I used to have a SM-9005 In Pink on TMO, however my dog decided it would be a good thing to pee on (thus causing acidic corrosion). The phone had the 10K MAH Battery from Zerolemon,
The N9005 itself worked, and did not...its mainboard became corroded where the display connector is and went all matrixy. The battery has 1 corroded strip, one is half corroded, and the rest are fine. I inserted it into the 900P, and it works fine. However battery drain seems to be much...faster...and phone turned off three times by itself. When I turned it on however the battery % went...UP!
Is there an app that will allow me to see how much MAH is still working in the battery? I would imagine there are dead portions & I am pretty sure NFC is not usable anymore.
After flashing a rom away from stock turning off seems to not be an issue and all I know is its been running 3943mv...
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I used to have a SM-9005 In Pink on TMO, however my dog decided it would be a good thing to pee on (thus causing acidic corrosion). The phone had the 10K MAH Battery from Zerolemon,
The N9005 itself worked, and did not...its mainboard became corroded where the display connector is and went all matrixy. The battery has 1 corroded strip, one is half corroded, and the rest are fine. I inserted it into the 900P, and it works fine. However battery drain seems to be much...faster...and phone turned off three times by itself. When I turned it on however the battery % went...UP!
Is there an app that will allow me to see how much MAH is still working in the battery? I would imagine there are dead portions & I am pretty sure NFC is not usable anymore.
After flashing a rom away from stock turning off seems to not be an issue and all I know is its been running 3943mv...
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I have the feeling that you're playing with fire here.
Using a corroded battery is never a good idea. You have already said that the contacts are corroded and you've seen degraded battery performance and, quite frankly, erratic behavior from the battery.
Continuing to use this battery because it still technically "works" would be, in my opinion, irresponsible. Best-case the battery continues to degrade over time (as all batteries do). Worst-case would be a fried phone and/or property damage.
In my opinion, risking the life of a $600 smartphone isn't worth it for a battery that you can buy for $15 on Amazon.
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I have the feeling that you're playing with fire here.
Using a corroded battery is never a good idea. You have already said that the contacts are corroded and you've seen degraded battery performance and, quite frankly, erratic behavior from the battery.
Continuing to use this battery because it still technically "works" would be, in my opinion, irresponsible. Best-case the battery continues to degrade over time (as all batteries do). Worst-case would be a fried phone and/or property damage.
In my opinion, risking the life of a $600 smartphone isn't worth it for a battery that you can buy for $15 on Amazon.
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Yeah,
It just started to randomly turn phone off even on normal rom so I switched it back out for stock battery.
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Seems like I have nothing but problems ever since I slapped on there the acesoft 2010mah battery. At 1st I thought it was Quicksense, but my girlfriend is running stock and her phone has frozen up on her, battery goes to 0 when there is still some left. Not sure but seems like these batteries really suck!
I want some serious battery life, any recommendation?
Is it possible I get 2 bad batteries? What seemed weird about the batteries when I got them is that they were fully charge. Every battery I bought has had either a partial charge or no charge.
It could be a driver issue with the phone and battery. Try another company since each likes to tinker with their batteries and that can lead to instability.
Battery needs drivers?
Another thing I notice also, GPS and Bluetooth dont work well when they are both in use. Bluetooth says its pair when its not and the GPS freezes and acts funny.
I'll try and see about getting a different brand.
Can anyone recommend "GOOD" battery with long battery life?
I was thinking maybe this
http://www.amazon.com/2000mah-Premi...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327565898&sr=1-18
I would recomend staying away from any aftermarket batteries. Everyone here seems to like the ankor Battery. weird that the andida looks the same. Oh and yes batteries require drivers.
Have you tried clearing the battery cache? I have read this helps with new non OEM batteries. I would go with ankor if you must seems to be the battery of choice. Imo if an aftermarket battery isn't giving you at least 3-4 extra hours it ain't worth it. Plus there's always the risk of it being a pos and damaging your hardware. And I'm sure you void any and all warranties doing so.
Hope this helps gl
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Can anyone recommend "GOOD" battery with long battery life?
I was thinking maybe this
http://www.amazon.com/2000mah-Premi...?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1327565898&sr=1-18
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I got the anker 1800mah batteries, I should have gotten the 1900.. but they have better battery life over stock(even the 1800). I will say this though, you have to be careful with them, the little plastic dividers between the charging terminals can break, and I blame the crappy ac charger that anker makes that came with my batteries(the charging tabs move so you can charge different batteries on it).
If I could do it over, I would have gotten two 1900mah, been a little more careful with them, stopped using the stock battery, and gotten a better quality ac charging dock.
Hi fellow l9'ers
I purchased an OEM battery to have as a spare battery since I'm usually out of battery when I most need it but forget to bring it or charge it. After having so-so experiences with aftermarket extended batteries on other phones I decided that if I wanted good results on the cheap I need to make it myself. Still testing it out but initial impressions are good.
BTW.. yes it looks horrendous and I do know that it could blow up, ruin my phone, cause cancer and start WW3.... but thanks for your concern.
Source of inspiration. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1800177&highlight=battery+mod
9/4/13 Update.... after using it on a daily basis and swiping back and forth between the oem battery and my jerry-rigged battery I can say its definitely working. The performance has gotten constant and I did a battery drain comparison between the 2 using the app called FAST DISCHARGE. All option selected and cpu set to full load with temp set to unlimited. I did remove two of the jumpers and only left positive and negative connected.
OEM BATTERY........... 2hr 5min 13 sec
JERRY-RIGGED BATT..........3hr 35min 21sec
I suspect that it doesn't last double since both circuits are being powered when charged...... the first battery to be fully charged send a signal to the charger to shut off hence the lack of full power.
Over all for $10 bucks I'm not complaining.
How does the battery stay in place? double side tape?
Also, what is the battery life on this uhmmmm... phone?
How is it?
I am very interested in trying this if your results are good...How has your battery life been affected? Has it doubled? Do you use a case that works with the new "power bulge"?
I did that to my old i897 captivate. you only need the positive and negative connected. you're connecting the two circuit boards together which may cause problems. i would remove that one. Unless you can find a battery charger that supplies more amperage you most likely will never get that battery fully charged no matter what the android meter says.
Ok, after a few days of heavy usage I have come across sporadic performance results. In a few occasions it would out last the original battery under the same usage and other times it would perform as a stock battery. I plan on purchasing an external charger since I suspect that both batteries are not fully being charged as the previous post mentions. I will also disassemble the second battery and take the circuit out of the equation. So far I am pleased with it's performance even though it's not consistent.
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Ok, after a few days of heavy usage I have come across sporadic performance results. In a few occasions it would out last the original battery under the same usage and other times it would perform as a stock battery. I plan on purchasing an external charger since I suspect that both batteries are not fully being charged as the previous post mentions. I will also disassemble the second battery and take the circuit out of the equation. So far I am pleased with it's performance even though it's not consistent.
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Cool. i work in batteries so i didnt check out dudes guide other than his soldering was good lol. essentially all you're doing is connecting the batteries in parallel. since both batteries have a circuit board that controls low voltage and temperature safety, you only need to use one as the battery will still be a 3.6v cell just double the capacity. stock LG charger shipped w/ L9 outputs .85 amps so if you could find one that did 1.5amps or 1500mah you'd be in good shape.
Like @Meda808 said,you only need to connect two pins... + and -.You will also need stronger charger but... There is a circuit in a phone which controls power to battery(I think that that's why is one of the two middle contacts on battery) so... Maybe with external charger?
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Well, good feature, but on the other hand smartphone becomes fat, and if I look on way I use my phone, I won't do DIY like this.
That looks interesting, but I wouldn't be able to get over the hump.
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Small update......
So far so good, no major issues. I purchased the anker standalone charger and it charges the battery but it takes way to long(10-15hrs) So I just charge it in the phone now. The battery lasts me a full day under heavy heavy usage. Prior to this by 2-3pm it was out of juice.
I have noticed that it has become less sporadic the more I use it.
Iheartradio 4-6hrs a day, dish anywhere 2-3hrs a day, calls:30-1hr. This is with WiF(thanks Home Depot), data and Bluetooth(LG Tone)on for most of the day.../.. I'm happy I did it.
I unplug at 4:45am and plug it in by 8-9pm with about 20-30% left.
I have not modified the connection yet so I suspect that it still might not be fully charged even with the aftermarket charger.
About the hump..... I got use to it quiker than I thought.
hahaha ill give ya props for ingenuity
9/4/13 Update.... after using it on a daily basis and swiping back and forth between the oem battery and my jerry-rigged battery I can say its definitely working. The performance has gotten constant and I did a battery drain comparison between the 2 using the app called FAST DISCHARGE. All option selected and cpu set to full load with temp set to unlimited. I did remove two of the jumpers and only left positive and negative connected.
OEM BATTERY........... 2hr 5min 13 sec
JERRY-RIGGED BATT..........3hr 35min 21sec
I suspect that it doesn't last double since both circuits are being powered when charged...... the first battery to be fully charged send a signal to the charger to shut off hence the lack of full power.
Over all for $10 bucks I'm not complaining.
When I got my G5 (Verizon VS987) I also got a spare battery and charging dock as a promotional extra.
The charging dock is connected to the USB port on my PC. When I swap batteries I put the discharged one in the charging dock and remove it when the lights indicate it's fully charged. If I don't swap batteries for a few days I'll stick it back into the charging dock for the few minutes it takes to bring it back to full charge.
Now I notice one battery is swollen, as if from charging too fast or ???
It still fits into the phone with some difficulty but it does fit.
I'm wondering if I should discard it or keep using it, wondering if it can damage the phone?
Any thoughts?
Do not use the swollen battery any more. Do not toss it in regular trash either - find an authorized battery recycling operation in your area. If you can't locate one immediately, store the battery in a dry, cool spot with electrical tape over the contacts until you can dispose of it properly. Continued use may cause the battery to fail and catch fire and/or explode.
Batteries can swell due to overcharging, but also wear and tear aging with frequent full charge cycles. If you've been using the battery daily for about a year it is not uncommon for it to show such signs of wear. Failure rates are also more common with cheaper, off-brand batteries that aren't made as well to begin with. Buy a replacement battery and make sure it is OEM quality.
I've had this happen once before with a Motorola V3 battery so you see how long ago that was!
I believe it's the USB port allowing charging at a faster rate than the factory charger? Two requirements, the charge must be from a USB port and the battery must be very discharged.
The swollen battery is genuine LG, sent direct from LG, whatever quality that might be. Both the swollen Motorola batteries continued to work just fine in the V3, the LG battery works but is VERY difficult to remove and is now out of the phone forever.
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I've had this happen once before with a Motorola V3 battery so you see how long ago that was!
I believe it's the USB port allowing charging at a faster rate than the factory charger? Two requirements, the charge must be from a USB port and the battery must be very discharged.
The swollen battery is genuine LG, sent direct from LG, whatever quality that might be. Both the swollen Motorola batteries continued to work just fine in the V3, the LG battery works but is VERY difficult to remove and is now out of the phone forever.
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It's not a problem of faster charging, but overcharging. The longer and more often a battery is charged 100% and left there, the quicker it wears out. If the battery is about a year old with daily use like this, a bit of swelling isn't unexpected.
There is no immediate threat from swelling but it is the start of failure if allowed to continue use. You surely don't want it expanding inside the phone from heat until it gets stuck and/or cause GPS, volume or other contacts to mess up by expanding the frame, etc.
Batteries aren't too expensive so order another one.
Not sure I agree, evidence seems to point to heat as the culprit since the battery wasn't charged that often.
Anyway, OEM batteries are available on eBay for under $12 and one should arrive Monday.
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Not sure I agree, evidence seems to point to heat as the culprit since the battery wasn't charged that often.
Anyway, OEM batteries are available on eBay for under $12 and one should arrive Monday.
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I wonder if those are legit LG made.
Yup, why wouldn't it be? It's a unique battery for an obsolete phone, everyone that has any quantity is dumping them. The one I'm getting is from an "overstock" dealer.
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Yup, why wouldn't it be? It's a unique battery for an obsolete phone, everyone that has any quantity is dumping them. The one I'm getting is from an "overstock" dealer.
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Yeah I was just curious. Will buy few myself that's not a bad deal at all. Yeah I can't blame people, this will be my last LG phone. Great specs and price, but build quality trash.
Sad part I know 3 people with LG V20 who are also having build quality issues. Speaker going on all of them and this is a common issue.
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Yeah I was just curious. Will buy few myself that's not a bad deal at all. Yeah I can't blame people, this will be my last LG phone. Great specs and price, but build quality trash.
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I guess I've been lucky, I've had very few problems. I really miss an unlocked bootloader and a rooted phone with a custom ROM but this seems to do the job other than about 90% of the "wonderful" features being stuff I don't want, don't use and would delete if the phone was rooted..
I really wanted the removable battery and the SD card, I think LG is my only option for both isn't it?
I have no idea what (or IF) my next phone will be, maybe I'll drag out my old Motorola V3 and use it? <G>
Seriously, no kidding, it's been all downhill since my BlackBerry Bold.
I bought two spares batteries, one from Ebay with the external charge case that looks genuine but the battery lasts about 20-25% less than the original battery and a second one from Aliexpress that lasts half the time of the original battery. The one from Ebay ways the same as the original, the one from Aliexpress is lighter.
On both the batteries the green heatshrink is not exactly the same color as the original one.
So I think none of those batteries you can buy from those sites will have the same capacity as a original battery from a official reseller.
The one I got seems to be OEM, I suspect the ones you got were just old, I can't imagine anyone making an aftermarket battery for such a low sales volume phone.
I believe any battery you get will be 3 - 4 years old before you get it, that may be why the one I got took almost 40 hours to reach full charge.
So far it seems it will last as long as the original but who knows?
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You have some abnormal batteries, cables, and/or chargers...
No, all working as they should.
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Maybe there's something, like a chip, that detects battery degradation. And when it reaches a certain point, a sustained battery incorrectedness(word?)sets it off into the infamous ir-repairable Boot Loop of Death....i wish i could add a sound effect of that last sentence echoing to signify the fear and importance to avoid this "unknown why" issue. This bugs me that there isn't an answer for it(at least that i know of) and Google seems to replace them as if it was something they expected to happen???
Anyone else have any thoughts on this, please SHARE.
I'm worried about my lifeline to the world dying on me and if there's something i can do to prevent this from happening, by all means please tell me!
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I'm worried about my lifeline to the world dying on me and if there's something i can do to prevent this from happening, by all means please tell me!
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There are two distinct issues being reported by some users of the 6P. One is the manufacturing quality of the motherboard and the solder used (motherboard failure), and the other is a very poor quality battery prone to early degradation (battery failure). There is nothing at all you can do about the first issue. Luck of the draw. On the second, you can proactively monitor the battery capacity compared with the original capacity (3450 mAh) using an app called Accubattery. If your battery does start to degrade, you install a quality replacement. The battery issue seems to be much more prevalent. On the positive side, an overwhelming majority of users have not experienced either issue. Nothing to be done other than keep an eye on the battery and intervene early if required.
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There are two distinct issues being reported by some users of the 6P. One is the manufacturing quality of the motherboard and the solder used (motherboard failure), and the other is a very poor quality battery prone to early degradation (battery failure). There is nothing at all you can do about the first issue. Luck of the draw. On the second, you can proactively monitor the battery capacity compared with the original capacity (3450 mAh) using an app called Accubattery. If your battery does start to degrade, you install a quality replacement. The battery issue seems to be much more prevalent. On the positive side, an overwhelming majority of users have not experienced either issue. Nothing to be done other than keep an eye on the battery and intervene early if required.
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I have and have used accubattery for awhile now, and my actual battery percentage, is about 83% unfortunately. Is changing the battery a very complicated thing? That you know of?
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I have and have used accubattery for awhile now, and my actual battery percentage, is about 83% unfortunately. Is changing the battery a very complicated thing? That you know of?
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Replacement time. Sucks but it's true. The Cameron Sino seems to be the most popular among 6P users. I don't think it is too difficult, and there are a growing number of YouTube videos. Seems like you need a heat gun or good blow dryer to soften the glue and the usual plastic tools. Or... you could always order the battery online and take it to a repair shop.
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Replacement time. Sucks but it's true. The Cameron Sino seems to be the most popular among 6P users. I don't think it is too difficult, and there are a growing number of YouTube videos. Seems like you need a heat gun or good blow dryer to soften the glue and the usual plastic tools. Or... you could always order the battery online and take it to a repair shop.
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Thanks for the link. Strange enough, i just clean flashed the rom i usually use, (it was updated for the security patches) anyways, i charged my phone to 100%, i usually never do, I only usually charge to 86% based on "Accubatterie's" insistence that it is less wear on your battery. And at 100% charge, my battery health is at 86%. Coincidence? It is also a fresh app install of Accubattery, i have the pro version and the health is only based on the one charge...
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Thanks for the link. Strange enough, i just clean flashed the rom i usually use, (it was updated for the security patches) anyways, i charged my phone to 100%, i usually never do, I only usually charge to 86% based on "Accubatterie's" insistence that it is less wear on your battery. And at 100% charge, my battery health is at 86%. Coincidence? It is also a fresh app install of Accubattery, i have the pro version and the health is only based on the one charge...
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You should not give much focus to Accubattery % there is not real way of knowing the battery degradation specialty because Android itself is not collecting most of the data.
How old is your phone? If is over a year is totally normal to start noticing the difference in battery life. Best choice is to just replace it.
http://techlife.samsung.com/tips-keep-smartphone-charged-1059.html
Charge Regularly
To get the most out of your smartphone's battery, you'll need to charge it properly. Most smartphones have a lithium-ion battery that lives longer when charged regularly. Unlike the nickel batteries used in older phones, lithium-ion batteries do best when kept above a 50 percent charge. Repeatedly allowing the battery to drain fully may shorten its life and decrease its overall capacity. If this happens, you'll need to charge the battery more frequently and it may last only a few hours before needing a charge, for example.
Your battery will also perform better if you don't let it charge to 100 percent, so take it off the charger at about 80 to 90 percent capacity. Leaving the phone connected to the charger when the phone is completely charged may lower battery life if you do it repeatedly.
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This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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Wow I did not know any of this. I will be following this thanks for sharing.
how long is the battery lasting if you are only going down to 50 and up to 90?
Gees! Below 50% really. I would tend to agree somewhat. I never let my phone fall below 20% and usually charge until 97% more or less. But 90-50. I don't want to be walking around with a battery back. I need my phone to last all day and 40% of the battery just won't cut it.
Xuck that !! I have a 3000mah battery for a reason if it goes then it goes ill most likely have another phone by then.Not gonna sit here to nickel and dime my usage that's not why I got this phone .
GM makes the Li batteries last in the volt and bolt 10 years by not letting the car drain the batteries more than 2/3rds down, leaving the batteries at 1/3rd charge. Tesla does it too.
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Nah, I don't own my phones for more than a year so this doesn't apply to me. I'd rather keep using it from 100-1 just like I've been doing for years. I wouldn't be able to stand only getting an hour of use and charging it 3 times a day.
This battery information applies to all devices that use this type of battery be they Samsung or other brands. Its not just the Note 8. It applies equally to your Oral-B tooth brush! :laugh:
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this is a good habit to charge often at 50%. i usually let the battery run down to like 20% or less then charge. then when i have to go somewhere and i cant play with my phone anymore cus i worry i going to run down the battery.
Question are the "300-2500" charge cycles just as it says? I mean if I put it on the charger in the car for a 10 minute drive is that a cycle along with an overnight charge? If it is we should really only be putting it on the charger from the 50-90% with a guaranteed fast charge time of at least 30+mins to get the maximum charge cycles for the lifespan?
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This is the ultimate battery charging explanation and guide:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/a15731/best-way-to-keep-li-ion-batteries-charged/
I always follow this. Installing AccuBattery app will help you with this.
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This was a really well written down to earth article about battery care. Thank you. I still have friends, family, and coworkers that insist on running their batteries to 0%. I can't convince them otherwise. Although my batteries degrade, it's never been anything easy shattering. Just notice an hour or two shaved of over a couple years life. As the article states, there is no way around this and I won't be a slave to my battery. In that note, I top off when I can.
My battery on my old phone tended to get to around the 40% at the end fo the work day, then I'd plug it in usually around the 20-30% and it still lasted 2+ years 'til I got a new battery. Now it's about 50% at the end of the day. But with Fast Charge, what do they expect people to do, plug it in for an hour, then unplug it, then go to sleep, wake up with 60% battery, go to work and then charge it for an hour when you get there?
The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
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The lie of requiring a non replaceable battery for water proofing is also an issue. Forced obsolescence sucks....
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Too black and white.
It is possible to offer some water resistance to a mobile that has a removable battery, S5 for eg.
In general such water resistance is small and is often abused by the owner causing problems. Hardly any owner reads the instruction manual that outlines what ones device can and cannot do, what the IP rating means in REAL terms etc
"Forced obsolescence" mmmmm, a battery can be changed in the Note 8. I understand your point though.
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this has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too small a batteries in its top of the range device!
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this guff has been around for years. Doesn't make it very convenient to use nothing below 50%! I'd need at least an 8000 mh battery!! Therefore Samsung IS using too smaller batteries in its top of the range device!
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Totaly agree......
We then have to ask 'ourselves' WHY! Who forced Mobile brands to make anorexic devices? WE DID. We wanted thin small large wide slim ...........we got it and now pay the price.
I personally don't care if the device is thicker with a larger battery, for me its not a problem. For so many size was a major issue so the manufacture's listened and came up with these ultra thin mobiles that are vulnerable to dropping and breaking etc. off topic.
I find it totally bizarre that we spend mega bucks on such devices only to find we are educated to use them on software that reduces said mobile to the performance of a phone costing 100€! I may add many posters where disappointed when the Note 8 didn't have a 4k screen! Can you imagine the battery issues then?
Now we read this Samsung article and find we would need to charge our mobile several times a day as well as run it on a vastly reduced software programme. In reality that article is saying the battery is only operating efficiently at 40% of its total capacity before we start to degrade its life! Its all so absurd. What are we doing here folks?
Only one answer to this, either drop the performance OR vastly improve battery technology and fast.
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I'm not sure how usefull this is for the new samsung phones though, as the release of the S8 Samsung improved the battery.
Samsung Mobile R&D VP Bookeun Oh told me, "I focused on maintaining the durability of the battery over the long term, over hundreds of charging cycles. For example, after approximately six months of normal usage, the battery in the S8 will outperform previous batteries. While most batteries hold about 80 percent of their charge after two years in usual cases, this battery should be capable of 95 percent of its original capacity."
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PC mag S8 review
I am sorry but i will use my phone all day and charge overnight. If you can't use past 50% what is the point???? My pixel xl i have had since day 1 and use all day everyday and charge overnight and noticed no real decrease in battery life except a little change with oreo!
Outdated info and not necessary.
0% on your device is still considerably above what is considered the bottom line cell voltage before excessive discharge detrimental affects capacity.
A lot of engineering has gone into these devices to squeeze every possible mAh out of the packs, have a decent life expectancy AND operate safely. There is no need to strive for certain numbers and forcibly change your usage habits. There may or may not be a demonstrably better result long term but honestly is it worth worrying about?
And for removable packs...
Forget it. That's a thing of the past.
If devices had battery life like the Skyrocket, sure I see the NEED for a swappable pack.
But not now.
Having a sealed device makes it feel solid and keeps intrusion protection intact.
Holding an older device in hand, it seems almost laughable today. It creaks and groans and feels super cheap in comparison like some dollar store toy!