I have read through most of freeza's thread,and understand that flashing the Engineering bootloader will make the installation of updated basebands easier. However, my baseband is already NC5. So, what are some of the other advantages of having this loader? What happens to KNOX? Also what happens to the counter that keeps tract of how roms you flash?
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I thought it was necessary to unlock the bootloader on android phones before i could root them and flash different roms. A buddy of mine had rooted his old s3 but forgot to unlock the bootloader, so when he tried restarting it, it soft bricked. For the longest time I thought you had to unlock the bootloader then root the phone in order to flash custom roms, have I been wrong all this time?
Think of the Loki workaround as a way to trick the bootloader into flashing improperly signed files. Its like using a credit card on the bolt of a locked door. The door is still locked but you get through anyway.
brizey said:
Think of the Loki workaround as a way to trick the bootloader into flashing improperly signed files. Its like using a credit card on the bolt of a locked door. The door is still locked but you get through anyway.
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And what are the risks of using the loki tool if you use it correctly? if there is an OTA update to the phone, will it mess it all up?
You don't you the tool...the developers do. And technically, it is only used for flashing a recovery and flashing ROMS with the recovery. You can root without unlocking the bootloader because there is an pre-release official rootable kernel than can be flashed with Odin. It flashes because it is legit.
So I should be able to just go to the how to root page on here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2290798 and follow the instructions and flash one of the roms as usual?
yes,go ahead
OK...I keep running into this terminology, so I am going to dumb down and ask the questions...
1. If we rooted, following the guide on xda, does this mean it was Loki patched? I am confused on the whole Loki thing in the first place. I have googled and still don't understand.
2. I currently have CWM installed...can I update it thru ROM manager or do I need this Loki patched?
3. Are all ROMs Loki patched? (Some specifically say Loki patches and some don't)
4. Safestrap.... What's that too??? (When would it be used?)
Please clarify in simpler terms...don't flame too hard. Thank you
..and BTW, I have my phone rooted, CWM, updated to MJ7 and running gummy's 4.4
tats_06 said:
OK...I keep running into this terminology, so I am going to dumb down and ask the questions...
1. If we rooted, following the guide on xda, does this mean it was Loki patched? I am confused on the whole Loki thing in the first place. I have googled and still don't understand.
2. I currently have CWM installed...can I update it thru ROM manager or do I need this Loki patched?
3. Are all ROMs Loki patched? (Some specifically say Loki patches and some don't)
4. Safestrap.... What's that too??? (When would it be used?)
Please clarify in simpler terms...don't flame too hard. Thank you
..and BTW, I have my phone rooted, CWM, updated to MJ7 and running gummy's 4.4
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Ok, originally when the phone was released it had a locked boot loader. Loki is the the exploit used to unlock the boot loader. VZW's first OTA fixed this exploit and permanently locked the boot loader. So those with the original MDK version could unlock the boot loader with LOKI.
Loki is just the means that allows you to use a custom recovery. If you have CWM recovery, then you still have an MDK boot loader, and all roms that work with it have the loki patch applied. Loki is a term you want to look for with your phone since it appears to be MDK.
Safestrap is a solution for those with a locked boot loader (anyone who took the ME7 or Mi1 update). It doesn't allow custom recovery as the boot loader is still locked, but it allows you flash some custom roms over the stock rom.
The latest update MJ7 is the 4.3 update. If you take ANY of the updates from your MDK build, you will lose custom recovery.
Thank you so much!!!!! That makes total sense! I rooted my original MDK, flashed CWM...I steered away from any OTAs as I saw warnings. I still have the original CWM, but wanted to try philz touch. Then kept seeing Loki randomly and it confused me even more. I really appreciate your answer!!!!!
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Ok, originally when the phone was released it had a locked boot loader. Loki is the the exploit used to unlock the boot loader. VZW's first OTA fixed this exploit and permanently locked the boot loader. So those with the original MDK version could unlock the boot loader with LOKI.
Loki is just the means that allows you to use a custom recovery. If you have CWM recovery, then you still have an MDK boot loader, and all roms that work with it have the loki patch applied. Loki is a term you want to look for with your phone since it appears to be MDK.
Safestrap is a solution for those with a locked boot loader (anyone who took the ME7 or Mi1 update). It doesn't allow custom recovery as the boot loader is still locked, but it allows you flash some custom roms over the stock rom.
The latest update MJ7 is the 4.3 update. If you take ANY of the updates from your MDK build, you will lose custom recovery.
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tats_06 said:
Thank you so much!!!!! That makes total sense! I rooted my original MDK, flashed CWM...I steered away from any OTAs as I saw warnings. I still have the original CWM, but wanted to try philz touch. Then kept seeing Loki randomly and it confused me even more. I really appreciate your answer!!!!!
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No problem. You just want to make sure you look for roms that are flash able through recovery. Safestrap is not for you. There are some roms that are for Recovery (MDK users like us) and they are also safe for Safestrap as well. Currently I'm using Old & Slow's Rooted Stock MJ7.
Perfect! I am a CM fan all the way. And because of the risk, I like to read 100 times before proceeding
318sugarhill said:
No problem. You just want to make sure you look for roms that are flash able through recovery. Safestrap is not for you. There are some roms that are for Recovery (MDK users like us) and they are also safe for Safestrap as well. Currently I'm using Old & Slow's Rooted Stock MJ7.
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Want some Views of YOu All . Currently i am on MJ7 Bootloader and 4.3 firnware version and thinking of getting an update to NC5 With Bootloader . What you guys think Or should i wait for some Miracle .?? Dont tell me to upgrade without bootloader because there is an annoying Bug where i cant charge my phone in power off(IT turns on automatically) because off bootloader and firmware incompatibility. Thanx.
You just need to upgrade your bootloader to mk2 to get rid of the bug. That's a problem with mj7, which is why mk2 came out so quick after. You can even downgrade the mk2 bootloader back to mj7. But between staying on mk2 bootloader or moving on to nc5, I would move on. Theoretically something COULD happen but you won't find anyone on the net who is still working on unlocking that firmware.
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You just need to upgrade your bootloader to mk2 to get rid of the bug. That's a problem with mj7, which is why mk2 came out so quick after. You can even downgrade the mk2 bootloader back to mj7. But between staying on mk2 bootloader or moving on to nc5, I would move on. Theoretically something COULD happen but you won't find anyone on the net who is still working on unlocking that firmware.
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Thanx . Gonna try it.
I'm looking to update my mom's phone, I honestly don't remember what I did to it in the past. As far as I can tell it's rooted on NC5, with a lock boot loader (I assume although when booting up I see an unlocked lock with the words "custom" underneath it) and knox is 0x0. Does that mean my bootloader is actually unlocked? and am I following this guide (http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-to-root-i545vrufnk1-4-4-2-12-1-2014-t2959613) to update to the latest version?
Thanks
You are most likely rooted but for sure your bootloader is still locked. As far as updating, if you don't want to keep root or anything then just odin back to stock and accept an OTA. If you want root then there are other ways to update posted in this forum.
I've been searching and reading and haven't found a definitive, working method. I did find some reference to being able to do this via safestrap but then either sound doesn't work or wifi doesn't work. Is there a way to downgrade and have everything work? I'm aware it's likely a different boot loader so I'm sure just a straight downgrade via odin isn't happening...
I do not think you can downgrade to 4.3. You are stuck with nc5.