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I've got a gear 2 and am leaning towards the gear s because of the bigger screen and such..I dont need the stand alone phone function and just want it to use a bluetooth connection like my gear 2. Will everything still work like my gear 2?
kevinthemilkdud said:
I've got a gear 2 and am leaning towards the gear s because of the bigger screen and such..I dont need the stand alone phone function and just want it to use a bluetooth connection like my gear 2. Will everything still work like my gear 2?
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Yes it works the same with bluetooth.
kevinthemilkdud said:
I've got a gear 2 and am leaning towards the gear s because of the bigger screen and such..I dont need the stand alone phone function and just want it to use a bluetooth connection like my gear 2. Will everything still work like my gear 2?
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Big better same apps no camera no IR blaster we have internet we have wifi
I have the OG Gear running Tizen that I bought as a $99 refurb and use it mostly just for notifications...once in a while I will answer a call on it. I have been looking to upgrade to a newer smartwatch. I was all set on the Gear S but decided to take a serious look at the Moto 360 and the LG G Watch R....to be honest I am on the fence with all 3....each one has it's pluses & minuses.......I have a Note 2 running Android 4.3 but plan on upgrading to the Note 4 within the next month or 2 so the Gear S would keep me in the Samsung Ecosystem....and Tizen has been great with battery life (4+ days with average use)...however the Android Wear watches seem to have more & better apps. It seems developers just aren't developing for Tizen.....
I know I am preaching to the quire on this one but based on my usage what would YOU get? I am assuming most will chose the Gear S considering the forum I am in....but I am asking anyway....
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mikespe said:
I have the OG Gear running Tizen that I bought as a $99 refurb and use it mostly just for notifications...once in a while I will answer a call on it. I have been looking to upgrade to a newer smartwatch. I was all set on the Gear S but decided to take a serious look at the Moto 360 and the LG G Watch R....to be honest I am on the fence with all 3....each one has it's pluses & minuses.......I have a Note 2 running Android 4.3 but plan on upgrading to the Note 4 within the next month or 2 so the Gear S would keep me in the Samsung Ecosystem....and Tizen has been great with battery life (4+ days with average use)...however the Android Wear watches seem to have more & better apps. It seems developers just aren't developing for Tizen.....
I know I am preaching to the quire on this one but based on my usage what would YOU get? I am assuming most will chose the Gear S considering the forum I am in....but I am asking anyway....
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I have a Neo, I had the Moto for 2 days.Battery life was unacceptable(could not get through a day). Out of curiosity what Apps do you see for the Wear that are so good? From what I could tell there was little to nothing and honestly using the UI to run any app other than notifications was cumbersome.
My Neo lasts for 4+days of use, gear s seems to be about half of that right now. Not great but liveable. Hopefully it improves with time and updates.
FYI I am a dev and am in the process of setting up my samsung dev account and if I keep the watch I will be writing some apps for it.
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I have a Neo, I had the Moto for 2 days.Battery life was unacceptable(could not get through a day). Out of curiosity what Apps do you see for the Wear that are so good? From what I could tell there was little to nothing and honestly using the UI to run any app other than notifications was cumbersome.
My Neo lasts for 4+days of use, gear s seems to be about half of that right now. Not great but liveable. Hopefully it improves with time and updates.
FYI I am a dev and am in the process of setting up my samsung dev account and if I keep the watch I will be writing some apps for it.
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Can you develop a video folder on the Gear S that is not hidden inside (You can see the video folder when you connect to a computer. ) can we have another browser dolphin mini or something. A calculator app that actually fit our Gear S would be terrific. How about music pandora/spotify something like that.
gottahavit said:
I have a Neo, I had the Moto for 2 days.Battery life was unacceptable(could not get through a day). Out of curiosity what Apps do you see for the Wear that are so good? From what I could tell there was little to nothing and honestly using the UI to run any app other than notifications was cumbersome.
My Neo lasts for 4+days of use, gear s seems to be about half of that right now. Not great but liveable. Hopefully it improves with time and updates.
FYI I am a dev and am in the process of setting up my samsung dev account and if I keep the watch I will be writing some apps for it.
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I haven't seen any apps on the Wear that were no good. What I meant was there seems to be MORE apps for Wear than Tizen....and I don't intend on needed stand alone apps on the watch...but mainly apps that work in unison with my phone. Thants why I am wondering if I need the Gear S?
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I haven't seen any apps on the Wear that were no good. What I meant was there seems to be MORE apps for Wear than Tizen....and I don't intend on needed stand alone apps on the watch...but mainly apps that work in unison with my phone. Thants why I am wondering if I need the Gear S?
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Looks like Wear or Gear 2 will be good. Can't go wrong with either.
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Uniquebarbee said:
Can you develop a video folder on the Gear S that is not hidden inside (You can see the video folder when you connect to a computer. ) can we have another browser dolphin mini or something. A calculator app that actually fit our Gear S would be terrific. How about music pandora/spotify something like that.
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I'm working on and app right now that I will hopefully release as soon as I get my developer accounts set up.(Don't want to spill the beans yet,I will post here when available).
I was reading the video thread, I have not tried yet, but some form of video app should be possible and I might be interested in looking at that next.
Calculator is really not my style, but if I get a bored moment... maybe
Pandora/Spotify or any other proprietary streaming is just not gonna happen(At least not from me).1) it's nearly impossible without help from the companies 2) it's illegal without licensing
Tahde said:
Looks like Wear or Gear 2 will be good. Can't go wrong with either.
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I won't go Gear 2....if I am going to stick with Tizen I might as well get the Gear S....but I am really liking the LG G Watch R and the Moto 360....except for the poor battery life I have been reading...
mikespe said:
I won't go Gear 2....if I am going to stick with Tizen I might as well get the Gear S....but I am really liking the LG G Watch R and the Moto 360....except for the poor battery life I have been reading...
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This is true. I've heard the battery life on the Moto is terrible. But a great device. I forgot all about the LG.
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Tahde said:
This is true. I've heard the battery life on the Moto is terrible. But a great device. I forgot all about the LG.
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It all depends what you want on your watch. personally beyond battery the other killer for me with the Wear was no sound.
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This is true. I've heard the battery life on the Moto is terrible. But a great device. I forgot all about the LG.
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The moto 360 charger cradle looks cool that is all
LG needs to stick to making other things like Bluetooth headphones TV and such
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I'm working on and app right now that I will hopefully release as soon as I get my developer accounts set up.(Don't want to spill the beans yet,I will post here when available).
I was reading the video thread, I have not tried yet, but some form of video app should be possible and I might be interested in looking at that next.
Calculator is really not my style, but if I get a bored moment... maybe
Pandora/Spotify or any other proprietary streaming is just not gonna happen(At least not from me).1) it's nearly impossible without help from the companies 2) it's illegal without licensing
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It would be killer to have a shoutcast capable app.
I've had the moto 360 since launch and now have the gear s and the only thing I miss about the 360 is the facer app that I used to make watch faces with.
I don't miss the crappy battery life, the below par screen, the lag as the processor is piss poor and finally whilst the dock is cool looking its not very handy like the gear s battery dock.
kevinthemilkdud said:
I've got a gear 2 and am leaning towards the gear s because of the bigger screen and such..I dont need the stand alone phone function and just want it to use a bluetooth connection like my gear 2. Will everything still work like my gear 2?
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You won't have camera, but I think everything is better. The screen and the looks are killer...
i too eould like to see those apps for the gear s.
Uniquebarbee said:
Can you develop a video folder on the Gear S that is not hidden inside (You can see the video folder when you connect to a computer. ) can we have another browser dolphin mini or something. A calculator app that actually fit our Gear S would be terrific. How about music pandora/spotify something like that.
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Yes i too would like to see those apps for the gear s. You have to use the stock messenger app for texting to work. And that sucks. Opera just launched their browser but it doesnt support flash so sites like YouTube dont work. Nore can i stream pandora or spotify. However Milk radio does have an app for the gear s. So there is at least somewhat of an option. But yes we need more apps that take advantage of that processer and ram.
Dear readers,
Based on the topic question alone, a lot of people should go with an Android Wear watch. Just being honest and straight forward.
People who are on the fence between the two will be the first to complain when it isn't everything they'd hoped for and I'm not going to sugar coat it--there are issues with this device. From incompatibility to apps. But the joy you see on here about this watch isn't about what it can't do. So if that's going to be or has been a focal point for you with devices in the past, go get Android Wear.
This whole project could go belly up in a week and Samsung could drop it like a hot potato tomorrow. If it never got any more apps or updates tomorrow, would you have been happy you spent $300-400 on it? I would. That's what I knew when I bought it on Day 1, and that's how I still feel.
You just know if this is the right watch for you and if you have any hesitations between it and Android Wear, just go with Android Wear.
I owned an Android Wear watch for two weeks, then it was #ByeFelicia and back to my Galaxy Gear. They may have more apps and direct support for Google's native apps (haha which are now the majority of apps on their stock Android, Nexus phones ... so much for open source). Anyway yeah, they may have more apps. Are they quality apps? Eh. They have to have apps for proximity unlock and those don't even work like the Gear S does out of the box. But whether that is important to you or not is up to you.
If you hesitate about or worry about getting the Gear S, go to BestBuy and just get an Android Wear watch.
jongilluley said:
I've had the moto 360 since launch and now have the gear s and the only thing I miss about the 360 is the facer app that I used to make watch faces with.
I don't miss the crappy battery life, the below par screen, the lag as the processor is piss poor and finally whilst the dock is cool looking its not very handy like the gear s battery dock.
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I can't disagree with you more....I ended up buying the Moto 360 yesterday and I absolutely LOVE it! Battery is EXCELLENT since the update. I charge my phone every night so why not my watch. Sure my Gear 1 got 4+ days on a charge but since I don't stay awake that long anything longer than 18 hours is irrelevant to me. As for processor...what lag do you speak of? Mine FLIES and to be honest the demo of the Gear S I played with was very glitchy & laggy....could be because it was a demo but why take a chance.
Too each is own on what OS one goes with...and for me the only watch I saw that would beat the 360 AND the Gear S is the new Asus ZenWatch....THat watch is HOT.....unfortunately they only had a demo & none for sale yet at Best Buy....but I have until Jan 15 to return my 360 if I choose so I will wait to see the reviews on the Zen
If stand-alone WhatsApp is available for the Gear S, I'd buy this phone/watch in a heartbeat. I've been a huge phablet fan, and the Gear S would be a great for the occasional night out and leaving my huge phone home. As an avid runner, the Gear S functionalities are amazing.
Been pondering using the Gear S for communication via phone/text/WhatsApp exclusively, and switching to a small tablet with LTE for daily use.
Any thoughts?
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If stand-alone WhatsApp is available for the Gear S, I'd buy this phone/watch in a heartbeat. I've been a huge phablet fan, and the Gear S would be a great for the occasional night out and leaving my huge phone home. As an avid runner, the Gear S functionalities are amazing.
Been pondering using the Gear S for communication via phone/text/WhatsApp exclusively, and switching to a small tablet with LTE for daily use.
Any thoughts?
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No whatsapp for Gear s that I am aware of yet - or any other real messaging app (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
I telecommute so rarely leave the house except for errands and I hate bringing my phone with me. I don't need all the fancy stuff for when I'm at the grocery store and when I do need internet etc I'm usually at home. The Gear S is a perfect phone replacement for me.
If I was in a different situation where I was away from home and internet more often I think I'd want either a more traditional phone or tablet as well. The Gear S is a great device and I enjoy using it for internet and such when for example I'm sitting in a waiting room but to me, it's still a companion device that can occasionally act as a standalone device.
Of course your needs and mileage may vary but that's my 2 cents.
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megatherian said:
No whatsapp for Gear s that I am aware of yet - or any other real messaging app (someone correct me if I'm wrong).
I telecommute so rarely leave the house except for errands and I hate bringing my phone with me. I don't need all the fancy stuff for when I'm at the grocery store and when I do need internet etc I'm usually at home. The Gear S is a perfect phone replacement for me.
If I was in a different situation where I was away from home and internet more often I think I'd want either a more traditional phone or tablet as well. The Gear S is a great device and I enjoy using it for internet and such when for example I'm sitting in a waiting room but to me, it's still a companion device that can occasionally act as a standalone device.
Of course your needs and mileage may vary but that's my 2 cents.
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I just downloaded "Notifications for Gear S" from the Samsung App store. It works great to respond Whatsapp messages. I believe it also works with other messengers as well.
willmir said:
I just downloaded "Notifications for Gear S" from the Samsung App store. It works great to respond Whatsapp messages. I believe it also works with other messengers as well.
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paid app?
I don't believe What'sApp is supported right now...
I have a feeling that we are only a couple of months away from a 3G enabled smart watch from a competitor (Huawei, Asus, etc) that will run android wear... And perhaps even be cheaper than the Gear S and offer more apps. Therefore, I think I'm gonna hold out buying one for a few months. Luv the fitness features of the Gear S, but if it's a choice between more apps like WhatsApp over a heart rate monitor, the former would win.... It's nice to know my heart rate, but hey, as long as it's beating, right.....
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I have a feeling that we are only a couple of months away from a 3G enabled smart watch from a competitor (Huawei, Asus, etc) that will run android wear... And perhaps even be cheaper than the Gear S and offer more apps. Therefore, I think I'm gonna hold out buying one for a few months. Luv the fitness features of the Gear S, but if it's a choice between more apps like WhatsApp over a heart rate monitor, the former would win.... It's nice to know my heart rate, but hey, as long as it's beating, right.....
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It would likely be a forked Android Wear, as i think I read somewhere that Google does not intend for Wear to be call-capable on its own.
If so, you'd run into the same issue with Samsung, needing a specific manufacturer's phone to pair with the smartwatch.
Well, who knows....
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It would likely be a forked Android Wear, as i think I read somewhere that Google does not intend for Wear to be call-capable on its own.
If so, you'd run into the same issue with Samsung, needing a specific manufacturer's phone to pair with the smartwatch.
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Android Wear is even more dependent upon a connected phone than the Gear S. It can run separate apps but ... I wouldn't give it too much hope.
LG is rumored to be working on a 3G watch so you never know ... but just have to wait there will always be something following what's already out here and since this is Samsung's 6th watch they probably have a better handle on how to get things up and running than their conpetition.
Could it be possible?
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Could it be possible?
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I too, would like to know the answer on this... I do know that Samsung offered original Gear owners the option to change their stock Android OS to Tizen.
http://www.cnet.com/news/samsung-brings-tizen-to-original-gear-smartwatch/
The two OS's and their hardware are simular in many ways.
I haven't looked, but has anyone ported Android to the Gear 2?
Given that the screen is arguably large enough and that we have all the cell hardware built in, I'd love to see a full android running on on the Gear S.
There is already software that will port and Android app to Tizen. I believe it is $5,000 and mainly for larger developers. I would expect something similar to land in the freeware world sooner rather than later. They pack the apk with an Android runtime to make it work on Tizen. Not sure how well the current porting software works.
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yes.. can't wait to c my gear s ported in android instead of Tizen!!!! pls help!!
ok...so not to bash anyones parade. But why would you want this?
I've had every version of the Gear and having Android on the original was painful. Battery life sucked, tethering was a major PITA and even after rooting it was "cool" but not usable for the average person. I've also gone through the Moto360 ( I had it for 5 days and returned it) and AndroidWear sucks beyond suck with some extra suck on the side. It can tell the heck out of time, its a great and sexy watch, that's it. I've had people watch me working ( I build custom pc's for a living), hear my phone get a text and watch me just glance at my watch and type a quick reply without having to stop what Im doing or reach for my phone. They instantly recognize how useful it is, using either full blown android or android wear...not so much. You dont know how stupid you look saying "ok google" until you see someone else do it.
On the flip side , theres alot of "smart" watches online, mainly from China and such that run android... maybe thats an option? Me personally, I was resistant to Tizen at first. But it works, it works well. Yeah there are some kinks here and there but all in all its ok.
So, I've had my Gear S for a couple of months now and I feel qualified to respond:
1) Why would you want this (Android on the Gear S)?
a) Tizen SUCKS
b) Tons of basic functionality is missing
c) There are very few apps
d) Most apps to obtain standalone functional equivalence to a shipping Samsung Android device are paid apps - these things should have been included (like an on-device app store) - it is a stand-alone capable device, yet Samsung treats it like it is still bluetooth only. This reminds me of the early WinCE/WinMobile days when all apps had to be installed from a host PC.
e) I could continue, but this isn't an "I Hate My Gear S" response. Except for the lack of a front-facing camera, I LOVE the design and innate hardware functionality of the Gear S - much better than the blocky (but full featured) Neptune Pine.
f) F - the grade I would give Samsung on their use of Tizen for the Gear S
2)having Android on the original was painful.
That's why I never purchased the original Gear - without standalone functionality it can only ever be a "companion" device and Android is not designed for that. However, with the Gear S' standalone capability and its much larger screen, Android is a much better fit than Tizen.
3)tethering was a major PITA
"Standalone" - what don't you understand about that?
Gear S is a full phone/data/WiFi device - these old arguments are invalid.
4)AndroidWear
Not interested in Wear - as stated before, Gear S is/can be standalone and Wear is only for bt companion devices.
Something like the Google Glass interface would be better than Wear - but I still prefer full Android (with a customizable launcher for the smaller screen)
Infos3c said:
So, I've had my Gear S for a couple of months now and I feel qualified to respond:
1) Why would you want this (Android on the Gear S)?
a) Tizen SUCKS
b) Tons of basic functionality is missing
c) There are very few apps
d) Most apps to obtain standalone functional equivalence to a shipping Samsung Android device are paid apps - these things should have been included (like an on-device app store) - it is a stand-alone capable device, yet Samsung treats it like it is still bluetooth only. This reminds me of the early WinCE/WinMobile days when all apps had to be installed from a host PC.
e) I could continue, but this isn't an "I Hate My Gear S" response. Except for the lack of a front-facing camera, I LOVE the design and innate hardware functionality of the Gear S - much better than the blocky (but full featured) Neptune Pine.
f) F - the grade I would give Samsung on their use of Tizen for the Gear S
2)having Android on the original was painful.
That's why I never purchased the original Gear - without standalone functionality it can only ever be a "companion" device and Android is not designed for that. However, with the Gear S' standalone capability and its much larger screen, Android is a much better fit than Tizen.
3)tethering was a major PITA
"Standalone" - what don't you understand about that?
Gear S is a full phone/data/WiFi device - these old arguments are invalid.
4)AndroidWear
Not interested in Wear - as stated before, Gear S is/can be standalone and Wear is only for bt companion devices.
Something like the Google Glass interface would be better than Wear - but I still prefer full Android (with a customizable launcher for the smaller screen)
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all being good points, except #3. Do you know how much power or heat is produced by the bluetooth tether that the watch currently uses? Almost none.... I cant say the same about the wifi/3g radio as that thing gets hot no to mention the hit on battery life. That being the case, Im not one to complain that I have to plug in the watch when I go to bed same as all my devices. Seriously, the people that complain about a 5 second task at the end of their day should be taken out back and beat with a hose.
All points considered, I have to agree with you in most part. If Tizen had the same amount of devs behind it that Android does then Tizen would be awesome. Sadly, thats not the case. I am actually working both (thanks to my wifes gear s) and am in the process of getting the original pit file so I can experiment a little. There was one dev (whose name escapes me right now) that wrote up how to roll back the original gear to android, the missing part there is the pit file for our devices. If I can figure that out then the rest "should" be somewhat easy.
Infos3c said:
So, I've had my Gear S for a couple of months now and I feel qualified to respond:
1) Why would you want this (Android on the Gear S)?
a) Tizen SUCKS
b) Tons of basic functionality is missing
c) There are very few apps
d) Most apps to obtain standalone functional equivalence to a shipping Samsung Android device are paid apps - these things should have been included (like an on-device app store) - it is a stand-alone capable device, yet Samsung treats it like it is still bluetooth only. This reminds me of the early WinCE/WinMobile days when all apps had to be installed from a host PC.
e) I could continue, but this isn't an "I Hate My Gear S" response. Except for the lack of a front-facing camera, I LOVE the design and innate hardware functionality of the Gear S - much better than the blocky (but full featured) Neptune Pine.
f) F - the grade I would give Samsung on their use of Tizen for the Gear S
2)having Android on the original was painful.
That's why I never purchased the original Gear - without standalone functionality it can only ever be a "companion" device and Android is not designed for that. However, with the Gear S' standalone capability and its much larger screen, Android is a much better fit than Tizen.
3)tethering was a major PITA
"Standalone" - what don't you understand about that?
Gear S is a full phone/data/WiFi device - these old arguments are invalid.
4)AndroidWear
Not interested in Wear - as stated before, Gear S is/can be standalone and Wear is only for bt companion devices.
Something like the Google Glass interface would be better than Wear - but I still prefer full Android (with a customizable launcher for the smaller screen)
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Hate to break it to you, if Android ever does get ported, you would come back to Tizen.
Android on this you would get 2-4 hours of battery.
Go into your settings on the watch and make your mobile network to always on, turn on mobile data, and turn off bluetooth.
Think of what apps you use, facebook? Bye bye even getting that 2-4 hours.
What kind of screen on time do you use on your phone?
Now think about what you get on your watch without all the apps.
Remember the watch only has 300mAh of battery.
The amount of programming in Tizen with regards to battery are crazy, you wouldn't get that in android.
Very good points on the last few posts, I like choice so I'd like the option of android but I honestly love my gear s on tizen so I'm not fussed.
But an android port thread is something I would follow with great interest as this is where xda is at its best, where the community come together to make something impossible happen.
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There is a software company that has made an apk to tpk program(not out yet) so android apps would be able to be installed using sdb when it happens.
Infos3c said:
So, I've had my Gear S for a couple of months now and I feel qualified to respond:
1) Why would you want this (Android on the Gear S)?
a) Tizen SUCKS
b) Tons of basic functionality is missing
c) There are very few apps
d) Most apps to obtain standalone functional equivalence to a shipping Samsung Android device are paid apps - these things should have been included (like an on-device app store) - it is a stand-alone capable device, yet Samsung treats it like it is still bluetooth only. This reminds me of the early WinCE/WinMobile days when all apps had to be installed from a host PC.
e) I could continue, but this isn't an "I Hate My Gear S" response. Except for the lack of a front-facing camera, I LOVE the design and innate hardware functionality of the Gear S - much better than the blocky (but full featured) Neptune Pine.
f) F - the grade I would give Samsung on their use of Tizen for the Gear S
2)having Android on the original was painful.
That's why I never purchased the original Gear - without standalone functionality it can only ever be a "companion" device and Android is not designed for that. However, with the Gear S' standalone capability and its much larger screen, Android is a much better fit than Tizen.
3)tethering was a major PITA
"Standalone" - what don't you understand about that?
Gear S is a full phone/data/WiFi device - these old arguments are invalid.
4)AndroidWear
Not interested in Wear - as stated before, Gear S is/can be standalone and Wear is only for bt companion devices.
Something like the Google Glass interface would be better than Wear - but I still prefer full Android (with a customizable launcher for the smaller screen)
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I'm definitely agree with you.
I have the original Gear 1 with android since the beginning (now with null rom of course) AND the Gear S since one month, and it's clear for me : i have the opportunity using Amazon (i'm in france) to return the Gear S till end of January and that's what i will probably do in a few days UNLESS there is a good reason to think that something like Null rom could happen to Gear S.
The Gear S plus Full android would be great because it works pretty good on Gear 1 and because Gear S can be used as a standalone device.
But the best would be Gear S + camera (like in the original Gear).
I think that what a lot of people want ( probably unconsciously) is a small smartphone on their wirst, that's why i presume that the first Apple watch itself wil be desapointing for many people.
Infos3c said:
So, I've had my Gear S for a couple of months now and I feel qualified to respond:
1) Why would you want this (Android on the Gear S)?
a) Tizen SUCKS
b) Tons of basic functionality is missing
c) There are very few apps
d) Most apps to obtain standalone functional equivalence to a shipping Samsung Android device are paid apps - these things should have been included (like an on-device app store) - it is a stand-alone capable device, yet Samsung treats it like it is still bluetooth only. This reminds me of the early WinCE/WinMobile days when all apps had to be installed from a host PC.
e) I could continue, but this isn't an "I Hate My Gear S" response. Except for the lack of a front-facing camera, I LOVE the design and innate hardware functionality of the Gear S - much better than the blocky (but full featured) Neptune Pine.
f) F - the grade I would give Samsung on their use of Tizen for the Gear S
2)having Android on the original was painful.
That's why I never purchased the original Gear - without standalone functionality it can only ever be a "companion" device and Android is not designed for that. However, with the Gear S' standalone capability and its much larger screen, Android is a much better fit than Tizen.
3)tethering was a major PITA
"Standalone" - what don't you understand about that?
Gear S is a full phone/data/WiFi device - these old arguments are invalid.
4)AndroidWear
Not interested in Wear - as stated before, Gear S is/can be standalone and Wear is only for bt companion devices.
Something like the Google Glass interface would be better than Wear - but I still prefer full Android (with a customizable launcher for the smaller screen)
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I agree and would love to see a slimmed down android on this device. The battery issue does pose a serious concern though (why I said 'slimmed down')
I am bitterly disapointed with my Gear S, unsure if all my flack should be flung at Tizen or Samsung but fact is, I am getting virtually no use from my Gear S
I have a Tab S 10.5 LTE which it does not connect to, so using it standalone with no features.
I should not have to use a different device in order to get more features from my watch, that aint happening as I have the bets tablet on the market so not going lower down in the spec
As soon as some clever cat puts Aindroid on their Gear S I will be first in line to do mine!!!
I cant even add an email account to my watch as it tries to sync....
So SMS and phone that whats I am paying 24 X £21, so thank you Samsung, not!!
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I am bitterly disapointed with my Gear S, unsure if all my flack should be flung at Tizen or Samsung but fact is, I am getting virtually no use from my Gear S
I have a Tab S 10.5 LTE which it does not connect to, so using it standalone with no features.
I should not have to use a different device in order to get more features from my watch, that aint happening as I have the bets tablet on the market so not going lower down in the spec
As soon as some clever cat puts Aindroid on their Gear S I will be first in line to do mine!!!
I cant even add an email account to my watch as it tries to sync....
So SMS and phone that whats I am paying 24 X £21, so thank you Samsung, not!!
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ok.... um, this is your own fault. The watch is meant to pair to a phone, A PHONE. A small device that is kept in your purse or back pocket, not a 10" tablet. There really is nothing wrong with the watch. It works as advertised, with the devices it was advertised for. Honestly people its a watch, they sold it as a WATCH. There was no bait and switch, they didnt say it was a phone and then snuck a watch into the box. It was advertised as Tizen not Android.
This is the same thing that happens to every single smart watch that comes out and all the haters come out of the woodwork.
Oh its not a wrist size Galaxy S6 with a quadcore processor, 128gb of memory, all my android apps, a full blown phone and a week of battery life?! I hate it! So Im gonna buy it anyway and then complain about why it doesnt do the things that nobody ever said it would do. I hate to be the one to break it to everyone, but Android isnt everything. Years ago, the big dog on the block was PalmOS then Blackberry, hell even Windows Phones. Now its down to iOS, Android and the slowly growing TIzen while nobody even remembers the older OS's. Google in all is might and glory will most likely suffer the same fate as EVERY other tech giant. They have great products, huge server farms and an ever growing massive user base but it will come to a point where there will be too much to maintain while still being innovative AND turning a profit. So they either become SkyNet or just fade into the background like HP and soon Microsoft. Theres a ton of no name chinese watches on eBay that run full blown Android, mind you the quality is complete crap since their isnt a big company like Samsung or Apple behind it, but it runs full blown Android.
I can speak from experience. I have had every single smart watch you can possibly have. From the white label chinese crap running Android to the original Gear->Gear 2 Neo->Gear 2 ->LG G Watch->Moto 360 and now the Gear S. Full blown Android is too much for a watch, so then people recommend a slimmed down version of Android so you get better battery life and just the basics, you know like the phone,emails & text,music player, a web browser and some other stuff... you know, the basics, oh wait... isnt that what Tizen is? Or go to Android Wear, thats a whole other can of worms. When I had the Moto 360, I thought "damn, this is a nice WATCH. look at all those freakin awesome watch faces" and thats it, thats all it does. It tells the hell out of time, and some very very limited interactions with notifications. If I could justify the cost of the Moto 360 and the fact that it was JUST a watch then sure, but on eBay it went. I was even happy with the Gear 2 Neo, the only reason I went to the the standard Gear 2 is because the Neo is too light and feels a bit weird on the wrist and from the Gear 2 to the S, well curved screen and a damn sim card... nuff said.
You dont like Tizen? Then do what I did, learn some code, head over to developer.samsung.com/gear and get to work. There is a HUGE potential for Tizen, not just oh screw it...this is too hard. Someone please put weeks of work into it for no apparent reason and port Android over but it better be the latest version, and my apps better run perfectly on it oh and battery life better be awesome too!
This watch is well worth the money IMHO. If I dont have to pull my phone out of my pocket 10 times per day just to glance at an email or text or dont hear my phone across the house when it rings and the watch lets me know theres a call. Hell, just the fact that my phone stays in my bag and I can use the watch to control my music is well worth it for me. The S-health features (mine are disabled) are pretty cool for the fitness buffs and the dev's are slowly but surely coming aboard.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL, DO NOT GET OFFENDED, THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. These are valid fact presented to all those people who feel that Android should be ported over to a device that was never really meant to do it....
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ok.... um, this is your own fault. The watch is meant to pair to a phone, A PHONE. A small device that is kept in your purse or back pocket, not a 10" tablet. There really is nothing wrong with the watch. It works as advertised, with the devices it was advertised for. Honestly people its a watch, they sold it as a WATCH. There was no bait and switch, they didnt say it was a phone and then snuck a watch into the box. It was advertised as Tizen not Android.
This is the same thing that happens to every single smart watch that comes out and all the haters come out of the woodwork.
Oh its not a wrist size Galaxy S6 with a quadcore processor, 128gb of memory, all my android apps, a full blown phone and a week of battery life?! I hate it! So Im gonna buy it anyway and then complain about why it doesnt do the things that nobody ever said it would do. I hate to be the one to break it to everyone, but Android isnt everything. Years ago, the big dog on the block was PalmOS then Blackberry, hell even Windows Phones. Now its down to iOS, Android and the slowly growing TIzen while nobody even remembers the older OS's. Google in all is might and glory will most likely suffer the same fate as EVERY other tech giant. They have great products, huge server farms and an ever growing massive user base but it will come to a point where there will be too much to maintain while still being innovative AND turning a profit. So they either become SkyNet or just fade into the background like HP and soon Microsoft. Theres a ton of no name chinese watches on eBay that run full blown Android, mind you the quality is complete crap since their isnt a big company like Samsung or Apple behind it, but it runs full blown Android.
I can speak from experience. I have had every single smart watch you can possibly have. From the white label chinese crap running Android to the original Gear->Gear 2 Neo->Gear 2 ->LG G Watch->Moto 360 and now the Gear S. Full blown Android is too much for a watch, so then people recommend a slimmed down version of Android so you get better battery life and just the basics, you know like the phone,emails & text,music player, a web browser and some other stuff... you know, the basics, oh wait... isnt that what Tizen is? Or go to Android Wear, thats a whole other can of worms. When I had the Moto 360, I thought "damn, this is a nice WATCH. look at all those freakin awesome watch faces" and thats it, thats all it does. It tells the hell out of time, and some very very limited interactions with notifications. If I could justify the cost of the Moto 360 and the fact that it was JUST a watch then sure, but on eBay it went. I was even happy with the Gear 2 Neo, the only reason I went to the the standard Gear 2 is because the Neo is too light and feels a bit weird on the wrist and from the Gear 2 to the S, well curved screen and a damn sim card... nuff said.
You dont like Tizen? Then do what I did, learn some code, head over to developer.samsung.com/gear and get to work. There is a HUGE potential for Tizen, not just oh screw it...this is too hard. Someone please put weeks of work into it for no apparent reason and port Android over but it better be the latest version, and my apps better run perfectly on it oh and battery life better be awesome too!
This watch is well worth the money IMHO. If I dont have to pull my phone out of my pocket 10 times per day just to glance at an email or text or dont hear my phone across the house when it rings and the watch lets me know theres a call. Hell, just the fact that my phone stays in my bag and I can use the watch to control my music is well worth it for me. The S-health features (mine are disabled) are pretty cool for the fitness buffs and the dev's are slowly but surely coming aboard.
Take what I say with a grain of salt, DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONAL, DO NOT GET OFFENDED, THIS IS NOT AN ATTACK IN ANY SHAPE OR FORM. These are valid fact presented to all those people who feel that Android should be ported over to a device that was never really meant to do it....
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Totally agree with @cipherswitch. Enough wining people. You knew what you were buying. It is not supposed to be the Holy Grail, is it just the (by far) most advanced smart watch out there. Of course it is not perfect. But the 3G functionality as well as the GORGEOUS curved screen make this thing a one of a kind smart watch. It is everything Aplle fans would hope the Apple Watch would be and maybe more.
I am an Apple fan, mind you. I am using the Gear S as standalone mainly and sometimes with my iPhone 6+. If my main phone was an Android the total experience would be perfect.
One more thing: Having owned the Gear 1 with almost every OS variation. Tizen, stock Android, almost every single version of NUll ROM I can personally guarantee that a fully blown Android OS is just wrong for a smart watch. It is the triumph of gadgetry over practicality.
Battery life with Android was a total joke and one can only imagine what would happen when the Gear S (running Android) was used standalone. I bet you would be able to literally see the battery meter dropping.
Long story short: Do your homework before buying a piece of (fairly) new tech. Accept the fact that we are being early adopters. Try to get the most out of your Gears S and if you still do not like it, just get rid of it.
Ironically just posted in the other forum. Agree and as to the write your own apps. Is what i did. Html5 and javascript. Looked at examples from others an adapted. Now it beats my gear fit hands down.
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I think that what a lot of people want ( probably unconsciously) is a small smartphone on their wirst, that's why i presume that the first Apple watch itself wil be desapointing for many people.
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thats exactly what I consciously wanted and thats effectively (ok almost effectively) what i now have
I need sm-n750v firmware. If someone get me that. I will take the challenge to get android working on the gear. It might take me a few weeks to get the tweaks worked out. But it will be working. Null and I worked side by side on the first. Gear. And I sure won't give up on the gear s
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I need sm-n750v firmware. If someone get me that. I will take the challenge to get android working on the gear. It might take me a few weeks to get the tweaks worked out. But it will be working. Null and I worked side by side on the first. Gear. And I sure won't give up on the gear s
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Um. Huh? Im sure you mean the R750V, in which case the SM-R750VZWAVZW. This is the Verizon wireless variant, no firmware download available. Nor is there one for the Sprint variant. Not as of right now anyways. If there was I'd be all over it like white on rice In all honestly, and not bashing Null as I have great respect for all that bio-digital jazz that was put out with that ROM and even personally used it. Im sure it was alot easier to go back to Android on a watch that started out as Android. Gear 2 and forward, Qualcomm has done a very very good job with their bootloader security, dont see it being done. But thats just my opinion, I may be horribly wrong.
There is (or will be) the official (custom) firmware Android Wear on the watch Samsung Gear S, which is now the operating system Tizen?
GorlovSergei said:
There is (or will be) the official (custom) firmware Android Wear on the watch Samsung Gear S, which is now the operating system Tizen?
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That wouldn't make sense because Android Wear does not support a standalone watch with its own SIM card and direct operation functionality.
GorlovSergei said:
There is (or will be) the official (custom) firmware Android Wear on the watch Samsung Gear S, which is now the operating system Tizen?
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So your planning a port?
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There is (or will be) the official (custom) firmware Android Wear on the watch Samsung Gear S, which is now the operating system Tizen?
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This is a completely different paradigm for a smart watch from android wear. You would lose so much functionality even if someone made it work.
I really doubt anyone will waste time trying to do it.
If you want android wear(no phone, no speaker, no standalone data, terrible battery life) i suggest buying an android wear phone. The only thing from android wear that would be good to port is Google Now.
What I'd really want is full android rather than android wear, even if it meant poor battery life. I'd just buy a few more of the charging cradle / portable chargers.
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What I'd really want is full android rather than android wear, even if it meant poor battery life. I'd just buy a few more of the charging cradle / portable chargers.
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There are lots of full Android smart watches, you can find them on Ebay and a number of reviews on Youtube. Big square things made in China with full cell phones inside. Most cost far less than the Gear S
IMO we don't want full android on any watches. We have had that on the MOTOACTV back in time and battery life was horrible.
What we need is more updates from samsung to give us more features as some of the basic functions such as adding tasks is still not present.
We also need MORE quality watchfaces from them.
We need root with several developers making apps or more updates to make the watch more functional.
ronaldheld said:
We need root with several developers making apps or more updates to make the watch more functional.
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Why do we need root?
schettj said:
Why do we need root?
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Agreed, root would have only one real purpose and that's to put android on the watch, which I also believe would not be ideal.
We need Samsung to push for support from big name app makers like Netflix, Pandora, etc...
To the comment on the MotoActv, I actually have this watch and love it as a bike computer. Never quite cared for it as a watch.
GreenBot said:
IMO we don't want full android on any watches. We have had that on the MOTOACTV back in time and battery life was horrible.
What we need is more updates from samsung to give us more features as some of the basic functions such as adding tasks is still not present.
We also need MORE quality watchfaces from them.
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We clearly do not all want the same things
When the next version of the Gear S comes out, I personally would love having full Android on my current Gear S, so I can have certain apps on it. I already know some of them will never be ported to Tizen because they are not super popular.
Someone posted a root in this thread BTW.
AT&T and T mobile Gear S have root now
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Agreed, root would have only one real purpose and that's to put android on the watch, which I also believe would not be ideal.
We need Samsung to push for support from big name app makers like Netflix, Pandora, etc...
To the comment on the MotoActv, I actually have this watch and love it as a bike computer. Never quite cared for it as a watch.
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Please explain why you think full Android would not be ideal? You do understand you can run any launcher/skin on top of full Android right? Are you thinking battery life will be worse with "full Android". It's not. I'm running a Gear 1 will full Android(Null) and get 2.5 days battery life.
This misconception that full Android on a watch is not ideal is nonsense... Would you think "full Android" on your smartphone is not ideal??? The Gear S screen size is not much smaller than some of the first Android phones that came out a couple years ago. There is not much difference. Running "full Android" on a "watch" is ideal. Very ideal. Have you ever heard of Tasker?
Also I can only imagine all the people who got a Gear S immediately thinking of all the apps their going to install.... NOT!
Samsung really did a dis-service to it's customers by thinking they could compete with Android, iOS and Windows Phone. There is not room for a 4th OS. Barely room for a 3rd. I'll be the first to admit their hardware is some of the best. But without great software it's just that. Hardware...
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Please explain why you think full Android would not be ideal? You do understand you can run any launcher/skin on top of full Android right? Are you thinking battery life will be worse with "full Android". It's not. I'm running a Gear 1 will full Android(Null) and get 2.5 days battery life.
This misconception that full Android on a watch is not ideal is nonsense... Would you think "full Android" on your smartphone is not ideal??? The Gear S screen size is not much smaller than some of the first Android phones that came out a couple years ago. There is not much difference. Running "full Android" on a "watch" is ideal. Very ideal. Have you ever heard of Tasker?
Also I can only imagine all the people who got a Gear S immediately thinking of all the apps their going to install.... NOT!
Samsung really did a dis-service to it's customers by thinking they could compete with Android, iOS and Windows Phone. There is not room for a 4th OS. Barely room for a 3rd. I'll be the first to admit their hardware is some of the best. But without great software it's just that. Hardware...
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And I get 4.5 days on my neo running tizen. I get 2 full days on gear S running tizen. My wife upgraded her gear 1 from android to tizen and went from 2 days to 4 days. Translated.... NOT IDEAL.
Look at the battery life issues on the android wear and that's not even full android.
Do I wish there were more apps? Of course but do I want android especially something cobbled from aosp that was never designed for a watch with a tiny battery no.
If you've seen my other posts you know I'm a Dev and I am not very happy with how Samsung handles it's devs and app market, but that is not an issue with tizen it's an issue with the company.
Biggest downside is tizen is not open source.
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And I get 4.5 days on my neo running tizen. I get 2 full days on gear S running tizen. My wife upgraded her gear 1 from android to tizen and went from 2 days to 4 days. Translated.... NOT IDEAL.
Look at the battery life issues on the android wear and that's not even full android.
Do I wish there were more apps? Of course but do I want android especially something cobbled from aosp that was never designed for a watch with a tiny battery no.
If you've seen my other posts you know I'm a Dev and I am not very happy with how Samsung handles it's devs and app market, but that is not an issue with tizen it's an issue with the company.
Biggest downside is tizen is not open source.
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Respectfully, Enjoy that hardware that let's you look at a screen with no possibility of application growth for an extra couple days... I personally would lose a day or so of battery life for the option of being able to do whatever I want on my watch. To each is own. People currently don't seem to have a problem charging their smartphones daily. I currently have no problem charging my "Smartwatch"... every other day.
Designing an OS from scratch with battery life in mind(not sure that was their intention) is great and all but at the very least give the customers the option of running the OS that is most supported. IMHO.
Also as a Dev don't you think if Tizen were to take off that it would grow and incorporate many more services and functions which would then decrease battery life? Yeah now as it stands, Tizen is not much more sophisticated than an alarm clock so battery life is great... Heck there are basic digital watches out there that do almost as much as Tizen and probably will last months on their battery...
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GreenBot said:
IMO we don't want full android on any watches. We have had that on the MOTOACTV back in time and battery life was horrible.
What we need is more updates from samsung to give us more features as some of the basic functions such as adding tasks is still not present.
We also need MORE quality watchfaces from them.
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I second that!! The Samsung faces are the only ones that you can wake up to without setting up wake to last screen. I also hate that you can't add tasks, or really see notifications for them without additional software. So far I am hating Tizen. Or at least the functionality of the Gear S without good apps to make up for it.
Also: I would install a custom ROM running Android Wear or Android on this Gear S in a heart beat. Or even just something to make up for where the Gear S falls short. Initially, the Gear S has many things I like, but after using it for a week or two now I realize how much it lacks because of it being Tizen and not having the Google integration. It also just seems to really need an update to fix stupid little nuances.
I would think the gear would benefit from full android. The lack of tizin development is going to kill the gear s. I have the gear 1, and like the idea of side loading apps from the pc. The only thing that killed it was the lack of a 3g connection. Samsung has not allowed good app development from thoughs who are will to make this device work.
Would Tizen be more acceptable with enough apps?
I got the Gear S and am very disappointed with Tizen. the hardware on the Gear S is great, and some apps are great, but S Voice is ****ing useless when you compare it to Google Now. The sole reason i'd want to root this device and get a custom ROM running Android (full blow, or Wear) is for Google Now.
The other big reason is Google Maps. HERE is horrible in comparison.
I agree with others that are saying Samsung has done it's users wrong trying to compete with Android. I'd swap my Gear S for an Android wear device in a heartbeat.
does anyone think it's possible to run Google Now on Tizen? or Google Maps?
Having the Gear 1 and the Gear S there is absolutely no doubt that Tizen is a complete nightmare. I just don't understand the ridiculous Samsung's strategy, making good devices but awfull (not always but often) softwares...
Samung has only now 10 or 11 apps for the original Gear with android... And stupid apps for the Gear S with Tizen... Complete nonsense... I will probably return my Gear S to Amazon, because of this absurd policy... unless someone manage to put full android on Gear s...
If so, will it still track your progress and allow item collection etc. for the base? WITHOUT having to take your phone with you?
I know you can put it on an apple watch, but sadly can't find anything about samsung wearables -.-.
I'd likely be getting the Zombies, Run Couch to 5k as well as the full game. I'd be using a Samsung Gear Fit II (Pro) with the gear fit app on an iphone. (I know the old samsung Gear Fit II didn't allow this cross compatibility but the new one apparently does).
Thanks for your help!
I do not see any listings in the gear app store for ANY apps with zombie in the name. Hope that helps you.
Good luck,
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If so, will it still track your progress and allow item collection etc. for the base? WITHOUT having to take your phone with you?
I know you can put it on an apple watch, but sadly can't find anything about samsung wearables -.-.
I'd likely be getting the Zombies, Run Couch to 5k as well as the full game. I'd be using a Samsung Gear Fit II (Pro) with the gear fit app on an iphone. (I know the old samsung Gear Fit II didn't allow this cross compatibility but the new one apparently does).
Thanks for your help!
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notaliberal said:
I do not see any listings in the gear app store for ANY apps with zombie in the name. Hope that helps you.
Good luck,
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Thank you very much for the help, and the time.