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So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
edufur said:
So I have the HBOOT v 1.3 and I am wondering if there is any early knowledge of its value over 1.4?
This also makes me begin to wonder... is there going to be any benefit to waiting and getting S-OFF through HTC? Or is there going to be greater benefit to getting S-OFF through the dev community? I.E., does anyone anticipate that even with HTC flavor of S-OFF, that perhaps they could control things just a little bit? For example, even with S-OFF today on the 4G, we cannot downrev HBOOT after a certain number....
So... we can already see that even with S-OFF, they can restrict certain things.
Are there going to be similar restrictions? Should I ignore all update prompts as I am doing now?
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If HTC gives us what they promised we will merely have a bootloader that is not cryptographically signed. That's it. No root. no s=off. Nothing else.
I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I think you are mistaken. They promised an UNLOCKED bootloader. Unlocked means that no S-CHECK is performed... which means that we can flash recoveries, custom roms, etc.
But... even with today's S-OFF EVO 4Gs, people are not able to flash the older HBOOTs... (not sure why). But this is more to what my question was about. There is an advantage to the ENG hboot on EVO 4Gs. But even with S-OFF, those units still have restrictions of no downrevs after 2.02 i think.
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I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
daneurysm said:
I hope I am mistaken, that would be fantastic.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
erikivy said:
Since the HTC method will likely require that you void your warranty, it might be advantageous to get root under the radar if possible.
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If HTC is willing to play ball on our terms I think it only fair that we play ball on their terms.
...even though I think it is ridiculous.
In fact, without access to a custom recovery and ability to flash whatever I want I'm afraid of screwing up my phone in a way that I can't fix.....someone had a thread earlier about setting 'compatibility mode' off in Spare Parts causing bootloops and a factory reset didn't fix it. I've been there before but I had multiple avenues of recourse...right now I would have nothing I could do to fix that.
Granted, I'm pretty sure that had nothing to do with the problem, but, the point remains.
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Dude... I know you are mistaken. It is all the talk these days... and there are links to HTC's official announcements. When I said "I think," I was just being polite. I really meant to say "I know."
But my original question still stands... anyone have any thoughts about that?
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I've been following this pretty closely for, well, about a month now...I've never heard anything spelled out specifically detailing it in this way.
However I have wondered the entire time what "unlock" means to HTC. We were only asking for the bootloader to not be crypto-signed, though that still means that we need to find an exploit...meaning we asked for open access to...well...more hacking of their software? If they are willing to take the biggest block out of the way, why not the whole kit and kaboodle? So I could see them (rightly) interpreting all of the "unlock bootloadar" demands to mean "give us unrestricted access to everything we need", though the cynic inside me also considered that they would stick to only offering the most specific thing they could--what we asked for. If they are really going to crack these phones wide open for us that really is a monumental statement...it could very well change the direction of this industry (for the better...for the consumer)...
...though that would blow my mind.
Anyone who really wants S-off and root, should definately not take the OTA updates. I've been down this road in the past with other devices. I have a lot more faith in our dev community unlocking this phone then I do in HTC. Just my thoughts.....
hi Guys
since i have the HTC Jetstream almost every few hours i am going to check the Jetstream Development forum to find out if there is any information, new thread regarding the Root & S-off
but now i am feeling that we are going to suffer like when i had Xperia X10 they have take more than 5 months to have root
so i just want to if my feeling is wrong and we can have the root very soon
Im seriously thinking about returning mine because I dont think any one is going to do any real work on it and the only workaround for some of my issues is root access..
It was overpriced.
the unlocked bootloader will become soon so it will be alot easier dor devs to package some sort of easy root package.
i have successfully pushed the superuser.apk and achieved root:root using adb, alot of shell commands, and practically reteaching myself linux programing. still not right though since it wont allow superuser access for certain apps like CWM and one-click un-installer
however it has worked for some homebrew apps a few of my buddies programed.
eitherway, im still trying and it would be 80000000x easier if HTC would just unlock the friggin bootloader already, then some dev smarter then me could package it all up real nice.
till then, i am going to keep trying to unleash the beastly potential this thing has....
(on a side not the lit up an LTE tower next to my house and Boston isnt supposed to be LTE lit till 2012 )
waterhurley said:
the unlocked bootloader will become soon so it will be alot easier dor devs to package some sort of easy root package.
i have successfully pushed the superuser.apk and achieved root:root using adb, alot of shell commands, and practically reteaching myself linux programing. still not right though since it wont allow superuser access for certain apps like CWM and one-click un-installer
however it has worked for some homebrew apps a few of my buddies programed.
eitherway, im still trying and it would be 80000000x easier if HTC would just unlock the friggin bootloader already, then some dev smarter then me could package it all up real nice.
till then, i am going to keep trying to unleash the beastly potential this thing has....
(on a side not the lit up an LTE tower next to my house and Boston isnt supposed to be LTE lit till 2012 )
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I haven't done any playing with this device as of yet but for sure agree that we need root. I've requested access to the boot loaders from HTC Dev and would recommend everyone do the same.
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I haven't done any playing with this device as of yet but for sure agree that we need root. I've requested access to the boot loaders from HTC Dev and would recommend everyone do the same.
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i did as well and got an email back saying they are working on it and check the website daily.... which i have been
How/What sequence of commands did you use to achieve root?
Anyone tried creating a rom for the Jetstream using dsixda’s kitchen? I played around with the rom Football provided, but do not have a Jetstream yet. Just need a custom recovery too…
I realize that the tester phone was loss from f**king Sandy, but I'm hesitant to possibly get this device in the next month or so. I maybe giving my Dinc2 to my dad to use on consumer cellular, that if it will work. I still need to call Verizon and get the unlock code. Anyways, I really want the device, but I'm hesitant because it seems that progress has been stalled because of the test device. Do we need to start a new thread to raise money for a new test device? Just curious? I don't think I'm asking for OTA because I don't mean too. Just a concerned flashaholic.
Shoot I'll test all day idc about a test phone. At least we have root I was dying on stock. S-on isn't too bad just a little more of a pita and I did learn how to use adb. I'd pick it up if you can keep unlimited data I'd pick this phone up.
There is no guarantee that S-OFF will ever come, unfortunately.
Also, even if I still had the tester phone in hand right now, it wouldn't make a difference. I was recently told that "time is an issue", hopefully a tester will be called upon to finish the testing, and see if S-OFF will be possible for public release. Sorry that S-OFF is keeping you away, but honestly I don't understand it. If we didn't have root then I would agree with you, but having root/HTC Dev unlock is the next best thing. So you have to flash kernels separately, not too big of a deal IMHO. Yes, S-OFF is obviously what we'd all like to have.
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There is no guarantee that S-OFF will ever come, unfortunately.
Also, even if I still had the tester phone in hand right now, it wouldn't make a difference. I was recently told that "time is an issue", hopefully a tester will be called upon to finish the testing, and see if S-OFF will be possible for public release. Sorry that S-OFF is keeping you away, but honestly I don't understand it. If we didn't have root then I would agree with you, but having root/HTC Dev unlock is the next best thing. So you have to flash kernels separately, not too big of a deal IMHO. Yes, S-OFF is obviously what we'd all like to have.
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Several people have already volunteered to be testers for the DirtyRacun tool. Unfortunately, it seems that unlimited.io team has a booked calendar right now, and we need to wait a bit more.
Like andybones said, we do have dev unlock/root with an excellent rooting guide and even a tool to semi-automate the process.
I too want s-off, as there is a nifty utility already developed and tested for this phone, but it requires s-off before it can be used/released.
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Yeah, I'm still planning on getting one from eBay because I want to keep unlimited data. I guess I'm just spoiled now with the inc2. Will there be any issues with cm9/cm10 with just unlocked bootloader?
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junkmail9 said:
Several people have already volunteered to be testers for the DirtyRacun tool. Unfortunately, it seems that unlimited.io team has a booked calendar right now, and we need to wait a bit more.
Like andybones said, we do have dev unlock/root with an excellent rooting guide and even a tool to semi-automate the process.
I too want s-off, as there is a nifty utility already developed and tested for this phone, but it requires s-off before it can be used/released.
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Do you by chance have a link for the root in question? I've searched high and low for a root guide for this phone, however the best I can find is some sort of toolkit on Windows. I don't have Windows... just Linux.
EDIT - is this anything worthwhile?
http://www.bestandroidblog.com/sl/a...he-bootloader-in-htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
JaSauders said:
Do you by chance have a link for the root in question? I've searched high and low for a root guide for this phone, however the best I can find is some sort of toolkit on Windows. I don't have Windows... just Linux.
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It's the very first thread STICKIED at the top of the development section, and you can do everything manually in linux if ADB is setup.
JaSauders said:
Do you by chance have a link for the root in question? I've searched high and low for a root guide for this phone, however the best I can find is some sort of toolkit on Windows. I don't have Windows... just Linux.
EDIT - is this anything worthwhile?
http://www.bestandroidblog.com/sl/a...he-bootloader-in-htc-droid-incredible-4g-lte/
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The link in your post basically parrots the sticky here on xda, which is more up to date than the blog post. Go with the manual instructions section in the sticky OP.
Link:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=33987191
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Well, I was very surprised how easy it was to get an unlock code for my dinc2. I called vzw and just had to fib a little. Now, I'll be giving my phone to my dad come January. I hope by then the inc4glte will be around $200. Hell by then, I might get a nice surprise. LOL
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Yeah, I'm still planning on getting one from eBay because I want to keep unlimited data. I guess I'm just spoiled now with the inc2. Will there be any issues with cm9/cm10 with just unlocked bootloader?
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no issues the only thing you can't do is flash a radio, everything else is a go!!!
Well, I was surprised how easy it was to get my unlock code from vzw. Anyways, I'll for sure be saving up for the phone.
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
Dri94 said:
DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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Bigandrewgold said:
Didn't jcase say he wasn't involved with the people trying to get s off.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
Alidaco said:
Where can I go to see the dev threads for this stuff so that I can keep updated?
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There's an inner circle working on S-OFF. You will not hear about it until it's done.
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Worse case scenario, you will have to flash kernels through fastboot, and you will have limited access to /system. So yeah, we are all hoping for s-off, but we can still do quite a bit even if we are stuck with s-on.
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We can already do quite a bit if you know the commands in adb.
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I don't believe he's working on it, but if it's close, or accomplished, he'll know about it.
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jcase is not working on S-OFF. The first few people he unlocked before public release are (these are the inner circle, if you will). He will certainly know when it's accomplished.
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps, on the fly build.prop editing, the giant customization settings apps that many sense roms are coming with, etc etc
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The main things that we won't have is stuff like ad blocking apps...
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Adblock Plus just came out with a new app yesterday with enhanced features for rooted users: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.adblockplus.android
paulguy said:
Is this entirely necessary? As far as I can tell full read/write access is achieved in recovery. Really it's kind of nice because if something blows up or you get some malicious app that claims to require root, you're safe. While the option would be nice to have, I don't really think we're limited at all as things are right now. It just takes a couple more steps.
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Funny....I remember a couple months ago when people were saying the exact same phrase in the d2vzw forums. We are all sharing the same optimistic thoughts.....but in the back of our minds, we all know its a load of sh*t.....we want s-off, trust me.
Alidaco said:
I'm contemplating getting this phone, and being fully-rooted with s-off is a very important part of a phone experience for me. I have read a lot of threads saying that the s-off is "in the works, and will just take time", but are people being overly optimistic? Is it too good to be true considering that no modern HTC device without an SD card has achieved s-off, or do the developers actually feel like they're making headway? Finally, if s-off is never achieved, what kind of features would we be missing compared to an s-off device?
By the way, I would really like to thank the dev's for working so hard on the root and s-off. Its amazing what they've accomplished in such a short time.
TL;DR: Are the s-off rumors overly optimistic?
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Do not buy a device based on what may be possible in the future. Buy it based on what is possible now. If s-off is important to you, then you do not want the DNA at this time. If you can live with the limitations, then go for it, but be careful not to turn into one of the disgruntled owners because you really wanted s-off and believed the rumors that it is "coming soon".
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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luigi311 said:
The kernal flashboot problem has been bypassed on the EVO 4g LTE I'm sure the devs can make their kernals S-On friendly. As far as S-On vs S-Off on the EVO there isn't much except for flashing unsigned radios through the bootloader
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there are significant differences on this phone between dev unlocked and s-off (for those on pre release units that were lucky enough)
kernels: atm, s-off can flash in recovery, unlock in hboot (yes scripts can be done, but still)
radios: no-go on dev unlock, yes on s off
reverting to older RUU's: well none exist currently, but s off can, dev unlock cant
splash images: cosmetic, sure...but not possible on dev unlock
updating/reverting other firmware: only possible to update through a signed RUU for non s-off folks...s off folks can revert or update with just parts of the RUU that are extracted
/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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DSB said it was in the works, but as adrenalyne stated i wouldnt get hopes up unless Jcase says its coming...
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I have nothing to do with s-off. I'd wait for hyuh and/or fuses to say something.
I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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I really wouldn't buy a phone based on what you're hoping for. If s off is that important for you, I wouldn't buy it. All that does is lead to a lot of disappointments and complaining honestly. I see a whole lot of posts and entire threads on the forums where people are posting complaints about model xyz phone not having updates fast enough or not being s off, not having a different OS/UI working without bugs yet, things like that.
Buying something on hopes and dreams is a mistake in my opinion, and if fastboot flashing kernels and not having splash screens is important to you, I would buy a different phone now and get the DNA after it's s off. Any rumors or speculation that you hear is just that. The guys who are really working on it wont be posting about it much because even in a best case scenario, things change mid development as progress is made.
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Sir, your logic is NOT welcome here!
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/system access: only possible in recovery for those with dev unlock, s off can access it in android....this might not seem like a big deal to the average user...but for devs?, pretty horrid....for example, if i want to mod Rosie for some reason (landscape, app drawer, cosmetic, whatever) typically i can just adb push the apk and test it....now i'll have to boot to recovery, push the apk, reboot to android to test it (a lot more time consuming and annoying)
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Just to add, you can push and test, but it'll revert back on reboot. Did so many times already
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Is anyone able to remove bloatware from their DNA? This revert back issue with s-on seems to prevent it.
You have to unlock it, install a recovery, root it, and you can install a debloated stock Rom or a custom Rom.
I recently got an HTC One Max, after having 2 Samsung devices (Note 2 and 3) and I want to gain root.. Mostly so I can tweak the system a little and maybe at some point run a custom ROM.... It's been a while since I've used an HTC Device (The last HTC device I used was an Inspire 4G, and Vivid) and those were easy to root - I Just can't remember if I needed to S-off to gain root, or if I could just gain root.
But I can't find an exact answer, Some people are saying just use Rumrunner or whatever it's called - Others claim it no longer works and I have to pay $25 to gain root.
So my question is... Is there a way to gain root without forking over cash for the Verizon version.. or am I stuck with paying to gain root / S-off?
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I recently got an HTC One Max, after having 2 Samsung devices (Note 2 and 3) and I want to gain root.. Mostly so I can tweak the system a little and maybe at some point run a custom ROM.... It's been a while since I've used an HTC Device (The last HTC device I used was an Inspire 4G, and Vivid) and those were easy to root - I Just can't remember if I needed to S-off to gain root, or if I could just gain root.
But I can't find an exact answer, Some people are saying just use Rumrunner or whatever it's called - Others claim it no longer works and I have to pay $25 to gain root.
So my question is... Is there a way to gain root without forking over cash for the Verizon version.. or am I stuck with paying to gain root / S-off?
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Rumrunner only works on older hboot. If you are still on sense 5.5 basically on the older hboot. If you're on sense 5 sunshine is the only way to go. Don't listen to the people having backups of firewater it doesn't mean anything since it's shut down server side.
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Your going to have to pay the $25.00 if you want root, but it's the best 25.00you'll ever spend, get that babe rooted, and enjoy. I know someone who used sunshine and he said it worked like a champ, go get it :silly:
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Your going to have to pay the $25.00 if you want root, but it's the best 25.00you'll ever spend, get that babe rooted, and enjoy. I know someone who used sunshine and he said it worked like a champ, go get it :silly:
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As much as I want root - I don't think I can justify paying for it. I realize devs work their asses off to find Roots, and exploits and making custom ROMs and stuff for phones... but I'm NOT rich, and $25 right now would be alot of money.
ZackFearheart said:
As much as I want root - I don't think I can justify paying for it. I realize devs work their asses off to find Roots, and exploits and making custom ROMs and stuff for phones... but I'm rich, and $25 right now would be alot of money.
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Ask a mod to close your thread please.
dottat said:
Ask a mod to close your thread please.
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Meant to say I'm NOT rich... but whatever
ZackFearheart said:
Meant to say I'm NOT rich... but whatever
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I actually knew what you meant....?
Only asked you to get this guy locked because this is about the point where things go down hill quickly.