Any good way to get NTFS support? I was using NtfsSd for a while https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oyaxai.ntfssd but it hasn't been updated for 4.2. Just wondering if anyone has a better solution.
Anybody?
lordazoroth said:
Any good way to get NTFS support? I was using NtfsSd for a while https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.oyaxai.ntfssd but it hasn't been updated for 4.2. Just wondering if anyone has a better solution.
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Why would you want this? Have you tried ext4 or exFat?
BLuFeNiX said:
Why would you want this? Have you tried ext4 or exFat?
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Ext4 isn't supported natively by windows, therefore leading to compatibility issues with most of the worlds computers unless you install additional software (effectively defeating the purpose). exFAT on the other hand is more prone to corruption than NTFS. NTFS utilizes a redundant MFT record number (useful for recovering damaged MFT files). Since SD cards are essentially removable media, it is wise to build and maintain your foundation upon the format with the lowest chance of data loss.
Any suggestions?
lordazoroth said:
Ext4 isn't supported natively by windows, therefore leading to compatibility issues with most of the worlds computers unless you install additional software (effectively defeating the purpose). exFAT on the other hand is more prone to corruption than NTFS. NTFS utilizes a redundant MFT record number (useful for recovering damaged MFT files). Since SD cards are essentially removable media, it is wise to build and maintain your foundation upon the format with the lowest chance of data loss.
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My concern is that NTFS might not play well with android. Yes, it usually works fine with Linux, but NTFS is not an open source filesystem and any 3rd party driver written for it has the potential to cause problems and data loss.
Do you expect to frequently remove the SD card from your device? If not, ext4 would work fine (mounted via usb on your drive), and also provides superior journaling to NTFS.
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My concern is that NTFS might not play well with android. Yes, it usually works fine with Linux, but NTFS is not an open source filesystem and any 3rd party driver written for it has the potential to cause problems and data loss.
Do you expect to frequently remove the SD card from your device? If not, ext4 would work fine (mounted via usb on your drive), and also provides superior journaling to NTFS.
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Unfortunately yes I plan on removing it occasionally. When transferring a file from my PC to the SD card through my phone, any files larger than 4gb are immediately rejected, even when using exFAT or NTFS. I suspect this is because the PC cannot detect the format of the SD card while it is in the Phone and assumes it is FAT32. I've experienced no data issues using with NTFS and Android and have been using this system for 2 years now. I've even recovered from data corruption on a few occasions due to improper removal of cards and crashes and such. However, I've not been so fortunate with exFAT. While I could download files larger than 4gb from the PC instead of using the PC to push them to the phone, it would require each file be accessible by granting access to entire directories solely for the purpose of a temporary transfer session. This is obviously unacceptable for too many reasons to list here. If there was any other way I would gladly take it, but NTFS appears to be my best option and I would prefer not to settle for exFAT. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Ty for your replies so far by the way
You're gonna have to wait for a custom kernel for NTFS support.
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I search some thread from X10 section regarding the file format on SD card, most of the discussion is relate only to FAT or FAT32.
A simple noob question, if I convert my sd card to the NTFS, are android still recognize my sd card and still function on it?
I asking this because NTFS theoretically less fragment and faster overall compare to the FAT32, i really hate defrag my sd card to increase system performances, it take tons of my time.
*pardon my grammar and my knowledge on android.
I don't think NTFS support is available in the current X10 kernel, although I might be wrong. ext4 would be the more logical choice though, but then you wouldn't be able to access it on your windows computer.
thx for reply, just check with wiki, looks good.
however, back to the fundamental question, even sony stock 2.1 can recognize ext4, can window7 32bit home recognize and operate as well? I check with the several thread it "seem" that window had failed to recognize the ext4 file system and make them format their sd card.
Even X10 is a super phone, and it still rely on computer, too bad.
Windows 7 cannot access ext4 natively, but there might be some software that can take care of that. For example, when I had my hackintosh leopard, I used Mac Drive to access the HFS OSX drives from within windows
Be careful though, I'm sure there would be some repercussions to converting the SDcard to ext4, research some more on that before you decide on anything.
Good luck!
I wanted to buy a 32GB Class 10 card for my GS2, so I can watch movies at my friends houses. That is one of the main reasons I bought this phone. Mostly all of my movies are .MKV files around 8-10GB, but I read somewhere that you can only have videos under 4GB. I understand that is true for Fat32, is that how the SD card will function in the GS2? Is their no way to get it to take larger files? If not I'll just get a 16GB and save some money.
Their is no other format or something that can be done so it will take larger movies?
It might be possible to hack it up to support ext4, but then you'll only be able to read/write the SD card from the phone or a Linux box.
Okay I guess I'll just buy a 16gb since the movies can only be under 4gb
Convert it to ext4 and use this on the windows box. http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-read-ext3ext4-linux-partition-from-windows-7.html
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Okay I'm a noob, so I don't fully understand all of this.
ext4, is a newer format that allows large files?
So android phones can read Fat32 and ext4?
The phone can format in ext4 or you have to use windows for that?
is their any problems with ext4, slow speed problems righting too, not to stable?
Also if I format it to ext4, and I hook it up to my PC, can windows read that? or every PC i'm gonna need some special software to view the SD?
dfxda said:
Okay I'm a noob, so I don't fully understand all of this.
ext4, is a newer format that allows large files?
So android phones can read Fat32 and ext4?
The phone can format in ext4 or you have to use windows for that?
is their any problems with ext4, slow speed problems righting too, not to stable?
Also if I format it to ext4, and I hook it up to my PC, can windows read that? or every PC i'm gonna need some special software to view the SD?
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Ext4 is a filesystem that allows large files, just like NTFS on Windows. Ext4 is the standard filesystem on newer Linux distributions. (Just like its predecessors ext2 and ext3 were). Even ext2 supports large files.
Unfortunately, the situation is that NTFS support on Linux is so-so, and ext4 support on Windows is even poorer. I'm not sure if the solution in the link above will allow write access to ext4 safely - I know as of 2-3 years ago it could read ext3 but not write, it could only write ext2.
Ext4 is vastly superior to FAT - that's why our phone uses it for all of its "non-USB-mountable" filesystems, and why Honeycomb devices use it for "unified" storage. To avoid the issue of ext4 support in Windows, they use MTP instead of USB Mass Storage mode, as MTP is file-oriented (hides the underlying filesystem from the host machine), while USB Mass Storage is block-oriented (the host machine must understand the filesystem format).
I think our phones support MTP, but I'm not sure how well this would play with an "ext4" hack since that wasn't designed into our phone.
Anyway - We have an 800x480 screen, anything above 1GB/hour is going to just be a waste of storage. (Unless you're using an MHL adapter to connect to an HDMI TV.)
My main goal was to be able to copy my 1080p .KMV movies to the SD and play them out at peoples houses using MHL adapter to TV.
So then I can't use NTFS? that's what I use on all my other drives. Is android not able to read that?
dfxda said:
My main goal was to be able to copy my 1080p .KMV movies to the SD and play them out at peoples houses using MHL adapter to TV.
So then I can't use NTFS? that's what I use on all my other drives. Is android not able to read that?
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Not directly. It's possible to compile it into the kernel but I'm not sure how well it'll work.
There's also FUSE and ntfs-3g, but again - not sure how well those will work on an Android device, I've only used ntfs-3g on desktop machines.
Both would require kernel tweaks and probably also initramfs tweaks unless you want to do a lot of manual mounting, I'll try to look at it when I have the time.
Hey thanks for all the help.
I guess then I'll just get the 16gb, and use the fat32 that's made for the phone.
kinda stinks though
Hi there.
I think that all android devices support fat32 filesystem, the problems its the storage limitation of 4gb max per file in the sdcard.
I been trying to avoid the limitation of 4gb in all my android devices with this results, giving using different filesystems on my sdcard (ext2, ext3, exfat, ntfs...).
Galaxy s3: supports fat32 and exfat
Chinese tablet aoson m7: Suppots fat32 and ntfs
Chinese phone Lenono A760: Suppots only fat32.
Andoid its based on linux, but none of my devices recognice the sdcard with ext2 or ext3 formats.
Also I don't understand why only the chinese tablet supports NTFS. It's because they paid to microsoft so they can use that filesystem?
How it's possible that any device supports a free filesystem like ext3???
I think that I will get rid of the lenovo a760...I need to use files larger than 4gb.
thank you
Looks like you could root it and enable USB OTG support for a little pen drive or something of that sort. How often are you really going to need that many files bigger than 4 GB on your phone?
http://android-sensor.com/Lenovo_A760/programs/system_software/78-usb-otg-helper-root.html (use Google Translate if you can't read Czech - I know I can't lol)
that link leads to:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.shajul.usbotg
To mount ext partitions automatically, I think you also have to be rooted and run an auto-mount script (or manually via terminal commands). This is not for your phone, but provided as an example and info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2076327
es0tericcha0s said:
Looks like you could root it and enable USB OTG support for a little pen drive or something of that sort. How often are you really going to need that many files bigger than 4 GB on your phone?
http://android-sensor.com/Lenovo_A760/programs/system_software/78-usb-otg-helper-root.html (use Google Translate if you can't read Czech - I know I can't lol)
that link leads to:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.shajul.usbotg
To mount ext partitions automatically, I think you also have to be rooted and run an auto-mount script (or manually via terminal commands). This is not for your phone, but provided as an example and info:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2076327
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Thanks, I want to use my phone as bittorrent client, that why i need to use big files often. I'm root.
I don't have a USB OTG cable...
I have the sd card with ext4 format as primary partition and it's not working.
I think that it's not an easy way to use files biger that 4 gb in this chinese phone.
I also tried to NTFS format and this tool https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.paragon.mounter&hl=es and the phone freezes often...it's not a solution at all.
It's frustating that a chinese tablet supports perfectly ntfs and the s3 exfat, but with this phone, ther¡s no way...i been trying all day long! I gave up.
thank you anyway.
I have a microSD card (I use a OnePlus 7 Pro so while technically it doesn't support microSD, I do have and OTG adapter, and a microsd to USB adapter, and I am able to mount a FAT32 microSD just fine that way - so that's not the issue) which I use with my Linux laptop. For complicated reasons (I installed GTA V with wine on it) I must only use F2FS (not even ext4 worked, even though that's what the SSD in my laptop is formatted as).
Is Android, a system based on a Linux kernel, really incapable of mounting an external SD card (to be clear, I have no intention of using it as adopted storage)? I'm rooted, I have magisk if that's what it takes to mount an F2FS medium.
Lirannl said:
I have a microSD card (I use a OnePlus 7 Pro so while technically it doesn't support microSD, I do have and OTG adapter, and a microsd to USB adapter, and I am able to mount a FAT32 microSD just fine that way - so that's not the issue) which I use with my Linux laptop. For complicated reasons (I installed GTA V with wine on it) I must only use F2FS (not even ext4 worked, even though that's what the SSD in my laptop is formatted as).
Is Android, a system based on a Linux kernel, really incapable of mounting an external SD card (to be clear, I have no intention of using it as adopted storage)? I'm rooted, I have magisk if that's what it takes to mount an F2FS medium.
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In order to mount a f2fs filesystem, the following must be taken into consideration:
1. Android uses modified linux kernel, don't expect it to work like the one on the laptop
2. Your device's kernel must have support for f2fs filesystem, you will have to ask on your device forum whether it supports f2fs. If it doesn't, you will have to compile a custom kernel
3. If your device kernel supports f2fs but is unable to mount it, your kernel might be missing some modules, you will have to search whether somebody compiled it or you will have to compile one yourself and place it in /etc/init.d folder for it to load during device boot
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i cant find unmount or eject anywhere on my pixel 6 in settings to safely remove a usb stick.
the pixel 6 formatted my usb stick to fat 32, it will not read exfat. is there a way to get support on the factory rom for exfat? or do i have to run a custom rom
ok the eject is in the notificaton
OTG technology doesn't need to be unmounted just pull it once the transfer is complete.
I format it with the phone to avoid issues in the future.
Never use only flash drives for backup. Hdds should be used as the primary backup. Hdds are more robust and data can be recovered even if the interface gets fried or corrupted... not easily though. Hdds have much better memory retention than does flash memory.
only way I have seen to mount other formats is to use "exFAT/NTFS by Paragon Software" on the playstore.
There's a plan to merge exFAT into Linux kernel 5 same way NTFS was merged last year. But this doesn't mean Google is interested in adopting it for Android. AFAIK, Samsung is the only Android OEM who ever offered native exFAT support with a kernel module.
Works on both P6/P6P. I can confirm as I have it on both my devices.
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