So I did a bunch of searching the web and also searched this forum a lot. Can't figure out a workaround for the Fat32 sd card requirement on the Venue 8 android tablet. I would like to be able to play larger files than 4 gig from the sd slot.
I tried using NTFS and exFat and the tab won't see the card in either case.
I also have a China tab (Momo8) and it sees NTFS just fine, am I correct in assuming this is a restriction put in place by Dell for some reason?
Thank you in advance for any help!
merlin11221 said:
So I did a bunch of searching the web and also searched this forum a lot. Can't figure out a workaround for the Fat32 sd card requirement on the Venue 8 android tablet. I would like to be able to play larger files than 4 gig from the sd slot.
I tried using NTFS and exFat and the tab won't see the card in either case.
I also have a China tab (Momo8) and it sees NTFS just fine, am I correct in assuming this is a restriction put in place by Dell for some reason?
Thank you in advance for any help!
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Could be Dell not enabling NTFS support due to licensing issues, note that only FAT32 isn't encumbered by patents and royalties. Both NTFS and exFAT require licensing. It's likely Dell not wanting to deal with it. If you aren't planning to plug in your microSD directly to your computer, just format the microSD card with ext4 if you're worried about not able to upload files bigger than 2 GB.
deltatux
Thanks for the reply deltatux.
I have a couple more questions. Your reasoning seems logical, and is further supported by the Momo8's unrestricted formats and not being a name brand tab from the USA... Even though they all come from overseas...
1. How do I format it with ext4?
2. If I do that and have a HD video of my kids skiing (rather large file), can I load that from the computer to the card somehow? That would be the purpose, to share some of that stuff with members of the family who are slightly technically challenged and can't use YouTube and such...
Otherwise I can use Power Director to split up the movies, but that's less desirable.
deltatux said:
Could be Dell not enabling NTFS support due to licensing issues, note that only FAT32 isn't encumbered by patents and royalties. Both NTFS and exFAT require licensing. It's likely Dell not wanting to deal with it. If you aren't planning to plug in your microSD directly to your computer, just format the microSD card with ext4 if you're worried about not able to upload files bigger than 2 GB.
deltatux
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I jus tried using a 64Gb sd card, formated as ext4, and the venue 8 does not recognize it, it says that it's blank.
I also want to watch movies > 4Gb,
Thanks for the sugestion.
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merlin11221 said:
Thanks for the reply deltatux.
I have a couple more questions. Your reasoning seems logical, and is further supported by the Momo8's unrestricted formats and not being a name brand tab from the USA... Even though they all come from overseas...
1. How do I format it with ext4?
2. If I do that and have a HD video of my kids skiing (rather large file), can I load that from the computer to the card somehow? That would be the purpose, to share some of that stuff with members of the family who are slightly technically challenged and can't use YouTube and such...
Otherwise I can use Power Director to split up the movies, but that's less desirable.
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To format, you can use Linux and run the GParted tool to format the partition to ext4.
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I jus tried using a 64Gb sd card, formated as ext4, and the venue 8 does not recognize it, it says that it's blank.
I also want to watch movies > 4Gb,
Thanks for the sugestion.
Sent from my Venue 8 3830 using Tapatalk
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That's odd, blank as in cannot read the card or it's just filled with free space? The odd part is that all the partitions in Android 4.0+ are all formatted with ext4 so the tablet has ext4 support since that's the standard filesystem for Linux and Android.
deltatux
Could this be an Intel Atom issue? I've been told Intel needs to update the Atom software for KitKat to function. Just wondering if this problem goes away when Intel updates the Atom software and KitKat is applied? (A Dell source tells me Dell is waiting on Intel to be able to release 4.4, and they expect this to be complete late March - early April.)
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Could this be an Intel Atom issue? I've been told Intel needs to update the Atom software for KitKat to function. Just wondering if this problem goes away when Intel updates the Atom software and KitKat is applied? (A Dell source tells me Dell is waiting on Intel to be able to release 4.4, and they expect this to be complete late March - early April.)
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Yes, all Android updates generally will require the SoC manufacturer to release what's known as the "Board Support Package" that contains all the Android optimizations and drivers required to run properly for that particular chipset. If the manufacturer doesn't release a BSP, there will not be an Android update no matter how you slice it. This is the reason cited why the Galaxy Nexus will not get official Android 4.4 release since Texas Instruments has since pulled out of the SoC market. This is also likely the same story for Samsung and Sony devices running on ST-Ericsson's NovaThor SoC platform as well. As these companies no longer provide any SoC support, no new official Android builds will run on the devices that uses their chipsets.
As for an Intel Atom issue, not sure, I don't see why it would be since Android, like Linux uses the ext4 as their primary operating system, so unless someone modified something, I don't see why ext4 can't be supported for microSD cards...
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deltatux said:
Yes, all Android updates generally will require the SoC manufacturer to release what's known as the "Board Support Package" that contains all the Android optimizations and drivers required to run properly for that particular chipset. If the manufacturer doesn't release a BSP, there will not be an Android update no matter how you slice it. This is the reason cited why the Galaxy Nexus will not get official Android 4.4 release since Texas Instruments has since pulled out of the SoC market. This is also likely the same story for Samsung and Sony devices running on ST-Ericsson's NovaThor SoC platform as well. As these companies no longer provide any SoC support, no new official Android builds will run on the devices that uses their chipsets.
As for an Intel Atom issue, not sure, I don't see why it would be since Android, like Linux uses the ext4 as their primary operating system, so unless someone modified something, I don't see why ext4 can't be supported for microSD cards...
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Thanks deltatux, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge. I also formatted a 32gig card with ext4 and the Venue 8 says it's blank. It says the same thing for NTFS and ExFat, that it's a "blank storage device or unsupported file format". Then it asks if you want to format the card, which ends with a microSD card formatted to Fat32...
I did find an app while searching on the Venue. I searched for "NTFS support" or something similar. The program needs the tablet to be rooted and then it will support NTFS, ExFat, and others I believe. It is called Paragon exFAT, NTFS & HFS+, and is a free app. It is an interesting lead though to an otherwise unsolved issue!
If anyone gets time and has luck before I do please post here and let us know!
Merlin
Alternately I just found another thread in this forum oddly enough from a google search, hinting that this is not a problem specific to just the Venue... Was trying to see if I could find a workaround without rooting. Check it out if you like.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724078
Merlin
merlin11221 said:
Thanks deltatux, you seem to have a wealth of knowledge. I also formatted a 32gig card with ext4 and the Venue 8 says it's blank. It says the same thing for NTFS and ExFat, that it's a "blank storage device or unsupported file format". Then it asks if you want to format the card, which ends with a microSD card formatted to Fat32...
I did find an app while searching on the Venue. I searched for "NTFS support" or something similar. The program needs the tablet to be rooted and then it will support NTFS, ExFat, and others I believe. It is called Paragon exFAT, NTFS & HFS+, and is a free app. It is an interesting lead though to an otherwise unsolved issue!
If anyone gets time and has luck before I do please post here and let us know!
Merlin
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I guess Dell might have disabled support for ext4 for microSD then. It's likely we need a custom kernel to get these features into the tablet. ext4 has no licensing requirements so I don't see why it didn't work. Have you tried to format to the previous ext3 file system? Maybe that might work? Not sure.
exFAT and NTFS will require licensing, which some manufacturers do not support, so far I know LG and ASUS do support it on their devices, not sure about Samsung and Dell though.
merlin11221 said:
Alternately I just found another thread in this forum oddly enough from a google search, hinting that this is not a problem specific to just the Venue... Was trying to see if I could find a workaround without rooting. Check it out if you like.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1724078
Merlin
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You'll need root, and this method should work in theory since most Linux distributions do use the open source NTFS driver but it only provides basic NTFS read/write operations and generally not optimized meaning performance may be sluggish and it may be bad for battery life. Once rooted, one can try this method for sure!
deltatux
No I did not try ext3, was running late last night and had to work this am. Is rooting difficult? I would like to get this working before our ski trip in a couple weeks. Is it likley that I mess up the tablet rooting? Sorry but this is the first time I have needed to alter a mobile device for any reason...
Merlin
merlin11221 said:
No I did not try ext3, was running late last night and had to work this am. Is rooting difficult? I would like to get this working before our ski trip in a couple weeks. Is it likley that I mess up the tablet rooting? Sorry but this is the first time I have needed to alter a mobile device for any reason...
Merlin
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Unfortunately, there's no rooting methods released for this device, you'll have to wait.
deltatux
deltatux said:
Unfortunately, there's no rooting methods released for this device, you'll have to wait.
deltatux
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Just a little update for everyone. I tried some more file formats once I got home.
NTFS, ExFat, ext3, and ext4 all say "blank SD card or unsupported file format". Then I get prompted to format in the Venue to Fat32.
Fat and ext2 both do nothing, can't even try to mount, and get no error message. It only shows a message when removed.
So I guess it is shrinking video files, waiting for root, or just playing them on the MOMO...
Thanks again for all the effort though! And please post if anyone finds a solution.
Merlin
merlin11221 said:
Just a little update for everyone. I tried some more file formats once I got home.
NTFS, ExFat, ext3, and ext4 all say "blank SD card or unsupported file format". Then I get prompted to format in the Venue to Fat32.
Fat and ext2 both do nothing, can't even try to mount, and get no error message. It only shows a message when removed.
So I guess it is shrinking video files, waiting for root, or just playing them on the MOMO...
Thanks again for all the effort though! And please post if anyone finds a solution.
Merlin
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Looking at the SlimROM thread for the original Nexus 7, it seems the microSD file system support comes down to kernel support. In order to properly support microSD format other than FAT32, someone needs to enable it on the kernel...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=50192804&postcount=484
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I bought 64 gb card and it works on samsung stock galaxy s3 rom BUT when i switched to Cyanogen10 mod it started showing damaged card,
I know it is because the stock has driver for that card,
My question is has someone ported or can someone please port the driver from stock and make it workable on custom roms.
Thanks.
exFAT is not and probably will never be supported by CM9 or 10.
Your card needs to be FAT32-formatted to work.
Alright trying hopefully this works and doesnt screw up my card.
d4fseeker said:
exFAT is not and probably will never be supported by CM9 or 10.
Your card needs to be FAT32-formatted to work.
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didnt work now the phone doesnt even show damaged card, its acting like card is not even inserted.
How exactly have you formatted the card? Windows onboard utilities won't let you format a 64GB card as FAT32, so my guess is you formatted it as NTFS.
Unfortunately CM cannot read NTFS either, you'll need another kernel for that. (And to date none has been released)
Try the HP Usb Format utility to create a FAT32 partition.
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exFAT is not and probably will never be supported by CM9 or 10.
Your card needs to be FAT32-formatted to work.
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Why is this?! Does AOSP not come with exFAT support, it's something Samsung builds into the kernel afterwards?
Disappointed, as I was tempted to try CM, but no 64GB support renders my card next to useless.
Disappointed, as I was tempted to try CM, but no 64GB support renders my card next to useless.
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FAT32 doesn't mean the card is restricted to 32GB, it means a file can be 2^32 bytes long which is 4GB.
FAT64 (ExFat) has a limit of 2^64 bytes per file which equals 16 Exabyte (1Exabyte = 1024 Terabyte)
It's possible for FAT32 partitions to be as large as 8 Terabyte, which is roughly 1000 times the size of harddisks when FAT32 was released.
Windows, for some stupid compatibility reason with a 12 year old operating system (Windows 2000) does not allow to format FAT32 partitions to a size larger than 32GB, hence the usual confusion.
As described above, here is the tool you need: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml
Why is this?! Does AOSP not come with exFAT support, it's something Samsung builds into the kernel afterwards?
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ExFat is patent-encumbered, meaning every distributed binary copy of Cyanogenmod would theoretically cost the developers the license fee.
(At least for US-based downloads, most other countries see software patents as what they are - ridiculous and unenforceable)
Furthermore -and a very big issue- is the instability of the exFat code for GNU/Linux (and by extension, Android) which causes data loss, corruption and other negative side effects.
It's highly recommended not to use exFAT with Samsung-firmwares either.
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How exactly have you formatted the card? Windows onboard utilities won't let you format a 64GB card as FAT32, so my guess is you formatted it as NTFS.
Unfortunately CM cannot read NTFS either, you'll need another kernel for that. (And to date none has been released)
Try the HP Usb Format utility to create a FAT32 partition.
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i used easeus partition: i deleted partition first and made new one with fat32 file system,
which didnt work, after that i deleted the partition again and formatted using stock galaxy s3 rom and it works again but limited to stock rom only like before.
atleast the card isnt dead.
d4fseeker said:
How exactly have you formatted the card? Windows onboard utilities won't let you format a 64GB card as FAT32, so my guess is you formatted it as NTFS.
Unfortunately CM cannot read NTFS either, you'll need another kernel for that. (And to date none has been released)
Try the HP Usb Format utility to create a FAT32 partition.
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ill try this software as well.
d4fseeker said:
How exactly have you formatted the card? Windows onboard utilities won't let you format a 64GB card as FAT32, so my guess is you formatted it as NTFS.
Unfortunately CM cannot read NTFS either, you'll need another kernel for that. (And to date none has been released)
Try the HP Usb Format utility to create a FAT32 partition.
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I didnt get a chance to try Hp software i cant across this other software and it work.
Thank you though
d4fseeker said:
FAT32 doesn't mean the card is restricted to 32GB, it means a file can be 2^32 bytes long which is 4GB.
FAT64 (ExFat) has a limit of 2^64 bytes per file which equals 16 Exabyte (1Exabyte = 1024 Terabyte)
It's possible for FAT32 partitions to be as large as 8 Terabyte, which is roughly 1000 times the size of harddisks when FAT32 was released.
Windows, for some stupid compatibility reason with a 12 year old operating system (Windows 2000) does not allow to format FAT32 partitions to a size larger than 32GB, hence the usual confusion.
As described above, here is the tool you need: http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml
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Thanks, though I realised this - the whole reason I need a 64GB card is to copy movies onto there, because I travel a lot... many of them are over 4GB, which is the issue I have with using FAT32.
d4fseeker said:
ExFat is patent-encumbered, meaning every distributed binary copy of Cyanogenmod would theoretically cost the developers the license fee.
(At least for US-based downloads, most other countries see software patents as what they are - ridiculous and unenforceable)
Furthermore -and a very big issue- is the instability of the exFat code for GNU/Linux (and by extension, Android) which causes data loss, corruption and other negative side effects.
It's highly recommended not to use exFAT with Samsung-firmwares either.
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Maybe I should look at ext3 instead, though then I'd have problems putting it straight into my Windows machine. Though, exFAT has been 100% stable for me so far.
many of them are over 4GB
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Ok that is a problem for FAT32. You didn't mention it so I assumed you mistook the 32 in FAT32 for 32GB as many people do.
Maybe I should look at ext3 instead
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Since you should never need to remove or directly access the card (MTP mode or File transfer through 'Samba Fileshare' App) that should be a solution. For your own computers, you could use the following driver:
http://www.fs-driver.org/
It allows read-write access to EXT2. EXT2 being EXT3 without journaling support (and thus fully backwards compatile) that could do the trick.
Pententially you'll need to re-enable the journal again through tune2fs on the Smartphone after having used an EXT2-driver. Not sure though since the journal is only relevant until a clean dismount is made.
You should however also be able to load the NTFS-module in the kernel or recompile the CM10 kernel with the required options.
If you need to plug the SDcard into your computer a lot, that may be the only solution until Gokhanmoral is back.
If you have been having issue with exfat card even after formatting it to fat32 this is probably the solution for you
The 64gb exfat card i have never worked on custom roms no matter what software i used to format it to fat32.
But finally it worked with this one software, Just make sure you follow the instruction correctly.
http://software-files-a.cnet.com/s/...&pid=12572695&psid=10863346&&fileName=epm.exe
First use easeus to delete the partion in 64 gb card.
then Click Start menu, select Run and enter diskmgmt.msc
You need to find the disk with unallocated space. Right click on it and select "New Partition" and follow these steps, clicking "Next"
Enter the maximum size for the Partition Size
Choose assign a drive letter. I used F:
Select "Do not Format this partition"
Click Finish
Now you have a drive letter, this is what we will pass to the formatter
http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/download/fat32format.zip
Now download a copy of fat32format. Extract the EXE file to C:\
Click Start->Run and enter cmd (as admin)
type this - C:\fat32format f:
enter y to continue
Now the sd card should work on phone.
Source: http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/index.htm?guiformat.htm
Thanks to DroidGnome for linking me this site.
An easier alternative which doesn't require CMD or the use of multiple tools is HP Usb Format Utility:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml
d4fseeker said:
An easier alternative which doesn't require CMD or the use of multiple tools is HP Usb Format Utility:
http://www.softpedia.com/get/System/Hard-Disk-Utils/HP-USB-Disk-Storage-Format-Tool.shtml
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If it works then sure. i already used 3 recommended softwares all failed so i dont know if this will work.
Thanks for this guide
I always format and re-partition in Linux ...
I always format and re-partition in Linux ... and currently all my large microSD cards have been re-partitioned with the following layout:
- free space (4 MB on 32GB, 16 MB on 64GB - since that's how those came from factory )
- main partition (primary partition 1 - I format that as Fat32 in Linux but then I go to Win7 and re-format to exFat; exFat works perfectly in Android 4.x from Samsung (and good mods) and the CWM recovery from CrisKelo ROM can work just perfectly with exFat when doing backup/restore; other (even newer) CWM versions/alternatives might NOT be OK with exFAT or stuff over 32GB!
- 512 MB Linux swap (primary partition 2) - this gets mounted by special mods that give the kernel virtual memory
- free space at the end (at least 4 MB on 32GB, at least 16 MB on 64GB)!
The only drawback is that at this moment there is no program (on PC or phone) that can resize exFAT - so you need to reformat! That is in contrast to NTFS / FAT32 / ext2 / ext3 / ext4 - which can all be resized perfectly - and IMHO NTFS could be a better option that exFAT (for journaling, even if I do not write that much anyway), but unfortunately there is no serious support for it on CWM; ext3/ext4 could also be even better from the Linux standpoint (but not for the usual Windows user that might have problems reading it) - but again is (surprisingly) not so supported by either CWM nor most ROMs
Just got new Sandisk 64GB cards and was having a heck of a time getting them to play nice with Paranoid Android, this guide was simple, painless and most of all, effective. Thank you much for posting this information.
Works with cyanogenmod nightly 2013-02-17 and ubuntu
So I have tried it out and it worked.
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If you have been having issue with exfat card even after formatting it to fat32 this is probably the solution for you
The 64gb exfat card i have never worked on custom roms no matter what software i used to format it to fat32.
But finally it worked with this one software, Just make sure you follow the instruction correctly.
http://software-files-a.cnet.com/s/...&pid=12572695&psid=10863346&&fileName=epm.exe
Link seems broken.
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Thank you!! Was wondering what I had done wrong with a custom ROM not reading the 64Gb card I had, now it does: )
great to see i helped some people.
ok so software to erase partition is called EaseUS incase this link gets broken in future just google, if im late with reply again in future.
http://download.cnet.com/EaseUS-Partition-Master-Free-Edition/3000-2248_4-10863346.html
Just wanted to say THANKS
I have been trying to get my 64GB working for days after install wicked rom 5.1 for my Samsung S4, noting worked till I found this post GREAT work and thanks so much!!!!
YOU RULE!
Thanks!! I have only been able to get my Scan Disk Ultra 64G card to work with Perseus kernel and would have to flash it to all Roms then use a hack to swap the internal to get it to work. It was a Pain in the ass and limited my Kernel usage. THANK YOU SO MUCH WHAT A USEFUL POST!! Stick to this plan it works. I have yet to see any other solution. I been dealing with this problem since I had my Galaxy note2 almost a year now.
PS do not use that crappy HP USB format 2.2 whatever program some guy suggested a bunch of malwar garbage I cant get off my computer now THANKS BUDDY Crawl back under a rock which you came.
Thanks for the wonderful help everyone who got it working
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so which format type is better for some1 running stock rom on galaxy note 2..... with a 64g sandisk ultra..... its alrdy working without any particular format....worked with factory settings but right now d mmry card is acting up cos of d script I used 2 swap....am only guessing.... so is it better 2 format to ex fat or fat32?
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so which format type is better for some1 running stock rom on galaxy note 2..... with a 64g sandisk ultra..... its alrdy working without any particular format....worked with factory settings but right now d mmry card is acting up cos of d script I used 2 swap....am only guessing.... so is it better 2 format to ex fat or fat32?
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i have no idea the swap system, as stock, it already has driver for ex fat but since you changed some stuff it might have ruined that driver.
try your card on another phone with stock rom and same android version. if it works then you dont need to change sd card format, just reinstall ROM on your phone.
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Thanks!! I have only been able to get my Scan Disk Ultra 64G card to work with Perseus kernel and would have to flash it to all Roms then use a hack to swap the internal to get it to work. It was a Pain in the ass and limited my Kernel usage. THANK YOU SO MUCH WHAT A USEFUL POST!! Stick to this plan it works. I have yet to see any other solution. I been dealing with this problem since I had my Galaxy note2 almost a year now.
PS do not use that crappy HP USB format 2.2 whatever program some guy suggested a bunch of malwar garbage I cant get off my computer now THANKS BUDDY Crawl back under a rock which you came.
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i know, that is reason i posted this. i tried about 10 software and then i found this weird way of doing it and it actually works.
all those fancy software dont do anything besides slowing computer down.
glad to know i was of some use
Please don't flay me alive, have searched the forum, net, front garden.
Very new to Romming my SG2, but had settled on cyanogen 9, as I loved the themes and the speed, battery etc.
All was great until my 64GB sd card stopped working, which after looking up I believe is a known issue with Exfat and CM. After 2 days of trying every way to format my sd to fat32, and having had no joy it seems that my only option is to switch from cyanogen altogether. With that in mind, is there any way to flash a altered sammy rom that is themeable, have had a look through the roms, but not been able to find a rom that is exfat compatible and also themed to black and white. Any ideas folks? Any help is much appreciated. Maybe it's not possible.
I think ExFAT was cut away in ICS.
Connect the SD card to a Linux machine and rewrite the MBR and then format to FAT32.
Cheers for the quick response, unfortunately not got access to a linux machine, am stuck with a laptop, so can't use a live cd even, and the laptop seems to have issue with running a live image from a pendrive. Any other way to achieve this. tried Format /fs:FAT32 in cmd through windows, but fails format every time, tried the hp app, and it only offers me ntfs and exfat. Really would like to keep cyanogen if possible as it's great.
64GB exFAT isn't supported in any ROM, although FAT32 will work.
Will keep trying to find someway to format to fat32
worked it out, seemed Although I was formatting the sd to fat32, the clustersize was wrong seems it need to use 32kb clustersize, which I achieved using EaseUS. Thank gawd.
Hi, in the Nook Development forums, I found this post from Albert Wentz: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1439630
But unless I'm confused, I believe there are many other posts with other roll-your-own instructions? Such as: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1466583
All I want to do is build the SD card for my kid's nooks (versus paying $20 to N2A) so I can boot to it to run Android just like the N2A card. Does anyone know which post N2A may have followed to build their version? Or is Al's post the most modern build? Or the 2nd URL I list?
I'm quite technical so know I can do this, I just need to know which is the latest and greatest, or if there are many diff build customizations, which, let's say, is the most popular ? I mainly care that it has Google Play and Amazon App stores, and that I can sideload ebooks, mp3's,videos. If it comes with other apps, fine, but I'm fine with downloading,installing any I wish afterwards.
And.....some posts mention you don't have to modify your nook at all, just boot to the SD card, but others say it modifies the Nook (roots it), so that if you ever had to return it you'd have to restore it (hence best to back it up beforehand). Which is correct???
Al's method works fine. Anything you mentioned that you wish to try will work. I ran boot to SD android rom for several months before I took the plunge and rooted my 8gb Nook to a full android tablet.
It in no way modifies the internal workings of your Nook. The Nook allows booting to the card by design. Just use a Sandisk card of 8gb or more for best results and all you need is a class 4 speed rating. Believe it or not, a class 10 doesn't work as well.
YMMV
Good luck and have fun with it!
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Al's method works fine. Anything you mentioned that you wish to try will work. I ran boot to SD android rom for several months before I took the plunge and rooted my 8gb Nook to a full android tablet.
It in no way modifies the internal workings of your Nook. The Nook allows booting to the card by design. Just use a Sandisk card of 8gb or more for best results and all you need is a class 4 speed rating. Believe it or not, a class 10 doesn't work as well.
YMMV
Good luck and have fun with it!
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OK thanks, so if I understand you, rooting is a separate method, as in my 2nd URL referenced. (and in reading that, the SD card is only used to flash (or pull) the image from, to put onto your Nook.) I don't know about backup, but I don't think I want to mess with the stock OS for now. Maybe if B&N abandons it. I guess I don't see it as a big deal that my kids will need to reboot each time to toggle between nook OS and Android.
I read that about the Class4 vs 10. I think I even read posts about class 10's not only running slow, but acting really buggy? Is that right?... One of our SD cards is a 16GB class 4 and a 8GB class 6. Anyone heard if class 6's have any issues?
Extremely easy process to build a card similar to N2A to run a very stable CM10 from:
http://iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
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asawi said:
Extremely easy process to build a card similar to N2A to run a very stable CM10 from:
iamafanof.wordpress.com/2012/11/18/cm10-0-jellybean-sdcard-img-for-nook-tablet/
Ooops!
I just realized both URLs I posted (even 1st one from Albert) mention rooting.(altering tablet) My mistake. Ok, so where's the mainstream single post on XDA forums that describes the most popular non-root (boot to SD) process? I'd rather follow a post off XDA website. And if I have issues, maybe fallback to that URL you gave me, although his English is not so great, so afraid I might get lost in his partitioning instructions. I also don't have a Linux box at home (re: his mention of EXT4) although I have been trained on/worked with Linux some. Although running Jellybean since it's the latest & greatest sounds nice....although I've read enough articles from mainstream tech sites that state it's a bit too buggy? I'm sure ICS is plenty good enough and all apps support it.
Whats the difference between CWM (clockwork mod) and CM (cyanogen)? Wikipedia just says "The CyanogenMod source code repository also contains the ClockworkMod Recovery"
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The step by step you'll find somewhere here on XDA actually is the work of the guy I posted to. So my link is the source. That "Iamafanof" blogger is the person "Succulent" you'll see referred to here at XDA. Entirely up to you of course, but I don't see why you wouldn't at least check it out.
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You do not need a Linux system and I don't know what gave you the idea you would. The process is extremely simple: Download a rather large file, burn it to an sd-card, expand one partition (optional but recommended).
asawi said:
The step by step you'll find somewhere here on XDA actually is the work of the guy I posted to. So my link is the source. That "Iamafanof" blogger is the person "Succulent" you'll see referred to here at XDA. Entirely up to you of course, but I don't see why you wouldn't at least check it out.
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You do not need a Linux system and I don't know what gave you the idea you would. The process is extremely simple: Download a rather large file, burn it to an sd-card, expand one partition (optional but recommended).
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I thought that because as far as I'm aware, the EXT4 that he mentions (for P3 Data1) is a linux type partition. (unless some Windows partitioning tool can create it I'm not aware of) I'm willing to try his steps. So I guess you'd recreate the "P3 FAT32 SDCARD" partition the same size as it was before then? And the P4 (EXT4) you'd resize, as you mention, to take advantage of all the rest of the space on your 8 or 16GB card. But what free tool under Windows can create EXT4 ?
baytee said:
And the P4 (EXT4) you'd resize, as you mention, to take advantage of all the rest of the space on your 8 or 16GB card. But what free tool under Windows can create EXT4 ?
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You do not have to create any EXT4 partition. Nor any other other kind of partition. All you have to do is expand the FAT32 partition. MiniTool is free and will do that for you.
http://download.cnet.com/MiniTool-Partition-Wizard-Home-Edition/3000-2094_4-10962200.html
Edit: And, FWIW, I went and checked. Mini Tool can also create EXT4 partitions, should you want to.
I got that image onto the SDcard, it now has 4 partitions:
BOOT 249MB (FAT32)
350MB (EXT3) 91% used
600MB (EXT3) 3% used
SDCARD 713MB (FAT32)
13GB Unallocated
So I would right click partition "SDCARD", extend it to the 13GB.
But, in his post he mentions one partition (P3,DATA1, which MiniTool doesn't show any partition labeled as such, but I assume he's just talking about the 3rd partition (the 600MB Ext3 partition) being used to store just apps & app data. (I assume since it's EXT3 which is compat w/linux i.e. Android) If so, what do you think..is 600MB enough for downloading/installing lots of apps? Or is it wiser to extend it to maybe 2 or 4 or even GB? For example I have the Humble Bundle games for Android Tablet. The installs (APK) are huge...anywhere from 30-200MB themselves..... I assume their post-install size takes up a different amount of space (more) than the APK itself, just as with Windows EXE installers? And if I recall correctly I believe once installed, you can del the APK... Anyhow, I'm emailing the company to see what install reqs for disk space are, since all they list the APK size.
Only you know how large data partition you need but it sure looks like you need it larger than 600.
So, to add some sort of instructions:
Delete partitions 3 and 4 (the 600 and 713 MB ones)
Apply changes (top left)
Create a new partition 3. Make it EXT4, Primary and the size you want
Apply changes
Create a new partition 4, FAT32, primary to pick up whatever is left unallocated
Apply changes
Don't forget to "apply changes"
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But, in his post he mentions one partition (P3,DATA1, which MiniTool doesn't show any partition labeled as such, but I assume he's just talking about the 3rd partition (the 600MB Ext3 partition) being used to store just apps & app data. (I assume since it's EXT3 which is compat w/linux i.e. Android) If so, what do you think..is 600MB enough for downloading/installing lots of apps? Or is it wiser to extend it to maybe 2 or 4 or even GB? For example I have the Humble Bundle games for Android Tablet. The installs (APK) are huge...anywhere from 30-200MB themselves..... I assume their post-install size takes up a different amount of space (more) than the APK itself, just as with Windows EXE installers? And if I recall correctly I believe once installed, you can del the APK... Anyhow, I'm emailing the company to see what install reqs for disk space are, since all they list the APK size.
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Although all apps downloaded from Google Play will reside on /data partition, many apps keep their data separately in the internal user-media partition or on the external SDcard (the 4th /sdcard partition in your case). For example, I have a video game app which takes ~30MB for itself in /data but ~350MB for data storage on the SDcard. The Titanium Backup app works the same way. So you'll have to anticipate not just the app's storage size requirement but also its targeted partition for data storage.
Does this also work for CM 12?
Can these instructions be used with CM12 Lolipop?
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Can these instructions be used with CM12 Lolipop?
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Yes, if you can find a CM12 ROM image that was specifically compiled to run on SD.
Sent from my BN NookHD+ using XDA Premium HD app
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Yes, if you can find a CM12 ROM image that was specifically compiled to run on SD.
Sent from my BN NookHD+ using XDA Premium HD app
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Where can I find that ROM image? I haven't had much luck finding such a ROM, I haven't seen that specified.
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Where can I find that ROM image? I haven't had much luck finding such a ROM, I haven't seen that specified.
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I am not aware of any CM12 SD-based ROM build for the Nook Tablet, but you can find CM11 SD-based builds for the NT at https://iamafanof.wordpress.com/category/nook-tablet-2/.
Q: How do I format an SD card so it can hold a 6GB file.
It is for an sqlite map application so it needs that one big file.
I have a Ubuntu laptop and HTC Dream phone, so I don't care about Windows compatibility.
Phone: Android 2.2.1
SD CARD: 16GB
More info.
When I format on Ubuntu using ext2, the phone didn't recognize it.
When I format in the phone, Linux identifies it as msdos format which limits to 4GB...
Thanks for helping.
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cellurl said:
Q: How do I format an SD card so it can hold a 6GB file.
It is for an sqlite map application so it needs that one big file.
I have a Ubuntu laptop and HTC Dream phone, so I don't care about Windows compatibility.
Phone: Android 2.2.1
SD CARD: 16GB
More info.
When I format on Ubuntu using ext2, the phone didn't recognize it.
When I format in the phone, Linux identifies it as msdos format which limits to 4GB...
Thanks for helping.
I will give kudos on our website, wikispeedia.org and hit your tip jar!
-cellurl
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Looks like your device doesn't have ext[2,3,4] support in the kernel (probably using yaffs2 or something like that?), but it seems to have vfat support in it (fat32).
Your only option is to flash on your device a kernel that's got ext[2,3,4] support compiled in. (if i'm missing something, please chime in)
how do i determine what my 2.2.0 kernel is capable of?
I tried to browse thru the sourcecode, but couldn't figure it out.
I had to just stuff my SD card in various peoples phones and I have experimentally figured out that
4.4.4 stock didn't appear to work, however 4.4.0 ROM of some sort DOES support >4GB SD cards...
Thanks for the reply beekay201 !
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cellurl said:
Q: How do I format an SD card so it can hold a 6GB file.
It is for an sqlite map application so it needs that one big file.
I have a Ubuntu laptop and HTC Dream phone, so I don't care about Windows compatibility.
Phone: Android 2.2.1
SD CARD: 16GB
More info.
When I format on Ubuntu using ext2, the phone didn't recognize it.
When I format in the phone, Linux identifies it as msdos format which limits to 4GB...
Thanks for helping.
I will give kudos on our website, wikispeedia.org and hit your tip jar!
-cellurl
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short answer, you can't put 6GB on 2.2 kernel. I bought a new phone with 4.0.4 and it creates a funky sd arrangement, instead of /mnt/sdcard it instead makes /mnt/extsd1 which will hold a 4GB file max.. I ended up splitting my 6GB file into two 4GB files. They both fit in /mnt/extsd1 just fine.