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this isn't a legit versus, i just need some advice on which tablet i may enjoy more.
I love to watch youtube, i love to surf the net and play flash games.. I love to read books.
my main uses i got out of my ipad 1 was utube and browsing, but i can't handle lag... will this device be faster then the ipad 1? in all aspects? Is the ipad 2 really that big of a leap from the first?
edit: i used the ipad mainly for these little things, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't love other things. I have no idea what this tablet can do, i only did those simple things before because i couldn't find any other uses out of my ipad.
For you use, either one is fine. In fact, you should save some money and pickup the original Transformer and that should be enough for your usage.
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For you use, either one is fine. In fact, you should save some money and pickup the original Transformer and that should be enough for your usage.
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Either device should be fine really.
In terms of Youtube, Browsing, and Flash Games, the Transformer has an advantage as you have the OPTION of Adobe Flash. Sure it slows browser speed and drains battery but at least you have the option and you can disable it to achieve "normal" speed.
For me, im getting the Transformer because I like the flexibility Android gives as well as the dock option. That way I could walk around with the Prime as a tablet with just the screen and dock it when im going to be sitting down and doing something.
You should also note that the Android Tablet market is far behind the Apple Tablet market. There are not too many apps for Android Tablets atm (which im sure will change eventually like it did for smartphone apps). You could look at your favourite IOS Apps and try to see if you can find them in the Android market.
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Either device should be fine really.
In terms of Youtube, Browsing, and Flash Games, the Transformer has an advantage as you have the OPTION of Adobe Flash. Sure it slows browser speed and drains battery but at least you have the option and you can disable it to achieve "normal" speed.
For me, im getting the Transformer because I like the flexibility Android gives as well as the dock option. That way I could walk around with the Prime as a tablet with just the screen and dock it when im going to be sitting down and doing something.
You should also note that the Android Tablet market is far behind the Apple Tablet market. There are not too many apps for Android Tablets atm (which im sure will change eventually like it did for smartphone apps). You could look at your favourite IOS Apps and try to see if you can find them in the Android market.
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truth be told i do like the little games, but there not a huge deal to me, every once and awhile i would go look at a top 10 and find a few games, spend an hour or so on them and be done. Games are fun, but im sure android will be enough for me.
Im concerned that with flash on the browser will be laggy? even with the quad core?
what other things have people found they like to do with there tablet?
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truth be told i do like the little games, but there not a huge deal to me, every once and awhile i would go look at a top 10 and find a few games, spend an hour or so on them and be done. Games are fun, but im sure android will be enough for me.
Im concerned that with flash on the browser will be laggy? even with the quad core?
what other things have people found they like to do with there tablet?
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There are a bunch of reviews on this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370912
Regarding flash, it will definitely be slower than HTML5 but it is definitely still usable. Generally flash should be kept off unless you are on a site that is not compatible with HTML5.
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There are a bunch of reviews on this thread
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1370912
Regarding flash, it will definitely be slower than HTML5 but it is definitely still usable. Generally flash should be kept off unless you are on a site that is not compatible with HTML5.
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not sure what HTML.5 is... im pretty choked to hear that my browsing will be laggy with my flash on. I don't know nothing about nothing, but 4 cores can't handle flash? that sucks.
Why not go to best buy (or wherever) and play with the original transformer TF101? Browse to some flash websites and see how they feel.
Until any of us actually get or hands on one of these, all of these helpful comments are just based on speculation and "hearsay"
I wouldn't mind knowing what people liked to do with there old android tablet.
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not sure what HTML.5 is... im pretty choked to hear that my browsing will be laggy with my flash on. I don't know nothing about nothing, but 4 cores can't handle flash? that sucks.
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HTML5 is a number of API's and technologies that add new functionality to the modern web. Modern web consists of PHP or other server side engine that generates pages of HTML for you, HTML itself that is sent to your browser and is rendered by your browser, CSS that styles how HTML looks and JavaScript that modifies what is displayed by your browser.
HTML5 is an incremental update to most of those technologies. It consists of new HTML elements that your browser knows how to display (like video and audio without flash), it consists of CSS3 which includes new rules that describe to your browser how to display certain HTML elements (like rounded and gradient buttons that so far have been only possible with pictures only) and new JavaScript API's that allow your browser to draw Flash-like animations, store data locally in new ways or use geolocation in your device.
As a regular user you won't notice a difference in the end, HTML5 is still not an official standard but after a while it will replace all existing Flash in the web. For example, many browser-supported games already work without Flash (including Angry Birds) and sites like YouTube have an option to already work entirely without Flash and display videos through HTML5 only.
In few years time Flash won't exist in any of the major services you are using today and most users won't even notice a difference while web will be faster and more standardized in the end.
Possible uses:
- manga reading: install one of manga reader apps (I recommend Manga Watcher, tried a number of them and this one is the best) and create your manga library... it downloads them from assorted web sites and stores on your tablet
- ebook reading: best app would be MoonReader (it's free, and there is MoonReader Pro, paid version)
- comics (cbr/cbz)
- movies: Original TF plays well up to SD (640x480) and widescreen (maybe up to 800ish x 400ish, 720p is hit and miss, usually too slow. With all software updates it plays well up to 720p but not 1080p. Try RockPlayer and MoboPlayer
- Netflix
- games: there is better stuff than flash games... look for THD-labelled games. Also stuff from Gameloft. Still, I would expect iPad 2 to be better in this regard.
- as a notebook if you have a keyboard... its Office app package is usable for taking notes etc, but it's definitely not in the same class as the regular MS Office which you can have on a Windows netbook.
- Skype? Not using it myself, but it should be a decent Skype device.
No Gameloft games work on the Transformer.
Well, at least gameloft doesn't allow Transformer users to buy their game for whatever dumb reason they have.
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I wouldn't mind knowing what people liked to do with there old android tablet.
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Most common uses for me:
- handwriting for studies (also on PDF books),
- games
- reading PDF books (those that my Kindle can't handle) and comic books,
- reading news and www in general,
- youtube videos,
- e-learning (I study in a mode where half of the lessons is on the internet).
I'm an iPad 1 owner that is getting an Transformer Prime.
I bought my iPad because there were no good Android 10 inch tablets at the time. I tried upgrading to an original Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1, but Honeycomb really disappointed me. So I returned those and stuck with the iPad.
Flash used to be important to me. It's less important now. I still want it to play videos, because a lot of videos are still Flash only. I would not use it for Flash based web games though. Flash really kills browser performance. So it's a double edged sword. But still nice to have.
For me a big deal with an Android tablet over an iPad are things like having micro SD and HDMI ports. I can easily supplement my storage and pretty much have unlimited storage capacity by just buying more SD cards. And I can plug in my tablet easily to my TV (without the need of a big ass ugly adapter).
iPad certainly dominates when it comes to apps. But Android actually has a pretty decent selection of apps that work well. Unfortunately sometimes I find an Android version of an app to be inferior to an iPad version, such as TuneIn. But it's usually not to big an issue.
Not sure if the iPad 2 supports USB controllers. I know I can plug in a USB keyboard with it's adapter. I may end up playing 3D games on my Transformer Prime though because Android support game controllers (I'll need to buy a big ass ugly USB adapter like the iPad though).
I'm really torn on which screen ratio I like more. At first 16:10 was my obvious favorite. But after using an iPad for well over a year. I'm kinda found that 4:3 ratio has some pretty nice points as well. If I want to hold the tablet in one hand, I found it's more comfortable to do that in portrait mode. 16:10 tablets are way too narrow to read many websites in that position, while 4:3 still has more width for that.
iPad has a much smoother overall experience. Android 4.0 looks like it's improving, but they seem to still be behind trying to catch up. But on the other hand Android let me put my icons where I want, use widgets and customize my UI a lot more.
I really liked my iPad. And the iPad 2 looks great. But for me the Transformer Prime is an no brainer.
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No Gameloft games work on the Transformer.
Well, at least gameloft doesn't allow Transformer users to buy their game for whatever dumb reason they have.
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Is this really true? I hope not as I have a ton of great game loft games on my iPad that I hope will be on Android also once I get the Prime. Even of it doesn't let you download the game, can't you side load it or install the game from another android device if you put the APK on it? Why would game loft make such a dumb move. It's not like their apple only as I see some older game loft titles on other android devices. Asus prime with tegra3 would be perfect to showcase the great games they put out. I won't base decision on getting tablet based solely on video games. I don't have any home console systems anymore and haven't for a long time but my iPad 1 is now my only source for playing video games and served that purpose very well. Game loft needs to get with the program ASAP. Anyone know the reason why they won't work on Transformer? I have tegra2 Atrix phone and side loaded Order n chaos up there and it played perfectly. This was even before they officially real eased it to be compatible. Thanks to this great XDA forum . So if it could play perfectly on my Atrix phone, I'm sure the original transformer or the new prime shouldn't have any trouble pushing it.
As far as other uses for tablets, it's what you make the most of it. I do all these things other posters stated and more on my ipad1. Trust me, a lot more can be done with these Android and apple tablets than most people believe. It's not all about playing games and watching movies or you tube..lol. These are and can be great productivity devices and make things a lot easier and more efficient. Since I got my iPad almost 2 years ago or whatever, I've never used a regular computer since. Whether it be a desktop or laptop. Never had the need to. Everything I can do so much faster with my iPad. As I have it jail broken and modded out like crazy to allow me to do most things a regular pc can do. Everyones needs will be different. I'm still amazed with this tablet just like the first day I got it. Can't wait to get my hands on the Prime and fall in love all over again.
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I'm an iPad 1 owner that is getting an Transformer Prime.
I bought my iPad because there were no good Android 10 inch tablets at the time. I tried upgrading to an original Transformer and Galaxy Tab 10.1, but Honeycomb really disappointed me. So I returned those and stuck with the iPad.
Flash used to be important to me. It's less important now. I still want it to play videos, because a lot of videos are still Flash only. I would not use it for Flash based web games though. Flash really kills browser performance. So it's a double edged sword. But still nice to have.
For me a big deal with an Android tablet over an iPad are things like having micro SD and HDMI ports. I can easily supplement my storage and pretty much have unlimited storage capacity by just buying more SD cards. And I can plug in my tablet easily to my TV (without the need of a big ass ugly adapter).
iPad certainly dominates when it comes to apps. But Android actually has a pretty decent selection of apps that work well. Unfortunately sometimes I find an Android version of an app to be inferior to an iPad version, such as TuneIn. But it's usually not to big an issue.
Not sure if the iPad 2 supports USB controllers. I know I can plug in a USB keyboard with it's adapter. I may end up playing 3D games on my Transformer Prime though because Android support game controllers (I'll need to buy a big ass ugly USB adapter like the iPad though).
I'm really torn on which screen ratio I like more. At first 16:10 was my obvious favorite. But after using an iPad for well over a year. I'm kinda found that 4:3 ratio has some pretty nice points as well. If I want to hold the tablet in one hand, I found it's more comfortable to do that in portrait mode. 16:10 tablets are way too narrow to read many websites in that position, while 4:3 still has more width for that.
iPad has a much smoother overall experience. Android 4.0 looks like it's improving, but they seem to still be behind trying to catch up. But on the other hand Android let me put my icons where I want, use widgets and customize my UI a lot more.
I really liked my iPad. And the iPad 2 looks great. But for me the Transformer Prime is an no brainer.
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Great points as I'm an ipad1 owner also. I use it for everything. Feel the same way as ipad1 and 2 is great BUT Transformer Prime will be my next device. As it seems more future proof. Plus you won't necessarily need adapter for game controller for Android, it's been stated and seen the bluettooth wireless gamepads are supported now on Android. Lots of reviews where people using new transformer prime with logitech wireless controller. Asus also states it will work with Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, and most other wireless models also. So wireless controller gaming on original and transformer prime already been confirmed.
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Lots of reviews where people using new transformer prime with logitech wireless controller. Asus also states it will work with Wii, PS3, Xbox 360, and most other wireless models also. So wireless controller gaming on original and transformer prime already been confirmed.
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At first when they mentioned wireless game controller support, I assumed I could use my Xbox 360 controller without having to plug in the receiver. But then I noticed in some reviews the guys had to plug in the wireless USB receiver with their Logitech controller ASUS gave them. So now I'm assuming the Xbox controller will be the same, need to plug in the wireless receiver to work. Which kinda makes "wireles support of game controllers" kinda silly marketing bull if true.
To me the worst part about the iPad is the screen, or more specifically, the screen resolution. I bought the original iPad when it came out, and the reading experience was just crappy - the fonts were just fuzzy and it tired my eyes too fast.
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At first when they mentioned wireless game controller support, I assumed I could use my Xbox 360 controller without having to plug in the receiver. But then I noticed in some reviews the guys had to plug in the wireless USB receiver with their Logitech controller ASUS gave them. So now I'm assuming the Xbox controller will be the same, need to plug in the wireless receiver to work. Which kinda makes "wireles support of game controllers" kinda silly marketing bull if true.
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I noticed that also. I guess it depends on the type or wireless controller it is. Of it relies on just bluetooth, then I don't think you will need a receiver plugged into USB port. Some videos show no piece hooked up and the wireless controller working fine. I guess through Bluetooth.
As an owner of both an iPad 2, and 2 Android tablets, If you want Youtube, and flash games, android is the only way to go.
The Android Youtube app is much less restrictive. Most VEVO content, and music videos can be played, whereas most music videos are blocked on the iPad app.
Flash isn't even available on the iPad, but it kinda makes up for it since there are many more games on Apple's AppStore, but as much as I love paying money for games, free flash based games are better.
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I'm web developer for many years and if Flash is properly optimized it will take less power-processor usage then HTML5, also when people say HTML5 have in mind HTML5 on its own can't do much, it must work with CSS2/3 and JavaScript to be able to do some proper "stuff".
Flash will rock on games and video especially HD and that will be the future, HTML5/CSS3/JavaScript will take more websites. But Flash and Flex will remain as superb choice for creating advanced RIA's or Apps for Tablets and Smartphones.
Flash and Flex has unique very advanced GUI that no other solution on this planet can compete with and when they would be able to, Flash technology will have even more features than what they have.
So entertainment Flash is #1 choice for a long long time to come. Just keep yourself updated with latest versions and you'll be all good.
I like HTML5/CSS3/JS but you gotta make ton of manual coding, where in Flash you can simply do drag&drops and do this far more easily then in any other technology. Not to mention components for developers, it's just too easy comparing to anything else.
Hi all,
I was hoping someone could offer some advice.
I am due to be working away from home for half the month and at the moment my set up at home consists of a beast of a gaming rig. I don't want to fork out for an expensive gaming laptop and thought the prime might be a good option for me.
So a few questions...
1. How do the remote desktop applications fare on the prime? Essentially I would need to use the prime to wake up my pc at home, control torrent downloads and maybe play a game with low graphic demands like football manager (i'm not expecting BF3 or other FPS...could an MMO work via remote desktop? like TOR?)
2. With regards to the "cloud storage" do you get 2gb with the transformer prime? if so can this also be accessed via a pc at home? So I could for example...
Remotely download a movie.
Put the movie file onto the cloud storage.
Access the movie file from my prime so that I can watch it in an area without wifi.
3. Is there a way to add a 3g dongle to the prime?
4. I am due a phone upgrade in March. I currently have a HTC desire which has stood the test of time for it's 2 year contract. Money is a little tight so I was considering getting my phone upgrade and sticking it on ebay to cover most of the prime's cost. I figure I only need a phone for calls and the built in sat nav and the prime can do the rest. also my HTC desire can only get me £75 from mobile recycling places.
5. As I have to wait until March is there a tablet I have overlooked which will be released in March that would be superior to this...basically if i am waiting until March should I hold out for something else?
Thanks in advance for the replies everyone!
John
advance for the replies everyone
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advance for the replies everyone
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Funny, any chance of getting a serious answer though?
100+ views and no proper response?
am i doing something wrong?
1 the preloaded software only works when the laptop is already in but it is smooth enough to play something simple
2 yes download movie in PC upload top cloud storage them you can watch it without wifi our already some services allow that
3 no 3g dongle it's a wifi tablet
4 get the nexus a you can find them cheap and feet ics on them
5 tablets well be the same by March all quad core all same resolution that's my view anyway all you can do its wait and pick on personal opinion
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1 the preloaded software only works when the laptop is already in but it is smooth enough to play something simple
2 yes download movie in PC upload top cloud storage them you can watch it without wifi our already some services allow that
3 no 3g dongle it's a wifi tablet
4 get the nexus a you can find them cheap and feet ics on them
5 tablets well be the same by March all quad core all same resolution that's my view anyway all you can do its wait and pick on personal opinion
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Hi thanks for the response!
As per 1. Could you elaborate a bit more about the pre loaded software...also what do you mean by "only works when the laptop is already in"
Thanks,
John
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Hi thanks for the response!
As per 1. Could you elaborate a bit more about the pre loaded software...also what do you mean by "only works when the laptop is already in"
Thanks,
John
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I meant already on* so the laptop has to be open already so you can't turn it on from the tablet and go into the my cloud app then my desktop there is the software to do this
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Hi all,
1. How do the remote desktop applications fare on the prime? Essentially I would need to use the prime to wake up my pc at home, control torrent downloads and maybe play a game with low graphic demands like football manager (i'm not expecting BF3 or other FPS...could an MMO work via remote desktop? like TOR?)
I use Teamviewer, it runs the computer just like I was in front of it, never tried major gaming on it though. I don't think it would work well since most of the login apps out there decrease colors and other things to enhance performance.
2. With regards to the "cloud storage" do you get 2gb with the transformer prime? if so can this also be accessed via a pc at home? So I could for example...
You get 8 gb, and yes you can access/sync it from any computer. I use it to sync my work, Prime, and home computer files
Remotely download a movie.
Put the movie file onto the cloud storage.
Access the movie file from my prime so that I can watch it in an area without wifi.
In order to do that it will have to be downloaded first to your prime, but it can be done.
3. Is there a way to add a 3g dongle to the prime?
Don't know
4. I am due a phone upgrade in March. I currently have a HTC desire which has stood the test of time for it's 2 year contract. Money is a little tight so I was considering getting my phone upgrade and sticking it on ebay to cover most of the prime's cost. I figure I only need a phone for calls and the built in sat nav and the prime can do the rest. also my HTC desire can only get me £75 from mobile recycling places.
5. As I have to wait until March is there a tablet I have overlooked which will be released in March that would be superior to this...basically if i am waiting until March should I hold out for something else?
right now it really is a waiting game to see what other tablets come out by then, if any. Probably the Ipad3 will be out, and I would guess 1-2 more Tegra 3 tabs, but they may hit production delays just like the prime did, no one really knows, right now it is a crap shoot. The great part is this tab is going to be competitive with anything that comes out next year for the most part.
Thanks in advance for the replies everyone!
John
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You can control your PC over the internet using TeamViewer. No, you won't be able to play an MMO or do other major gaming on it. I guarantee you that TOR will be a slideshow, you'll be able to gather nodes (if you log near them) and manage Crew Missions but that's about it.
If you are running Windows7 you will need to use a Magic Packet to wake your PC to manage torrents, etc. I believe there is also an Android app that will remotely manage Mircotorrent (aka uTorrent) remotely without requiring you to manage your PC.
You can share your files via DropBox (or similar) as long as you are mindful of the 2GB limit.
No better tablet has been announced for March release yet, and if it were (given the industry standard of badly slipped release dates) I wouldn't count on it. Now if one had been announced with a January release....
You can remote in using Splashtop HD to remote in. It transmits both video and audio. Just have to install remote viewer software on the pc.
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In relation to the 3g single question, Asus feel that as android phones can tether then peeople would just tether to their prime. Obviously they are assuming that everyone with a prime will already have a smart phone with tethering available, this is a stretch.
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wow some fantastic comments thank you all.
I think there has to be a limit to expectation here. I'm not expecting the remote desktop to run things perfectly but it won't be it's primary function otherwise I'd just get a laptop.
So £500 then...I wonder if carphonewarehouse would do a deal if you buy a contract from them.
splashtop HD or built in splashtop in mycloud in mydesktop should work fine for video or gaming. just make sure to load reviewer on to PC. pretty simple setup. load reviewer on PC. load on tablet. enter names and passwords on both devices and your good to go.
another thing to look at for gaming is OnLive. its out for Android. allows you to play PC/console/Indie games through the cloud on OnLive servers. response time is fastest out there and basically no lag. feels just as if you natively playing the game. there are some great games up there like PC/Nvidia optimized Batman Arkham City, Homefront fps, Metro 2033, unreal tournament(PC version), etc.. the games look and play great on the prime. no loss in quality basically. the app is free from marketplace. free to make an account. you get to play all the games with a free 30 min. trial period. you can flat out buy the game but best seems to be the bundle package. for $9.99 a month you have unlimited access to 100's of top notch PC/console games. I was playing Darksiders, through OnLive, on my prime. no lag at all, graphics looked sick. definitely a cool experience and great deal considering the caliber and number of games they have up there.
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splashtop HD or built in splashtop in mycloud in mydesktop should work fine for video or gaming. just make sure to load reviewer on to PC. pretty simple setup. load reviewer on PC. load on tablet. enter names and passwords on both devices and your good to go.
another thing to look at for gaming is OnLive. its out for Android. allows you to play PC/console/Indie games through the cloud on OnLive servers. response time is fastest out there and basically no lag. feels just as if you natively playing the game. there are some great games up there like PC/Nvidia optimized Batman Arkham City, Homefront fps, Metro 2033, unreal tournament(PC version), etc.. the games look and play great on the prime. no loss in quality basically. the app is free from marketplace. free to make an account. you get to play all the games with a free 30 min. trial period. you can flat out buy the game but best seems to be the bundle package. for $9.99 a month you have unlimited access to 100's of top notch PC/console games. I was playing Darksiders, through OnLive, on my prime. no lag at all, graphics looked sick. definitely a cool experience and great deal considering the caliber and number of games they have up there.
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NICE! I never needed a reason for onlive...I'll have to check it out.
SO I rented Death Proof from the play store, I hooked up my Prime to my Samsung TV, made sure my input was set to just scan, since 16x9 caused overscan, hit play and all I got was sound and no movie, unplug cable movie plays fine on Prime. So I thought OK maybe it's a streaming problem, so I downloaded it instead of streaming it, same result. Came to work today and hooked my monitor up with a different cable, same result.
My Prime isnt unlocked, just rooted. I am able to play other files and play games just fine over hdmi, but no go for play rentals?
Whats up with that google/Asus?
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SO I rented Death Proof from the play store, I hooked up my Prime to my Samsung TV, made sure my input was set to just scan, since 16x9 caused overscan, hit play and all I got was sound and no movie, unplug cable movie plays fine on Prime. So I thought OK maybe it's a streaming problem, so I downloaded it instead of streaming it, same result. Came to work today and hooked my monitor up with a different cable, same result.
My Prime isnt unlocked, just rooted. I am able to play other files and play games just fine over hdmi, but no go for play rentals?
Whats up with that google/Asus?
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Please search the forum, the topic has already been discussed multiple times.
Due to copyrighted reason Google doesn't allow movie rented from the tablets to be transferred to a bigger screen.
Thanks for the reply.
You try to play by the rules (purchasing a rental) and they restrict that you can't watch it on the big screen, thats crap and makes people do the download thing.
I had the same question. I guess there will be no renting from Google, they really limited themselves, who wants to watch the movie on a 10 inch screen with a 46 inch in the room?
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I had the same question. I guess there will be no renting from Google, they really limited themselves, who wants to watch the movie on a 10 inch screen with a 46 inch in the room?
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I was reading in another thread about Google's movies policy and it should be able to go full screen. Somethings messed up in the way the rentals are being handled.
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I had the same question. I guess there will be no renting from Google, they really limited themselves, who wants to watch the movie on a 10 inch screen with a 46 inch in the room?
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I doubt it's Google policy but would lean toward drm laws and the mpaa.
https://support.google.com/googleplay/?hl=en#/answer/1268905
Watching on your HDTV
To watch movies rented on Google Play on your HDTV, you'll need:
an HDTV that supports High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)—check your tv manufacturer's website to see if your HDTV is HDCP compliant
a Micro-HDMI to HDMI cable or an MHL adapter and HDMI cable, depending on your device
Once you connect your device to your HDTV, the screen of your device should be mirrored on your HDTV (both display the same content), with the audio playing on your HDTV. If the video plays without audio on your HDTV, you may need to change the input in your HDTV's audio settings.
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Google should never have agreed to MPAA terms for movie business segment. Root on android is really no different than administrator rights within windows.
Google gave up a lot to get rights for movie rights that few will use more than once. $5 to rent a movie to rent a movie that can only be viewed on a 10 inch (or smaller) screen without ability to output via HDMI? Can't imagine many, even the non tech savvy, to make the mistake of renting from Google Market more than once.
Someday the MPAA will realize that their attempts at preventing piracy only serve to promote it. Until they get a clue, Market will not be a viable source for movie rentals.
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https://support.google.com/googleplay/?hl=en#/answer/1268905
Watching on your HDTV
To watch movies rented on Google Play on your HDTV, you'll need:
an HDTV that supports High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection (HDCP)—check your tv manufacturer's website to see if your HDTV is HDCP compliant
a Micro-HDMI to HDMI cable or an MHL adapter and HDMI cable, depending on your device
Once you connect your device to your HDTV, the screen of your device should be mirrored on your HDTV (both display the same content), with the audio playing on your HDTV. If the video plays without audio on your HDTV, you may need to change the input in your HDTV's audio settings.
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I meet those standards and I have the right cables and so forth. It looks pretty black and white to me that it should work.
I don't think root is causing the issue as people who haven't rooted can't get it to work, like someone else posted some flag is messed up somewhere.
EDIT: NM it seems rented videos are working fine on rooted Primes.
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I thought you could not rent movies from the market if your device is rooted?
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Mine is rooted and I've just rented and watched a movie directly on the Prime. However, I cannot see it on my TV.
I suppose it could be worse, they could just say F You, your rooted and no video at all. But this is the last time I rent anything from them until they get this straightened out. Has anyone tried playing it directly from the browser instead of through the play app?
Edit: Doesn't work, tried requesting desktop page, about:debug and setting browser to desktop, no dice.
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I suppose it could be worse, they could just say F You, your rooted and no video at all. But this is the last time I rent anything from them until they get this straightened out. Has anyone tried playing it directly from the browser instead of through the play app?
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I believe that it's working at all on rooted Primes is a bug in and of itself. Play movies will not play rental content on my rooted phone with a message saying as much.
Google movies do work on rooted devices, but they're not supposed to. If you look at the amazon/kindle system, they learned early on that root check is possible as a means of DRM control, but ultimately developed workarounds.
As far as the reason for the restrictions go, it's not a far cry to jump from hooking up HDMI to watch on your larger TV screen to hooking up to a projector and performing the movie in front of a crowded theater/auditorium.
Yes, it was possible to do the same thing with physical media in the past, but this is the direction digital DRM is going in. It's a very different story from the move of digital music to being DRM-free - there's no such thing as a standard mobile video player or file format to force publishers to release their grip the way there was for mp3.
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Google movies do work on rooted devices, but they're not supposed to. If you look at the amazon/kindle system, they learned early on that root check is possible as a means of DRM control, but ultimately developed workarounds.
As far as the reason for the restrictions go, it's not a far cry to jump from hooking up HDMI to watch on your larger TV screen to hooking up to a projector and performing the movie in front of a crowded theater/auditorium.
Yes, it was possible to do the same thing with physical media in the past, but this is the direction digital DRM is going in. It's a very different story from the move of digital music to being DRM-free - there's no such thing as a standard mobile video player or file format to force publishers to release their grip the way there was for mp3.
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Annnnnnnddddd this is the reason I will continue not to buy or rent movies.
When ps3 came out I bought about 10 blu-rays per month.
When Netflix came out I happily bought my subscription.
Well guess what.... haven't bought a blu-ray in probably about a year and a half and haven't had netflix for about 6 months.
Why? Because I feel like they treat us like criminals.
Even TV is ridiculous, few months ago I had thrown back a couple beers. I moved away from my hometown and was feeling football home sick. So I grab the remote and go to the NFL network so I could watch the packers. It says click here to order, so I click. Now it says call the 1800 number... so I sigh and call Verizon, thinking in 5 minutes ill be able to watch the game. After a long argument with the rep I hung up and illegally streamed it from an unnamed website.
Why? Well, to get the NFL network its $50 per year. No sweat I get to watch my team in high definition, good stuff.
Not really....
To get the NFL network I have to not only buy the NFL ticket, I also have to buy some premium package for another $10 per month. I told the rep that I didn't need other package and she said that was the only way to get the game.
So you know what? F?!# Verizon F?!# NFL and F?!# the movie and music industry.
I won't buy into this bulls?!# and I will continue to pirate away and only support my favorite artists.
If they spent half the money they spend on anti piracy on quality of product or ease of access then their profit margins would go way up.
Or.. lower prices and get higher volume, but I prefer higher quality.
Flame on.
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benefit14snake said:
Annnnnnnddddd this is the reason I will continue not to buy or rent movies.
When ps3 came out I bought about 10 blu-rays per month.
When Netflix came out I happily bought my subscription.
Well guess what.... haven't bought a blu-ray in probably about a year and a half and haven't had netflix for about 6 months.
Why? Because I feel like they treat us like criminals.
Even TV is ridiculous, few months ago I had thrown back a couple beers. I moved away from my hometown and was feeling football home sick. So I grab the remote and go to the NFL network so I could watch the packers. It says click here to order, so I click. Now it says call the 1800 number... so I sigh and call Verizon, thinking in 5 minutes ill be able to watch the game. After a long argument with the rep I hung up and illegally streamed it from an unnamed website.
Why? Well, to get the NFL network its $50 per year. No sweat I get to watch my team in high definition, good stuff.
Not really....
To get the NFL network I have to not only buy the NFL ticket, I also have to buy some premium package for another $10 per month. I told the rep that I didn't need other package and she said that was the only way to get the game.
So you know what? F?!# Verizon F?!# NFL and F?!# the movie and music industry.
I won't buy into this bulls?!# and I will continue to pirate away and only support my favorite artists.
If they spent half the money they spend on anti piracy on quality of product or ease of access then their profit margins would go way up.
Or.. lower prices and get higher volume, but I prefer higher quality.
Flame on.
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Dude, thats awesome and exactly how I feel. No flame coming from me.
benefit14snake said:
Annnnnnnddddd this is the reason I will continue not to buy or rent movies.
When ps3 came out I bought about 10 blu-rays per month.
When Netflix came out I happily bought my subscription.
Well guess what.... haven't bought a blu-ray in probably about a year and a half and haven't had netflix for about 6 months.
Why? Because I feel like they treat us like criminals.
Even TV is ridiculous, few months ago I had thrown back a couple beers. I moved away from my hometown and was feeling football home sick. So I grab the remote and go to the NFL network so I could watch the packers. It says click here to order, so I click. Now it says call the 1800 number... so I sigh and call Verizon, thinking in 5 minutes ill be able to watch the game. After a long argument with the rep I hung up and illegally streamed it from an unnamed website.
Why? Well, to get the NFL network its $50 per year. No sweat I get to watch my team in high definition, good stuff.
Not really....
To get the NFL network I have to not only buy the NFL ticket, I also have to buy some premium package for another $10 per month. I told the rep that I didn't need other package and she said that was the only way to get the game.
So you know what? F?!# Verizon F?!# NFL and F?!# the movie and music industry.
I won't buy into this bulls?!# and I will continue to pirate away and only support my favorite artists.
If they spent half the money they spend on anti piracy on quality of product or ease of access then their profit margins would go way up.
Or.. lower prices and get higher volume, but I prefer higher quality.
Flame on.
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Not saying it's right, wrong, or otherwise. I was just explaining the reasoning behind the unlikeliness of seeing this particular type of DRM disappear anytime soon. Video will (probably) always get ripped to a DRM-free version, but it won't usually start there as a native format.
Oh no worries. I'm nit arguing with anything anyone here said. I just read over it and instantly got frustrated. Between the experiences I've had and all this sopa crap its getting out of control. Everyone is so paranoid about piracy now a days no one remembers how to make content worth buying.
My wife and I loved the movie hangover, it was hilarious. We rented the hangover 2 the other day and watched about 25 minutes before turning it off. I mean I felt like we were watching the same movie.
Although I did find the new eminem and coldplay album to be pretty awesome. Bought both through google play.
Sorry didn't mean to derail this thread I just feel very strong about the lack of quality content compounded by the ever increasing security and stipulations.
Meanwhile steam is the only content provider that GETS IT.
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Is there anywhere to find rentals that will work on HDMI out?
We all know that HDMI works on our tablets but is there anywhere to find movie rentals that our Prime can stream out to an HDMI TV? The family is leaving on a vacation and it would be nice to watch some movies on the TV in the room.
The design of this thing is awesome. Pair it with those monster 14 pound EACH speakers and man, that's drool worthy.
However, this device is kinda confusing to me. Is it a dumbed down receiver? Is it a dumbed down Google TV device? I can play vids from YouTube and and Google Play and music and that's it?
Where are the shots of what ever interface this will have? Where is Netflix? Huluu Plus? Amazon Prime? This seems to be the most limited - as far as what can be done with it from the get-go - device I have seen El Goog push out in a long while. Sad.
As good as it looks, it seems rushed to me. Why pay $299 for something that is simply novelty and available in many different flavors already?
Till they add a bit to it, or someone hacks it and makes it much better. Sorry Goog, I pass.
While they were doing the presentation, I understood it as it was just a receiver that connects to some speakers or a tv, so once you connect to it (I forget if it was WIFI or NFC) you can just play music or videos on the speakers or tv; and anybody that connects to it is able to play what they want on it.
It looks great and all but for $300 its definitely not worth the price tag.
This is on the network so I hope that it has easy access to Windows shares and that it will be able to play 1080p MKVs with lossless audio.
I haven't played around with playback on devices.
Even though it is pricey if it has this full feature set then I may pick this up. Would be a nice improvement over plugging in a laptop to the TV.
Shieze said:
This is on the network so I hope that it has easy access to Windows shares and that it will be able to play 1080p MKVs with lossless audio.
I haven't played around with playback on devices.
Even though it is pricey if it has this full feature set then I may pick this up. Would be a nice improvement over plugging in a laptop to the TV.
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From what I was told yesterday, it won't. The guys here at IO said it would only stream from them (movies and music stored in their cloud or Play Store).
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I'm hoping there is at least some logic within the box that allows you to play more sophisticated content.
Mi|enko said:
From what I was told yesterday, it won't. The guys here at IO said it would only stream from them (movies and music stored in their cloud or Play Store).
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It's $300 because it's supposedly actually manufactured in America... so do with that what you will
I'm still very confused as to what it is/how it works. Doesn't seem worthwhile.
seems like the coolest looking piece of crap.
The engadget preview says much of the price is because of the built in amp, which, IMHO is totally unnecessary. I have a surround sound system.. why would I want stereo sound from that puny little thing?
Drop the amp and $100 off the pricetag and this thing will sell itself. Oh, and unlock the damn thing. Only plays stuff from the play store? Google is starting to sound like apple...
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Google is starting to sound like apple...
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Really? It has a USB port explicitly for the purpose of hacking it. I have no doubt the Nexus Q will be a cool device to own once there's enough dev support for it.
It seems like Google released the Nexus Q with the idea that the android community would figure out what to do with it.
Nexus q + dev support = sold. However I will wait for the support first instead of buying and hoping....
Its an interesting device, but I'm disappointed that they at least didn't add an "airplay" style connection for displaying your phone or tablet screen on the tv via wifi. That would at least make it more appealing for the price
I sat there during the keynote thinking what a killer feature this would have been for a google tv. Instead it's a more expensive and more limited device.
I came away from i/o feeling like the google tv is being de-prioritized and they want to push this device instead because it's locked down to google play content. There were zero mentions of google tv during either of the keynotes. There were sessions but after sitting through a few it seemed as if all the new and exciting things were happening in other product lines. I don't mean this as a dig at the google tv devs. I just think the company has made a cooporate decision to lock this down.
Maybe I'll feel a little different after unboxing it tonight and playing with it some but I just can't see myself getting on board this product line and I'm a google fanboy. It just feels like a limitations by design concept.
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Really? It has a USB port explicitly for the purpose of hacking it. I have no doubt the Nexus Q will be a cool device to own once there's enough dev support for it.
It seems like Google released the Nexus Q with the idea that the android community would figure out what to do with it.
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That's cool. But inconsistent. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to even flash anything and I would be more apt to group those individuals with ones who would use the banana plugs on the back. It doesn't take an audiophile to desire more than 2 channels of sound.
I think its a brilliant device and ill probably get one once the price goes down. I just think it may increase sales to offer one without the amp - is it really that big of a selling point?
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That's cool. But inconsistent. Not everyone is tech savvy enough to even flash anything and I would be more apt to group those individuals with ones who would use the banana plugs on the back. It doesn't take an audiophile to desire more than 2 channels of sound.
I think its a brilliant device and ill probably get one once the price goes down. I just think it may increase sales to offer one without the amp - is it really that big of a selling point?
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Agreed. This isn't like our Android phones running custom ROMs. You buy an Android phone, ANY Android phone, and you can:
1. Make phone calls
2. Send text messages
3. Use email
4. Browse the web
5. Download, install, and use the full Play Store catalog of apps
All without any hacking at all. When you install a custom rom, you're basically getting a few added features, customization, optimization, maybe the ability to overclock or run a select few apps that need root. You know, little things that aren't necessary but are nice to have.
The Nexus Q is different because it's gimped right out of the box. You basically can't do anything with it, other than play music and videos from the Play Store only (and who even has a huge collection of that stuff?). Even the very first Apple TV was capable of streaming content through a local network, even if it was limited to stuff you added to your iTunes library.
I appreciate Google reaching out to the dev community, but they can't rely on them to do all their work for them. What the Nexus Q should have been was a tiny Android desktop computer, controllable directly with an Android phone using a specific app (something like Gmote) and able to run any and all Android apps. I'm excited when I see thumb-sized Android computers available for under $100. The NQ could have been a cooler, more premium version of that, but as it is, it's both overpriced AND has no features.
YouTube app
So not living in US forces me to use Music and the YouTube app. Now it's time to do some raging.
Playing youtube vids on my tv is awesome through the app and all that. But I want to be able to play several videos. I have several playlists but the only option on a playlist in the youtube app is to delete it. Opening the playlists gives you the possibility to play one (and only one) video in a row. It really sucks. I don't want to open the app every time a video has ended :/
Guys what are you complaining about? Your where given cool toy for free because you are developers. You are suppose to find better applications for it . Just do it. Few years ago you had T-Mobile android phone without anything useful on it , nobody completed
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All you guys in here complaining are just not dev or inspiring to be one cause from what I seen you're able to load a launcher to it from adb and stream netflix in 1080 so you guys dont really understand android or google yet but you will.
Sadly, I will buy a multitude of these for a project if someone can get the damn thing rooted and unlocked...
Amazon Prime Video app is in full HD.
Netflix is also available in full HD.... Simply log into Netflix through the Chrome browser and watch in full screen HD, rather than using the Netflix app!
Sorted.
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It's the Netflix app that is the problem.
Sorry further testing and Netflix is running at 540 not 1080p.
Perfectly watchable though and better than 480 being reported.
Well... perfectly watchable in your opinion. Totally unexcusable in mine. They are selling this as a MEDIA tablet. And a customer should watch stuff at DVD resolution? In 2018?
ROTFL
@gorman42 I can understand your position, but all DRM is crap and there are so many different solutions for that. Following your argumentation every producer of a device needs to support all of the different solutions ... Ok, widevine probably is a bit different because it's provided by Google and you do not need to pay a license fee but nevertheless the producer needs to implement and to test ... which might be time consuming and costy. Only looking from a producers point of view
Ok, first of all. Sorry to the OP. Re-reading myself I see that I came off sounding aggressive. It's not your fault and I offer my excuses to you. Sincerely.
To @AndDiSa: that's the main point. It's Widevine. It's used by all major streaming services (Netflix and Prime Video use it, don't know about others). It's free. In my opinion if you want to come out with a media tablet, defining it as such, with an HD+ screen... well, you do have to support it. If you don't, you don't get my money. For me it's a matter of principle.
And note that I'm very against DRM, personally. But for kids and family, generally speaking, streaming services offer a level of convenience that can't be beaten.
Saw a reply from Huawei on their UK Mobile twitter feed - promising an update sometime in the future for Netflix HD - but no date yet...