I a recent conversation posted to @BeansTown106, where I stated that the note 3's (using 4.4.2) affinity for simultaneously running wifi and mobile data in some cases. I raised concerns, and @BeansTown106 stated a couple of things about what I saw...
1. In 4.4.2, the way the OS presents the mobile icon (keeping it visible) while wifi is on, is normal -
2. I asked if there was a security issue if both were on, and he did not think so - also hinting that if wifi is on (and connected) mobile data is not.
ok
However, I am discovering that wifi and mobile data are being interfered with in a few cases - I ask anyone with knowledge of this to step forward to qualify what I am about to say...
two apps play a role and force wifi / mobile data to be engaged at the same time. or, they affect the cutover from mobile data to wifi...
1. an application called Galaxy Locker (replacement lock screen) - when installed on 4.4.2 interferes with wifi and mobile data - if the application is set to run, it will prevent turning off mobile data if wifi is turned on...
2. The caller ID (canid.apk) application that Verizon is including in their standard app package - either solely uses mobile data only or has the same impact the other application does, and both wifi and mobile data stay on
both ridiculously annoying and eat your data plan needlessly...
having said all that I will end with a general statement -
I have not seen an application truly fail in 4.4.2, they generally weather well, with no problem - with the exception of the dreaded Skype issue eating battery.
But generally speaking, an application may seem to work, but not really be compatible and cause unexpected behavior - this is not a revelation, right?
If you are expecting your phone to act a certain way and cannot find the issue. start either eliminating apps or temporarily turn them off and see if your phone does better...
general comment about 4.2.2 (NC2) -
I like it. Yes, I have done a mass debloat job for sure, wherever possible de-Samsunged, de-googled, and definitely de-Verizoned where possible. I even removed hangouts, and gmail and most of the google framework - after I added all the essential applications from the play store followed by removing my google account from the phone - it runs fantastic, no on-the-surface issues / errors
my note 3 4.4.2 is leaned out -
all-in-all I removed about 650MB from system/apps / system/priv-app, and data/app - and I have excellent battery life, fast charging, use the true Hardware GPS (with no Verizon location services involved - thanks to power toggles gps toggle feature). Yep, that's right, in note 3 (4.4.2), if you opt to use GPS only in location settings it still engages Verizon location services too - they lied about gps only... it's not. but with power toggles it does in fact ONLY use the hardware GPS with accuracy between 6 to 10 to 13 ft - usually 10ft though most of the time.
So, for those who are having trouble with kitkat - not sure what you are doing, but it is fast IMO
I want to add one more thing about this behavior. It has been present on TouchWiz devices since the 4.3 update, both on the Note 3 and 2 (and Galaxy S I am assuming). Back on 4.1, the data connection was fully disabled when wifi was connected. At that time the only network connection would be 1X, not even 3G or LTE. Since 4.3, wifi connected does not disable 3G and LTE. I originally noticed because I only used wifi in low signal areas where mobile data killed my battery, but it didn't seem to help since 4.3.
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So you ripped out all or most of the google stuff and suddenly your phone runs great. But how is it not completely useless? Why on earth would you rip out all the SMS apps? You de-googled, de-samsunged, and de-verizoned your phone and you're left with what exactly? By my reckoning the phone should be basically useless without any of the software from these 3 companies.
I guess I'm curious why you wouldn't just flash and AOKP rom and be done with it? Or, you know, buy a nexus device.
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I want to add one more thing about this behavior. It has been present on TouchWiz devices since the 4.3 update, both on the Note 3 and 2 (and Galaxy S I am assuming). Back on 4.1, the data connection was fully disabled when wifi was connected. At that time the only network connection would be 1X, not even 3G or LTE. Since 4.3, wifi connected does not disable 3G and LTE. I originally noticed because I only used wifi in low signal areas where mobile data killed my battery, but it didn't seem to help since 4.3.
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I have a rooted, somewhat debloated, but otherwise stock 4.3 (MJE) that does turn off (disconnect) mobile data network when wifi is connected to a hotspot. Both the mobile data icon in the notification bar goes away and settings->about->status Mobile Network State shows disconnected. And battery life is 20 to 30% better.
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Did you keep a list of what you removed?
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I have a rooted, somewhat debloated, but otherwise stock 4.3 (MJE) that does turn off (disconnect) mobile data network when wifi is connected to a hotspot. Both the mobile data icon in the notification bar goes away and settings->about->status Mobile Network State shows disconnected. And battery life is 20 to 30% better.
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Mobile network state may be disconnected, but what does Mobile network type show?
Are you talking about how the wifi stays on under the battery settings?
That can be turned off under wifi advance.
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Mobile Network Type is always LTE, even if I turn Mobile Data off in setup. I believe that references the type of tower I am connected to (CDMA or LTE) only....whether I have data via the mobile network or not.
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I turned off in App Manager or froze them via Titanium Backup....I didn't actually remove them. I also have a 32Gb external card...so have tons of room so for ME...no need to delete.
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Mobile Network Type is always LTE, even if I turn Mobile Data off in setup. I believe that references the type of tower I am connected to (CDMA or LTE) only....whether I have data via the mobile network or not.
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I turned off in App Manager or froze them via Titanium Backup....I didn't actually remove them. I also have a 32Gb external card...so have tons of room so for ME...no need to delete.
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Just keep in mind that some apps keep running even if you freeze them, the only way to truly remove them is to delete them.
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Just keep in mind that some apps keep running even if you freeze them, the only way to truly remove them is to delete them.
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True...but I have checked the running list and they don't show up.
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not exactly...
Snegtul said:
So you ripped out all or most of the google stuff and suddenly your phone runs great. But how is it not completely useless? Why on earth would you rip out all the SMS apps? You de-googled, de-samsunged, and de-verizoned your phone and you're left with what exactly? By my reckoning the phone should be basically useless without any of the software from these 3 companies.
I guess I'm curious why you wouldn't just flash and AOKP rom and be done with it? Or, you know, buy a nexus device.
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I had setup my apps that I want, and then removed the frameworks and the applications (google, Samsung, Verizon**) -
** there are some basic apps I use, like My Verizon / Voicemail - the essentials, that's it. I found a way to not engage location (real gps, not Verizon location services or google services)
I use Samsung's phone / sms etc...
So, what am I left with -
I am left with a phone that is closer to "just" a phone. There are apps, but basic apps...
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Hi all,
Is it possible that my WIFI usage somehow faultily gets counted as data usage(3G), in any android device, particularly in Galaxy S2 I900?
I know it sounds silly, but here's what happened:
I just got 3G activated yesterday.
Through WIFI i downloaded about 600+ MB of data (Sygic)
Through 3G I browsed 2-3 small YouTube videos.
Today when i contacted my carrier (Vodafone India), They say my data usage is about 700 MB in last 2 days. That looks like my WIFI + 3G usage.
Hence this doubt.
Does anyone know of anything like this happening before?
Also, is there any way I can analyze my data usage for the past 3 days?
Now I have learnt my lesson and installed MyDataManager from android market, but it can only analyze data usage from the day of it's installation. Is there any other way I can analyze previous data usage?
PS: I swear I did the download through WIFI. I could see the WIFI signal strength indicator in my status bar. Neither the e(edge) nor the H(hsdpa) was seen.
Please help.
Thanks.
Network cannot charge for data downloaded over WiFi they do not know what WiFi you used . WiFi and network data re separate components .
You made a mistake and did not use WiFi but mobile data .
WiFi signal on and Data in use .
jje
JJEgan said:
Network cannot charge for data downloaded over WiFi they do not know what WiFi you used . WiFi and network data re separate components .
You made a mistake and did not use WiFi but mobile data .
WiFi signal on and Data in use .
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Sorry, im pretty sure i used WIFI.
That's the reason im asking, is it possible that due to some fault in the device, it will somehow log the data downloaded through WIFI as 3G data, because unless there is some fault at the device's end, the network couldn't even know of our WIFI usage.
Also would it be possible that the device does an auto switch from WIFI to carrier data (due to any reason like weak WIFI signal strength) and fails to reflet this on the notification bar(still shows as WIFI on the bar)?
Has anything like this happened to anyone? I just want to cross check before I contact my carrier further. Anyways once i get my connection logs from carrier, it should show the server from which data was downloaded and that should make it clear.
>> WIFI signal on and data in use.
Is this possible? Doesn't the device switch to WIFI whenever its on? I thought WIFI takes priority over data by default
Pretty sure yep thousands if not millions say that when they get a big bill from the network . Network measures data at source and charges they dont get the data from your phone and charge you .
jje
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Pretty sure yep thousands if not millions say that when they get a big bill from the network . Network measures data at source and charges they dont get the data from your phone and charge you .
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Is it possible that the phone shows as WIFI on the notification bar while it is actually using carrier data?
I don't have any issues paying the bill if i have done the usage. I just want to analyze what happened here so that it won't repeat again.
I am pretty sure the notification bar had only the WIFI symbol and not the data indicator. since i had 3G activated recently, i was very conscious about it and watching it quite frequently.
Also previously i had similar over billing issues with my carrier and they promptly gave a reimbursement upon thorough analysis of the situation. so carrier mistakes isn't also something unusual.
I don't know how old your signature is but if you are running ICS rom then you can use built-in data usage monitor (in settings) to verify the volume of data used.
Installed Data usage monitor
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I don't know how old your signature is but if you are running ICS rom then you can use built-in data usage monitor (in settings) to verify the volume of data used.
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The signature is update to date mate.
I don't have a build in data usage monitor, but I have installed one from the market - My Data Manager
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JJEgan said:
Pretty sure yep thousands if not millions say that when they get a big bill from the network . Network measures data at source and charges they dont get the data from your phone and charge you .
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After much analysis and discussions with the carrier, I have finally found out the issue.
As pointed out by jje, the usage has actually happened at my end.
The WIFI had become unavailable many times in between the download, and the download had switched to carrier data.
To avoid any such occurrences again, and to help people manage their data usage better, I have compiled a simple list of best practices here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=25660370#post25660370
Download 3G watchdog
Hey buddy! a great app to keep watch of your 3g plan is 3g watchdog, it advices you when your plan is getting low on data, and its also very useful and user friendly, there is also a paid version with more features
Market: 3G watchdog
Also Onavo count is useful too!
Market: Onavo Count
Tried it
Tuner420 said:
Hey buddy! a great app to keep watch of your 3g plan is 3g watchdog, it advices you when your plan is getting low on data, and its also very useful and user friendly, there is also a paid version with more features
Market: 3G watchdog
Also Onavo count is useful too!
Market: Onavo Count
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Thanks mate... I have tried 3G watch dog and many more apps.
I find My Data Manager more likable.
It's simple, free and has all the same functionality - it notifies when ur usage is reaching threshold.
One good thing about it is that it stays cleanly in the notification area. When you pull down your notification bar, you can see it there, it shows 2 horizontal progress bars indicating 3G usage and WIFI usage each. It also shows number of days left in your bill cycle.
Pretty handy
Just bought the Razr Maxx and I noticed the 3G/4G icon is still present in the status bar when I connect to wifi. It has disappeared when connecting to wifi with all of my other phones in the past.
Am I really connected to the mobile network at the same time as wifi or is this just a display bug?
When I am connected to wifi the 3G/4G icon turns to white. When wifi is off and I'm connected to the mobile network it turns blue.
Blue just tells you what data source your using, if the Wifi is in blue it means you're using Wifi, if the 3G/4G is blue it means you're using that for your data.
I've been having an issue lately where both the Wifi and 3G/4G are blue though and hvaen't quite figured that one out yet.
One of the battery saving tips I used on my old Bionic which I carried over to my RAZR is to create a smart action to turn off the 3G/4G radio whenever I am connected to my work or home WiFi. I know blue tells you what is your active data connection, but the 3G/4G radios still use battery even when gray.
With that one smart action I could easily get a day of use on my Bionic without any issue. Without the action I needed an afternoon charge.
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One of the battery saving tips I used on my old Bionic which I carried over to my RAZR is to create a smart action to turn off the 3G/4G radio whenever I am connected to my work or home WiFi. I know blue tells you what is your active data connection, but the 3G/4G radios still use battery even when gray.
With that one smart action I could easily get a day of use on my Bionic without any issue. Without the action I needed an afternoon charge.
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Thanks. I'm going to have to learn how to use the smart action feature.
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I've been having an issue lately where both the Wifi and 3G/4G are blue though and hvaen't quite figured that one out yet.
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Me too, mine has always done this.
It seems like an odd glitch, the Razr has some of the better radios on Verizon but still has some issues apparently.
I just used wingdo's tactic and added a Trigger - Wifi Connection, Action - Cellular Data (Disable) to Smart Actions, works pretty flawlessly and does seem to do a good job conserving battery life.
Seihaku said:
It seems like an odd glitch, the Razr has some of the better radios on Verizon but still has some issues apparently.
I just used wingdo's tactic and added a Trigger - Wifi Connection, Action - Cellular Data (Disable) to Smart Actions, works pretty flawlessly and does seem to do a good job conserving battery life.
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Just added that Smart Action. So far so good!
wingdo said:
One of the battery saving tips I used on my old Bionic which I carried over to my RAZR is to create a smart action to turn off the 3G/4G radio whenever I am connected to my work or home WiFi. I know blue tells you what is your active data connection, but the 3G/4G radios still use battery even when gray.
With that one smart action I could easily get a day of use on my Bionic without any issue. Without the action I needed an afternoon charge.
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Thats what I been doing! Just go to my data monitor, shut mobile data off, and voila... no more 3g icon, and... it saves battery. I think its a good thing the icon is still there even when connected to wifi as it reminds me to shut off my mobile data to conserve my precious battery life.
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Just added that Smart Action. So far so good!
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And how do you make it ignore "not usable" wifis?
For example, in airports, where there is no WEP/WPA password - you're ON wifi, but without authentication, you don't have access to external data.
It gives you a list of SSIDs, you select the ones you usually use and it will only shut off your Mobile Data when you're connected to one of them.
It seems like Google has taken some simple basic things in Android that made intuitive sense and made them more complicated or hidden, and this appears to be no exception.
I just bought a Maxx and updated to Ice Cream Sandwich (4.0.4), and both the Wifi and 4G icons are blue... I've never seen them any other color, in fact. I had to go into Wifi settings and disable mobile data to get the 4G icon to disappear... I have no idea if it was actually using 4G, but the point of connecting to Wifi is to prevent my limited data plan from being used.
Just so you know, turning off mobile data when connected to wifi will stop you from receiving any MMS messages.
I have a technical question ... you can use the 3G network for surfing the Internet and at the same time the wifi network to move files only?
Simply put no. Phones are not made to use 2 different wireless signals at once.
Bat cave One
The only way to use both is setting a Wi-FI access point on your phone. Still, you can't do things you want to: PC connects to smartphone just to get internet data.
No there is no way around it.
Bat cave One
zelendel said:
Simply put no. Phones are not made to use 2 different wireless signals at once.
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why not? I can call when I have wifi turned on
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why not? I can call when I have wifi turned on
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Do you even understand what your asking? Voice and data are 2 very different things. Data and call signals are handled by different process. The antenna are set to do one voice and one data. Think about it. Even dual sim card devices can only use one at a time.
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Yes I understand ... so it is not technically possible to manage wifi and 3g antenna at the same time because data can only handle one job at a time? I thought the wifi module and the module 3g were managed separately...
This is an android software limitations?
When you use the wifi 3g module is put into the off state to save battery, works only the incall module. When you disable the wifi 3g module change the status to up. About your question no, it's impossible to use wifi and 3g at the same time to make 2 different operation
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thanks for the reply. just in my office I have a wifi router with no internet connection, are connected with the phone to surf the intranet. so I would keep the connection 3g to receive notifications from whattsup or other ... every time without having to turn off and on the wifi. It does not seem like a stupid question.
This is not directly related to your problem but using wifi and mobile data at the same time seems to be possible: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667025
Tank you, i see that... But you can only download a file....
I read of a change made to the file system / framework / services.jar
But i don't know if it work....
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I have a technical question ... you can use the 3G network for surfing the Internet and at the same time the wifi network to move files only?
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Yes, I'm doing it on my Nexus 4, check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640472
Another guy is doing it on an Optimus G, he did it first as far as I can tell:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2197776
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Simply put no. Phones are not made to use 2 different wireless signals at once.
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There is no way around it
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That's incorrect. Android phones can use multiple wireless signals at once (wifi, cell, mobile data, bluetooth, nfc). And they can have multiple network interfaces up at the same time just like any linux box can. It just happens that the network manager turns of mobile data when you turn on wifi, but that's on purpose (to save you battery/cost), and not because the phone isn't capable of it.
Not sure why you say with such authority there's no way around it. If you don't know the answer to something for sure, better don't give a wrong answer.
There's even an app on the play store that can loadbalance a download over wifi and mobile data at the same time:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.opbyte.superdownload_lite
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Yes, I'm doing it on my Nexus 4, check this thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1640472
Another guy is doing it on an Optimus G, he did it first as far as I can tell:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2197776
That's incorrect. Android phones can use multiple wireless signals at once (wifi, cell, mobile data, bluetooth, nfc). And they can have multiple network interfaces up at the same time just like any linux box can. It just happens that the network manager turns of mobile data when you turn on wifi, but that's on purpose (to save you battery/cost), and not because the phone isn't capable of it.
Not sure why you say with such authority there's no way around it. If you don't know the answer to something for sure, better don't give a wrong answer.
There's even an app on the play store that can loadbalance a download over wifi and mobile data at the same time:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=it.opbyte.superdownload_lite
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I say this from past experience that the WiFi antenna could not get a signal at the same time as the data antenna.
Now while this may have changed. I will look into it myself before I pay much heed to it as anything more then smoke and mirrors.
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I say this from past experience that the WiFi antenna could not get a signal at the same time as the data antenna.
Now while this may have changed. I will look into it myself before I pay much heed to it as anything more then smoke and mirrors.
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Welcome to the future, I guess...
http://galaxys5guide.com/samsung-galaxy-s5-features-explained/galaxy-s5-download-booster/
But this has been around for awhile (though not as advanced, obviously...)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1667025
But as far as being able to use both separately at the same time would probably be a pain to implement in many phones.
Why does the 4G stay on when connected to WiFi, it does not seem to be using any data but wouldn't it save battery if it turned the 4G off when not in use? I used to have sprint and mobile data always automatically turned off when on WiFi, this is my first verizon phone, is this normal on all verizon devices?
mcerk02 said:
Why does the 4G stay on when connected to WiFi, it does not seem to be using any data but wouldn't it save battery if it turned the 4G off when not in use? I used to have sprint and mobile data always automatically turned off when on WiFi, this is my first verizon phone, is this normal on all verizon devices?
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As long as the 4G icon is greyed out it's disconnected. It's just in a ready state in case of sending or receiving mms when it will turn white with activity arrows
Hello, This is a problem on many devices. The best way to fix it is too go to Settings, Wireless Settings, Mobile Settings and then turn off your data.
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Hello, This is a problem on many devices. The best way to fix it is too go to Settings, Wireless Settings, Mobile Settings and then turn off your data.
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yes, I realize I can do that im not gonna worry about turning it on and off every time, it dont seem to be using any mobile data but I was looking at it as a battery drain...same reason I dont keep bluetooth on when not in use
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Hello, This is a problem on many devices. The best way to fix it is too go to Settings, Wireless Settings, Mobile Settings and then turn off your data.
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If you turn data off you will not be able to receive or send mms. Best to leave it alone. I use g3 teeakbox to hide it when on Wi-Fi
For phone calls and text messages. Data will go through wifi.
mcerk02 said:
yes, I realize I can do that im not gonna worry about turning it on and off every time, it dont seem to be using any mobile data but I was looking at it as a battery drain...same reason I dont keep bluetooth on when not in use
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I hear you - if the 4g radio is on it is theoretically eating your battery; although it may be negligible with the power saving built into the phone. If you want 4g/data completely off while on WiFi you can download a tasker app from the play store and set it up to automatically switch off data when WiFi is connected & vice versa; it's been working well for me. You'll lose stock MMS if data is turned off though, so consider that before you use a tasker. You can always grab a 3rd party messaging app for MMS if you need it, and they will work because they are only over WiFi.
But if it is just an aesthetic thing, as mentioned in a post above, you can hide the icon using g3 tweaks.
The only difference is that these phones show you what mobile data connection you have. On T-Mobile, you may have a phone that only shows the bars when on WiFi, but it's still connected, just look at an app like Signal Check Pro.
This is not eating your battery, it's not being used, it simply tells you what connection is idle for when you are no longer using WiFi.
This is my fourth Motorola phone in a row. I got it from Amazon and use it on Xfinity mobile. I have not rooted it, and I don't particularly care about advanced calling features, but it does have WiFi calling via the phone app. Unfortunately, my office is not super close to my router, and for whatever reason it seems to not be a problem if I turn wifi off manually before taking/placing a call. I also like to pace when I am on long conversations (or go on walks outside), but this remains an issue. Would enabling advanced calling resolve this? I'd prefer not to root the phone if I don't have to, but I suppose I could.
Also, in previous generations, you could restrict mobile access for certain apps or functions. I made a signal video call several weeks ago that used a full GB of data even though I was connected to WiFi (perhaps the same issue as above, but at least it never disconnected me). I haven't opened the app in weeks and it's still used almost 200mb of data even though I have background data restricted, and all the in-app settings prioritize wifi. I'd love to force signal (and others) to use WiFi only.