Hello,
I would like to Root my S II and I have some questions before I do it:
If I install a ROM, do I really have to factory reset before that? If yes, why? and Can I back up all application data easly?
Can I remove the TouchWiz home and get the google's stock one?
What can "brick" my phone?
How big danger risk does it have?
Is it worth it?
I hope I get answers to these questions.
1) Yes. Because previous rom installations can often leave behind stuff that won't play nice with your new rom. Always do a wipe when moving from a TW rom to an AOSP rom & vice versa, always do a wipe when going from one Android version to another. Always do a wipe if the flashing instructions for a particular rom say do a wipe.
Yes, backup your application data with Titanium Backup Pro (but not system apps/data). You can also use Ti to backup call logs & SMS's.
2) If you mean launchers, you can use whatever launchers are compatible with the rom you're wanting to use. This will vary; look/ask in the thread devoted to the rom.
3) Any flash (either Odin or CWM) has the potential to brick your phone. If you
ensure you know what you're doing before you do it, the risk for any individual flash is very very small. You cannot completely remove this risk.
4) I answered this in 3.
5) If you're asking 'is it worth it (rooting) ?, you should be first asking yourself the question 'Why do I want to root my phone ?' If you can't answer that question, the risks involved may not be worth it, because that shows you don't really know what you're doing at this point. Don't do anything to your phone until you do know exactly what you're doing. Ignoring this tends to lead to busted phones. And I've seen probably thousands on here over the past 2 & a bit yrs.
If you really can't answer the question or you find all the guides/tutorials on here too hard, I'd suggest you leave your phone stock. 'Because it's cool' isn't really much of an answer (there's nothing cool about it; technically speaking, it's rather boring).
Now then, if you're up for a lot of reading & learning, there are threads stickied near the top of Q&A & also an index of guides/tutorials stickied near the top of General you should be reading.
MistahBungle said:
1) Yes. Because previous rom installations can often leave behind stuff that won't play nice with your new rom. Always do a wipe when moving from a TW rom to an AOSP rom & vice versa, always do a wipe when going from one Android version to another. Always do a wipe if the flashing instructions for a particular rom say do a wipe.
Yes, backup your application data with Titanium Backup Pro (but not system apps/data). You can also use Ti to backup call logs & SMS's.
2) If you mean launchers, you can use whatever launchers are compatible with the rom you're wanting to use. This will vary; look/ask in the thread devoted to the rom.
5) If you're asking 'is it worth it (rooting) ?, you should be first asking yourself the question 'Why do I want to root my phone ?' If you can't answer that question, the risks involved may not be worth it, because that shows you don't really know what you're doing at this point. Don't do anything to your phone until you do know exactly what you're doing. Ignoring this tends to lead to busted phones. And I've seen probably thousands on here over the past 2 & a bit yrs.
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Thanks!
1) Doesn't Titanium Backup cost? Can It backup anything else that app data and call logs?
2) I don't mean launchers (avaivable from google play) really, Those drain battery faster (I think). I want to remove TouchWiz and get the google's stock launcher, style, everything.
5) That was a joke question. I should know it myself.
tonkku107 said:
Thanks!
1) Doesn't Titanium Backup cost? Can It backup anything else that app data and call logs?
2) I don't mean launchers (avaivable from google play) really, Those drain battery faster (I think). I want to remove TouchWiz and get the google's stock launcher, style, everything.
5) That was a joke question. I should know it myself.
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1) You can use the free version as well, although there are missing features in there.
2) If you want to get rid of Touchwiz, use a non-Samsung-based rom, or have a look for Chameleon rom.
Donnie Sins said:
1) You can use the free version as well, although there are missing features in there.
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What features are missing?
tonkku107 said:
What features are missing?
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Use super back app for backing app call logs , contacts ,message ..
Very handy imo
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tonkku107 said:
What features are missing?
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Just read the info in the Play Store. I'm not the developer
Thanks everyone for replying!
I would like to know what rooting guide worked for you. (best)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1501719 I want to know for sure is that REALLY a good quide.
and was that ClockWorkMod to overclock, or what was it?
1) clockworkmod is not used to over clock your ROM.....that is controlled by a custom kernel.
2) the rooting method in your link is how I rooted my phone when I was on stock ICS......There *may* be a risk when using that method....basically you DON'T want to do any cwm wiping after using this method to root until you have flashed a custom kernel on top of it. Search for and read about "emmc brickbug" to find out why.
3) Titanium Backup is one of the most useful apps that anybody running a rooted phone can buy......TOTALLY worth the pocket change to get it......
once you're rooted and running your 1st cusROM, you'll get bitten by the modding bug very quickly and then TiBu will come into its own......
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
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1) clockworkmod is not used to over clock your ROM.....that is controlled by a custom kernel.
2) the rooting method in your link is how I rooted my phone when I was on stock ICS......There *may* be a risk when using that method....basically you DON'T want to do any cwm wiping after using this method to root until you have flashed a custom kernel on top of it. Search for and read about "emmc brickbug" to find out why.
3) Titanium Backup is one of the most useful apps that anybody running a rooted phone can buy......TOTALLY worth the pocket change to get it......
once you're rooted and running your 1st cusROM, you'll get bitten by the modding bug very quickly and then TiBu will come into its own......
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
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modding bug? And, I should root, install a custom rom, and then I can/need to wipe?
If you use your linked method to root, you'll have a 'temporary' CWM that some say it'd be best NOT to use for wiping......
You need to do things in this order.....
1) root your phone with the method in your link.
2) install a custom kernel zip using the temporary CWM installed at stage 1.
3) use the permanent CWM that will be installed at stage 2 to do the wipes.(VERY important when moving from stock to custom).
4) use CWM to flash your chosen ROM.
You can bypass steps 1 & 2 by simply using Odin to directly flash the custom kernel.......the choice is yours.....
The most popular custom kernels are siyah or dorimanx.....it shouldn't matter too much which one you choose as it'll be overwritten when you flash the ROM.....flashing the kernel is just a 'means to an end'......
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
keithross39 said:
If you use your linked method to root, you'll have a 'temporary' CWM that some say it'd be best NOT to use for wiping......
You need to do things in this order.....
1) root your phone with the method in your link.
2) install a custom kernel zip using the temporary CWM installed at stage 1.
3) use the permanent CWM that will be installed at stage 2 to do the wipes.(VERY important when moving from stock to custom).
4) use CWM to flash your chosen ROM.
You can bypass steps 1 & 2 by simply using Odin to directly flash the custom kernel.......the choice is yours.....
The most popular custom kernels are siyah or dorimanx.....it shouldn't matter too much which one you choose as it'll be overwritten when you flash the ROM.....flashing the kernel is just a 'means to an end'......
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
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Just to make sure I got it: I do that everything on the same time on recovery mode without booting my phone? (does it even matter)
I found this guide with odin: http://technoxone.com/mobile/android/how-to-root-samsung-galaxy-s2-i9100-easy-steps Is it safer?
Is a Custom "OS" a kernel? Witch of those did you take?
Again questions... I must ask questions in case I do something wrong...
Don't worry about asking questions........it's better to ask and get it right than to NOT ask and turn your phone into a paperweight. I don't mind answering questions if you're prepared to search, read and learn as well.
The kernel can be installed separately to the OS......while most custom ROMs include a kernel with the package, the kernel in itself is a separate part of the software.....in simple terms, the kernel is what allows the hardware to talk to the OS......it's what makes the phone/OS do what you want when you touch the screen.
With regards to the link in your last post, having read some of the comments, there seems to be some 'worry' about the compatibility of the kernel download that the author provides for use. Another point to think about.......
XDA is the primary source for information and tools in the Android community. Most other websites get their information here, and some don't display/use it correctly.....some time ago, I saw a number of threads where people said they'd followed the instructions on another website and ended up with bricked phones.......
There are guides 'stickeyed' at the top of the various S2 sections here on XDA that tell you EVERYTHING you need to know......take a look and find out the info you need.....right here.....
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
keithross39 said:
Don't worry about asking questions........it's better to ask and get it right than to NOT ask and turn your phone into a paperweight. I don't mind answering questions if you're prepared to search, read and learn as well.
The kernel can be installed separately to the OS......while most custom ROMs include a kernel with the package, the kernel in itself is a separate part of the software.....in simple terms, the kernel is what allows the hardware to talk to the OS......it's what makes the phone/OS do what you want when you touch the screen.
With regards to the link in your last post, having read some of the comments, there seems to be some 'worry' about the compatibility of the kernel download that the author provides for use. Another point to think about.......
XDA is the primary source for information and tools in the Android community. Most other websites get their information here, and some don't display/use it correctly.....some time ago, I saw a number of threads where people said they'd followed the instructions on another website and ended up with bricked phones.......
There are guides 'stickeyed' at the top of the various S2 sections here on XDA that tell you EVERYTHING you need to know......take a look and find out the info you need.....right here.....
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
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ok, so the chameleon OS that Donnie Sins told about has a custom kernel? Do you know better custom roms than chameleon?
I'm going to go read EVERYTHING I need to know...... right here.......
Yes.... Chameleon (the same as any other custom ROM has a custom kernel) it won't be as heavily customized as some are.....chameleon ROM is a 'hybrid' ROM..... that is to say it is a stock based ROM with custom tweaks and modifications included........
Some custom kernels will allow things like under volting and overclocking and a whole host of other 'non standard' functions.....
This might be my S2 or it might be my W, but it's definitely CM...
I want to post this in the development forum but I can't since this is a new account. So, I want to ask does this rooting method ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065581 ) work for JB stock rom I9100GDXLS2 on my GT-19100G?
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Some custom kernels will allow things like under volting and overclocking and a whole host of other 'non standard' functions.....
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what custom kernels have those?
And you didn't answer to this?:
tonkku107 said:
Just to make sure I got it: I do that everything on the same time on recovery mode without booting my phone? (does it even matter)
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[A]zan said:
I want to post this in the development forum but I can't since this is a new account. So, I want to ask does this rooting method ( http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2065581 ) work for JB stock rom I9100GDXLS2 on my GT-19100G?
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Doesn't any rooting method support any rom?
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Doesn't any rooting method support any rom?
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Well, I don't really know the flexibility of the other rooting method. But, this method, I've read some post that it does not work with some stock rom.
Hellooo...
Should I also install gapps?
What's the thing to overclock?
Can someone link a rooting method with odin if it's more stable?
And please answer the questions a bit on top
Related
I am brand new
Which ROM?
R there any ICS ones?
WOuld love to hear ur thoughts
Thank you
Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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Will do. Thanks!
screamworks said:
Seriously, if you don't know whether or not there's even an ICS ROM available yet, maybe you shouldn't be flashing a $600+ phone, yeah? Or, you know... use the search tool?
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+1
you should try with stock rom for a while, start reading about flashing roms and you will be ready to flash
I know it's annoying to have to wait, but it's better to do it, than wind up with a potentially ruined device.
@benyben123
I suggest trying out Checkrom 4.0. It is very stable
Stock ROM but ROOTED and your' good to go..................friendly recommendation
Dude, if You just got Your phone and don't know what rom to choose at first learn the device. You don't need neither custom rom nor root. These are just addons for great device. It's common that people don't use their device but play with it and it ends badly. You assumed that any rom is good apart from stock but stock rom is very good. Also You don't need to root it instantly. Some say that "phone is unusable in non rooted state" - it's bull s**t. Apps that require root are designed to meet very specific needs, not for regular users. It's because android is veery advanced and allow many things without administrator privileges (this is not an iphone !). Remember - people think that root is "something everyone should do at once" - no it's not, and it's very dangerous in hands of unexperienced user. One false move with root privileges and You will start learning many things about flashing at once just to recover your device. Also remember that this is not another "application privilege". App with root privs is capable of wiping entire system in a seconds including IMEI data etc.
It's really friendly advice - leave Your phone as it is for now, learn how it works, install some apps and read as much as You can. Then You will know what your device is capable of and what can be achieved by rooting / flashing kernels or roms. Flashing without a reason, just for fun is stupid and ends with full pants.
Regards
Slig
Thank you all for all your responses!!! Much appreciated!!!
Official MIUI without a doubt. The best ROM I've used on any device.
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Fredriksen said:
Official MIUI without a doubt. The best ROM I've used on any device.
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But is MIUI even supported? Isn't it ported (which means its not so good, but only kinda?)
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But is MIUI even supported? Isn't it ported (which means its not so good, but only kinda?)
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...another thing worth to read about. What do You mean by supported ? It's supported by it's designers.
For SGS2 we have custom ROMs like CheckROM - modified Samsung officials, added some tweaks, apps, removed less usable apps. And ROMs like MIUI or CyanogenMod - they are AOSP (android open source project) and have little in common with Samsung official firmware, ex. no TouchWiz so some Samsung specific apps will not work on them. According to Wikipedia - MIUI is based on CM7.1 sources.
MIUI is not "ported", it's prepared for many devices including SGS2.
Don't do *anything* until you've done a *lot* of reading. Enjoy the phone. It's a fantastic device simply running stock firmware.
Once you're comfortable enough to be able to do it in your sleep (And not before. If you have to ask questions about this, you're not ready. It is an absolutely simple process), root your phone using a CFRoot kernel.
This will enable you to remove/freeze all the crap telcos/Samsung put on the phone and all the other joyful things that come with having a rooted phone. And do a lot more reading. Only this time read the threads devoted to the various roms/kernels. Read other users experiences with these. The features. Pluses. Downsides. Ask specific questions about them in these threads.
From there, you can make an informed decision about a rom/kernel combo to try. Believe me, if you do a couple of weeks of reading/research before you do anything, you'll reap the rewards.
If you jump in the deep end without understanding what you're doing, you could end up with a soft brick that might take you a few days to fix at best. Or returning the phone to Samsung /potentially having to pay to have it repaired out of your own pocket at worst.
Just a few things to consider
Hey folks,
I just bought the white international SGS II and i'm loving it!
I previously had an Infuse 4g, so I am pretty experienced with flashing/backing up/ restoring...but I have questions/concerns regarding the I9100.
I am about to try out the CM9 Unstable, so I backed my current stock ROM up using CWM Manager 3.0 (I am on CF-Root 5.0) onto my Internal SD, as I do not have an external SD card.
Now, I have had bad experiences with CM7 with Infuse and ended up not being able to restore due to many problems like MD5 mismatch, different CWM version, and problems while restoring ( I think it said something like devblock??)
So I'm pretty worried about not being able to restore back to the backup i just made.
So correct me if I'm wrong folks,
1) Go into CWM, flash CM9(once? twice?), Gapps, Faceunlock,
2) Data wipe/factory reset
3) Reboot
and should I choose to restore back to the stock Rom backup,
just go into CM9's recovery and restore..?
will this method give me problems restoring? will I have different versions of CWM recovery from the one I have currently? Is there any way to check if my back up was made properly?
Thanks a lot folks! Appreciate it!
Edit: "Make sure you're already running ICS bootloader (if not, go to SamMobiles and flash XXKP2 bootloader)". Is this necessary? Cus I have seen some folks say that they've not and was fine installing CM9.
First the procedure:
1. Wipe
2. Install CyanogenMod 9
3. Reboot
4. Install CyanogenMod again
5. Install gapps and face-unlock
Worked for me every time.
Your backups should work unless there were errors while creating them.
If you want some more safety, you can create a new backup after flashing the Siyah-kernel. The latest version uses the same version of ClockWorkMod as CyanogenMod 9.
Whether you need to flash the bootloader or not, depends on whether you already have it or not. I'm running galnet-MIUI and already had the bootloader installed. I don't know how to tell if you have it.
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Ok...
I did further research and found out that Nandroid backup backs up everything EXCEPT the kernel.
I'm pretty sure that CM has its own kernel...but will it be CWM 5.0.2.7(the one i made backup in.)?
If it's not, the correct steps for me to restore my nandroid back up is to
1)boot into download mode from CM9,
2) put the cf-root kernel that i used in the ODIN PDA, flash,
3) turn off phone, reboot into CWM, then restore my nandroid back up right??
Can anyone please confirm this method??
I only have this phone and I cannot risk soft-bricking or hard-bricking this beautiful device.
Thanks in advance!
Also, i made a back up in blue recovery of CWM 5.0.2.7..does that matter?
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First the procedure:
1. Wipe
2. Install CyanogenMod 9
3. Reboot
4. Install CyanogenMod again
5. Install gapps and face-unlock
Worked for me every time.
Your backups should work unless there were errors while creating them.
If you want some more safety, you can create a new backup after flashing the Siyah-kernel. The latest version uses the same version of ClockWorkMod as CyanogenMod 9.
Whether you need to flash the bootloader or not, depends on whether you already have it or not. I'm running galnet-MIUI and already had the bootloader installed. I don't know how to tell if you have it.
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thanks for the reply,
so I must have the ICS bootloaders in order for CM9 to work?
ooo siyah kernel method... that makes it easier! haha thanks so much!
I will proceed to do that!
btw, how is CM9 working for you?
do you think you'll be able to use it as a daily driver now that NITZ is gone??
1. Afaik cwm backs the kernel up and restores it too. (afaik = 99.9% sure, in this case)
2. CyanogenMod ships with its own kernel.
3. The kernel is not cwm. ClockWorkMod is just the recovery that is integrated into the kernel. CyanogenMod 9 has cwm-recovery 5.5 (Siyah too btw)
4. You don't need to use download-mode to restore.
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You must have ICS-bootleggers. He did not say that for fun xD.
Is it suitable as daily driver for me?
Nope.avi
Why?
Accelerometer is unresponsive, so it takes forever to flip your screen.
Battery drainage is horrible.
Camera isn't working properly.
And the biggest no-go for me:
The device gets way to hot when using it.
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You must have ICS-bootleggers. He did not say that for fun xD.
Is it suitable as daily driver for me?
Nope.avi
Why?
Accelerometer is unresponsive, so it takes forever to flip your screen.
Battery drainage is horrible.
Camera isn't working properly.
And the biggest no-go for me:
The device gets way to hot when using it.
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alright,
thanks for the information!
I'll flash the Siyah kernel
Btw,
Flashing CM9 Zip does not flash the ICS bootloader right?
so then if I want to restore to my GB 2.3.5, would I need to flash GB bootloaders before restoring via Odin??
If the zip would flash the loaders, he wouldn't have mentioned it.
They're backwards-compatible.
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If you need to make a post in the Q&A forums about flashing CM9, then you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flashing it. It is in very much a beta stage and there is a very high possibility it will **** your phone up even if you have done nothing wrong. If that happens you need to be the sort of person with enough experience to solve the problem by themselves. If you are asking questions before you've even flashed it then really, it's not for you. Use CM7, at the moment it's better than CM9 in every single way.
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If you need to make a post in the Q&A forums about flashing CM9, then you are definitely not the sort of person who should be flashing it. It is in very much a beta stage and there is a very high possibility it will **** your phone up even if you have done nothing wrong. If that happens you need to be the sort of person with enough experience to solve the problem by themselves. If you are asking questions before you've even flashed it then really, it's not for you. Use CM7, at the moment it's better than CM9 in every single way.
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It's not thaaaaaaaaat bad. I mean, he won't be able to brick the device through cwm.
If he doesn't ask, he will never learn and it's always better to ask twice than to break something.
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Thank you sniper =) really appreciate the support.
Ive been flashing and restoring before with my infuse 4g. Just sometimes ran into problems with restoring with diff CWM versions and stuff. This phone is very precious(expensive) so i thought i would learn it for sure before i attempted anything.. thanks anyways for sharing your opinion!
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It's not thaaaaaaaaat bad. I mean, he won't be able to brick the device through cwm.
If he doesn't ask, he will never learn and it's always better to ask twice than to break something.
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I couldnt agree more... i think people here on XDA need to stop trying to be all hot **** saying Oh you asked a question your a noob... in reality most ppl here want to ask the same question but dont because afraid of getting *****ed out... and when someone else asks... try to be badass and put the person down...
Iv used a Galaxy S and a Moto Atrix and now a S2... flashed the life out of each phone along with all kinds of stuff and mods... yet i would have wanted to ask these same questions before flashing hence googled and found this thread... So thanks to those that replied as well... i was about to flash ics till i read this and guess imma hold back now even more...
But again i think people here need to calm the hell down... a person asks a question in the thread and you call them a 'noob' and what not... a person asks a question in the Q&A section and again you tell them off... stop being such anal retentive trolls...
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I couldnt agree more... i think people here on XDA need to stop trying to be all hot **** saying Oh you asked a question your a noob... in reality most ppl here want to ask the same question but dont because afraid of getting *****ed out... and when someone else asks... try to be badass and put the person down...
Iv used a Galaxy S and a Moto Atrix and now a S2... flashed the life out of each phone along with all kinds of stuff and mods... yet i would have wanted to ask these same questions before flashing hence googled and found this thread... So thanks to those that replied as well... i was about to flash ics till i read this and guess imma hold back now even more...
But again i think people here need to calm the hell down... a person asks a question in the thread and you call them a 'noob' and what not... a person asks a question in the Q&A section and again you tell them off... stop being such anal retentive trolls...
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Most people should not flame some one as long as they show they have at least tried to look for an answer first. Yes we were all new at one time but we all learned.
Like you said you Googled and found your answer. Not that hard.
Think it's bad now. Should have seen it a few years ago. Lol clutter up the threads with questions that the answers were found with a search. You got warned. Do it twice and you went on vacation for a few days to learn how to search. So the next time you think people are being too hard. Remember it is not as hlbad as it was.
When I search for the answer, I ended up here.
are these considered ICS bootloaders? If not, when would you flash them, because they are completely unmentioned in any of the instructions or FAQs
CWM flashable Modems:
XXKP8 Modem: http://www.multiupload.com/64J2P1MZL6
XXKP4 Modem: http://www.multiupload.com/NYUYFOT1ST
This was so much easier on my other phones and my Skyrocket... but Girlfriend is jealous and wants here ATT Galaxy S2 i777 up to a newer rom. Her phone is running the latest UCLE5 ICS from OTA. I just used ODIN to gain root using the stock kernel and all is still well except no clockwork. I'd like to get clockwork from the most factory kernel I can so I can snap a nandroid of the phone exactly as it is today, settings, apps backgrounds etc. This gives me a restore point to bring her back to if she decides running cutting a cutting edge rom is too annoying for her, and hence by proxy for me.
So on my Skyrocket, I just used ODIN to get CWM, nandroid and done, no root or anything.... whats the equivilent for the S2 i777 given the same requirement?
Thanks.
Once I've got a good nandroid, I'll wipe and move on with the hostile operations.
BTW, I did look at all he kernels but most all seem to have some nuance to them - I just want a CWM update to start that is ultimately as non intrusive as possible.
SoCalHTCFuze said:
This was so much easier on my other phones and my Skyrocket... but Girlfriend is jealous and wants here ATT Galaxy S2 i777 up to a newer rom. Her phone is running the latest UCLE5 ICS from OTA. I just used ODIN to gain root using the stock kernel and all is still well except no clockwork. I'd like to get clockwork from the most factory kernel I can so I can snap a nandroid of the phone exactly as it is today, settings, apps backgrounds etc. This gives me a restore point to bring her back to if she decides running cutting a cutting edge rom is too annoying for her, and hence by proxy for me.
So on my Skyrocket, I just used ODIN to get CWM, nandroid and done, no root or anything.... whats the equivilent for the S2 i777 given the same requirement?
Thanks.
Once I've got a good nandroid, I'll wipe and move on with the hostile operations.
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You have to flash a zimage from a kernel using Mobile odin. Google how to flash custom binaries without ever incrementing the flash counter i 777 and the first one should be correct
Bleh
I read that thread and understand the concepts, but its covered in bold red warnings "You must use a Gingerbread kernel!". At all the important steps. It seems much of the documentation is very Gingerbread centric.
SoCalHTCFuze said:
I read that thread and understand the concepts, but its covered in bold red warnings "You must use a Gingerbread kernel!". At all the important steps. It seems much of the documentation is very Gingerbread centric.
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Pretty sure it means you have to download one. Ah but you are on ics. Well with root back up your stuff, flash stock gb, go back to that thread and follow the directions!
Bleh
122ninjas said:
Pretty sure it means you have to download one. Ah but you are on ics. Well with root back up your stuff, flash stock gb, go back to that thread and follow the directions!
Bleh
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If all he wants is a custom ROM. Just flash any kernel with CWM, and flash the ROM of choice
There is no point backing up stuff, flashing a different ROM, then flashing a kernel to get CWM. God the root process is a joke as listed.
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I'll even explain more. The reason its listed as "must flash GB Kernel" is because when it was written, thats what we had for a system.
System, as in the phone, will not boot up if you flash a kernel from a different android version. But will have no effect on CWM functions
I guess maybe thats the basis of my question... which kernel with CWM would be the best choice to load, since its a point of no return, in order to capture an initial nandroid of the phone exatcly as it is today with only root, before I pursue more hostile rom updating.
I just want to have a nandroid restore point to come back to so the phone is just like it is this very minute(or as close to as possible), not a clean wipe of ICS, but exactly as it is today.
The optimal choice would be the factory ICS kernel with CWM but that doesnt seem to exist.
Once I get that, then all holds are lifted and I can load one rom after the next until we have a winner. I'm no stranger to CWM. If she decides she liked it better as it was before I started, nandroid restore, and I can continue playing with my skyrocket on CM10-JB-SKY
There is no factory kernel with CWM.
Could grab an ICS kernel that has CWM, and flash that, boot into recovery and take a backup. but that dont help on stock kernel, becuase to get that you need Odin. and that should wipe data away flashing it.
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There is no factory kernel with CWM.
Could grab an ICS kernel that has CWM, and flash that, boot into recovery and take a backup. but that dont help on stock kernel, becuase to get that you need Odin. and that should wipe data away flashing it.
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Odin wont wipe data
Oh, and ROM manager is a no go here. (Not CWM you not into, the app, ROM manager)
Clay
Team Pirate
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SoCalHTCFuze said:
I guess maybe thats the basis of my question... which kernel with CWM would be the best choice to load, since its a point of no return, in order to capture an initial nandroid of the phone exatcly as it is today with only root, before I pursue more hostile rom updating.
I just want to have a nandroid restore point to come back to so the phone is just like it is this very minute(or as close to as possible), not a clean wipe of ICS, but exactly as it is today.
The optimal choice would be the factory ICS kernel with CWM but that doesnt seem to exist.
Once I get that, then all holds are lifted and I can load one rom after the next until we have a winner. I'm no stranger to CWM. If she decides she liked it better as it was before I started, nandroid restore, and I can continue playing with my skyrocket on CM10-JB-SKY
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As long as the kernel you are flashing has cwm baked in it really doesnt matter because ROMs you will flash from then on will have a kernel packaged with it. So just pick a kernel with cwm and flash. Make nandroid. Flash rom. Profit
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well thats just stupid. Wipe should always be performed when flashing to a different version.
MotoMudder77 said:
well thats just stupid. Wipe should always be performed when flashing to a different version.
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should, but unless using a One Click Odin package, it wont wipe data. just flashing /system, or kernel, wont wipe /data
So, I'm still searching for a tried and true kernel with cwm which doesn't introduce a degradation in stock ICS functionality. Replies still don't seem to understand that a nandroid returning to some degraded kernel is not acceptable nor is wiping back to a stock ROM as that also defeats the whole purpose of creating this fall back plan, with preserving current state. The above is the number one primary requirement. Until that is satisfied, no factory resets or data wipes to new ROMs.
I'm really surprised so few people have any opinion on one kernel over another in relation to the released version of ICS. The skyrocket forum is loaded with kernel variations with pros/cons of each in relation to intended usage. I would think more people here would have experience given the phones popularity.
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SoCalHTCFuze said:
So, I'm still searching for a tried and true kernel with cwm which doesn't introduce a degradation in stock ICS functionality. Replies still don't seem to understand that a nandroid returning to some degraded kernel is not acceptable nor is wiping back to a stock ROM as that also defeats the whole purpose of creating this fall back plan, with preserving current state. The above is the number one primary requirement. Until that is satisfied, no factory resets or data wipes to new ROMs.
I'm really surprised so few people have any opinion on one kernel over another in relation to the released version of ICS. The skyrocket forum is loaded with kernel variations with pros/cons of each in relation to intended usage. I would think more people here would have experience given the phones popularity.
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I really don't know what the hell you're talking about but please tell me you know that this isn't the skyrocket section.
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Wow Nick, way to come in late. This whole thread is about the at&t Galaxy S2. Skyrocket reference was a comparison to quality of peoples posts...
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ATT Galaxy S2 i777 running the latest UCLE5 ICS from OTA, Gained root using [Heimdall][Odin][Stock][Root]UCLE5 Stock ICS with Root.
Which kernel / ver would you recommend to get CWM with the expectation that [Heimdall][Odin][Stock][Root]UCLE5 + "your recommended kernel" would be the permanent daily driver.
Any other ROM updates using CWM could very well be temporary and the above configuration would need to be ready and available using nandroid without loosing any current data.
SoCalHTCFuze said:
So, I'm still searching for a tried and true kernel with cwm which doesn't introduce a degradation in stock ICS functionality. Replies still don't seem to understand that a nandroid returning to some degraded kernel is not acceptable nor is wiping back to a stock ROM as that also defeats the whole purpose of creating this fall back plan, with preserving current state. The above is the number one primary requirement. Until that is satisfied, no factory resets or data wipes to new ROMs.
I'm really surprised so few people have any opinion on one kernel over another in relation to the released version of ICS. The skyrocket forum is loaded with kernel variations with pros/cons of each in relation to intended usage. I would think more people here would have experience given the phones popularity.
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Opinions are frowned on around here. While some forums get away with it, we dont like em.
fact is, that any ICS kernel that works with Touchjizz should work.
We dont tell folks what to flash, you gotta find that on your own.
There are stickies and such that can help you choose.
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Opinions are frowned on around here. While some forums get away with it, we dont like em.
fact is, that any ICS kernel that works with Touchjizz should work.
We dont tell folks what to flash, you gotta find that on your own.
There are stickies and such that can help you choose.
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I understand why opinions might be frowned upon, but as stated in the other kernel thread, factual comparisons are frowned upon too. I'd prefer a factual comparison but in lieu of that the next best thing is an opinion/observation from someone who has already taken the risk. That's kind of the best thing about a community, sharing results. Its too bad this specific forum has lost that while so many others on XDA have not.
So I get any of them should work, but as a developer I also understand that none of them will work entirely the same. So, as far as I can tell, Siyah seems to be the the most popular initial gamble given my criteria... but that's merely an observation given the hundreds of pages of reading what was 99% muddy mindless unspecified chatter.
Thanks for the insight, I do appreciate it, makes me happy this is not my phone
Any of the options here are great. They all offer something different and only the person flashing the ROM/kernel can decide what's best for their needs.
The information needed is in the OP of the ROM/kernel as to what you can expect to experience while using it.
It works for us, and that's what masters. Don't like it? Awesome, you've got a different phone anyhow so it doesn't matter whatsoever.
Clay
Team Pirate
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I am completetly new in this with rooting and everything but I thought I would take a shot at it. Now, practically my only need is for the standard camera app to remain, the samsung regular one. What types of ROMs have that built in? I know that the CM10 does not have it, or is there a way to sideload it?
Only Samsung ROMs have the stock Samsung camera app, it'll never work on anything else. If you like the look of pure Google though your best bet is chamelion rom (http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1847600) however its only android v 4.0.4 (edit its beta 4.1.2). Its stock Samsung but has aokp features
Hmm, I was rather hoping that the CM10 would work. Then I have a second question. Can I root the standard rom I have and add tweaks, mods, remove useless apps etc?
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Hmm, I was rather hoping that the CM10 would work. Then I have a second question. Can I root the standard rom I have and add tweaks, mods, remove useless apps etc?
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Yes. Flash Siyah kernel, and search (or try for yourself) for extra settings in Stweaks you can use. To remove apps you can use Titanium Back up.
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Hmm. Well that seems quite good. In what steps do I root and apply the kernel and what is this CWM that everyone is talking about. And everyone suggest that you back up everything with Titanium. Can I do that even without being rooted?
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Hmm. Well that seems quite good. In what steps do I root and apply the kernel and what is this CWM that everyone is talking about. And everyone suggest that you back up everything with Titanium. Can I do that even without being rooted?
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First read the threads/stickies here and find out the answers to these questions for yourself. Already asked a million times.
And no, you can't use TB without root.
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So what programs are best to use to backup before the whole rooting thing?
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So what programs are best to use to backup before the whole rooting thing?
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I actually don't think there is any app that workes like TB. If there is (which I doubt), I wouldn't know as I always use TB.
But why would you want such a 'serious' back up if you're not going to flash new roms?
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As I said I'm completely new on this and I've read a few threads and articles about it. I don't know what things will wipe my phone and what won't. I'm still deciding between getting CM10 or SlimBean and use another camera app from Android Market or if I just root the phone...
I will need to compare ProCapture and the Stock Camera app firstly and then decide I think.
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As I said I'm completely new on this and I've read a few threads and articles about it. I don't know what things will wipe my phone and what won't. I'm still deciding between getting CM10 or SlimBean and use another camera app from Android Market or if I just root the phone...
I will need to compare ProCapture and the Stock Camera app firstly and then decide I think.
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Especially then it's important you search and read a bit more, so you understand what you are doing.
Why not root your phone and flash a Samsung based rom? In that case you have your stock camera, and you can add a lot of tweaks, mods etc. to your phone.
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This will help you (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vw_za0mQorw) Also the rom I linked to (chameleon) the 4.1.2 will have cyanogenmod features, built on stock Samsung base.
Hello,
I'm really confused should I root my phone or not, I want to have apps like titanium backup, juice defender, screen cast etc. But on the other side I don't want to lose my warranty. So I created some questions that you can answer me to help me decide.
Why should I root?
Is it worth it for some apps?
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom?
Is it hard to do?
Should I install a custom rom ?
Is there any way getting back your warranty?
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week?
Any good guides?
What to do if I brick my phone?
Will I still have all apps?
What are the pro's and con's?
Any more information I need please post.
Hit the Thanks button!
I think you can simplify the questions by asking yourself whether you think you are someone who likes to tinker with their phone and get under the hood a little, or whether you are generally happy with how it's working now and merely curious what all the fuss is about?
You may conclude from either question that rooting is worth a try. It's probably a good idea to have at least a good reason to (such as wanting to install a root-only app like AdAway or having a custom recovery like TeamWin or ClockWork Mod for backups and such, or for installing one of the cool ROMs we have available in these forums).
I was apprehensive the first time I rooted, but now I can't imagine running my phone without it. Especially thanks to the custom ROMs we have here and the many mods and apps that require root/busybox/init.d etc to run. That said, I wouldn't advise rooting to someone else unless they were comfortable with the notion that they might not be covered under warranty anymore, and would have to rely on their own and this community to deal with any problems they might encounter. You can get your phone back to stock ROM and unrooted, with a locked bootloader but I believe it will still indicate at the bootloader that you 'relocked' it, so your provider can tell that it was tampered with and may decide that that's a good enough reason not to honor your warranty. Proceed at your own risk.
As far as the details, no it's not very difficult to root your phone. You need to be marginally competent at running some software on your PC and follow the tutorials available here. There's this tool which makes things very easy, and there's also nloooo's tutorial here if you want to do it more manually which is helpful in learning some of the basics of using adb commands and getting your PC to talk to your phone, etc.
If you follow the instructions in the tutorials you shouldn't brick your phone. You just need to be mindful of what you are doing and don't do silly things like pull the USB cable while it's sending files to your phone. Even then, there's usually ways to recover from those situations. It's hard to actually brick the phone.
Backup your phone, often!
Hope that goes someways towards answering your questions. Good luck!
Reason to root for me:
Adaway - to remove ads temporarily
Sixaxis - to play games with ps3 controller
BetterBatteryStats - to check what prevents deep sleep such as alarms etc
Titanium backup - to backup my stuff just incase something happening to my phone
That's it. If you don't need this I don't think you need to root at all.
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@ dxarch
Why should I root? Ans: Please google. You will get ample number of example why you have to root your phone.
Is it worth it for some apps? Ans: Yes. Most of the apps which benefits need root access.
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom? Ans: You can not install custom rom without having Root access.
Is it hard to do? Ans: Depends on your knowledge. If you follow the processes mentioned in this forum, should not be an issue.
Should I install a custom rom ? Ans: Again your choice. I will prefer to go for Custom ROMs.
Is there any way getting back your warranty? Ans: No, I do not think so.
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week? Ans: That does not matter. I rooted my phone once I came back with my phone from showroom.
Any good guides? Ans: It is available in the forum. Please search.
What to do if I brick my phone? Ans: First you should not face any issues following the guide here. If still bricked then your bad. I have not bricked till days, where I am having very less knowledge in android. Take always backup before doing something unknown.
Will I still have all apps? Ans: Rooting does not delete any apps. You will get the power to delete bloatware and install so many apps those need root.
What are the pro's and con's? Ans: Please refer answer 1.
Any more information I need please post. Ans: Please check this forum. Everything is there..
Hit the Thanks button! Ans: Sorry I can not becoz I am helping you so I should get thanks from you. :laugh:
Best of luck..Gain some knowledge before going ahead with root that will give you more confidence.
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@ dxarch
Hit the Thanks button! Ans: Sorry I can not becoz I am helping you so I should get thanks from you. :laugh:
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The "Hit the Thanks button!" is actually my taptalk signature but no problem...
dxarch said:
The "Hit the Thanks button!" is actually my taptalk signature but no problem...
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No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
KSKHH said:
No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
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Exactly, I rooted every phone I had except this one. I don't have money for a new one and I'm completely satisfied of the function and look (changed everything what I can without root) so it's only up to you if you want a new Rom or root based apps..
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No problem buddy...
One last word..if you having ample money to buy a new phone in case you bricked the present one..then go and play with your phone..Else stay away from root if you are happy with whatever is there...
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What!? I didn't know if i brick it i can't use it anymore. As far as I know you can use a recover.img or RUU... but I'm just a n00b
dxarch said:
What!? I didn't know if i brick it i can't use it anymore. As far as I know you can use a recover.img or RUU... but I'm just a n00b
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Depends on how you bricked it. And if you can flash a recovery.img or RUU, it's not a real brick.
But about the rooting:
I've rooted every device I owned + lots of other devices. It's surely worth it. ROMs make the device so much smoother, and when using atis112's kernel, you'll get the most out of your device. It also removes bloatware, and allows full theming. I don't see any problem with it, except the OTA's. But that's not that hard, you can flash the stock recovery/RUU, and you'll get them back.
In my experience, there's a really small chance of bricking your phone.It's a safe method.
new to rooting
dxarch said:
Hello,
I'm really confused should I root my phone or not, I want to have apps like titanium backup, juice defender, screen cast etc. But on the other side I don't want to lose my warranty. So I created some questions that you can answer me to help me decide.
Why should I root?
Is it worth it for some apps?
Is rooting safer than installing a custom rom?
Is it hard to do?
Should I install a custom rom ?
Is there any way getting back your warranty?
Should I root it because I have the phone only a week?
Any good guides?
What to do if I brick my phone?
Will I still have all apps?
What are the pro's and con's?
Any more information I need please post.
Hit the Thanks button!
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I own Desire X.
May be i am very late in replying but i ll try to answer some of ur questions.
I am new to rooting scene so in case of any wrong information, please correct me.
I will share my experience.
I rooted the phone coz i wanted access to limit my startup items. In addition, rooted phone can give u access to ur device completely.
Tutorial made by nloooo is awesome, otherwise its better you follow the tutorial specifically made by the developer of the product.
TWRP recovery is cool and serves the purpose.
I tried Elegencia ROM and now i am using mySENSE-dx_RC3.0. I really hate all the bloatware in my phone which is te main reason for installing ROM.
Going back to custom ROM is easy (i think), for that u need to have a full backup of ur system in TWRP.
Going to ctock ROM is a bit difficult using RUU as stock ROM in RUU need compatible CID of your phone.
Both these ROMs i mentioned above are are awesome and u can choose any one depending on ur needs. Advantages of Elegencia are that you can choose which software to install through aroma installer while installing ROM. Its light, flawless and cool.
Why i chose mySENSE-dx_RC3.0 is that i really loved Full Sense as compared ti sense lite in stock as well as Elegencia ROM.