I just want to share what and why I did it. First off I did not have problems with my wifi on 4.2.2 with the Nexus10. the second that I went to Slim Kat and Vanir 4.4.2 I had weak wifi signal at work and at home when my nexus 7 slim kat and my galaxy note 2 Vanir did not. I noticed that RAM was also weird on the nexus 10. Even though it showed 2gb of ram on the specs it was only showing 1099 on 4.4.2 when I show that I have 1647 ram available with 4.2.2.
Concerning the OS using Ram. Google said that they would make Kit Kat more RAM friendly but I was using 535mb of RAM for 4.4.2 and right now I am showing only 357.3 mb for 4.2.2. I am using the same apps launchers and screen savers.
I just flashed back to 4.2.2 this morning so I will update later, I do see an improvement in the wifi though.
I just want to say that I love Slimkat and that is why I am on the 4.2.2 I just think Google somehow hosed up the wifi on the Nexus 10.
I have one question with all this. Is the wifi and Ram usage Kernel related?
Joe
jfed said:
I just want to share what and why I did it. First off I did not have problems with my wifi on 4.2.2 with the Nexus10. the second that I went to Slim Kat and Vanir 4.4.2 I had weak wifi signal at work and at home when my nexus 7 slim kat and my galaxy note 2 Vanir did not. I noticed that RAM was also weird on the nexus 10. Even though it showed 2gb of ram on the specs it was only showing 1099 on 4.4.2 when I show that I have 1647 ram available with 4.2.2.
Concerning the OS using Ram. Google said that they would make Kit Kat more RAM friendly but I was using 535mb of RAM for 4.4.2 and right now I am showing only 357.3 mb for 4.2.2. I am using the same apps launchers and screen savers.
I just flashed back to 4.2.2 this morning so I will update later, I do see an improvement in the wifi though.
I just want to say that I love Slim Kat and that is why I am on the 4.2.2 I just think Google somehow hosed up the wifi on the Nexus 10.
I have one question with all this. Is the wifi and Ram usage Kernel related?
Joe
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B][/B] Ok so I am at work and have went back and forth between 4.4.2 and 4.2.2. the 4.4.2 connects and disconnects back and forth. When it does connect to router but it says poor connection and it is only 24mbps. "It drops way more than connected" I am 45 ft from router in an open environment.
The 4.2.2 Slim Kat has a fair connection with 78 Mbps and has not dropped once. So I don't know what the difference is with Kit Kat compared to Jelly Bean but for my nexus 10 my wifi is great now with Jelly Bean. I wish I could figure out why and fix but I do not know programming.
Have you tried to untick the "WiFi optimization" box in advanced WiFi settings? To me this seemed to improve the connectivity.
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Yes I did do that and it just helped a little. I have been back on slimbean 4.2.2 for over a day now and my WiFi is great. Also I do not have any of the bugs that kit kat has . I have not had any fc or dropped WiFi. The tablet is perfect.
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Hi,
If the 4.2.2 suits well your needs then there's no need to complain at all . I have no idea about the WiFi problem, sorry... I always use my WiFi close to the router, so I don't have problems. But I can explain you the RAM thing in KitKat.
Like you already know the Nexus 10 powers up a huge resolution display, and the graphics processor is not really able to keep up with it all alone, so Google allocated some of Nexus 10 RAM to the GPU. The update brings some new stuff, therefore requires more power and as such it will probably need more GPU power as well, and that's why you see less RAM. I will share here how I tested each update based on graphical performance:
I picked up an anime episode that I had in MKV, FullHD, FLAC audio, blah blah blah... In other words, very heavy stuff. Downloaded MX Player on both my S4 and my Nexus 10. Let's start the tests now:
First Test:
Both running 4.2.2 - The video was very laggy in both devices, in S4 it was completely unwatchable. On Nexus 10 you could watch it, but it was very unpleasant.
Second Test:
Both running 4.3 - The video got a little better on S4, you could watch it, but some parts were uncomfortable and really laggy. Nexus 10 got an amazing improvement (that's when Google started to allocate RAM to the GPU), you could watch it almost flawlessly, the only problem was skipping some parts and one particular scene.
Third Test:
My S4 broke, and now I'm with a Xperia Z1. Xperia Z1 and Nexus 10 running KitKat - Xperia Z1 performance was perfect, no lag at all, all scenes watchable and no problems rewind and fast forwarding the video, Snapdragon 800 has an amazing GPU indeed. Nexus 10, being one year older than Z1 with a older processor and way more pixels had a similar performance, was way better than on 4.3, the problem was with rewinding and fast forwarding, other than that was perfectly fine.
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So, if you don't use your tablet for heavy videos and such, you can stay in older versions with no problems . I just think it is good to share this small experiment I did to clarify why your RAM "disappeared" suddenly on KitKat .
~Lord
Thanks I can understand now why they use the ram. I want to be back on slimkat or any kat but not while the WiFi is so bad. I watch regular videos nothing heavy. I take my tablet everywhere and get free WiFi and I had problems with connecting to those places if they had a weak signal. Since going back to slimkat 4.2.2 I have had no issues.
I hope Google fixes this issue. I would like to be back with kitkat
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I've been running latest version of purity rom without wifi issues and its running stock kikat kernel
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Thanks I can understand now why they use the ram. I want to be back on slimkat or any kat but not while the WiFi is so bad. I watch regular videos nothing heavy. I take my tablet everywhere and get free WiFi and I had problems with connecting to those places if they had a weak signal. Since going back to slimkat 4.2.2 I have had no issues.
I hope Google fixes this issue. I would like to be back with kitkat
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Hey, so i've been checking solutions for days. I'm gonna assume you're still using 4.2.2 and still haven't found a solution for the WiFi issues of 4.4.2. I unfortunately updated my Nexus 10 without knowing the consequence. My symptoms seem worse than yours. Not only will my internet drop, but i can't ever get into the play store and youtube will only half-load its own pages and videos.
Anyways...what i need to know is your method for reverting back to 4.2.2. I've downloaded the IMG (.TGZ) file straight from google as i'm sure you have but i can't find how to flash the file onto the tablet without rooting the thing (which in turn voids your auto-updates with google (so i heard)). i found a video of a guy using a program called "wugfresh nexus toolkit" but a lot of people trust Odin to do this. I guess i just need the step-by-step process for this specific device using either of the programs.
Last question: why didn't you downgrade to 4.3 instead of going to 4.2.2. Was there a problem with that OS as well?
Thanks for your help.
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Hey, so i've been checking solutions for days. I'm gonna assume you're still using 4.2.2 and still haven't found a solution for the WiFi issues of 4.4.2. I unfortunately updated my Nexus 10 without knowing the consequence. My symptoms seem worse than yours. Not only will my internet drop, but i can't ever get into the play store and youtube will only half-load its own pages and videos.
Anyways...what i need to know is your method for reverting back to 4.2.2. I've downloaded the IMG (.TGZ) file straight from google as i'm sure you have but i can't find how to flash the file onto the tablet without rooting the thing (which in turn voids your auto-updates with google (so i heard)). i found a video of a guy using a program called "wugfresh nexus toolkit" but a lot of people trust Odin to do this. I guess i just need the step-by-step process for this specific device using either of the programs.
Last question: why didn't you downgrade to 4.3 instead of going to 4.2.2. Was there a problem with that OS as well?
Thanks for your help.
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Hi,
If I'm not wrong you can find how to restore stock on the Manta Help Thread! Please check there for further reference .
As for last question I don't know, you should try for yourself . As you said the symptoms in your case were worse, so what's better than checking for yourself other versions?
~Lord
"All I ever needed was a little piece of hope" - World of Fantasy (Helloween)
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Hi,
If I'm not wrong you can find how to restore stock on the Manta Help Thread! Please check there for further reference .
As for last question I don't know, you should try for yourself . As you said the symptoms in your case were worse, so what's better than checking for yourself other versions?
~Lord
"All I ever needed was a little piece of hope" - World of Fantasy (Helloween)
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Would it be possible for you to send me a link to that thread please. I'm typing in manta in xda and coming up with various results but i'm looking for specifically the one you're referring to. I'm trying to get this done by the end of the night lol.
thanks
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Would it be possible for you to send me a link to that thread please. I'm typing in manta in xda and coming up with various results but i'm looking for specifically the one you're referring to. I'm trying to get this done by the end of the night lol.
thanks
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Hi,
Here it is mate
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2670400
Nexus 10 (Manta) Help Thread - Ask Your Questions Here!
If you can't get it, post something in the thread and I may help further .
~Lord
"Time is too short to cry, long enough to try." - March of Time (Helloween)
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sorry to just get back to this thread. I am still using 4.2.2 I even went further and went totally stock so I can use the history channel app and brighthouse networks app. I use Wugs nexus kit and it walks you through all of it. Ever since I went back to 4.2.2 I have had no problems connecting to old wifi systems that my 10 could not connect to on 4.4.2. I am patiently waiting on the google fix for update 4.4.3
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
Joe F.
jfed said:
sorry to just get back to this thread. I am still using 4.2.2 I even went further and went totally stock so I can use the history channel app and brighthouse networks app. I use Wugs nexus kit and it walks you through all of it. Ever since I went back to 4.2.2 I have had no problems connecting to old wifi systems that my 10 could not connect to on 4.4.2. I am patiently waiting on the google fix for update 4.4.3
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
Joe F.
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Excellent, thank you for your answer. That's what i was looking for. Flashed my new stock OS and it works like a charm! thank you very much!
I'm convinced the wifi issue will never be fixed.. Unless you're humping the router it's crap... Get down to 1-2bars of strength and its hit or miss if you'll get data throughput.. I've tried everything from changing wifi channels, switching only to WPA2 AES, disabling wifi optimization. It's just terrible still. This tablet has been a dud.. Between the ever changing RAM allocation to take more and more away from the user, the never fixed random reboots, and terrible Wifi... I'm probably never touching a Nexus tablet again.
I am using Nexus root tool kit. I download that program select the 4.4.2 as current program then selected the operating system that I wanted to go back to stock with. The link is :
http://www.wugfresh.com/nrt/
I went back to 4.3 and it's much better than kit kat, IMO.
I updated to 4.4.2. but had Wi-Fi issues where it would show that I was connected to Wi-Fi but could not actually access the internet and the only way to fix it was to toggle airplane mode on and off. It could happen as much as once every 15 minutes. Went back to 4.3 and no problems. When 4.4.3 came out I hoped the bug would be fixed but it wasn't so I downgraded again. Again no problems. When 4.4.4 came out I tried it out but in addition to the Wi-Fi issues I had frequent hard freezes where the tablet was completely unresponsive and had to hold down the power button to turn it off. These updates keep getting worse and worse. Back on 4.3 and think I'll stay here for a while. Only issue I've had is slight screen flicker, but I just turn off auto brightness and that fixes the problem.
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I have also went back to 4.2.2 for now. Device is just as responsive as 4.4 for me and battery life is much better.
I'm not going to lie...I accidentally flashed 4.2.2 and thought "wow this is a big improvement" thinking it was 4.4.2. The device is just so much more fluid. What are the barriers to the N10 responding like my N5?
Yeah I remember when I first got my N10 running 4.2, it was far faster, then 4.3 came and turned everything into ****, KK has been aan experience nearly as good as 4.2, save for the WiFi drops as they happen from time to time, I blamed it on my kernel as my sister's stock N10 doesn't exhibit these problems.
Anyways, I'm now running KK + ART + F2FS and lowered my resolution to 1200p as games have become more taxing and it's faster than ever before, battery could be improved but I blame that entirely on the screen.
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I heard rumors that google is still not working on Android 5.0 'key Lime Pie', and they will also not present it on Google I/O this month.
Apparently they will release a newer version of a Jelly bean ROM, Android 4.3, apperently with codename 'Android 4.3 JWR23B'.
Rumors told me that Google already tested Android 4.3 on a galaxy nexus 7 and nexus 4.
What my question is:
The Samsung galaxy tab10.1 had a timid start with android 4.2, it was laggy and it didn't respond at times, but it turned out to be one of the fastest ROM ever on my galaxy tab10.1 after hard and long work ( i'm flashing pershoot's ROM's (CyanogenMod) now since 11 months), thanks to pershoot.
Will there also be any chance to run a newer android version on this tablet after Android 4.2?
since there were doubts that android 4.2 would ever work on this tablet and turned out to be this smooth, it's giving me alot hope, what do you think?
-what do you think, android 4.3 or 5.0?
-what could be new in android 4.3/5.0?
Let me know!
I heard rumours about the last android version for dual core processor device is 4.2.2 to maintain the quality of later version (4.3++). Can't recall where I read it but if this true then the GT10.1 will stop at Jelly Bean 4.2.2. but, anything is possible..
On my 2nd thougt,if the above is true, this might be the opportunity to the level 17 API's developers and below to strengthen their apps stability, performance and thus give maximum performance to the devices. This might be a good news too.
I think if google upgrades it to android 4.3, most likely there will be bug fixes, like the strange back button It's supposed to bring us to the previous screen until we get to the home screen, but at times, it'll take you to places in apps you've never been, skips screens you've been too, it basically works only half of the time. and if i take a look on my parents's ipad, and if i rotate the screen, the transition is extremely smooth.
If i rotate my galaxy tab or my asus transformer it's kind of... Choppy... If i search the internet, the browser can't follow the speed of your finger on any device i've been on yet, maybe a little bit more browser responsiveness would be great, i'm not saying it isn't smooth yet, but it could be better!
And maybe they will work on more battery life? And if they're already working on it, maybe they should work on a new way to stay connected with people, what i mean is, don't use a stupid samsung app or asus vibe or whatever manufacturers use to connect to a social website, but make it a built-in app?? Like ubuntu does or WP8.
Let your fantasy work..
I don't know why this has been moved to q&a but okay
4.3 coming ,no 5.0 for a while ,
Was reading galaxy s3 going to be oldest device to receive 4.3 , source sammobile xda
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4.3 coming ,no 5.0 for a while ,
Was reading galaxy s3 going to be oldest device to receive 4.3 , source sammobile xda
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Hoppa i think google will present it today on google I/O ? let's wait
Could seriously breathe new life into the tp seeing as how it's supposed to be built to run on lesser hardware.
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Well, it did just come out. CM hasn't even started on it. Can't say I expect a build for at least a month, could be wrong though.
It doesn't run better on lesser hardware per se, just uses less RAM. I don't think we've really been having issues with memory, and we're still stuck with our slow Snapdragon S3.
With the amount of devs the TouchPad has, we are relying on just a handful of people to get 4.4 on it. I feel 4.3 barely made it to the TouchPad. I would love Kitkat on my beloved tablet but I hate to say that I have my doubts.
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With the amount of devs the TouchPad has, we are relying on just a handful of people to get 4.4 on it. I feel 4.3 barely made it to the TouchPad. I would love Kitkat on my beloved tablet but I hate to say that I have my doubts.
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I don't even think there's a doubt someone will do a build... But it's nice to know that we won't be limited by memory. Anyway, chalk this thread up to boredom. My moto x has almost nil going on so I'm hanging out in here
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I don't even think there's a doubt someone will do a build... But it's nice to know that we won't be limited by memory. Anyway, chalk this thread up to boredom. My moto x has almost nil going on so I'm hanging out in here
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If someone does though, I just hope its as usable as it is currently. I have a Galaxy Nexus and I am already seeing bugs with ports to that device. Which isnt normal with a Nexus device. So the TouchPad may not be any better. Dont get me wrong, I really hope we see something though.
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If someone does though, I just hope its as usable as it is currently. I have a Galaxy Nexus and I am already seeing bugs with ports to that device. Which isnt normal with a Nexus device. So the TouchPad may not be any better. Dont get me wrong, I really hope we see something though.
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The galaxy nexus is a problematic device. First, google already said no-kitkat for the GN. Second, it's cpu and TI demise.
Your galaxy nexus is now on the list of abandoned nexus devices.
Now, regarding out tablet, first it's a qualcomm so we're not all alone on this one, but it's a very unsuported and old-unknown-binaries rom.
MAYBE someone figures out how to get the camera and bluetooth working. I keep my hopes high.
Not ready
I'm still having problems getting 4.3 settled on my TP. Too many issues (including repartitioning) still need to be solved first.
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It doesn't run better on lesser hardware per se, just uses less RAM. I don't think we've really been having issues with memory, and we're still stuck with our slow Snapdragon S3.
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I am positive that someone will be get Android 4.4 to work especially with the fact that it uses less RAM for running the applications. Usually XDA and Rootzwiki member drmarble helps at getting the initial work for the next version of Android to work. He helped get Android 4.3 (CM 10.1 and 10.2) to work on the Touchpad. And of course JCSullins will help with developing for Android 4.4.
I am sure ROM builders like Milaq and Shumash will provide CM 11 ROMs that are Android 4.4 based although I wouldn't expect to see a CM 11 ROM until January/February at the earliest and until the official CM 11 development has begun.
Android 4.4 launcher on my HP Touchpad.
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Android 4.4 launcher on my HP Touchpad.
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I tried that too. I dont know why the search bar is of to the left. Maybe its a DPI thing. But we havent seen a Nexus 10 with Kitkat yet. I'm looking forward to seeing what its like on that device.
Running Android 4.4 on my Nexus 7(2012) and I gotta say I love it, except the keyboard pops out every time you navigate to the home screen.
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i just dont see this version becoming popular.
It seems to be more of the integration of other devices and their data harvesting than any user advantages.
Despite the name, and an actual marketing contract with nestle this time, i personally think they chose the right theme colour.
Because its going to be s**t
I see 4.4 more of a stepping stone into a much bigger change to the OS.
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There are a lot of good things under the hood in KitKat. It will be interesting to see if anyone manages to get it running, especially with ART. Too bad my TouchPad is moving on to another owner. Finally decided to pull the trigger on a 2013 Nexus 7 LTE.
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KitKat is coming for the hp touchpad. Even have wifi working for me on the evervolv test build made by flintman
KitKat Pre Alpha Build from Flitnman
Time to start talking about Kitkat and the new ACMEInstaller4/5
Android 4.4 Kitkat Test Build Guide and Links:
[ROM] Evervolv | 4.0.0p1 [AOSP 4.4] [TEST] W/UMS support
Download 4.4 Kitkat Pre Alpha Gapps here:
Notes:Low to Medium battery drain(-4mA to -30mA) h/w video, Test Build Make a Backup!, Automated Updater and Installer, Audio plays with the screen off, Camera, No Bluetooth.
Note: Windows users may need to do the following in order to attach the Touchpad with the USB cable.
1. Go into Device manager. You will see "MTP USB Device" under portable devices.
2. Right Click it and select update driver software
3. Select Browse my computer for driver software.
4. Select Let me pick from a list of device drivers on my computer
5. Select USB Mass Storage Device then click next.
and/or
6.To transfer files to PC, turn on USB mass Storage from the USB connection notification on the Android device.
Note(Important): Backup and transfer all your SDcard files to PC. This is a testing build and could wipe files from your SDcard data.
[Note(Important): I would recommend increasing the size of your System Partition for this build. After my install I had 398/400MB free, so Flash the 512MB zip below or use Tailor to adjust the size.
Note(Important): This is an Android Open Source Project (AOSP) rom not a CyanogenMod (CM) rom. Dirty flashing an AOSP rom over a CM rom can causes errors and rebooting issues. Always do a clean install when moving from CM to AOSP and vise versa.
Flash through recovery to change the partition size to 512MB(Gradular&codycoyote)
Download 4.4 Kitkat Pre Alpha Gapps here:
Checkout iMark90's thread here:
I'm running kitkat and yeah its nice
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have to be patient:fingers-crossed:
I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No, you're, definitely, not insane and you're not alone on this! Exactly, my feelings. I've never thought that one day I'll start liking one manufacturer's skin/UI better than stock Android. But, it happened. And as a result, I've purchased the Xperia Z Ultra. Couldn't be happier more. It's the best phone I've ever owned.
I have to say/admit that I've faced more stability issues on CM more than Sony's firmwares. And for speed : Yes, it's definitely faster! IMHO, Sony's software engineers are done an excellent job for optimizing the software in the best possible way. There is zero lag, zero glitches etc. Just, very buttery smooth experience.
After the Mr. Kazuo Hirai's becoming the presiden and the CEO of Sony, many things have been changed fundamentally and noticeably. They got their innovation back as it was in 90s and 80s and one more time, started to make some unique products (QX10/QX100, first mirrorless Full-Frame camera except Leica : A7/A7r etc.) like walkman back in the day.
Hopefully, they'll keep this momentum and innovation as long as they can and we will benefit/enjoy of these great products.
Cheers,
Tarkan
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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No you're right, sony have done it right!
They've allowed you to keep the fluidity of stock android and have given you customization that dont slow the phone down
I couldnt be happier with my Z Ultra
It used to be that the smartphone SoC was very limited in terms of capability so a clean ROM is the better choice. But with rapid development and less bloat on Sony's UI (+cool design) and slower Android upgrade it is clearly better now. So yeah, not that much reason should i jump to CM ROM again (unlike previous RAZR MAXX of mine) for now Maybe if the Android 5.0 come out in the future i guess but for now no..
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I never thought there would come a day when I would say this about a manufacturer skin, but I'm actually enjoying the .290 Sony 4.3 firmware better than CM 10.2 (And I've been a militant CM supporter/user since version 6.1 -- 4 years ago in the Froyo days). Is it just me or do the Sony firmware builds feel noticeably faster? Also the battery life seems to be improved vs CM and the keyboard is sized more appropriately, etc. etc. The small apps are a nifty feature.
Now I never had stability problems with CM 10.2 so it's not about that; CM 10.2 is rock solid, maybe even slightly more stable than the Stock sony firmware but the Sony firmware seems so so much faster! What say you XDA friends? Do you agree? Am I insane?
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I Concur! I've had this device for about three months, & I really enjoy it also! I purchased it with the Sony UI in mind and sure enough it did not disappoint. I wasn't upset to see the Google edition released so soon after I bought this one. This is really the longest I've ever went without root also, as most prior phones did not make the 30 day mark.
I honestly would be happy with root access on the stock Sony Rom, however with all the confusion of root methods / model numbers / TA partitions / possibility of losing LTE, I'm just really trying to be patient. I kept in mind that buying such a large (under the radar phone) my slow my ability to tinker with it, but it's beginning to a bit of a hassle without root.
I recently accepted the 4.3 update, & the speed and mellow performance was noticed immediately. I was trying to stay on 4.2 as I had read different threads saying it was able to be rooted as oppose to 4.3 .290 but as of recently that seems to have changed now... This whole phone's process seems extremely confusing, and I'm tired of reading different contradicting threads .....and it's never a good idea to start playing with your phone when your frustrated & uninformed so I guess I'll just hang out a bit longer until things seem clearer....
I am with you guys.
Although on Note 2 I did not go with any AOSP except from the usual testing, but always came back to stock because of Spen features.
With the Ultra, this stock rom is so light, smooth and plus I keep the phone features plus it has been designed better to use the larger screen...I am VERY impressed with the Sony Rom so I dont see myself flashing anything but Sony based Roms.
I enjoy my phone now more than just using it to flash new stuff trying to get it to be better
Ah after I try a lot of custom ROM
monxDIFIED is my daily ROM
It is Sony base because I prefer stock app
FM Radio
Stock Camera
If I can install two stock app in CM base ROM like Carbon ROM
I may think using CM base ROM as my daily drive
That's common and you are not alone. I too am using the Stock 4.3 without any intention of flashing other ROMs (I do really love flashing as I had nearly flashed every Android phone I have ever owned)
I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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I'm back on stock after a day on GPe. I love AOSP and the GPe ROM is amazing, but I tend to always end up back on stock again. Not sure what it is, but it's solid as a rock, and I know exactly how it works and what it does. No surprises. I feel safe using it, so I guess that's why? Xposed has also changed the way I use ROMs. No longer do I have to flash ROMs if I want a weird feature, I just install a module. I feel like I don't have to flash anything these days, except for when I want a different environment/UI.
In not that tired of Sony's UI quite yet (but I'm slowly getting there), but I'll probably migrate to the GPe full time down the road. BUT, official 4.4 is on its way, so it'll be really exciting to see how it'll be.
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Im back running stock UI as well (own rom with Dogg tweaks), and am more or less happy with it.
Cant wait for 4.4 stock (not here today yet)
I had a Nexus 7 and I ran AOKP, I had an Nexus 4 and I ran AOKP, I had a Samsung Galaxy Note 3 and I ran CyanogenMod. Today I switched to Sony Xperia Z Ultra and I don't want to switch to AOSP. It never happened before, but I feel like Stock ROM is good
my galaxy tab is always on another rom, after that i had asus padfone, which had no development at all. and z ultra makes me not want to change to another rom at all. loving the stock, dunno why. I'm still on 4.2 and for me it's pretty smooth and fluid already i dont even need to upgrade.
Recently get an OTA for 4.3, but there's no way to root it in a simple way. tempting to root using jackie's way or flashing monx but im still too lazy to do it, still enjoyin my current 4.2 haha
I think sony did a good job here
I'm with you too dude. For me it's close enough to stock not to piss me off, their skin is simple and black base (better for battery), and I like some of the bloatware too.
I have deleted a lot, but that's another thing I like, I was able to delete or freeze most of what I didn't want without needing root. On touchwizz practically nothing could be deleted without root.
For me, Sony have worked it really well, bugs aside, and 290 is perfect IMHO except bluetooth.
I love cm, don't get me wrong, I just don't need it as much with Sony as I did with Samsung.
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Same here, actually i'm still on 4.2.2. Still amazed with stock rom, looks good and stays smooth and fast. I can endless opening apps, not any hick up. OOM works unnoticed, and don't need to restart device. On my old LG 3d i changed roms and kernels continously. My son his tab2 flashed a hour after purchase. My Acer A700 running CM10.1 unfortunately my daughter jumped on screen i need to order new screen/digitizer.
But i'm surpised with myself that i'm still on stock and don't want to flash. Only reason for me to flash would be working miracast with my LG 55LM750S.
I'm back on the GPe ROM I was bored yesterday, so the only thing to do when i'm bored is to install or flash something. I'm still amazed how everything is running so smooth and i have still to find a bug. I haven't found a single one. I find it funny that we went from AOSP ROMs that had their fair share of problems, to a AOSP ROM that is perfect like THAT.
I guess i'll keep using GPe for now, but i find some small things to be a little annoying. The volume is rather strange. It can be really quiet on one level, and be really loud on the next one, which makes it very annoying since i have to try to find the sweet spot. The stock ROM is much better at this. The quick toggles are also quite bad. Why do i have to press and HOLD to activate/deactivate a feature? Why can't i just tap a toggle like on CM? One tap on AOSP will open the settings for that feature, and someone at Google should be shot in the face. Well, that's about it really
I agree, been on and off Cm9-10 for years with some stints on Samsung's JB, but these ROMs rock. Only complaint is WIFI is a bit flakey. I don't even have a reason to root.
I have both a C6833 and Tablet Z.
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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With my ex Galaxy S3 I went from stock to CM in like 4/6 months, and from there I just wanted to change phone like every day.
I guess I just want this to be my phone for a long time, therefore I'll wait to transform it to see if the stock rom satisfies me long enough to get to the official 4.4.2 update.
Which, I bet will be the last "quick" update.
After that I'm sure we will see 4.5, but at a super slow pace.
Anyway, I need time to install and backup everything to begin trying the GPe, and with a 6yo daughter and a 40days son I really don't have much left... XD
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Congrats! I guess that's why we haven't really seen you around here that much lately, but you have a brand new boy in your house now so that's expected
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Thanks! I try to keep up with everything but now even Tapatalk is against me (meaning the new interface is fugly as hell).
Anyway, I'm curious, does the GPe support multiple users like on the Nexus 7? It is a fantastic feature as it keeps my daughter within the fence of her few apps...
That may be a feature I'd be interested in...
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Hmm, i have no idea. I think it "pops up" when you activate tablet mode. I know that CM supports it though, but since GPe build is strictly made for the ZU, Sony may have removed the feature (i can't prove it though).
Just a word on my own experience regarding the upgrading of my Nexus 10.
Actually I have two because one was stolen and then returned to me - but after I replaced it.
Both of my tablets with 4.4 installed have been great. They did everything I wanted without any problem. Why did I bother to upgrade to Lolipop? Well because I love gadgets and the latest technology.
As soon as I went to 5.0, there was a huge deterioration in the quality of the wireless connection. I had my other non-upgraded Nexus to compare with and it was clear that there was a big speed difference, connection difficulties, and sometime wireless dropouts.
I was very pleased when 5.01 was released because I had read that this owuld fix the wireless problems.
It didn't. Exactly the same problems. No improvement at all - and I had my 4.4 tablet to compare with.
Last weekend, I finally found the time to revert to 4.4 using the WugFresh Nexus toolkit.
Absolutely brilliantly easy to do. Took about 20 minutes and I was restored to 4.4.
There has been an immediate improvement in the performance of the tablet so far as wireless connectivity is concerned. It's like night and day.
Frankly, I'm puzzled as to what benefits there are from a Lolipop upgrade. It's certainly not the next big thing, by any stroke of the imagination.
I understand that 5.02 will be released in sometime this month. I suppose that I will try it out but generally I would advise people to stay with 4.4. It is a well developed mature OS. Is there a need to change?
The upgrade quality is quite hit and miss by what I'm reading. Both my Oneplus one and Nexus 10 run a custom build of 5.0.1 and I haven't encountered any problems that are being reported everywhere. I wish with tech troubleshooting there was a "one size fits all" solution but that's utopian thinking. I've upgraded and am finding the tweaks in the functionality quite useful, but the main reason for the upgrade has been the looks. You could try a custom ROM based on 5.0.2 seeing that you're familiar with the rooting toolkit anyways
I think battery life on my nexus 10 has taken a slight hit but it's nothing that I would revert back to 4.4 for. Oneplus one just runs like a nuclear reactor with any ROM
I sideloaded 5.0 via Wugfresh shortly after it came out and then reverted to 4.4 two days later.I had no special problems aside from the unavailability of Xposed framework, which is a deal-breaker for me. I have 4.4 set up the way I like it (including many "Lollipop" UI elements) and didn't find anything in 5.x that would justify giving that up.
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The upgrade quality is quite hit and miss by what I'm reading. Both my Oneplus one and Nexus 10 run a custom build of 5.0.1 and I haven't encountered any problems that are being reported everywhere. I wish with tech troubleshooting there was a "one size fits all" solution but that's utopian thinking. I've upgraded and am finding the tweaks in the functionality quite useful, but the main reason for the upgrade has been the looks. You could try a custom ROM based on 5.0.2 seeing that you're familiar with the rooting toolkit anyways
I think battery life on my nexus 10 has taken a slight hit but it's nothing that I would revert back to 4.4 for. Oneplus one just runs like a nuclear reactor with any ROM
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Thanks for this. I just want a standard rom - rooted. Improved looks would be nice but if it means sacrificing connectivity then I'll stick with 4.4.
I have to say that while I had 5.01 installed, I did get the impression that it was really just about looks.
I found the double entry screen - swipe to reveal pin screen - and then pin code to access - very lumpy and unnecessary.
I suppose that I will try 5.02 when it arrives but I'll be quick to revert if there is any deterioration in existing 4.4 functionality.
I expect that 5.XX is really just intended to work correctly the new 64bit gen of devices
It sure is a mystery why there are such a variety of experiences switching to lollipop. Mine has been all positive, and the improvement in smoothness alone was worth it. In KK there was such a jitter or stutter that was most noticeable when scrolling through screens or app drawer. It's either gone or barely there at times. Which makes sense, there were supposed performance improvements in 5.0.
If you're unsure about upgrading don't assume your experience will be like anyone else's. It's worth it if your N10 likes the taste of lollipops better than kit kats. You can always make a nandroid backup before trying.
I too reverted to 4.4: WiFi issues on lollipop are a deal breaker, and being able to use xposed (pie controls plus a few minor tweaks) on 4.4 is a nice plus.
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I had these same issues tried everything to sort the slow WiFi and the constant drop outs ,just by chance I changed the channel on the router and bingo! It cured all the issues I was having so something worth trying before giving up on lollipop.
I was hoping that 5.02 would fix the WiFi problems - it didn't. My tablet is downgrading to 4.4.4
Saw too many negative comments, and didn't want to lose xposed modules. Never upgraded!
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Lollipop is the Vista/Windows ME of Android!
Dead Cookies leave no trails...
Same issues for me. A few times a day I get dropouts, then authentication problem on my WiFi, but after a reboot it connects without any hicks. Worst update ever. I'm also thinking of going back to 4.4.4.
I have both Nexus 5 and Nexus 10. Been installed CM-Nightly build regularly. Only Nexus 10 experienced wifi issues. Just like mentioned here from different members, dropouts and authentication errors. Toggle wifi on/off will have it up awhile.
I live with this problems since 5.01 out. With now 5.1 on horizon, I hope we will have this issue fixed. Otherwise, I am going back to 4.4 in Nexus 10.
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Same issues for me. A few times a day I get dropouts, then authentication problem on my WiFi, but after a reboot it connects without any hicks. Worst update ever. I'm also thinking of going back to 4.4.4.
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US..ONLY..So after an extensive research ...I bought the biggest Smartphone I can get...An 8 inch screen phone with a good battery life. For starters, here is what I found out...
Huawei has several models that are very confusing and even their customer service were not that much informative. models I have encountered are the following:
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 823 L - 2 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage (Limited Bands for LTE but 4G speeds were fast enough for my use, got it from ebay)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 821 L - 1 GB RAM and 8 GB or 16 GB Storage options (More bands for LTE but 1 GB of RAM only)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Honor - 821 W - 1 GB RAM and 16 GB storage option (I think the W stands for WIFI...this I cannot confirm)
Huawei T1 8 Pro Mediapad - 2 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage from gethuawei website...out of stock as of this writing)
Huawei T1 8 Mediapad - 1 GB RAM and 16 GB Storage
This one has 4.4 for Android OS...I do not know if http://forum.xda-developers.com/hua...ot-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0-pro-lte-t1-t3262608
has found a way to upgrade to Lollipop and remove bloatwares.
personally, the hardware is decent and battery life is great. I used it for 1 day and end fo the day still had 50% of battery life. I do need to have big pants though. Is there anyone trying to develop an updated OS for this system?
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US..ONLY..So after an extensive research ...
This one has 4.4 for Android OS...I do not know if http://forum.xda-developers.com/hua...ot-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0-pro-lte-t1-t3262608
has found a way to upgrade to Lollipop and remove bloatwares.
personally, the hardware is decent and battery life is great. I used it for 1 day and end fo the day still had 50% of battery life. I do need to have big pants though. Is there anyone trying to develop an updated OS for this system?
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Nope nobody is developing anything to this device... Not even Huawei I guess... BTW after root bloatware can be easily removed...
Too bad...
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Nope nobody is developing anything to this device... Not even Huawei I guess... BTW after root bloatware can be easily removed...
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Too Bad, this is a good device and the battery life is good for a phone with an 8 inch screen. It is also good for those who have problems with vision and not wanting to be bringing 2 devices for travels.
I may have to learn programming to see if I can update this...
I have the MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro and it has the best radio/modem for T-Mobile coverage. It even covers their HSPDA+ 750 MhZ band which only a few phones cover; this is the band that T-Mobile calls the "building buster" for its ability to penetrate most buildings. So yeah for all that.. I'm now waiting for an 8-inch phablet that's octo-core and features Lollipop or Marshmallow. So far I have been unable to find one..
So which one of the above did you get? 823L, 821L, or the one from Gethuawei website?...i m like you impressed with the build but needs a pure Android OS to maximize it's potential.
A have the pro8 t1-821L its rootable and bloatware can be removed this way I have also unlocked the bootloader but there is no custom recovery or ROM which is a damn shame because it's nice bit of kit a can watch movies all night long on it and still not need to charge it also am not locked to EE either so if any devs r reading this post please help this phablet out? cheers
Agree
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A have the pro8 t1-821L its rootable and bloatware can be removed this way I have also unlocked the bootloader but there is no custom recovery or ROM which is a damn shame because it's nice bit of kit a can watch movies all night long on it and still not need to charge it also am not locked to EE either so if any devs r reading this post please help this phablet out cheers
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I would have wanted the 821L also but there were no 2GB available anywhere. Only 1 GB. But even with my 823L and connecting at 4G, the speed is negligible in our area which is Central Florida. I get to watch Netflix, and Youtube also with not much lag. And I do not have to squint from a small screen. Agree, also that if anyone can build a custom ROM that's plain Android Lolllipop would be nice.
Would a T1 8 Cutom ROM work for the T1 8 Pro?
http://unlock-bootloader.net/how-to/unlock-bootloader-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0/
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I would have wanted the 821L also but there were no 2GB available anywhere. Only 1 GB. But even with my 823L and connecting at 4G, the speed is negligible in our area which is Central Florida. I get to watch Netflix, and Youtube also with not much lag. And I do not have to squint from a small screen. Agree, also that if anyone can build a custom ROM that's plain Android Lolllipop would be nice.
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Yes it would be and highly appreciated too?
str8pah23 said:
Would a T1 8 Cutom ROM work for the T1 8 Pro?
http://unlock-bootloader.net/how-to/unlock-bootloader-huawei-mediapad-t1-8-0/
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The page you linked is not good. The download links are there just to make you send money. Currently there are no custom recovery for huawei t1 8.0 neither to t1 8.0 pro without that installing custom roms are not really convenient. And also I wasn't able to find any custom rom especially on XDA, so I'm pretty sure thereare no "hints" on xda as the page says....
Huawei MediaPad T1 8.0 Pro GSM Unlocked 4G LTE US
Yes I do agree with everyone here. It is a very great device and a lot of bang for your buck plus more. The great thing about it is that you can basically make it however you want it. I manually updated mine to Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow. Which took some time because Huawei is a very new brand and I had to get used to there EmotionUI. Which didn't take long because its Android too. Just without the app drawer. So its kind of ahead because Android N is going that direction from what I hear. Also after rooting and installing BusyBox I tried to install xPosed. But the Huawei device wouldn't take it because they already have there own framework. So I started to tinker more with it and found out that yes indeed they have framework already. That's why it reads a message error when trying to install xPosed and it says something about xPosed not being compatible. I believe it has something to do with their EmotionUI. Not sure though because that's my first Huawei experience. The device is really solid though. Resolution can be tweaked and the display looks so gorgeous then. Values for everything can be tweaked to make the OS run liquid smooth and fast with very little noticeable lag or hiccups. Also the volume values can change as well giving it a more premium sound. Camera resolution was turned up along with high quality pictures. So the pics stayed sharp looking. Also when some values are entered it gives the gaming experience so much more life through the CPU and the GPU. Rendering gets way better too. Also changing the data values gives it more LTE speed too. Along with other values that make the browser loading times instantly. Even when being on the mobile data network seems like you would be connected to WiFi. It saves a lot of data too. And the battery is amazing. I'm trying to remember what other tweaks worked perfect for it and it ran with no problems. Oh yes it can multi task with up to four things going on. I got the app where you can, watch YouTube and Google something. And watch something on eBay all in different windows at the same time. It got warm but handles it very well. You should overclock it and have the battery set on smart mode. Oh yes and change the font. I had Disney font on it and went to a more modern font look. I'll let y'all know what else I did if I can think of anymore things. Just reply I will come back to this forum. It is my most favorite device of all at the moment. And Huawei is so new too.
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Yes I do agree with everyone here. It is a very great device and a lot of bang for your buck plus more. The great thing about it is that you can basically make it however you want it. I manually updated mine to Android 6.0.1 Marshmallow. Which took some time because Huawei is a very new brand and I had to get used to there EmotionUI. Which didn't take long because its Android too. Just without the app drawer. So its kind of ahead because Android N is going that direction from what I hear. Also after rooting and installing BusyBox I tried to install xPosed. But the Huawei device wouldn't take it because they already have there own framework. So I started to tinker more with it and found out that yes indeed they have framework already. That's why it reads a message error when trying to install xPosed and it says something about xPosed not being compatible. I believe it has something to do with their EmotionUI. Not sure though because that's my first Huawei experience. The device is really solid though. Resolution can be tweaked and the display looks so gorgeous then. Values for everything can be tweaked to make the OS run liquid smooth and fast with very little noticeable lag or hiccups. Also the volume values can change as well giving it a more premium sound. Camera resolution was turned up along with high quality pictures. So the pics stayed sharp looking. Also when some values are entered it gives the gaming experience so much more life through the CPU and the GPU. Rendering gets way better too. Also changing the data values gives it more LTE speed too. Along with other values that make the browser loading times instantly. Even when being on the mobile data network seems like you would be connected to WiFi. It saves a lot of data too. And the battery is amazing. I'm trying to remember what other tweaks worked perfect for it and it ran with no problems. Oh yes it can multi task with up to four things going on. I got the app where you can, watch YouTube and Google something. And watch something on eBay all in different windows at the same time. It got warm but handles it very well. You should overclock it and have the battery set on smart mode. Oh yes and change the font. I had Disney font on it and went to a more modern font look. I'll let y'all know what else I did if I can think of anymore things. Just reply I will come back to this forum. It is my most favorite device of all at the moment. And Huawei is so new too.
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How did you updated your device to Android 6.0?
Yes, how did you update to 6 Marshmallow, your experience is very promising for us...
Sorry....
Con_Sole said:
The page you linked is not good. The download links are there just to make you send money. Currently there are no custom recovery for huawei t1 8.0 neither to t1 8.0 pro without that installing custom roms are not really convenient. And also I wasn't able to find any custom rom especially on XDA, so I'm pretty sure thereare no "hints" on xda as the page says....
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So sorry the link is not working...I guess it's up to this thread if we can have enough people to put our thought and reviews together about this device. As of today, I started looking at battery life, Pulled out the charger at 7 AM, Now its 7 Pm and I still at 70%.
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So sorry the link is not working...I guess it's up to this thread if we can have enough people to put our thought and reviews together about this device. As of today, I started looking at battery life, Pulled out the charger at 7 AM, Now its 7 Pm and I still at 70%.
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Can we use a T1 10 Pro Rom for this device? Any of our XDA programmers chime in...?
So I just bought a Huawei ascend mate 7... finished using the tablet phone as I am almost done with my school... It was a nice piece of hardware and convenient in not having to bring two devices... But now I need mobility so I will be selling this one soon on eBay. If only it had a good following to install a updated os ....
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