[Q] So what was holding my S3 back? - Galaxy S III Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Hey,
I'm very new to rooting flashing and all of this but I learn fast.
Originally came here because I was disappointed with my S3 and how it is working so I googled, knew a thing or two about rooting, rooted almost a week ago then a day after I was flashing my very first rom.
My first rom was S4 revolution v12 I liked it but after a while - not very long while - I have experienced lagging and dull responding just like what I had with my stock rom.
Then I said so what I'll flash another and another. Again, googled best rom and knew that there is no such a thing but my eyes captured Cyanogenmod and I said ok I'll give it a try and I did.
Now I'm running cm11 M3 and the device is speedy, no lagging what so ever, actually experinced multi tasking for my first time - multi tasking with stock rom is a lie - and finally I felt like hey that is what I actually wanted.
Had to do some changes to be honest - not to the rom don't get me wrong I'm not that smart - but I had that android keyboard with the number row I love it. Hated that google launcher and its ugly icons so now I'm using KK launcher and few other things and that's it.
Now to my question. In this little short adventure of mine I have experienced two diffrent roms well, three actually counting the stock rom and the stock rom was awful, S4 revolution v12 was quite good but not that speedy and cm11 that pushed my S3 to its limits. My question is - in terms of speed, performance and no lagging - what was holding the device back and what made it as fast as it now with cm11?
I mean is it the rom itself, maybe the kernel if I even understand the term well, the samsung heavy Touchwiz or maybe the samsung apps? I need to understand because it'll help me choose between roms and kernels and really have what I want.
P.S English in not my native language so if you'll correct me be nice

M7mdali said:
Hey,
I'm very new to rooting flashing and all of this but I learn fast.
Originally came here because I was disappointed with my S3 and how it is working so I googled, knew a thing or two about rooting, rooted almost a week ago then a day after I was flashing my very first rom.
My first rom was S4 revolution v12 I liked it but after a while - not very long while - I have experienced lagging and dull responding just like what I had with my stock rom.
Then I said so what I'll flash another and another. Again, googled best rom and knew that there is no such a thing but my eyes captured Cyanogenmod and I said ok I'll give it a try and I did.
Now I'm running cm11 M3 and the device is speedy, no lagging what so ever, actually experinced multi tasking for my first time - multi tasking with stock rom is a lie - and finally I felt like hey that is what I actually wanted.
Had to do some changes to be honest - not to the rom don't get me wrong I'm not that smart - but I had that android keyboard with the number row I love it. Hated that google launcher and its ugly icons so now I'm using KK launcher and few other things and that's it.
Now to my question. In this little short adventure of mine I have experienced two diffrent roms well, three actually counting the stock rom and the stock rom was awful, S4 revolution v12 was quite good but not that speedy and cm11 that pushed my S3 to its limits. My question is - in terms of speed, performance and no lagging - what was holding the device back and what made it as fast as it now with cm11?
I mean is it the rom itself, maybe the kernel if I even understand the term well, the samsung heavy Touchwiz or maybe the samsung apps? I need to understand because it'll help me choose between roms and kernels and really have what I want.
P.S English in not my native language so if you'll correct me be nice
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Since the time Samsung Galaxy series phone were launched, over the years, this has been a problem with Samsung stock ROMs.
The device would be fast without lags for some period of time and then it starts lagging.
I am no expert, but in my experience, its the Bloatware and many unnecessary features that Samsung puts in its ROMs.
This is the reason Samsung ROMs are usually heavy about 1GB
These apps/features hog up the cache memory over time and takes up system memory.
this causes the lags and freezes (well, at least in my case it was always).
As opposed to this, in CM11 or AOSP ROMs in general are bare bones ROMs which are based on pure android.
this is the reason they are light about 200 MB + 150+ MB for gapps.
less bloat, lesser cache used and lesser lags.
Well this is my inference from my experience with Samsung Galaxy S and Samsung Galaxy S3.
Someone can correct me technically if I am wrong.

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msri3here said:
Since the time Samsung Galaxy series phone were launched, over the years, this has been a problem with Samsung stock ROMs.
The device would be fast without lags for some period of time and then it starts lagging.
I am no expert, but in my experience, its the Bloatware and many unnecessary features that Samsung puts in its ROMs.
This is the reason Samsung ROMs are usually heavy about 1GB
These apps/features hog up the cache memory over time and takes up system memory.
this causes the lags and freezes (well, at least in my case it was always).
As opposed to this, in CM11 or AOSP ROMs in general are bare bones ROMs which are based on pure android.
this is the reason they are light about 200 MB + 150+ MB for gapps.
less bloat, lesser cache used and lesser lags.
Well this is my inference from my experience with Samsung Galaxy S and Samsung Galaxy S3.
Someone can correct me technically if I am wrong.
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Thanks for your reply.
So if I'm in love with samsung apps I should live with a slow and low performance roms whether they are stock or custom?
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OK OK my bad

M7mdali said:
Thanks for your reply.
So if I'm in love with samsung apps I should live with a slow and low performance roms whether they are stock or custom?
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That is the problem with sammy roms, there's too much bloat and garbage. But there are some ways you can make it slightly better:
1- You can use a de-bloating app (search XDA) and remove unwanted apps for a better performance. But this is not recommended for new users or those who have less experience.
2- You can root your device and use Titanium Backup to freeze un-needed apps/services. Sometimes freezing an app can give you errors so you can defrost them safely, no worries. The apps are not deleted, but they are just hidden from the system.
3- Use an app like Greenify (Donate version recommended) and make them hibernate. Donate version can even freeze system apps like Google Play etc and this is one of the easiest/safest way to speed up your phone and reduce lag. (Need Xposed module to freeze system apps)
4- Use a custom Rom like Resurrection KK (but some camera issues) for fantastic performance.
5- Learn to forget Samsung apps There are better apps out there.
~ RazorMC

Related

ICS on this phone is still horrible.

I updated to 404, and kept it for a week. Now I'm back on GB and oh man it's so much better.
Why is ICS so freaking horrible on this phone?
Compared to GB, ICS is buggy, slow, unstable, unresponsive and prone to hang.
I don't know what you use your phone for, but with mine, I used to play games, browse the web, and listen to music, other than normal phone usage for calls and SMS.
The browser on ICS is pathetically slow and unstable compared to the one in Gingerbread. In GB, you could actually run 720p youtube videos in desktop mode page and it would actually work perfectly. If you do it on ICS you risk hanging your phone and having to remove the battery. Either that, or the browser either crashes or becomes extremely unresponsive to the point even haptic feedback on the back and home buttons becomes delayed. On certain complex desktop pages, swiping becomes unresponsive and responds up to a full second late. Try this on the youtube desktop page or any other big page. Also, the new ICS browser tends to close on it's own for no reason, and as far as I know, there is no way to go back to the home page using it. The only way is to open a new tab, go back to the tab page, close the old tab and switch to the new tab. On the old one all you have to do is simply close all tabs and the browser would automagically put you back to the home page.
Games used to run fairly well on GB but in ICS they are so much more laggy. Some games that were perfectly fluid and playable are choppy on ICS, for example, Wind Up Knight, Let's Golf 3 (which is unplayable), Asphalt 6. The Angry Bots tech demo ran well on GB but it lags like there is no tomorrow on ICS. Another game that used to work perfectly in GB is Riptide GP, after I updated to 404, the game tends to hang the phone after a while, requiring a battery removal.
Other than this, the ICS update has several bugs including malfunctioning led notifications, no compass in google maps (this basically renders google maps unusable), and general clunky feel when scrolling through homescreens, when in GB the whole thing was smooth as silk. Even using a live wallpaper couldn't make the phone slow on GB, while on ICS it looks like even moving a bunch of icons is too much for this phone to handle.
Sure, ICS adds some eye candy such as the NXT theme which I really like, an animation for screen rotation, but I'd rather have a functional phone than a pretty but slow, clunky, unstable phone.
Again, I have no idea why you guys love ICS so much, GB is a lot better in every way imaginable, and as an added bonus, you can use all the Xperia S stuff on it without any problem, including the beautiful new music player.
ICS is simply a slow clunky mess which barely works. I'd love to know why you think it's better than GB.
not true .. it is laggy because it runs on 1ghz .. imagine if ur phone had 600mhz .. laggy as hell but weirdly htc desire c ... can run ics
be lucky that sony actually updated ur xperia ray unlike scamsung they didnt update the galaxy s to ics because its specs cant handle it but it has same specs as our ray
hope u understandd
This is the reason Sony wont provide more updates when they see such threads.....
Remember what they did to XPeria Play users...?
Sony released a Beta ICS for Xperia play and all users started complaining games are laggy !!, it sucks!!, ICS is fail!!... the end result was Sony cancelled ICS for Play..
You are wrong ics runs super smooth on galaxy ace 800mhz older gen cpu
jjdoctor said:
This is the reason Sony wont provide more updates when they see such threads.....
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You are wrong.
The user has every right in the world to complain if something doesn't work properly. I don't think the users complaining has anything to do with Play not receiving ICS.
ICS on Ray is slow and it is much worse than Gingerbread for whatever reason. Maybe our phone is not powerful enough to run ICS in the first place?
Also, I would have preferred an update to Gingerbread with all the Xperia S stuff and gingerbread 2.3.7 to this ICS which is exactly the same as gingerbread for the most part, only much slower and buggy.
A smartphone should be all about ease of use, if I have to resort to modding and overclocking to get the damn thing running at an acceptable level of performance, there has to be something very wrong with it.
MarkMRL said:
ICS on Ray is slow and it is much worse than Gingerbread for whatever reason.
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Sony did offer an explanation for this: ICS was made for a dual core phone with 1 GB RAM
although ICS is new and compelling in many ways, we would like all of our users to make an informed decision when selecting what Android™ software to use. We are actually proud to say that our Gingerbread software is very stable and has great performance, so it’s not a bad idea to stay on this release. Ice Cream Sandwich is more intensive, for example in terms of resource usage.
When it comes to ICS, it’s a major upgrade of Android™, and there are a lot of things that have changed compared to the Gingerbread release. Some of these changes affect the performance and stability of the system, for example by using more CPU power and RAM. ICS was developed with Galaxy Nexus in mind, which is based on a TI platform with dual-core processor and 1GB RAM
http://developer.sonymobile.com/wp/...nical-differences-between-gingerbread-and-ics
Phone is phone
Game console is game console
Phone is not a game console, and you would not get same experience....ever.
ICS is overall much better and functional than GB. Who wants to use 3.3" display for gaming has some serious mental problems :banghead:
Try custom ROMs
I have SE Xperia Ray and try almost all options (rooted/unrooted with custom ROMs or not) sincerely Stock firmware a little laggy in browser or then multitasking particularlry at version 4.03 BUT at 4.04 i see it a big difference in smoothness the OS is much stable. The big problem now is 512 RAM, problem until you root your phone and install custom ROM (you need to unlock bootloader without loosing DRM data) delete aplications who work in backround you really didn't need them like update, livemanager I was very happy when i unninstaled Gmaps that all time worked in background even if GPS off, and now I use Igo for GPS Navigation. Now I have KA20.2 ROM and I can you assure the phone are so smooth and stable. My advice: root your phone, unlock bootlader with a safe method ( I used S1) a install a custom ROM, here on XDA you may found so many nice performing ROMs, and of course remove useless aplication who work in backround and eat your precious RAM. And of course before you unlock bootloader and root the phone, install cwm, read the guides, exists a risk, you know so you need to be informed how to unlock bootloader, root your phone, use fastboot and flashboot mode, of course in the case you never rooted a phone.
Best regards.
YMMV
On my device I didn't encounter any bugs, lags or poor performance with the ICS.
It's stable, runs smoothly and has the same battery life I had with BG.
One can't say for a fact the ICS don't run well on this device, since other people have different experience with it. A person my note his personal experience - and it's just fine to do so!
costicladk said:
I have SE Xperia Ray and try almost all options (rooted/unrooted with custom ROMs or not) sincerely Stock firmware a little laggy in browser or then multitasking particularlry at version 4.03 BUT at 4.04 i see it a big difference in smoothness the OS is much stable. The big problem now is 512 RAM, problem until you root your phone and install custom ROM (you need to unlock bootloader without loosing DRM data) delete aplications who work in backround you really didn't need them like update, livemanager I was very happy when i unninstaled Gmaps that all time worked in background even if GPS off, and now I use Igo for GPS Navigation. Now I have KA20.2 ROM and I can you assure the phone are so smooth and stable. My advice: root your phone, unlock bootlader with a safe method ( I used S1) a install a custom ROM, here on XDA you may found so many nice performing ROMs, and of course remove useless aplication who work in backround and eat your precious RAM. And of course before you unlock bootloader and root the phone, install cwm, read the guides, exists a risk, you know so you need to be informed how to unlock bootloader, root your phone, use fastboot and flashboot mode, of course in the case you never rooted a phone.
Best regards.
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Where i can find i go navigation? it's free?
play games on ICS? ahaha you make me laugh. small screen but still eager to play games? LOL. go get Xperia Play mate, it build for gamers. i feel sorry for you then. GB is history for me. you'll never move forward if you keep looking back. neway, enjoy your phone mate
@MarkMRL: That's been my experience too, though I don't play games.
I haven't tried the latest ICS though, which people report as being much better.
I moved to CM7.2 - it's very fast, with lots of great features the stock ROM doesn't have.
At the end of the day use what you're happy with
ICS is not buggy but it needs time.
Ok so 1.ICS is better looking cause gingerbread is a pain to ur eyes
2. Its better optimized than gb games are slightly better
3. It is not just for non rooted phones. Like it needs lots of optimiztion. Cuz stock one ahs lot of procceses and u have only 50mb ram free at all time so thats why is laggy. But if you supercharge or smurph out you ray-bam its perfeckt
I have 130 apps lots of procceses running at backround 5 HD games i play and i still
have 120 mb free ram so.. you have wrong thoughts about ics on ray...
Hey man I was in the same boat as you, when I first upgraded to ice I asked myself WTF is this **** and I really hated it, it was slow as hell and laggy but you got to know that developers know a lot more than you and that everything happens for a reason. Sorry but you come across asa huge cry baby
A few weeks back I was almost in the same mind set as you are in right now, I thought gingerbread was the best and ics was just crap but boy was I wrong
follow these steps and il bet you'l make another thread about why you love ics this time
1. Backup all your data, contacts. Msgs and pics
2. Do a factory reset/full wipe
3. Use the seus/pc companion and do a "repair"
NOW YOUR PHONE SHOULD BE COMPLETE STOCK MODE
4. Root the phone
5. Go to developer options, uncheck "dont keep apps" and "limit background processes" remember UNCHECK
6. Change window&transistion animations to .5
7. Use se tweaker to get cwm
8. Use hansip87s system ui and framework mod smooth scrolling thing (this makes some neat changes and adds notification and control and status widgets to the notification panel and you dont have to use the stupid status widget and the lame control buttons
9. There are some build prop edits /hacks thread where I saw the code for faster UI and scrolling and smoother transistions
10. If you want to use some of the awesome ROMS here by the awesome devs
11. Delete this thread
12. ??????????????
13. PROFIT!!
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I bet you your device will be faster and better than gb now, also its not the end of the world so be patient sony will make it better with each update and please, if you want to game that much why did you buy a phone with a 3.3in screen bro? Pm me if u have any problems
Oh also use root explorer or any other app similar to uninstall the se bloatware crap, I always have 150-120 free RAM always now, plus ics seems to have ajdusted the internal memory a bit
Its better than gb (coming from someone who hated ics 2 weeks back)
rikee said:
Phone is phone
Game console is game console
Phone is not a game console, and you would not get same experience....ever.
ICS is overall much better and functional than GB. Who wants to use 3.3" display for gaming has some serious mental problems :banghead:
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This is not a "phone", it's a smartphone. It should be able to run games and internet browser. And 3.3 inches is more than enough for those silly smartphone games. Every game I tried is perfectly playable and looking good too. I'm not a "smartphone gamer" (just the name makes me cringe), but I enjoy wasting some time with those little games every now and then (I also have a PSP, DS and PSVita by the way). It annoys me that I was able to play certain games before but not anymore.
The point is that I was able to do all of that when I bought it, but now I can't do it anymore.
Icel.me said:
YMMV
On my device I didn't encounter any bugs, lags or poor performance with the ICS.
It's stable, runs smoothly and has the same battery life I had with BG.
One can't say for a fact the ICS don't run well on this device, since other people have different experience with it. A person my note his personal experience - and it's just fine to do so!
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Are you telling me your Ray has fully functional led notification and compass in google maps? Or that you can watch 720p youtube videos in the browser (or equivalent heavy browsing) without the crappy thing slowing down to a crawl or locking up entirely?
And no, I'm not crying I'm just stating facts.
Also, firefrenzy, that's exactly what I did when I updated to 404. I know all there is to know when it comes to installing stuff, I have unlocked bootloader and installed a stock kernel with CWM I found on this board, and also supercharged to 100%. Still horrible. I haven't tried ICS custom roms yet.
MarkMRL said:
Are you telling me your Ray has fully functional led notification and compass in google maps? Or that you can watch 720p youtube videos in the browser (or equivalent heavy browsing) without the crappy thing slowing down to a crawl or locking up entirely?
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i dont know about the compass in the maps because i dont use the google maps ever, but i have no problems with the led notification or lag when playing hd video through browser, i have multiple tabs, of xda developers and another bodybuilding forum tabs and im using whatsapp messenger and normal messenger with my earphones plugged in listening to music altogeather at once on an almost daily basis and im having no problems, sure all that is slurping away my battery but that is understandable, only issue i had was i could not charge the phone when "switched off" the phone used to go into a bootloop, but the awesome people here fixed that too
Also, firefrenzy, that's exactly what I did when I updated to 404. I know all there is to know when it comes to installing stuff, I have unlocked bootloader and installed a stock kernel with CWM I found on this board, and also supercharged to 100%. Still horrible. I haven't tried ICS custom roms yet.
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BRO TAKE OFF ALL THAT STUFF,CLEAR ALL CACHE AND DATA AND START OVER FROM STOCK, ICS IS BETTER THAT WAY
AND WHAT DO YOU MEAN UPGRADED TO 4.0.4, SE'S OFFICIAL IS STILL 4.0.3
ICS was smooth for me & it's smoother now i'm on JJ's Hybrid ROM.
Try a custom rom...
Run on 4.0.4 Original rooted with all bloat remove, including all FB stuff. It runns realy good. Sure get a redraw some times after surfing on some heavy sites or a long driveing session with waze. But in may normal daily use, read e-mail, check calander and make phone calls it runs realy well and lag free.
But the Sony dailer is crap, I use exDailer & Contacts, much better and faster.
This toic should be moved to general. Unless it helps developers in some way which i have a hard time believing.
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Q: Multitasking on Galaxy S3

I've read a few threads here concerning multitasking problems on the Galaxy S3. From what I gather, the reason multitasking sucks and apps constantly reload when reopened is due to bloatware running in the background using precious memory.
I have a Nexus 7 as well and multitasking on this thing is a dream. Hardly anything is ever reloaded. I've seen a few different suggested solutions but nothing 100% solid.
My S3 is stock (unrooted) and running JB 4.1.1. For some reason, my phone won't find the 4.1.2 update but that's another story in itself.
I'm just asking for people who have experienced this problem, apps constantly redrawing, what you all have done to fix this. What roms you've flashed, mods you've flashed or made etc. Maybe this can be made into a thread to help a lot of S3 users, a guide somewhat. This is my 2nd S3, I flashed a few ICS roms on the 1st one and it never made much of a difference in terms of memory management, but I don't know if the same could be said for JellyBean.
Any tips and advice much appreciated, thanks in advance!
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1888081
I use this as it supposedly helps memory management.
(+ You can flash 4.1.2)
International S III 16GB / Dualboot 4.1.2 Stock & Cyanogenmod 10.1 / Gokhan's SK 1.8.9
23Six said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1888081
I use this as it supposedly helps memory management.
(+ You can flash 4.1.2)
International S III 16GB / Dualboot 4.1.2 Stock & Cyanogenmod 10.1 / Gokhan's SK 1.8.9
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I just flashed 4.1.2, no big improvement..looks like I'll have to root and try this. Thanks a lot for the suggestion. Does it work well for you though ?
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Most custom roms seem ok for multitasking. Just don't flash any aggressive memory management mods coz they're gonna kill your app as soon as you open another.. "stock" custom roms do the trick for me unless I'm running a heavy game or something.
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jonathan_337 said:
I've read a few threads here concerning multitasking problems on the Galaxy S3. From what I gather, the reason multitasking sucks and apps constantly reload when reopened is due to bloatware running in the background using precious memory.
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Most S3 custom ROMs has bloatware removed already, but you could either delete the APK file in the ROM file or use ROMCleaner
jonathan_337 said:
For some reason, my phone won't find the 4.1.2 update but that's another story in itself.
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4.1.2 firmware update may not been released in your country
jonathan_337 said:
What roms you've flashed, mods you've flashed or made etc.
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I've ARHD 19 installed with Perseus kernel with no mods installed and it seems fine for me, but I do often close apps which I don't use
Incrauze said:
Most S3 custom ROMs has bloatware removed already, but you could either delete the APK file in the ROM file or use ROMCleaner
4.1.2 firmware update may not been released in your country
I've ARHD 19 installed with Perseus kernel with no mods installed and it seems fine for me, but I do often close apps which I don't use
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I've been flashing roms like crazy and none of them are as smooth as my Nexus 7 or my friend's Nexus 4..I've tried all the best AOSP roms and stock based roms and I can't be satisfied till it can be as smooth as a Nexus 4..its solely the ram management that's slowing everything down :'(
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I have never ever had a problem with multitasking. Is that probably only because I have the 2GB version of the Galaxy S3?
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I have the sane problem and flashed omega rom 4.1.2 and same problem reloads my app
high usageof ram is da problem
2gb version doesnt have this problem . only 1gb version di this
I understand what you're saying. Like you, i've searched and tested a lot to solve multitasking on stock roms (zram, swap in the internal sd, swap on external sd, tweaks like apps in ram increase, etc.) Far from satisfying. You can get jkay mod to lock your launcher in memory, that helps with the launcher redraws but one can't just lock everything in ram. zram had weird behaviours with extended use, swap works but makes all stuff generally slower, especially if used from the external sd and also has the sd wear potential problem.
I've came to terms with the reality that multitasking is essentially broken and since every other samsung phone on this range is getting 2Gb i gave up on samsung bothering to actually make this work properly. I don't even think newer phones have that fixed either, it's just there's probably enough ram not to care.
I was just about to put it up for sale so i tried aosp roms. Dude, this is where it's at, it's not that it's perfect but multitasking probably doesn't get any better than this for this phone. Tried slimrom and, granted, you do some "sacrifices" but multitask WORKS. I mean, stuff doesn't get closed after a while because for no reason - on stock, apps on background actually apeared to have a timer, they'd get closed even if i didn't do anything with the phone after a while (there's a limit of course). Also, i didn't compromise that much. Browser is actually better than stock's - does the same but it's faster and reflows text on zoom. Camera isn't THAT bad. You do lose all the effects from the stock camera but i never used them anyway and i can always get some other camera app for that, there's plenty anyway. I've seen people complaining about bluetooth but i use mine a lot and haven't come across any problem. Some say they have worse battery or microlags - to me battery's about the same as stock and had microlags anyway with stock, even worse since apps were restarting way more often.
TL: DR - try out an aosp rom. Made me reconsider selling my phone. For now.

[Q] Stock Touchwiz vs Rom (CM, MIUI)

I was wondering about the pros and cons of each. For example, right now I'm running MIUI, and it has the best experience of any rom I've used (I've been using MIUI since GB on my N1 - only recently upgraded to the GSIII). But, I really like the way Milk Music looks, and I can only get that particular app if I'm running a near-stock touchwiz based rom.
I was wondering if there was a way to get the best of both worlds? Or if I should stay away from stock entirely, or if there are any other benefits I'm missing!
Hello !
I believe this is one of the hardest question to reply ever "stock or aosp/aokp/miui".
For me, everything depends on what you want to do with your phone. Exellent battery life would be stock rom, but more smoothness would be cm, for exemple.
NewbieFTW said:
Hello !
I believe this is one of the hardest question to reply ever "stock or aosp/aokp/miui".
For me, everything depends on what you want to do with your phone. Exellent battery life would be stock rom, but more smoothness would be cm, for exemple.
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It's mostly about appearance and functionality for me. I'm pretty good on battery life, and have a battery backup if needed. I love how clean MIUI looks. It's always looked obsessively clean, and I love it for that. It also lets me arrange my status bar into the iOS style (I like the battery on one side, signal on the other - clock in the middle).
MIUI with Aviate as my launcher seems to work wonders, and MIUI has a lot of great features - built in data monitor, app and trash cleaners, just a lot of great things to keep the phone running smooth.
But I want the samsung support as well. I like a lot of the touchwiz stuff (minus the actual launcher), and I enjoy having my data backed up with them (MIUI backs up my data, but not all of it, really). And I am absurdly interested in the Milk Music app. But when you look at stock/near-stock touchwiz based roms that have the samsung support and the camera app, and the like, you're stuck with the stock UI as well. Which is nice, mind you - leaps and bounds better than it was in previous versions, but still leaps and bounds behind the work that MIUI has done to give it the smooth feel I've come to expect.
If only there was a way to get the Samsung Framework on MIUI, I think all my problems would be solved.
I never tried MIUI, because I don't really fancy the iOS style..
I think, the perfect rom would be a mix of CM, stock rom, and maybe MIUI too, but I believe that's impossible to make.. :/
Stock:
Pros:Usually completely stable,Full warranty,Apps is usually better designed/has more features,Can use official updates easily,More Secure(Without root of course)Usually looks better(my opinion)
Cons:
(may be a bit slow)
Inefficient
Unrooted
Bootloader may be locked
High ram usage
Custom
Pros:
Usually faster than stock
Usually pre-rooted
More efficient
Usually quicker update timeframe
Less space is used
Easier to install certain apps
Cons:
Loss of warranty
Unstable
Errors
Insecure(rooted)
Apps are more plain (less features/looks)

Looking for a stock style ROM heavily optomised for speed

Hi all,
I have an INTL 9300 (1gb ram) and it's SLOWLY KILLING ME.
I hate Cyanogenmod and I like Touchwiz, I like the skin, I like the dialler, I LOVE the scheduled SMS function in the SMS app, I like the contacts, I like most stuff. I just want a ROM which is memory optomised if that's possible? Does such a thing exist? Something which disables S-Voice and disables the camera watching your eye and all the other little things.
I've turned off what I can already but my phone is still quite painful.
Does anyone have a suggested ROM for this? I literally don't need any new features.
I've currently got JSS15J.I9300XXUGMK6 (ROOTED) but otherwise stock.
Is there anything which is up to date but somehow the free memory usage is as high as possible?
Thank you all for your time.
IMHO best touchwiz based rom out there is back-to-n00t KK 4.4.4
Sent from my GT-I9300 using XDA Free mobile app
Frag1le said:
IMHO best touchwiz based rom out there is back-to-n00t KK 4.4.4
Sent from my GT-I9300 using XDA Free mobile app
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So low on memory usage then?
wizzbang3 said:
Hi all,
I have an INTL 9300 (1gb ram) and it's SLOWLY KILLING ME.
I hate Cyanogenmod and I like Touchwiz, I like the skin, I like the dialler, I LOVE the scheduled SMS function in the SMS app, I like the contacts, I like most stuff. I just want a ROM which is memory optomised if that's possible? Does such a thing exist? Something which disables S-Voice and disables the camera watching your eye and all the other little things.
I've turned off what I can already but my phone is still quite painful.
Does anyone have a suggested ROM for this? I literally don't need any new features.
I've currently got JSS15J.I9300XXUGMK6 (ROOTED) but otherwise stock.
Is there anything which is up to date but somehow the free memory usage is as high as possible?
Thank you all for your time.
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What you are asking is like asking for a female model that can run faster than hardcore male runners.
Touchwiz will always be sluggish.
I honestly dont know about that Back-to-noot because I hate the old Samsung Touchwiz,and therefore use roms like S5 Sensation,Blekota S5 Lite and Note 4 Lite.
From those 3,S5 Sensation felt the smoothest.
Any you can try using Seeder ------Seeder Youtube video
Try QS 4.4.2 rom, excellent battery, ram & smooth. Use with Agni kernel for easy tweaking. QS has combined hard & soft mod in a zip for latest release. If you want a slimmer version, try his clean ported NI2 version or use QS based Skywalker rom (300+mb only)
The Marionette said:
What you are asking is like asking for a female model that can run faster than hardcore male runners.
Touchwiz will always be sluggish.
I honestly dont know about that Back-to-noot because I hate the old Samsung Touchwiz,and therefore use roms like S5 Sensation,Blekota S5 Lite and Note 4 Lite.
From those 3,S5 Sensation felt the smoothest.
Any you can try using Seeder ------Seeder Youtube video
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If Touchwiz is slightly slower than Cyanogen / stock google, that's fine by me. I'm more curious if some of the stock samsung apps which are bloatish can be disabled. I know several things can be turned off and un-installed manually by a new phone owner with root but I was curious if other optimisations were possible by ROM developers, dunno.
I think back-to-n00t KK 4.4.4 meant to be a base rom, if you try it you will understand what I mean :laugh:
instead of back-to-n00t KK 4.4.4 you can use Blekota Note 4 Lite v3 :good: Blekota Note 4 Lite v3 uses back-to-n00t KK 4.4.4 as a base ROM and it's very stable! also it's AROMA so you can choose what to install so if you choose wisely you will get a solid, shiny operating system for your old fella :victory:
Try S5 Sensation
Back to n00t is fine, but you can give S5 Sensation a try as well. You have the Aroma installer, you can cut down the bloatware, S-Voice and other stuff, and just have what you want.
Its pretty stable, good battery life and OK performace, unless you're a heavy user. For daily use, its perfect.!
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Back to n00t is fine, but you can give S5 Sensation a try as well. You have the Aroma installer, you can cut down the bloatware, S-Voice and other stuff, and just have what you want.
Its pretty stable, good battery life and OK performace, unless you're a heavy user. For daily use, its perfect.!
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Totally agree with you

[Q] Gaming rom

Hi guys, I'm searching for a rom which works great with games, any ideas?
No one is going to answer you because of the rules. I'm trying to find it to for the last six months. In my opinion is best if you have some knowledge if you don't you will have to read for a while, to use you latest stock rom. But you will have to deodex it, zipallighn it, apply the modes you like from other rom if there are some and remove the bloatwear not all just the one that is safe to remove and you don't need. And perhaps replace touchwiz with nova launcher. It's just that here are very sensitive on questions about best rom. For the past six months I've downloaded a lot of roms and after a while having problems with all of them- here I mean problems with playing games. And till now the best experience I had was with stock rom but then I was missing some futures, mods from others. So only solution as I don't wanna search for another 6 monts is make my own. By the way the qiestion is not which is the best rom but which is the best for games or in other words on which rom I'll have no or less problems but stil for here is like you ask which is the best.
So make your own rom deodex and zipallighn for speed, remove the app you don't need because most of the bloatwear has running processes all the time so you can have more free ram and then if you want some extra mods.
I hope this is helpful although it mean you have a lot to read if you are new at that.
As previously stated, stock roms are the best all rounders and in my opinion much better than custom roms hands down.
As soon as you root a samsung you can expect performance issues. Had the same problem on all 3 samsung devices I've owned. This led me to not touch my htc m9 at all as far as mods go..
I wish I stole my HTC M9.
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No one is going to answer you because of the rules. I'm trying to find it to for the last six months. In my opinion is best if you have some knowledge if you don't you will have to read for a while, to use you latest stock rom. But you will have to deodex it, zipallighn it, apply the modes you like from other rom if there are some and remove the bloatwear not all just the one that is safe to remove and you don't need. And perhaps replace touchwiz with nova launcher. It's just that here are very sensitive on questions about best rom. For the past six months I've downloaded a lot of roms and after a while having problems with all of them- here I mean problems with playing games. And till now the best experience I had was with stock rom but then I was missing some futures, mods from others. So only solution as I don't wanna search for another 6 monts is make my own. By the way the qiestion is not which is the best rom but which is the best for games or in other words on which rom I'll have no or less problems but stil for here is like you ask which is the best.
So make your own rom deodex and zipallighn for speed, remove the app you don't need because most of the bloatwear has running processes all the time so you can have more free ram and then if you want some extra mods.
I hope this is helpful although it mean you have a lot to read if you are new at that.
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Thanks for an answer.
I've used a lot of roms too, I've been changing them every week and I'm really enjoying ArchiDroid with android 5.1.1. I'm definitely going to try installing latest stock and doing what you told me to, I never liked stocks though.
shivadow said:
As previously stated, stock roms are the best all rounders and in my opinion much better than custom roms hands down.
As soon as you root a samsung you can expect performance issues. Had the same problem on all 3 samsung devices I've owned. This led me to not touch my htc m9 at all as far as mods go..
I wish I stole my HTC M9.
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I can't live without root, I'm using a lot of tweaks and rooted apps. Stock roms were always laggy and slow for me, maybe I just can't use them properly.
Stock ROMs are laggy on legacy devices.
New devices works perfectly good on Stock ROMs. This is why they have lesser Custom ROMs and older devices still has some ongoing developments.
I've never had any performance issue after rooting my Sonys and Samsungs. I always had better performance and recommend custom ROMs because they work better for me. Please bear in mind that my latest device is the S3 which has 1GB RAM while other new phones are going 4GB so my opinion only stops here : On old devices. On new devices , I've played with my friends Note 3 alot and we reached a conclusion that it works flawless even on Stock ROM.
For a gaming ROM , I would suggest ArchiDroid if you are going CM. Latest Archidroid Lollipop works flawlessly for me (Even while using Chrome with 11 Tabs. No lags and reloads while switching tabs). Runs NFS:Most Wanted , Cyrus and alot other major games that I've tested run on full FPS without a single lag. However , Hearthstone will never work good on S3 even on this magnificent ROM. Go for Archidroid for both KitKat and Lollipop if you want Performance. Go for Temasek (Darkened's build) if you want balanced Performance , customization and slightly better Battery life. Other ROMs work too , they may have more customization (Blisspop) etc but I did not list them because they are too heavy for a Gaming ROM In my opinion. AOKP KitKat is also a fair choice to go for.
For Touchwiz Based ROMs, I would say LukeROM. Install without Bloat and enjoy a smooth ROM even on stock kernel and no Greenify. NFS:Most Wanted , Cytus and other major games that I've tested also runs on full FPS without lag. It also has stock Camera and Note 4 Multiwindow that allow floating app like Messenger Chat Head. However , Chrome makes this ROM die on stock kernel. 4 or 5 tabs and it starts reloading when switching tabs. NeatROM Lite is also a good choice if you're fine with Android 4.3 and a Bluetooth Bug where NFC gets turn on too when you connect to a Bluetooth device. (Might be device specific bug since I don't see a lot of comments about that bug). Blekota's S5 Lite ROM with Boeffla kernel and Speed Mod also works flawless. Check my post on that thread for tutorial.(Posted few months back)
These are my personal experience with various ROMs for I9300. I've flashed almost every ROM that came to XDA and a few other Chinese forums since January 2014 and these are my conclusions. Please bear in mind that the same ROM might perform differently for different users with different usage and settings. Have a nice day
@conanDO98 Thanks for an answer, you just put everything in a whole new light to me. I'm on Luke's rom for like an hour now, it works great. But i do have a question, you said "no greenify", may I ask why? I always thought it's good for performance.
I have 550 free ram running cm 12(gaaps pico installed)now looking for a custom kernel to overclock...can u sugest me one?
@nolitooo When I was on cm12 I was using an ArchiKernel, it worked great. There's always boeffla kernel, with boeffla config app, try them both and pick your best
MichAzer said:
@conanDO98 Thanks for an answer, you just put everything in a whole new light to me. I'm on Luke's rom for like an hour now, it works great. But i do have a question, you said "no greenify", may I ask why? I always thought it's good for performance.
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I'm sorry. By no greenify I mean I did not install Greenify on that ROM.
I suggest flashing Boeffla 7.9 on Luke ROM because after flashing I find the ROM smoother and Chrome works better
@conanDO98 I'm gonna flash it now and see how it works
I've tried archdroid it's not that it wasn't good just searching for better. I play a lot call of duty heroes which is laggy with all the roms i've tried so far but with most of them after a few days the game starts to crash, to close by itself but I don't need a rom that I need to restart every few hours or every day.
I'll try Luke Rom in a few days and will see if it's better. I guess that part of the problem is that most of the time I have installed around 80 apps by me. Some games, for alarm, calculator, apps like facebook, line, soundhound, xposed with some mods and others.
About the kernel I like boeffla with his options but for some reason I have less apps closing by itself with stock.
petkovmt said:
I've tried archdroid it's not that it wasn't good just searching for better. I play a lot call of duty heroes which is laggy with all the roms i've tried so far but with most of them after a few days the game starts to crash, to close by itself but I don't need a rom that I need to restart every few hours or every day.
I'll try Luke Rom in a few days and will see if it's better. I guess that part of the problem is that most of the time I have installed around 80 apps by me. Some games, for alarm, calculator, apps like facebook, line, soundhound, xposed with some mods and others.
About the kernel I like boeffla with his options but for some reason I have less apps closing by itself with stock.
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I think stock roms are better for gaming, I play a lot of games, I was using cm12.1 and archidroid for few months and gaming was nice, but not what I was looking for. Now I'm on Luke ROM with boeffla 7.9 and gaming is so much better then on lollipop. I haven't played CoD Heroes though.
I did try the Luke rom but after a few days had some problems with some games, back on stock and all perfect. Now just have to download some tools and have free time and will deodex and zipaligh it. And some other mods if I find some good.
MichAzer said:
I think stock roms are better for gaming, I play a lot of games, I was using cm12.1 and archidroid for few months and gaming was nice, but not what I was looking for. Now I'm on Luke ROM with boeffla 7.9 and gaming is so much better then on lollipop. I haven't played CoD Heroes though.
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What's a good rom to play garena free on galaxy s3 T mobile (d2tmo)?

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