Im thinking of using the new easy pay program to get a note 3 but other than the extra gig of ram i dont see much of a spec bump. Is it worth it??
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Im thinking of using the new easy pay program to get a note 3 but other than the extra gig of ram i dont see much of a spec bump. Is it worth it??
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At first, I didn't think so either. Then I played with one, held it, saw the screen... I read the specs again...
Full disclosure: I upgrade a new device once a year, usually at full price. Because I can, and it's my "hobby" that I allow myself a good expenditure on. (and being a father means that I don't get many of those.)
The cpu/gpu is a fantastic combo, slick as deer snot on a doorknob. This thing never stutters on anything. The extra gig of ram really is a contributing factor here.
I still own my Note2, and just for fun I compare screens. World of difference. No joke.
In all, there are a bunch of small things, changes that make this an overall superior device. Everything from the specs to the design to the pen to sensors...
That being said, the Note2 is an awesome device, will be functional for quite some time, it is/was a powerhouse.
And the dev section over at the note2 forum is Filled with awesome. We're (at this point) a smaller community, but several respected and proven devs.
If the cost is a real life concern, hold off. You don't "need" the Note3. But believe me, you want it.
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I had the n3 and s4 previously. N3 has bigger 1080p screen, more ram, more internal memory(32gb), faster processor...it is worth it IMO.
I upgraded from the note 2 to the note 3, it's everything to note 2 should have been. Plainly put, it's just better. Any of the tiny bit of lag you had a note 2 is non existant on the note 3. If you're in the market for one, don't hold back. Then, by the time the note 4 comes out, you can get one for a subsidized price.
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I upgraded from note 2 to note 3 (put the note 2 on my boost account gave my pop y boost s3)
the reasons I upgraded
More internal memory. faster 1080p panel! larger screen. improved pen
and the big one for me. 4k video record.
besides the 4k video record I consider the camera to be a downgrade and its very annoying. pictures don't "seem" as clear on close inspection (nicely lit pictures are fine) poorer low light performance and the big one for me. lower dynamic range which is a real problem in high contrast lighting situations (such as backlit by the sun etc..)
not enough to make me hate it but enough to miss my Note 2. (I take a LOT of pictures when both)
not enough to make me regret the upgrade. its overall much better in every other way. good upgrade.
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I upgraded from note 2 to note 3 (put the note 2 on my boost account gave my pop y boost s3)
the reasons I upgraded
More internal memory. faster 1080p panel! larger screen. improved pen
and the big one for me. 4k video record.
besides the 4k video record I consider the camera to be a downgrade and its very annoying. pictures don't "seem" as clear on close inspection (nicely lit pictures are fine) poorer low light performance and the big one for me. lower dynamic range which is a real problem in high contrast lighting situations (such as backlit by the sun etc..)
not enough to make me hate it but enough to miss my Note 2. (I take a LOT of pictures when both)
not enough to make me regret the upgrade. its overall much better in every other way. good upgrade.
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Yea the cam sucks at close range while trying to take a clear pic and the lights
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Yea the cam sucks at close range while trying to take a clear pic and the lights
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Have you guys dug around in the settings menu? I know a little about photography (I use my DSLR for anything serious), but if you select some of the picture profiles and turn off digital image stabilization, have a look at the EXIF info. The low light shots can be slightly improved, and the aggressive noise adjustments the jpg engine uses can be tamed to some extent. It's a very good sensor, let down by some ham-fisted software after it comes off the sensor. It's not ideal, but it can be remedied to some extent.
The two scenarios that the software likes to aggressively tackle are low light and strong lighting contrasts. Samsung could fix this, and I'm surprised they haven't, as some of their digital cameras produce very good jpg and raw files.
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Have you guys dug around in the settings menu? I know a little about photography (I use my DSLR for anything serious), but if you select some of the picture profiles and turn off digital image stabilization, have a look at the EXIF info. The low light shots can be slightly improved, and the aggressive noise adjustments the jpg engine uses can be tamed to some extent. It's a very good sensor, let down by some ham-fisted software after it comes off the sensor. It's not ideal, but it can be remedied to some extent.
The two scenarios that the software likes to aggressively tackle are low light and strong lighting contrasts. Samsung could fix this, and I'm surprised they haven't, as some of their digital cameras produce very good jpg and raw files.
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Hopefully the next update will fix this..and the dumb transition animation scale setting going back to x1 on developer mode lol
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The note 3 also has a newer CPU and GPU than the note 2, and the note 3's clock speed is up to 2.23ghz. The note 2 is at 1.7ghz I think. Plus the larger screen, better S Pen, newest hardware, high clock speeds, and I read that the note 3 scored 16,000 points higher in Antuntu (I think that's how it's spelled) than the HTC One Max. It's pure awesomeness, lol...
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Like many of you i consider the note the best thing since fire but thats not to say that it cannot get better
heres mh list of things that are a must for the next note
-same eraser technology like on the note tablet
-pen must be able to interact with capacitive buttons...if there are any by then
-finally when hand writing just use pen input... i have it when my finger accidently toches the screen
let me know what u guys want also and heck maybe samsung might read it also...please do jajajajaj
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QWERTY keyboard
I can dream.
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Bigger Screen! Same size device but maybe do away with the touch capacitive buttons and a Quad core
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Same physical size, screen all the way
Quad core lte of course
3000 mah battery
That will do
Larger battery. Even though it had the best life of any phone I have used, it could still be better, and I'm sure there's plenty of extra room to squeeze out a few more mAh. Make it built in if they need to, I could care less about being able to remove it, if it lasts me through a day with heavy usage. I imagine they could fit a monster in the frame of the Note seeing that Motorola crammed 3300 in the maxx.
Full 1080p Super AMOLED+. No pentile, even though it doesn't really bug me all that much on this high def screen, I can still notice a bit.
Carbon fiber unibody frame. Highly unlikely, but if I could have my way with the Samsung R&D team...strong, sexy, and super light.
Quad core Exynos for ****s n gigs. Not really necessary with the current state of most apps and Android in general, but it would make gaming unbelievable. Imagine if they started making games like Battlefield 3 compatible with phones, so that all you need is an HDTV and a Bluetooth controller to play games anywhere. Imagine how that would kill console gaming. Hell, I would drop 60 bucks on the app to be able to bring my gaming to any house I go to, as well as my saved games.
Varying levels of internal storage. If I could have bought a 32 or 64 gig note before a micro sd, I would for sure pounce on that. That would allow some serious game storage without needing an extra card.
Mini hdmi port. Mhl ports work, but in my experience they're mediocre at best. This goes along with my mobile gaming dream.
Wireless charging built in. The powermat was a cool idea, but the fact that you needed to use their stupid case sucked. I would love to plop my phone on my nightstand at night and know it will be charging.
12 MP camera maybe? Idk, the current camera doesn't need much improvement beyond better image processing, faster shutter speed, and better optics. 5 MP front facing with a flash on front.
Make it the Nexus Note. And release that beast as the first Jellybean phone.
Along with that stuff, all of the stuff you listed with the pen. Plus the pen could be sturdier, maybe aluminum? Haha.
I know what I have described would be very expensive, but even if they just made it as a premium model, I would bite hard on it, and probably shell out 500 for it subsidized.
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Doesn't matter, padfone is coming out.
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A Notification LED
2 gig ram quadcore, better gpu and a better screen, for spen recognition
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-bigger battery
-A Tegra 4 Wayne (they release later this year)
-higher res screen. Awesome screen now but I can still see the pixels.
-better s-pen. Now there's lots of bugs
-MOST IMPORTANT THING. Advanced LTE support for whenever they roll it out.
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Better S-Pen integration
Jellybean of course
3D option
Slide out QWERTY keyboard
LED Notification
16 MP back camera, 8 MP front with flash
Quad Core Tegra/Exynos
Micro HDMI
2 GB of RAM
3500 mAH battery
LTE with T-Mobile band support
I think I have just created the perfect phone.
Evidently a new stock keyboard, judging by the OP.
Just kidding!!
[But seriously, get swiftkey, you'll love it]
And I'm serious about the new keyboard - the autocorrection on the default keyboard is annoying at best.
Quad-core, dual channel memory would certainly round it out. And I wouldn't mind going up to 5.5 or even 6 inch screen.
Built in bluetooth earpiece would be great but I don't foresee much of a demand for such a thing - people like choice in that sort of device.
FFF (front facing flash)
Built in kickstand, something simple like evo had, simple but did the trick for skyping.
6" screen
Better spen functionality
Thin her out
Increase battery life
mini hdmi out
NFC that works
But if I were to have but only one feature, I'd make it a nexus straight from google phone so I dont have to deal with all the ATT bloat and feet dragging and BS big updates about bird games.
While i like the initial thoughts of an edge to edge screen, I do like to have an area to grip the phone, so I'd leave it as is with the bezel area.
As for slide out KB, I used to swear by them because of large hands. Went through a couple G1s then MyTouch Slide but eventually I gave it and never looked back.
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3D option
Slide out QWERTY keyboard
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I think I have just created the perfect phone.
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No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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...And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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Careful, its crazy talk like this that will derail a thread into class vs cache debates.
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No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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I thought this was a wish list, not a bash others' wish lists thread.
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No you did not....
Im sorry people i understand LED notifiers but i really just think they're unnecessary.
3D? QWERTY? No thank You. I don't need more bloatware and i had the thrill and never used 3D. Besides it would change the quality of our screen.
16 Megapixel back, 8 Megapixel front camera?! Do you know what you're saying? No person needs a 16 Megapixel camera on their phone. Do you know what editing a 16 mp pic in photoshop looks like? Do you know how big of a picture that is? And although the front can be improved it wouldn't need to be 8 mp. What the camera need is better quality (which does not mean higher mp), and the shutter speed needs to match that of an iphone 4s. (which i hope can be improved with a software update)
And the one thing everyone here missed as far as i saw is more memory. 10gb after the os? Psssshhhshshshshshshhhshshshshshhshshshs
And i hate having to buy high transfer speed sd cards
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I'm sorry my post offended you, but I don't mind reading your opinion. Why do you have to bash mine so badly? I was just making a joke wishlist...
The ability to use a second sd card as ram.
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Top of my list would be a more precise/responsive touch screen, both for finger and pen. Maybe it's an android issue, but I can't stand the. 5sec/.5cm of delay while trying to scroll in the browser. I don't think my iPhone 4s exhibited this. For tthose that have tried out ICS on n7000, is this lag still there or noticeable?
As far as the s-pen goes... c'mon, it's 2012, why does the pen input still feel the same as it did my my HP pocketpc?!?! I'd expect to be drawing/writing on the screen with 0 to non-perceptable lag by now. (In part due to android's non-GPU accelerated GUI?)
More juice please! The new.ipad can cram 12000mah into the battery, can we maybe just have 1/3 of that?? That's a 60% increase, combine with more energy efficient hardware, I won't have to carry extra batteries with me anymore.
-mungwi
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Better battery life.
Less width with the same screen size
=>less bezel width.
Quad-core Exynos processors
Jelly bean OS
FM radio as in the international version
Power button on top
64GB internal memory
Ceramic case
More native apps for S-pen
Universal programmable remote control app
Faster camera
Lower price!
One common global model supporting all carriers => faster development support!
...
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I'm sorry my post offended you, but I don't mind reading your opinion. Why do you have to bash mine so badly? I was just making a joke wishlist...
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I was having a bad day man, Im sorry. I really didn't mean to take it out on you.
But anyway. For further information about the Megapixel Myth here is a good article
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html?pagewanted=all
Oh and another thing the GN2 should have is faster charging of the battery!
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These phones both have great cameras in daylight. There doesn't seem to be enough of a difference to be a reason for wanting one over the other. I had read in reviews that the Note 2 performed better in low lighting, but never found comparison shots. Well, my brother-in-law and I just took some for anyone who may wonder. These were taken at the same time, so the lighting was the same. We also had all our settings at auto, besides the flash being off. The Penguin has a 100 watt equivalent cool white bulb in it so it was very bright, the polar bear is very dim.
The Note 2 definitely handled the bright penguin better. The DNA won in the last picture in color of the light, etc. In the polar bear picture, if you combined the fence coloring of both images, you'd get what I see with my eyes.
First, the DNA
Note 2
Happy to see that the Note 2 is just as good if not better.
The left most picture looks better on the Note to me while the right most looks better with the DNA IMO. Hard to tell which is better without comparing it to the reality I guess.
Just updated the first post describing how we felt. Unfortunately, we don't have a good camera as a third comparison.
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Happy to see that the Note 2 is just as good if not better.
The left most picture looks better on the Note to me while the right most looks better with the DNA IMO. Hard to tell which is better without comparing it to the reality I guess.
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Are you looking at the same pictures we are? The DNA images look better than my Note 2, along with my personal experience also. I have both phones, but I think the DNA wins hands down from what was posted.
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Are you looking at the same pictures we are? The DNA images look better than my Note 2, along with my personal experience also. I have both phones, but I think the DNA wins hands down from what was posted.
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I don't know about that. With bright lights that are directed toward the camera, the Note 2 does a better job. The penguin looks much better with the Note 2. Maybe we'll do a shot or two with car headlights on tomorrow.
This was taken at the zoo at night. It's light projected onto a rock wall. Was completely dark outside. I was the only person to get it with my phone easily. Everyone one else out there was struggling or using dslr camera
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looks to me that the note beats the dna on all of them but the 4th pic
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is it just me or are this attachments not showing up?
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looks to me that the note beats the dna on all of them but the 4th pic
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this is what I see aswell!
I'll call it a draw overall
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I agree that the last pic DNA dealt with the light better.
I had both....gn2 was much better indoors, but the DNA was much better outdoors.
need 100% crops and better controls
I have had both in the past month and can say that camera is one if the reasons I returned DNA. It was good bit not equal. IMO as I take a huge amount of pics if my 2 lil girls. Everything is subjective and settings are a huge variable but both are amazing devices. Other reasons - expandable memory and exchangable battery - were the deal breakers but I did feel slighted by DNA cam. That being said... both were heavy hitters
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The last pictures look relatively equal to me, though the Note 2 could have been affected by the light coming in from the left side a little bit, which isn't visible in the DNA pic. From the looks of it, the Note 2 does better in low light with a single bright source, but in very low lighting, the DNA is better. In reality, I wouldn't use any smartphone to take dark or low-light shots, and would even avoid it if possible on a standard point and shoot.
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Are you looking at the same pictures we are? The DNA images look better than my Note 2, along with my personal experience also. I have both phones, but I think the DNA wins hands down from what was posted.
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dont quit your day job for photography please. lol
I planned to wait for the release of the GS4 active, because the original GS4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the GS4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iPhone 5 and its predecessor, the Galaxy S3. According to the rumor mill, the GS4 active will be a inferior to the original GS4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, I am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
Its not rumor. There has been a video posted of the phone. Those specs are true.
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I think the active is meant to be rugged and banged up a bit.... amazing specs isnt the market they are targeting.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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It's more like a rugged S3/S4 mix, if it were a true rugged S4 it would be without question the phone I'd get, but I prefer high-spec.
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This is my way of thinking. The video leaked shows a dual-core, which is sad. I'd gladly buy the phone if it was basically an S4 with better bodywork.
Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
It's a shame, I was looking forward to this. Guess I'll just end up with a standard S4 and an Otterbox.
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Heck, I'd even buy it if it were waterproof =P
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By the way, it is waterproof
Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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Water resistant. Not water proof
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Disappointed that the specs for the "Active" phone are reduced from the S4. Not sure what to buy now.
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I can't wait to see the S4 Active, my dad needs this phone lol.
I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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I may be bashed for saying this but i don't understand why one would buy a high tech phone and then wanting it full protection. If if you buy this phone you should take care of it (I understand a drop may happen to anybody) but still...is like buying a ferrari and wanting to put rugged tires and take it to a rally race
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People use their phones every day. Often times people need/want to use their phone in the rain, or perhaps it drops in the puddle, there's a hundred reasons why having a water resistant phone is a good thing for most people.
Saw the official announcement from Samsung on the S4 active. Specs look comparable to the S4 except for the camera. Im hoping the Active will be on Vz by July.
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This is my way of thinking.
Clubvegas999
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This is my way of thinking too
Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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Wish the active had the same camera as the s4 :/
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the camera is most likely (don't know for sure but suspecting...) BETTER than the S4.
I've read they increased S4 to 13mp without increasing sensors size.
You've all seen the threads on blurry pics at night, right? One reason why? 13 megapixels, same optics.
More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
I'd rather Samsung use its experience with cameras and optics to provide a REAL increase in image quality via bigger/better sensor, optical image stabilization, etc. Although I just read HDR video came to S4 which is pretty darn cool. And there will be S4 Zoom with an actual zoom lens, also darn cool. That's what I'm talking about. One other thing I wish all phones had was a friggin' lens cover for the camera. Just a little thing that would slide over, maybe not even mechanical, just a little door users could close over it or something. Or at the least I wish case manufacturers would include this, something that slid or buttoned over it. Now I have to use tape.
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
All specs are actually better. It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc. And my fav-- hard buttons.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
There is so much misinformation in this post.
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More megapixels needs more light. Same light, lower brightness for each pixel. Plus that's a huge file and I doubt the sharpness will really increase with extra megapixels on a phone camera.
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Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
Anyway, bottom line -- I think the Active camera will be BETTER especially at night..
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It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
It has an LCD screen which will be much better for a lot of reasons. MUCH brighter, accurate color, no pentile, etc. Work under water, as well as the camera working under water, in the rain, etc.
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Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I'm going to start a thread on Verizon forums on this and try to get in touch with their corporate people to see if I can convince them to bring the S4 Active to Verizon. If they come out with it, i'll buy it off contract in a second!!!!
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I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
Parafly said:
There is so much misinformation in this post.
Megapixel count has nothing to do with how much light they need. It's the sensor that determines how much light is needed. The reason some higher megapixel cameras look worse at night is with the ISO boost you get more grain that is more dispersed across the greater pixel count.
The most important factor in low light performance is sensor size.
And yes, sharpness will absolutely increase with 13mp vs. 8. You have 50% more detail. Keep in mind this really only matters if you are blowing up images on PRINT (it own't make a difference on a 1080p TV since a 2MP image produces a 1920x1080 image, appx.) or if you happen to have a 4k TV
It won't be. The S4 has a better camera, period. The S4 Active uses the same camera as on the Galaxy S3 which is a very good camera, but not as good as that on the S4. From what I have read, they are having supply issues with the S4 camera and want to keep their supply available to build into regular S4's.
Brightness is better but the contrast ratio isn't as good and the blacks aren't as good. This is not a pure win, it's going to be subjective. AMOLED will also have better battery life.
I think it looks like a great phone. I don't know if it's more rugger in terms of drop capabilities - but the waterproof is very cool. I am an avid skier and would love a waterproof phone. Even to use a phone in the rain without worrying about it is nice.
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While you're right in most of what you've said, the way you explained it would make the average user think in blanket terms. Higher megapixel count *does*, in fact, require more light to achieve the same results (in terms of stops of light). The larger the sensor, the less light needed to perfectly meter the shot...but with the same size sensor, the higher megapixel sensor will require more light. That part was not incorrect.
In terms of the actual sensor in the Active, nobody knows what it is. You can't say "it's the sensor from the S3", because not even the review sites have any idea at this point. All that we know is that the Active will have an 8MP sensor...assuming that the sensor is the same size as the one in the S4 (there's no reason not to), it potentially could take better shots. Again, that assumes they won't just switch to a smaller 8MP sensor...but if they don't then this thing could be a great camera for low-light shots, since it'll have wonderful sensor pixel density.
I agree with you on the screen. All other factors aside, I'd rather have an LCD than AMOLED. Being able to see the screen during the daytime on an AMOLED is borderline impossible. Yes, the blacks are a little brighter and the contrast is minutely lower...but AMOLED also has its own share of negatives -- the primary being that the saturation is blown through the roof on most of them, completely destroying color balance and realism in pictures.
To the last point...the biggest thing about this phone is that you just don't have to worry about it as much. While most phones today could be used in the rain without issue (seriously...devices today are made to be pretty resilient on their own), this thing could be used in a downpour. It's less important for when you're actually talking on it and more so when it might be in your pocket and it's being covered in water. With a waterproof device, getting caught in a rainstorm isn't as big a deal because the phone won't have a problem with it. That's *HUGE*.
As long as the screen doesn't look like the one on the xperia z from the waterproofing...
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i planned to wait for the release of the gs4 active, because the original gs4 proved to be very fragile. I do not want to be forced to use a bulky case and the gs4 failed multiple drop tests when compared to the iphone 5 and its predecessor, the galaxy s3. According to the rumor mill, the gs4 active will be a inferior to the original gs4. With rumors floating around that it will only have a dual core processor and an 8 megapixel camera, i am not inclined to buy this phone. What are your thoughts? Do you believe that these rumors hold any truth?
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Okay, okay, I know we have only seen rumors so far on the note 3. But for the first time, a new phone release is right down the pipeline, and I just don't see what is going to make me upgrade. Mind you, this is coming from a phone junkie who in the last year has had the following devices(galaxy nexus, iphone 4s, galaxy s3, iphone 5, note 2).
I was just curious, what does Samsung actually have to do with the note 3 to make you give up the note 2.
For me it will be a better screen. As much as I love my Note2, it SUCKS shweddy balls trying to see the screen in sunlight. Also, I'd like to see what they're doing with the camera/sensor. I no longer lug my dedicated camera around when I go around town because the photos from the Note2 are very nice, but can be improved upon. I've heard it will have 3GB of Ram....so that's another plus.
-IR sensor
-dedicated camera button
-better screen that is visible under bright lighting
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-IR sensor
-dedicated camera button
-better screen that is visible under bright lighting
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YES! Dedicated Camera Button! I do miss that from my Motorola Days!
very true. IR, screen and camera would be nice. If those features are make or break for you then I totally understand the upgrade. It just seems to me that for the 200+ upgrade cost those features would be such a minor upgrade.
Not to mention there most likely won't be a Zerolemon battery for a little while.
If the new camera had some impressive low light capabilities, and maybe some nice front facing speakers on top of the features you both mentioned I might be able to justify it.
It just needs to come out for me to buy it.
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The main thing will be NOT getting shafted by Verizon again.
I want nfc and wireless charging.
Also, a screen that is easier to read in sunlight would be very nice (say what you will about PenTile displays, it is just plain beautiful how well they work in direct sunlight).
I don't want it to be over 6". At 5.5", the Note2 is already about as large as I can comfortably (and safely) carry while on the go. I might go for a 5.7" device, but 6" might actually be too much.
Other than that, I think the Note2 is about as close to perfect as a phone can get. Additional sensors would be cool though, bring us ever closer to a tricorder.
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The main thing will be NOT getting shafted by Verizon again.
Right, but knowing Verizon and its track record...they're going to cram it full of bloat and disable stuff
I want nfc and wireless charging.
NFC is present in the Note2 but Wireless Charging would be awesome. I had the HTC DNA for a few days and loved just laying my phone on the charging pad...had one in the kitchen and one at my desk.
I don't want it to be over 6". At 5.5", the Note2 is already about as large as I can comfortably (and safely) carry while on the go. I might go for a 5.7" device, but 6" might actually be too much.
Maybe the Phone dimensions will stay close to what they are now....a thinner bezel could help and ramp the screen size up while the phone won't get much larger. I think it may get a tad longer but not wider.
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The camera button would be nice, but what would be REALLY awesome is if I could USE THE F&%$ING STYLUS ON THE DAMNED BUTTONS!
Sorry... that drives me insane lol
The unbreakable screen that was rumored a while back would be nice as well
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The camera button would be nice, but what would be REALLY awesome is if I could USE THE F&%$ING STYLUS ON THE DAMNED BUTTONS!
Sorry... that drives me insane lol
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That slipped my mind completely! Although using gmd spen gestures has made it convenient enough for me to perform those functions without using those buttons
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Why front facing speakers isnt standard on all phones; ill never know.
better build quality; i hate that my phone squeaks when i touch it.
s-note being much faster to load stuff.
moe bass.
6" screen; come ON. i wa sso depressed when all the rumors point to a 5.7"...=(
It depends on which of the three screen sizes Verizon is getting and how it is linked to the quality of the device. I would prefer a larger screen then I have now with 1080P. Wireless charging is preferred but I do not expect it. A custom ROM will take care of the bloatware.
1080p, brighter display, optical zoom and image stabilization, bigger battery, bigger screen, IR, front facing speakers, QI, back notification LED, projector.
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All the above and a f m radio.
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Morkai Almandragon said:
The camera button would be nice, but what would be REALLY awesome is if I could USE THE F&%$ING STYLUS ON THE DAMNED BUTTONS!
Sorry... that drives me insane lol
The unbreakable screen that was rumored a while back would be nice as well
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I believe you can do that with the Note 8.0, so I'd be beyond shocked if the Note 3 doesn't include that functionality.
For me, the major thing that would make me want to upgrade is big improvements on the camera front.
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1080p, brighter display, optical zoom and image stabilization, bigger battery, bigger screen, IR, front facing speakers, QI, back notification LED, projector.
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Aren't some of those things a bit of a stretch? Like the projector perhaps?
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Aren't some of those things a bit of a stretch? Like the projector perhaps?
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I doubt most of that will be included, but it's all been in phones before besides optical zoom. 3x optical zoom has been rumored for this device.
as far as the pico projector check out the Samsung Galaxy beam!
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A release date.
1. Be able to jump past Verizon's inevitable BS
2. USB DAC support for Fiio E17 (already works in Android 4.2+ anyways)
3. Wolfson audio chip
4. a.) Exynos based SoC (so none of the fragmented developer support where international versions get most of the love)
b.) Snapdragon-based SoC wouldn't have Wolfson audio, either.
5. 1080p RGB-striped display
6. Will somebody besides CM team integrate the "empty app-mounted directories" fix into the ROMs?
We were lucky with the Note 2. The hardware is the same as the international variants. RGB-striped display and Wolfson audio. Android 4.1.2 doesn't have the completely broke app-mounted directories issue so I can run CIFS. We have the lowest possible unlock thanks to Adam and others.
The Fiio E17 doesn't natively work without the USB Audio Recorder Pro app, but that isn't as big of a deal since the Note II already has the Wolfson DAC.
Camera is huge. If it's better I may bite. The N2 camera is good but man it could be much better.
Thanks HTC for bring a bigger mp camera to a phone that's suppose to be the little brother of the m8.........
http://mobile.theverge.com/2014/5/...tes-the-companys-flagship-phone-in-a-trimmed
...because we're ALWAYS complaining about the MP on our camera when we just upload the photos to instagram and fb..
You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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I'll agree that what smartphone camera is "better" depends on how you in particular use the camera. But just because a camera has more MP, does not make it "better" either. We'll have to wait and see if the camera on the One Mini 2 actually yields better quality images than the M8.
Unless you are blowing up or cropping photos a lot, 13 MP is too much and a joke for a camera phone. High MP smartphone cameras really struggle in low light. And unless you are taking pictures outdoors in broad daylight, its often low light.
I'll agree that HTC probably should not have opted for the dual camera on the M8. Kinda cool at times, but also pretty gimmicky. The money probably would have been better spent improving image quality on the single rear camera (even if not to increase the MP).
It's kinda a slap in the face to a certain degree. Here is the new m8 with the same camera with a secondary camera which is mostly gimmicky while nice at the same time. Then they decide to make the new HTC one mini from a 5 mp camera to a 13MP camera...........
Now will it have better pics? Probably not or probably so. For most people it don't matter, but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8. While the m8 blows the mini in other specs that 13MP camera looks a lot better to somebody who doesn't care to have the latest and greatest specs.
While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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but after being in retail when trying to sell a customer the one the camera is its downside cause on PAPER the 4mp camera doesn't sound good at all compared to the other smartphones out in the market. People will buy the mini 2 because of it has higher mp count than the m8.
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
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While a higher mp count doesn't make a camera phone any better yes, but why bring the same thing to the table for your flagship but have a mid range phone with a better spec camera on paper WHEN it comes to mp count. .
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That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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Unfortunately, Average Joe is always going to fall for that marketing gimmick of chasing big numbers, without having any real understanding of what they mean. How many times have you seen someone with a fancy, big screen 1080p TV; and the owner just has a standard definition program on it; and not even in the right aspect ratio (so the picture is all stretched out to fill the screen). That kinda crap drives me crazy!
I for one applaud HTC for turning their nose up at the megapixel arms race. Its gotten absurd. I mean seriously, do we really need a smartphone with a 41 MP camera? Of course not (I understand its actually a really good camera, but not because its 41 MP).
That is a really good point. Why push a certain marketing strategy (and one that particularly bucks the trend) for one device, then do nearly the exact opposite for another device.
In any case, I don't think that the Mini 2 will really compete directly with the M8. Price point alone, even the Average Joe Blow is going to know its a flagship versus a "budget" phone. Don't know about the One Mini in particular, but for the most part, any HTC phone aside from the "flagship" tends to sell in extremely low numbers. At least here in the US (don't know about other regions).
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The same reason we need 4k Tv's and 2k screen on smartphones. To keep making them money lol! Exactly why say your not going to follow the trend but all your other phones are right in the trend? Lol but HTC could have tried a little harder for the m8 speaking of the camera of course. The phone is rock solid but don't have these commercials making fun of these mp trends and being different when your other devices join right in with today's trends.
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Some of my favorite shots have come from the camera on my M8. In terms of higher quality, I'm actually looking at the Sony G Lens, since it is supposed to take really nice shots, and is $200 at my local best buy.
Some people such as my self want a phone with camera and some prefer cameras that can be used as a phone.
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You can't say that for ALL users. A lot of people don't need a expensive camera to take pics. Especially if you want to use that pic past Facebook etc. All I'm saying is instead of adding a second camera. HTC could have added more to the m8 to help keep it from being the same camera with a second camera. End of the day 4mp camera is a 4mp camera
When I want to use my pics past loading onto social apps. I use my note 3. But if I want to use this pic to upload then yes either my m8 or note 3 will do the job just fine
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If I want to use my pics for something worthwhile, I use my Canon EOS.. otherwise I use a crappy phone camera.
lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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lets all cut the crap. the camera is nice on the M8 and i do agree. to a certain degree. mega pixels don't make the camera. but it sucks for details when blowing up pictures or zooming we dont need 20 mp. but i think we should have something alittle higher
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reviews for the one mini 2 have started surfacing. in ideal conditions it is resolving a lot more detail, by a huge margin. but anything other than ideal and the m8 takes it.
i think the 2.0 pixel size is great and all, but i think we couldve benefited a lot for 1.8 sized pixels and an extra megapixel. that configuration shouldn't lead to a large camera hump.
i'm happy with what i got either way, i do miss the old OIS from my old m7. but whatever, the m8 has proven to be a capable shooter. and my nx300 is always on stand by in case i need a real camera
Any advice on rooting the Mini 2. I receive it tomorrow from carphone warehouse (379sterling.) Has the original Mini gained from official CM11 support thus far?
Any insight on how to root my forthcoming mini 2 and gaining cwm and porting roms would be greatly appreciated.
Does anyone know what phone o could potentially port from for the Mini 2.
How difficult to root and install a custom cwm recovery?
Hello community!
I have just bought the new HTC One Mini 2, it is locked with EE network. It looks like I am unable to get the unlock code anywhere. Do you have any suggestion or advice?
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
So what if it has a camera with higher MPs. That doesn't make it a better phone than m8. Unless HTC comes up with a device having the same internals as the m8 but a better camera resolution, I don't see what is there to fuss about.
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what sucks is having a super light sensitive camera.. while living in Florida. It's always bright unless you paint your windows black.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I'm not so sure that having a more sensitive sensor (while better for low light situations) necessarily means that there will be too much light in bright situations. The camera controls the sensitivity (ISO based on the old "film speed" terminology) as well as the aperture (f-stop). It might be that the automatic exposure that the camera is trying to achieve (balance between ISO, aperture and shutter time) is too bright for your local conditions. In which case, you can manually lower the exposure by tapping the 3-top menu button in the camera app, tap EV and lower the exposure value.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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I've messed with all the settings. I appreciate the feedback though...
Unfortunately, if i have any picture with a bright spot from the sun the whole picture gets washed out. Full indoor is fine and full outdoor is fine. But daytime pictures indoors with sun coming in the window- washed out. Granted- if i still lived in Philly (or most parts of the country) i doubt it would be an issue.
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Any camera will have issues if there are areas in the frame which are very bright, or spotty lighting (mix of bright and darker spots). Or does it seem worse with the phone? Often forcing the focus to a different spot by tapping the screen helps a lot.