Ok, so knock on always works with a third party launcher, but you have to knock the status bar to knock off right? Well, I just found that sslauncher has a double tap action option, and while sleep isn't built in, if you have xposed, and gravity box installed you can put it to sleep with a double tap. Select double tap action in sslauncher preferences, select gravity box, select sleep. Then you can double tap anywhere on the launcher and put the phone to sleep
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There is an app called screen off, you have gestures in any third party launcher and go to activities and then go to the screen off app and select screen off.
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muzamal said:
There is an app called screen off, you have gestures in any third party launcher and go to activities and then go to the screen off app and select screen off.
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Thanks for the tip.
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well.. that's what i did.. used nova launcher + screen off.. no need to install xposed or stuff like that.. it's really easy
luvher said:
well.. that's what i did.. used nova launcher + screen off.. no need to install xposed or stuff like that.. it's really easy
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There are a lot more advantages to xposed then just having knock off. I removed the nav keys and replaced them with pie (Instant screen size increase), changed the status bar icon colors, enabled slide across the status bar brightness control, cleaned up the notification shade, and much much more.
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joshxdroid said:
There are a lot more advantages to xposed then just having knock off. I removed the nav keys and replaced them with pie (Instant screen size increase), changed the status bar icon colors, enabled slide across the status bar brightness control, cleaned up the notification shade, and much much more.
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Rather than using pie, I disabled the nav bar and use Ultimate Dynamic Navbar instead and change the background to transparent, and the size to minimum. Since the size of the navbar is so small, it doesnt' intrude as much even when I try to click on the content near the bottom of the screen. I never like pie that much since I have to siwpe up and then select one of the buttons. It just seems to be unintuitive.
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Rather than using pie, I disabled the nav bar and use Ultimate Dynamic Navbar instead and change the background to transparent, and the size to minimum. Since the size of the navbar is so small, it doesnt' intrude as much even when I try to click on the content near the bottom of the screen. I never like pie that much since I have to siwpe up and then select one of the buttons. It just seems to be unintuitive.
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I can definitely see where the pie can be unintuitive, for me personally I've gotten so used to it that it's like a single motion to make a selection, and it feels very second nature now, but I love changing things up so I might give ultimate dynamic a whirl sometime.
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There are a lot more advantages to xposed then just having knock off. I removed the nav keys and replaced them with pie (Instant screen size increase), changed the status bar icon colors, enabled slide across the status bar brightness control, cleaned up the notification shade, and much much more.
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Hi, yes i know about all that features just wanted to show a simpler way as your thread title says: "Knock off with ss launcher!" it doesn't say "Look what you can do with Xposed eg. Knock-Off".. anyway if that's the solution for you then everythings cool :good:
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There is an app called screen off, you have gestures in any third party launcher and go to activities and then go to the screen off app and select screen off.
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Awesome!
Thanks to this post i downloaded ss launcher and i must say that it is pretty sweet! i followed your advise and did the gravity box mod and it works flawlessly =) thanks!
in_dmand said:
Thanks to this post i downloaded ss launcher and i must say that it is pretty sweet! i followed your advise and did the gravity box mod and it works flawlessly =) thanks!
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Thank you for the tip. Very useful.
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Good: Double tap any blank area of any home screen
Better: Double tap status bar
Best IMO: Download and install LMT launcher from here to setup PIE controls. If you find the LMT settings intimidating watch this video. It'll walk you through setup. Go to settings>Set gesture input and choose #2. Under the PIE tab select your pie piece and then under advanced command options choose KEY and put the number 26. Now when you access your PIE shortcut labeled "KEY" it'll turn off the display.
Thanks to members trh1341 and _Sofos_ for helping me figure this out.
These are good tips guys. While I knew all of this. It's good someone got the word out a lot of people don't know!
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Method #4: Lock/turn off your screen by tapping the Lock Screen App icon from your home screen, app drawer, or recent apps : https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=kennethcheng.com.lockscreen.free
I used this on all my phones before I got my G2 and it worked flawlessly.
Does the LMT Launcher allow you to hide the stock soft keys?
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Does the LMT Launcher allow you to hide the stock soft keys?
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I would like to know this as well
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kl2oo0 said:
I would like to know this as well
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.hidesoftkeys
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You can also just wait anywhere from 30 seconds to 15 minutes and it will go off on its own, unless you have it on never turn off but I think it will eventually lol.
I am using nova launcher and double tap to turn on works fine but won't turn off. Double tap on the status bar is too tricky for me to operate on one hand.
Thanks to a xda user, to get it to turn off with double tap you will have to download /screen off/ app from play store and set the double tap quick key in nova to launch the app. Works like charm.
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kcharng said:
I am using nova launcher and double tap to turn on works fine but won't turn off. Double tap on the status bar is too tricky for me to operate on one hand.
Thanks to a xda user, to get it to turn off with double tap you will have to download /screen off/ app from play store and set the double tap quick key in nova to launch the app. Works like charm.
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It's also easy to set up a Tasker task, and then call it on double tap from Apex or Nova
Elixir admin works too, but for some reason makes mine less responsive to double tap wakeup about 1/3 of the time
My favorite is Shake Off. A gentle twist or shake tturns the screen off and its adjustable sensitivity and direction options make it easy to keep from having the screen turn off too easily, pretty sure its free too. Very convenient and highly recommended.
I love my screen space, so my only concern with the LG G2 was the on screen Nav Bar eating up my precious screen. So I began my hunt to find a solution, now I am on T-mobile and development is starting off slower than the other carriers so after some searching here is my solution to remove the Nav Bar and LMT (pie control) on my LG G2 T-mobile (801).
Step 1: Download and install GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.hidesoftkeys&hl=en Pro version is required for the last step to work.
Step 2: Download latest LMT Launcher v1.912 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150&page=686 1. Install apk 2. Open app 3. Swipe Activate Tochservice to ON 4. Check auto start 5. Open Set Gesture Input and select #4 6:The rest are customization options, user choice
Step 3: Open GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys 1. Swipe Enable to ON 2. Check Hide Soft Keys 3. Check Start on Boot 4. Make sure Notification is not checked (Pro) 5. Open Navigation option and click none (Pro)
Make sure you are rooted and give permissions every time you are asked
Enjoy
This is tested on T-mobile but I do not see any reason why it would not work on other versions of the G2
What's the purpose of the LMT launcher?
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Jrock436 said:
I love my screen space, so my only concern with the LG G2 was the on screen Nav Bar eating up my precious screen. So I began my hunt to find a solution, now I am on T-mobile and development is starting off slower than the other carriers so after some searching here is my solution to remove the Nav Bar and LMT (pie control) on my LG G2 T-mobile (801).
Step 1: Download and install GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.gmd.hidesoftkeys&hl=en Pro version is required for the last step to work.
Step 2: Download latest LMT Launcher v1.912 http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1330150&page=686 1. Install apk 2. Open app 3. Swipe Activate Tochservice to ON 4. Check auto start 5. Open Set Gesture Input and select #4 6:The rest are customization options, user choice
Step 3: Open GMD Auto Hide Soft Keys 1. Swipe Enable to ON 2. Check Hide Soft Keys 3. Check Start on Boot 4. Make sure Notification is not checked (Pro) 5. Open Navigation option and click none (Pro)
Make sure you are rooted and give permissions every time you are asked
Enjoy
This is tested on T-mobile but I do not see any reason why it would not work on other versions of the G2
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Nicely done! I'll give this a shot tonight.
Hi i'm searching for this all day
Finally the solution was autohide PRO..
In this way both app will run in background occupying RAM, right? Amount?
Forget LMT and auto hide pro...There is a app that is ALOT better than both of them.Search for UDN (ultimate dynamic navbar) It will let you hide the big LG soft keys completely,and replace them with its keys that are fully customisable and can be as tiny as you want them to, and they can hide also (same as Auto hide pro).Just remember to unhide the LG keys from settings before you off it tho.
sorry for double post
I don't get it when I follow the instructions and the final step when I click PRO, I lose my Nav bar and have no soft keys at all
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shook187 said:
I don't get it when I follow the instructions and the final step when I click PRO, I lose my Nav bar and have no soft keys at all
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You have to completely set up LMT first, try setting the trigger area to the bottom and right side so when getting rid of the nav bar you can use the pie controls.
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woof123 said:
Forget LMT and auto hide pro...There is a app that is ALOT better than both of them.Search for UDN (ultimate dynamic navbar) It will let you hide the big LG soft keys completely,and replace them with its keys that are fully customisable and can be as tiny as you want them to, and they can hide also (same as Auto hide pro).Just remember to unhide the LG keys from settings before you off it tho.
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Good call, looks good, I just tried it and I like it but I enjoy the pie control a little better. Thanks for the advice.
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shook187 said:
What's the purpose of the LMT launcher?
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LMT allows you to swipe from a chosen trigger point. It gives you pie control like nav bar.
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nimo182 said:
Hi i'm searching for this all day
Finally the solution was autohide PRO..
In this way both app will run in background occupying RAM, right? Amount?
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Yupppppp UDN is clutch in combination with the Auto hide softkeys app..
auto hide softkeys to get rid of the softkeys
and udn for the hideable customizable new softkeys... the fact that the softkeys stay on the screen until you touch elsewhere is clutch... its annoying not being able to repeatly press a softkey without it collapsing on you, and with udn, it doesnt do that
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Yupppppp UDN is clutch in combination with the Auto hide softkeys app..
auto hide softkeys to get rid of the softkeys
and udn for the hideable customizable new softkeys... the fact that the softkeys stay on the screen until you touch elsewhere is clutch... its annoying not being able to repeatly press a softkey without it collapsing on you, and with udn, it doesnt do that
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I got rid of them with UDN without the need of a second program.I just tick Hide real navbar option (it says its dangerous but its just saying that cause it mods build prop lol but you can get them back if you un tick it)
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I got rid of them with UDN without the need of a second program.I just tick Hide real navbar option (it says its dangerous but its just saying that cause it mods build prop lol but you can get them back if you un tick it)
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i opted out when i read of a few people having issues with this..... tmobile???
joemagistro said:
i opted out when i read of a few people having issues with this..... tmobile???
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I dont know,i dont have any issues,i got the Korean model F320S tho.Still it doesnt matter how we do it,as long as we do what we need.
To hide the soft keys without any app add this to the bottom of your build.prop
qemu.hw.mainkeys=1
Do it with a build.prop editor so you get the right permissions and so on.
Don't forget to set up LMT first.
Tapatalked.
It doesn't even look half bad with a smaller navigation bar.. But I might get rid of it anyways
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Is there a way to auto-hide the top notification bar just like the app mentioned and its effects on the navigation bar?
I have been using Android phones for years, but never did I find, after hours of searching, something like this. Full screen potential.
What I'm asking is like what an app named " Smart Statusbar" does. The only problem with this is that it only works with apps that hide the notification bar, not all apps.
Thanks!
qsec said:
To hide the soft keys without any app add this to the bottom of your build.prop
qemu.hw.mainkeys=1
Do it with a build.prop editor so you get the right permissions and so on.
Don't forget to set up LMT first.
Tapatalked.
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How do you get the permissions? Keeps saying failed when saving and when I try to move-->replace, brick city
IamPro said:
How do you get the permissions? Keeps saying failed when saving and when I try to move-->replace, brick city
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Sorry, forgot to say that you need to be rooted for this.
Othervice for example this editor sets correct permissions automatically when you save.
Use the pencil icon when adding the line, not the +.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.jrummy.apps.build.prop.editor&hl=en
I just switched over to Nova Launcher because I have my homescreen set up nice from previous devices.However, when I did this, I lost the a couple things I can seem to get back while using Nova; 1) Smart Notification (the LG widget showing weather and what not) and 2) double tap screen to lock.
With double tap to lock I did try to use the double tap gesture in the Nova Gesture settings but it isn't an option and I can't find it in the other choices.
Anyone know if there is a way to get those back?
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I just switched over to Nova Launcher because I have my homescreen set up nice from previous devices.However, when I did this, I lost the a couple things I can seem to get back while using Nova; 1) Smart Notification (the LG widget showing weather and what not) and 2) double tap screen to lock.
With double tap to lock I did try to use the double tap gesture in the Nova Gesture settings but it isn't an option and I can't find it in the other choices.
Anyone know if there is a way to get those back?
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Install the G3TweaksBox xposed module. There's an option for the Knock On Nav Bar in there and it works just fine with Nova.
Not sure about the smart Notification deal I don't use it.
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Double tap notification bar to sleep. Works without any mods.
Download this app and set Nova Launcher's double tap gesture to open it.
As for the widget, well, it's pretty common that widgets from LG/Samsung/HTC et al don't work with third-party launchers. Unfortunately there isn't a solution.
Best answrer n fix no app to dl
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Double tap notification bar to sleep. Works without any mods.
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moosc said:
Best answrer n fix no app to dl
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Didn't know that thanks. Taping the Nav Bar seems easier though say if you're holding the phone with one hand... Either way though
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Hey guys, any of you started using Nova on v30? Which features are disabled when using Nova? Also can you do anything to navigation buttons like change the icons or make the tab transparent? Thanks!
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I've been running Nova since I got my V30. I haven't noticed anything being disabled on the V30 compared to the other devices I've used it on. Yes, you can change the icons on the nav buttons, and all other features that Nova is known for.
Knock On/Off is disabled when using Nova. Sadly. Basically one of my favorite LG features can't be used. If you get another app like Screen On/Off it messes with the security settings and you cant' use the finger print to unlock, you have to do your pattern/password. So yeah, not exactly thrilled w/ using the LG launcher but it is what is.
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Knock On/Off is disabled when using Nova. Sadly. Basically one of my favorite LG features can't be used. If you get another app like Screen On/Off it messes with the security settings and you cant' use the finger print to unlock, you have to do your pattern/password. So yeah, not exactly thrilled w/ using the LG launcher but it is what is.
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You can use knock on with nova and off. Just knock on the notification bar works 100% has since my g3.
lg3FTW said:
You can use knock on with nova and off. Just knock on the motivation bar works 100% has since my g3.
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Ironically enough, I just noticed that they have a screen lock option in the settings for gestures and inputs now too...
There are two options, one is locks the screen immediately (which requires pin/password/patter, which I didn't want) and the other just turns the screen off for 5 seconds then locks itself, allowing for knock on and fingerprint. So thanks for pointing me in the right direction!
And yes, you can double tap the notification shade as well and that does the same as the second option.
Thanks again!
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I've been running Nova since I got my V30. I haven't noticed anything being disabled on the V30 compared to the other devices I've used it on. Yes, you can change the icons on the nav buttons, and all other features that Nova is known for.
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I have been using Nova on my HTC m9 for a long time and couldn't figure out how to change navigation icon, can you explain me how? Thank you
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melihcarter said:
I have been using Nova on my HTC m9 for a long time and couldn't figure out how to change navigation icon, can you explain me how? Thank you
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Just use this. Nova with HTC won't only the LG does change nav bar icons stock. This will work for you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.damianpiwowarski.navbarapps
lg3FTW said:
Just use this. Nova with HTC won't only the LG does change nav bar icons stock. This will work for you. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=pl.damianpiwowarski.navbarapps
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Thank you for your help!
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The V30 new floating bar doesn't show up for me on the home screen, but shows up in any apps or settings. Kind of a bummer since they removed the ticker screen in the v20 and v10 for the virtual one, but I have to choose between nova and no ticker on the home screen or a different launcher and ticker on the home screen :/
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The V30 new floating bar doesn't show up for me on the home screen, but shows up in any apps or settings. Kind of a bummer since they removed the ticker screen in the v20 and v10 for the virtual one, but I have to choose between nova and no ticker on the home screen or a different launcher and ticker on the home screen :/
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How do you use the ticker on the home screen, for what purposes? I'm asking because for instance if it's in order to launch apps maybe there's another way more efficient?
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How do you use the ticker on the home screen, for what purposes? I'm asking because for instance if it's in order to launch apps maybe there's another way more efficient?
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I actually figured out that it will stay on the home screen as long as I don't hide the navigation buttons. When I keep the navigation buttons persistent on the screen, I can use the ticker.
As for what I use it for, there are some media control settings, shortcuts, but most useful is screen shot and making gif features.
Oh man that was the only issue I was worried about using a launcher. I really wanna use the floating bar but can't give up nova either [emoji58]
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SCougar26 said:
I've been running Nova since I got my V30. I haven't noticed anything being disabled on the V30 compared to the other devices I've used it on. Yes, you can change the icons on the nav buttons, and all other features that Nova is known for.
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can you send a pic of the display if possible?
Hello,
I know this is an old thread but want to ask the question regarding Nova launcher and the LGV30+ that I have.
When I setup the Nova Launcher, to unlock the phone with my finger print, it asked me for addition pattern or a pin. Now that it is set up, whenever I use the fingerprint to unlock the phone, it also ask for a pattern.
Does anyone else have this issue?
LG V30+ Tmobile USA.
Thanks
Doz5 said:
Hello,
I know this is an old thread but want to ask the question regarding Nova launcher and the LGV30+ that I have.
When I setup the Nova Launcher, to unlock the phone with my finger print, it asked me for addition pattern or a pin. Now that it is set up, whenever I use the fingerprint to unlock the phone, it also ask for a pattern.
Does anyone else have this issue?
LG V30+ Tmobile USA.
Thanks
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If you are using Nova's double tap to sleep feature, and you have it set to the 'Device Admin' option for the lock method, you will not be able to use biometric unlock. Using the 'Timeout' method will allow you to use the fingerprint scanner as normal.
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If you are using Nova's double tap to sleep feature, and you have it set to the 'Device Admin' option for the lock method, you will not be able to use biometric unlock. Using the 'Timeout' method will allow you to use the fingerprint scanner as normal.
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Thank you for that. Do you know if there is a way to set this up to work with the double tap to lock the screen? It is giving me a message that it has to be an admin.
Thanks.
EDIT: OK figured it out. You set Nova to turn off the screen with a double tap. The timeout will lock it.
Thanks!
I know the thread is a little old, but someone also asked about using the floating bar with Nova.
Should be able to use it. I know a question was previously asked about it by a poster, and the issue was not Nova, but the fact that the poster had the Navigation Bar set to auto hide, and the Floating Bar is directly tied to the Navigation Bar. If the Navigation Bar is hidden, the Floating Bar will not display.
Hello
How do I disable Nova launcher to grt back to the LG V30s default launcher?
Thanks, Jake
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Hello
How do I disable Nova launcher to grt back to the LG V30s default launcher?
Thanks, Jake
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Settings/apps and notifications/default apps
Thanks so much
Is there any mod or anyone who can develop oneplus gestures available for 5t or 6 for lg v30 instead of navbar?
Before anyone suggest xda gestures app i don't want that...! Purely gestures on lg stock firmware?
there is a small program - navigation gestures.
available at playstore. it simulates the gesture control with swipes, but has some drawbacks i couldn't fix, so decided to uninstall it. but you may try if it fits to you.
drawback?
sanmag said:
there is a small program - navigation gestures.
available at playstore. it simulates the gesture control with swipes, but has some drawbacks i couldn't fix, so decided to uninstall it. but you may try if it fits to you.
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what drawbacks did u found?
I also tried Navigation Gestures (even bought it) but switched to Fluid Navigation, I feel it works better but still not as well as my former OP6 or iPhone but well enough to keep on my V30.
Theres a line at the bottom, when i type something often tapping on this line and phone goes to home screen
no other way
rzracer2 said:
I also tried Navigation Gestures (even bought it) but switched to Fluid Navigation, I feel it works better but still not as well as my former OP6 or iPhone but well enough to keep on my V30.
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so i guess there is no other way around to replace lg navigation bar with op6 gestures?
useless
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Theres a line at the bottom, when i type something often tapping on this line and phone goes to home screen
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so its useless to install the app
sanmag said:
Theres a line at the bottom, when i type something often tapping on this line and phone goes to home screen
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In this (Fluid NG) app you can set the lowest sensitivity. I think it might help.
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I've been using this app for a while with no issues
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ivianuu.oneplusgestures&hl=en_US
I also use a substratum layer to set my nav bar to 0 height so I don't have to use some weird work around to hide the nav bar. It's been a good combo for me
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I've been using this app for a while with no issues
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.ivianuu.oneplusgestures&hl=en_US
I also use a substratum layer to set my nav bar to 0 height so I don't have to use some weird work around to hide the nav bar. It's been a good combo for me
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Did u tried this app by just giving root access to disable navbar and enable main switch.?
hassanulhaq said:
Did u tried this app by just giving root access to disable navbar and enable main switch.?
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That will work. But I'd rather just get rid of the nav bar completely. When I used the app to hide it, the nav bar would sometimes come back
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jsgraphicart said:
That will work. But I'd rather just get rid of the nav bar completely. When I used the app to hide it, the nav bar would sometimes come back
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well i have given app the root as well as xposed module access... so far so good...
I think stock navigation bar is better than OnePlus gestures and fluid navigation. I tried both and believe me my hands get so tired of swiping up and down. Buttons are good
trouble. said:
I think stock navigation bar is better than OnePlus gestures and fluid navigation. I tried both and believe me my hands get so tired of swiping up and down. Buttons are good
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Well it may be ur preference... I installed oneplus gestures trust me its way batter then navbar ... I haven't used fluid navigation... Extra beneift is full screen.:laugh: