Took it in, expecting to be met with some resistance when requesting a replacement. To my surprise, they immediately agreed and replaced it!
The replacement does not have this issue. Glad to get that taken care of, really my only major gripe so far is gone.
Glad to hear it! Happy endings are the best.
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Good to hear as well.
So there is no more light bleed on your second screen or it just isn't as pronounced as before?
I have some. The tiniest bit. In a dark room. Totally acceptable. I think this second screen is sexy as all hell
From reviews I knew there was a light leak issue. However, it does annoy me. I wish there was none at all our at least give us the ability to change the brightness. That being said, I initially thought the second screen would be dumb but now I can't imagine being without it. Switching between apps is so much easier now.
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Can you try pushing a notification to yourself, while the screen is off and snapping a picture like you did in your first post? I'm curious to see what it looks like because when my screen is off and I get a notification with a white background it's bright on the left corner just like your picture.
I have the same issue on white notifications. Annoying but considering first gen of this type of display...if in future models I'm sure they will have a higher quality one in future.
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Went to the T-Mobile store to compare my phone to the display model. After playing with the phones I could see that my second screen display was in fact brighter on the left edge than the display model, so I'll be exchanging mine as well. Hopefully, I get a better one but at the moment I'll have to wait, since they are sold out. It was such a pain in the ass to get the sales associate to see the difference. Unfortunately, she couldn't but when she called someone else over they agreed that it was brighter.
I started a new thread about the dimming of the second screen(probably shouldnt have after reading here). Has anyone figured out how to make the display brighter again with the screen off? I can hardly see it in a lit room..
Thankfully the set I have (HK Dual Sim V10, H961N) has very very slight, almost unnoticeable bleed for the 2nd screen
I exchanged mine yesterday. That top left of BOTH screens was horrible. We went through 5 devices and every single one had some sort of bleed. I picked the one that had the least, and none on the main display. I'm sure LG will revise the HW and fix the issue but anytime you pick up a device with new tech expect some sort of issue.
Mine bleeds a little, but I really don't care.
Hey guys so I just picked up my LG V10 2 days ago, I knew there were some issues with light bleed on the upper left corner of the 2nd screen but I crossed my fingers and hoped for the best.
The first night I had the 2nd screen off, however last night I decided to give it a try since it seemed like an elegant idea to have on this phone.
In the darkness of my bedroom the light bleed from the upper left was utterly atrocious, it actually fans out and extends into the other screen to about where the notification bar is (this is with the main screen off). The light bleed is also quite bright at night, it is very visible from across the room and really destroys the user experience.
I'll update with photos this evening as I want to know if other users have a significant problem or it's something that happens on every few phones and I can exchange for a unit that hopefully has less bleeding.
I'd love your feedback on how the 2nd screen bleeding WITH MAIN SCREEN OFF is for you especially in a dark room.
Yeah mineb does exactly that..doesnt really bother me too much
If you're in a very dark or completely dark room, you're going to notice light bleed. It's unavoidable with LCD technology. Mine also bleeds a bit into the regular display. Look at the screen directly (not at an angle) and it should look a little better. Angles produce worse backlight bleed - you're going to notice when you're laying in bed and look over at the phone and see the backlight bleed being a lot worse.
The big concern is if the backlight is actually bleeding in normal day-to-day conditions. On my first phone, I noticed in the STORE that the upper left corner of the notification bar was brighter than the rest of the screen. It had backlight bleed bad up there to the point if it being visible in daylight on colored portions of the screen. Exchanged it for another phone on the spot and it looks completely fine now. In most conditions the second screen appears to be floating because your eyes are adjusted to the brighter ambient light and can't see the poorer contrast ratio of an LCD compared to an AMOLED. At night though, you will definitely see that the second screen would have been executed better if LG would implement OLED in their flagship phones.
I see a little bleed on the left edge of the second screen, when the main screen is off, but it doesn't bother me. I kind of like that the notification icon is brighter than the rest of the second screen because it helps me notice that I have a notification, especially since the phone has no notification LED (shame). The second screen is not important to me, plus I don't see the bleed when the main screen is on which is when I'm actually spending significant time on the phone.
There reason you see bleed is because the second screen has a dedicated white LED on the left edge that's separate from the main panel backlight and positioned to "inject" light from the side without being properly integrated with the panel's backlight diffuser. This is why you'll see this, to varying degrees, on every unit. When you're in a well-lit room with the main screen on, the second screen looks perfect, because that secondary LED is off when the main screen is on. Also, the second screen auto-dims based on the amount of ambient light, so you might see the bleed on the "high" mode when you first turn off the main screen, but not when it dims down to the "low" mode after a while. Maybe they'll introduce a new hardware revision that repositions the second screen edge LED or does something else to limit its bleed. We'll know in 1-2 months when the next batch of V10s hits the stores.
I replaced my V10 twice because it had yellow bleed at the BOTTOM of the screen by the navigation buttons and that annoyed me as hell, since it affects the colors of everything I do, especially watching movies. All three had second screen bleed. What was particularly interesting is that each had a different color temperature screen. My first one was reddish, the second one was blueish (like the G4), and my current one is greenish, it actually looks exactly like the Nexus 6P screen (I put them side by side to compare).
I'll agree with Nitemare3219's and siraltus' observations and comments. When the main screen is on nothing is really noticeable. When the main screen is off I have the second screen off. It's so dim I don't see the point to having it on. The second screen is a bit of a gimmick. If I had additional issues I might think of exchanging it (still have 10 days), but I don't notice any other screen issues, and my fingerprint reader works...with a case. Every LCD screen I've had has had some sort of bleed. The problem starts if it is noticeable during normal use/viewing.
Mine slightly lights up the whole right corner 1/5th down the screen, only visible in a dark room. I dont get bleed from the right like ive seen in pictures and youtube.
It's only noticeable when it's pitch black and my main screen is off, so it doesn't bother me at all. It's not noticeable any other time.
First the second screen has already become a staple of my use habits, it's no gimack. Yes bleed is there when main screen is off, no I don't like it, but don't feel it's as big an issue as some make it out to be. That's just me though, I can see it bothering some.
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It's only noticeable when it's pitch black and my main screen is off, so it doesn't bother me at all. It's not noticeable any other time.
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Same, the light bleed is noticeable in the dark, but not bothersome. It is not nearly brought enough to light up my room at all, and is very slight in the upper left corner of the second screen. For the usefulness of the second screen with my usage, it's an ok trade off for me.
If your not happy with it and your within the 20 days id return it. I did return my initial one and my second one is better with less bleed.
my bleeding is always noticeable but especially on dark rooms,
I posted the pictures here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v10/help/consider-exchange-problems-t3245822