Hey guys,
So I have a rooted Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 SCH-1545 running the MK2 build. I've been getting software update messages from Verizon the past few days I'm assuming for the new kit Kat. Since I'm rooted will I be OK if I update the phone with the new software or does anyone know if I will have any problems with it? Cheers.
Can't OTA update while rooted, will fail or soft brick you
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opiejuan said:
Hey guys,
So I have a rooted Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 SCH-1545 running the MK2 build. I've been getting software update messages from Verizon the past few days I'm assuming for the new kit Kat. Since I'm rooted will I be OK if I update the phone with the new software or does anyone know if I will have any problems with it? Cheers.
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If you really want to update to Kit Kat and you're not worried about root you can simply Odin the kit Kat no wipe file.
If you want root you can follow one of the guides on here to keep root while upgrading... those are somewhat involved however so if you're not comfortable with Odin etc you may just want to stay on MK2. That's what I would do... More options to you on MK2
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Mistertac said:
If you really want to update to Kit Kat and you're not worried about root you can simply Odin the kit Kat no wipe file.
If you want root you can follow one of the guides on here to keep root while upgrading... those are somewhat involved however so if you're not comfortable with Odin etc you may just want to stay on MK2. That's what I would do... More options to you on MK2
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absolutely correct, at this point makes no sense to take 4.4 OTA, even with upgrade/downgrade available. Until issues are resolved and more ROMS are available for the non-mdk phone users thru safestrap its best stay back and wait a while.
Well Bob.. not many think of those things and rather just be on the latest and greatest. However once that wears off we see all the questions pop up on here regarding going back... Then the problems come with that process too so its just better IMO to sit tight unless your very good at troubleshooting and Odin.
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Mistertac said:
Well Bob.. not many think of those things and rather just be on the latest and greatest. However once that wears off we see all the questions pop up on here regarding going back... Then the problems come with that process too so its just better IMO to sit tight unless your very good at troubleshooting and Odin.
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couldn't agree more. Just look at the struggles so many have had with the upgrade/downgrade methods and odin issues, much can be blamed on the users trying this stuff and not understanding what they are getting into. Luckily (or unluckily) the avalanche of kitkat hasn't hit as there really aren't safestrap compatible roms out (except for maybe 2), once HD 16 comes out sit back and watch the fireworks as issues happen, even to those knowledgeable with odin.
safestrap, odin, udgrade/downgrade and no direct root method for kitkat gonna make the next few months interesting.
opiejuan said:
Hey guys,
So I have a rooted Verizon Samsung Galaxy S4 SCH-1545 running the MK2 build. I've been getting software update messages from Verizon the past few days I'm assuming for the new kit Kat. Since I'm rooted will I be OK if I update the phone with the new software or does anyone know if I will have any problems with it? Cheers.
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The ota update to NC5(KitKat) will fail because you are rooted but will not cause any harm after the failer. It will leave your current set-up intact(just clearing up this point for everyone). You will need to unroot before taking the ota update.
If you are running stock MK2 except for root you can easily upgrade to NC5 and maintain root access by following these instructions: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2749660
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I'm currently rooted on VRUAMDK with (what I believe to be anyway) the first method from when the phone was released. I didn't have much time to bother with it when ME7 came out so I just froze SDM in TiBu and ignored it until now.
Today I saw the info about the MI1 update and decided to give it a shot updating. I saw that it was already rooted so I figured I'd just go for it and do an OTA after unfreezing SDM. However, when I tried that the install restarted the phone into Team Win Recovery and didn't complete. I assume this was because TWR blocks the install to avoid you losing root or something like that.
What I'm wondering is if there's a way to update to MI1 through TWR or some other alternative to the Verizon OTA so I don't lose root at all? I would like to know if there's a similar method for rooted phones with ME7 (since my girlfriends phone is rooted on that.).
Thanks in advance.
Don't take the OTA. Just get an MI1 stock deodex ROM. For the love of God keep your bootloader intact. The newer ones are not exploitable.
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ozzzzysh said:
Don't take the OTA. Just get an MI1 stock deodex ROM. For the love of God keep your bootloader intact. The newer ones are not exploitable.
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Okay, I thought that might be the right course of action but wasn't sure that the ROMs were equivalent of an OTA or just a custom rebuild of the old version.
As for my Girlfriend whose phone came with ME7? Should she just take the OTA and then Root again?
The MI1 OTA, from what I've gathered, enables a custom software counter. So unless she's planning on staying fully stock I would avoid the update. MI1 didn't really change enough to justify anyone to update as far as I know.
By custom software counter, I mean that if you were to tinker with your phone too much, it would blow a permanent qfuse that would let Samsung know not to grant your warranty when the time comes.
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Reonar_Dauth said:
Okay, I thought that might be the right course of action but wasn't sure that the ROMs were equivalent of an OTA or just a custom rebuild of the old version.
As for my Girlfriend whose phone came with ME7? Should she just take the OTA and then Root again?
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Neither update offers anything of real value that the custom rom's aren't bringing to the table. Hell there are flashable radios even. Apps to SD for me7 might be the only useful feature. But there are custom me7 roms. Wait on the devs to update you.
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No real value over the MDK release. It just locks things down.
Get one of the ROMs based on MI1.
Move along,,,, Nothing to see....
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If I am still on MDK, can I use any rom (4.3/4.4) or only roms for 4.2.2 MDK?
Things were much simpler on my GNex
PeterifficX said:
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If I am still on MDK, can I use any rom (4.3/4.4) or only roms for 4.2.2 MDK?
Things were much simpler on my GNex
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You can flash any rom you want. The only way you'll lock yourself down is if you take an official update.
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PeterifficX said:
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If I am still on MDK, can I use any rom (4.3/4.4) or only roms for 4.2.2 MDK?
Things were much simpler on my GNex
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Crawshayi said:
You can flash any rom you want. The only way you'll lock yourself down is if you take an official update.
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Hey folks...... :highfive: I'm currently working on my Ex Wifes phone SCH-I545. I've not updated or done anything to her phone since I rooted and installed Beanstown. Quite some time ago. Any way, Her Android version is 4.2.2/VRUAMDK. :good: TWRP for recovery, not sure the version. My question is, Can I just flash any of the latest ROMs to her phone? I just want to make sure I don't screw her phone up. @Crawshayi, I see your answer right there. I just want to double check and know that I won't lock her phone down.
I really appreciate you guys. Without you and XDA, I'd be completely lost.
Sincerely
David C
Edit: Thanks guys. Everything worked perfect. My phones are running flawless.
Showing off here. NOTE 2 left side this on my right.
Hi all,
I recently got the S4 on Verizon at Best Buy as part of a Black Friday deal. On my way home, it downloaded the update to Android 4.3 (build VRUEMJ7). Not seeing that, I noticed it had downloaded new software, so I chose to update it. >.< I was hoping to root the phone so I could get rid of all the Verizon bloatware ASAP. I'm unaware if there's a legitimate root for this build currently available, so I'm wondering if there's a way I can reinstall 4.2.2 or flash the stock firmware even though my phone isn't rooted.
Many thanks,
Sam
I would like to know the same just spent all night trying to use odin to no avail but did get my phone un bricked using Kies but still on 4.3
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tshelby73 said:
I would like to know the same just spent all night trying to use odin to no avail but did get my phone un bricked using Kies but still on 4.3
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It's been stated many,many,many times. Once you take an update, there is NO way to go back. With 4.3 your only option is root with vRoot (and maybe Kingo). No custom recovery, no Safestrap and no ROMs.
tshelby73 said:
I would like to know the same just spent all night trying to use odin to no avail but did get my phone un bricked using Kies but still on 4.3
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riker147 said:
It's been stated many,many,many times. Once you take an update, there is NO way to go back. With 4.3 your only option is root with vRoot (and maybe Kingo). No custom recovery, no Safestrap and no ROMs.
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Thanks,
I came from Galaxy Nexus. What a Pain to get out of a softbrick. Overall happy with the phone it gets me through a day instead of 4 to 6 hrs.. Have root and tether mod pretty much all I need. I did do a lot of searching but since I just got the phone I have missed allot of the buried posts about going backwards did finally see some though. I'd rather have 4.3 anyway for working bluetooth song tagging unless that worked on this phone on 4.2.2.
Only reason I wanted to go back was to use the ota root method instead of vroot.
It's funny , on some threads some say never to use the software update due to a possible brick. the I've seen on other threads to root then update because there seems to be a build update after the MJ7 build. Mine has the MJ7
Today, I've read that Kit Kat may be out by the end of the month
Can anyone shed light to my question?
Before I read, not to try the update, I did. All it did was fail, plus after I checked that I still had root and a 0 x 0 in the warranty status, so I felt good about that )
Thanks
There's a thread on how to keep root and update in the development section
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joshm.1219 said:
There's a thread on how to keep root and update in the development section
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thanks!
pbman1953 said:
thanks!
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I guess the question is there an update build after MJ7? or is the newest MK2?
MK2 is the newest build just came out.
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joshm.1219 said:
MK2 is the newest build just came out.
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Is it worth the hastle to update since kit kat is so close?
Thanks
pbman1953 said:
Is it worth the hastle to update since kit kat is so close?
Thanks
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If my OTA fails how can I get the update file?
pbman1953 said:
Is it worth the hastle to update since kit kat is so close?
Thanks
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KitKat won't be here for a couple months.
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pbman1953 said:
Is it worth the hastle to update since kit kat is so close?
Thanks
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someone correct me if im wrong, but the any ota will error out if you have any system altering files ie xposed, viper4android, things like that. Or if you have deleted any factory apps you will need to get those back before attempting an ota. In my experience, i've had to odin flash a factory no wipe image before any ota took (me7 ,mi1, mj7,and mk2) therefor you would need to update in sequence to get the latest. ie from mj7 to mk2 before you could access any later version. so you'll eventually have to update to mk2 before kit kat anyways.
jhud25 said:
someone correct me if im wrong, but the any ota will error out if you have any system altering files ie xposed, viper4android, things like that. Or if you have deleted any factory apps you will need to get those back before attempting an ota. In my experience, i've had to odin flash a factory no wipe image before any ota took (me7 ,mi1, mj7,and mk2) therefor you would need to update in sequence to get the latest. ie from mj7 to mk2 before you could access any later version. so you'll eventually have to update to mk2 before kit kat anyways.
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Not "any" system files, just any system files that the OTA is updating. Of course, it's not easy to tell what those files are.
The MI1 to MJ7 OTA, which was the update to 4.3, updated a LOT of files, so anything that you changed is likely to cause the update to fail.
MK2 doesn't touch nearly as much, so it's less likely to fail due to update. I think I've seen the MK2 update work even though xposed was installed and enabled, which wouldn't work when going to MJ7.
Having said all that wouldn't you still need to be on mk2 to ota the next update whatever that may be?
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jhud25 said:
Having said all that wouldn't you still need to be on mk2 to ota the next update whatever that may be?
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Yes, that's been the way the updates have come. No way to skip updates using OTAs.
Okay guys so I got my S4 for Christmas as an upgrade from an S3. I love it. Its a beast and it is just amazing. Here's my problem, after a bunch of head scratching and reading, I finally found out how I was supposed to root it while running the latest jail cell of an update, MK2. The only thing I did to my phone is root it. No custom recovery or anything. Now that the android 4.4.2 update is coming soon, I really want to update to it, but obviously I can't just take the OTA when it comes out, so I need to go back to stock, no root, nothing, the thing is I have no idea how to safely do it and I have very bad dyslexia so keeping track of all the threads that tell me what to do is impossible for me. Can someone please give me a simple step by step on how to do go back to stock? And where I can get the firmware from?
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My recommendation would be to search the Samsung website for an MK2 Odin.tar stock firmware image for your s4. If you can't find it there then I recommend looking on XDA for a no data wipe MK2 image. Once the OTA hits for 4.4.2 touchwiz KitKat I recommend you wait for the devs to find a root exploit for it. Or if you don't mind spending a few bucks you could buy super su pro and enable root survival mode and it keeps root over an ota. But I'll see if I can link you to a non data wipe stock MK2 image.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2578209
Here are the stock MK2 images just in case. There are full data wipes and no data wipes available. Hope I was able to help!
damnyouwaffles said:
Okay guys so I got my S4 for Christmas as an upgrade from an S3. I love it. Its a beast and it is just amazing. Here's my problem, after a bunch of head scratching and reading, I finally found out how I was supposed to root it while running the latest jail cell of an update, MK2. The only thing I did to my phone is root it. No custom recovery or anything. Now that the android 4.4.2 update is coming soon, I really want to update to it, but obviously I can't just take the OTA when it comes out, so I need to go back to stock, no root, nothing, the thing is I have no idea how to safely do it and I have very bad dyslexia so keeping track of all the threads that tell me what to do is impossible for me. Can someone please give me a simple step by step on how to do go back to stock? And where I can get the firmware from?
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Please understand that currently there is no way to root KitKat on bootloader locked devices.
Yes, you can restore a no-wipe MK2 ROM and return to stock, then take the 4.4 update when it's rolled out, but you may be stuck on stock for good if you do that.
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Please understand that currently there is no way to root KitKat on bootloader locked devices.
Yes, you can restore a no-wipe MK2 ROM and return to stock, then take the 4.4 update when it's rolled out, but you may be stuck on stock for good if you do that.
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k1mu, we will be repeating this countless times when the OTA happens
Mine is running 4.3 and rooted. I am happy with everything. Just read the post how to upgrade to 4.4.2 and retain root. It seems Kitkat is becoming the majority soon. I am concerned 4.3 may not be well supported .... in 2+ years. Well, should I consider upgrading? Is there any compelling reason that Kitkat is the way to go?
newshook said:
Mine is running 4.3 and rooted. I am happy with everything. Just read the post how to upgrade to 4.4.2 and retain root. It seems Kitkat is becoming the majority soon. I am concerned 4.3 may not be well supported .... in 2+ years. Well, should I consider upgrading? Is there any compelling reason that Kitkat is the way to go?
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Right now there is only a small different between 4.4 and 4.3 stay wit 4.3 the longest u can. Android is still supporting 2.3 apps. So when u upgrade we will probably be in android 6.0. Thats what I'm doing I have the s4 rooted in 4.3 and very happy
dgutierrez04 said:
Right now there is only a small different between 4.4 and 4.3 stay wit 4.3 the longest u can. Android is still supporting 2.3 apps. So when u upgrade we will probably be in android 6.0. Thats what I'm doing I have the s4 rooted in 4.3 and very happy
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I'm work you. I'm at least going to wait for a root exploit before I upgrade. I made my wife take the update ( non rooted) and there's nothing that I seen to make me jump on it.
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I'm work you. I'm at least going to wait for a root exploit before I upgrade. I made my wife take the update ( non rooted) and there's nothing that I seen to make me jump on it.
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Yes just wait. I am also waiting for the root exploit to be found for 4.4 but for now. I am happy wit my wifi tether app and greenify app. Make my phone worth it staying in 4.3, especially when u used 50GB every month still grandfather in unlimited data.
Once Sbreen has 4.4 on hyperdrive ill upgrade to it. Im too happy with HD to give it up lol
dgutierrez04 said:
Yes just wait. I am also waiting for the root exploit to be found for 4.4 but for now. I am happy wit my wifi tether app and greenify app. Make my phone worth it staying in 4.3, especially when u used 50GB every month still grandfather in unlimited data.
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Surge's method in the general section keeps root in upgrading to the ota 4.4. Wifi tether is natively enabled.
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aznjosh said:
Surge's method in the general section keeps root in upgrading to the ota 4.4. Wifi tether is natively enabled.
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Yes I seen about of people upgrade to it. But getting wit me I need to have a lock screen on my phone.But if it wasn't for that I would of done it by now. Thank u anyways.
dgutierrez04 said:
Yes I seen about of people upgrade to it. But getting wit me I need to have a lock screen on my phone.But if it wasn't for that I would of done it by now. Thank u anyways.
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I used Surge's method and went from 4.3 MK2 straight to 4.4 NC5. The only problem I had was the lock screen issue but I followed instructions in the following thread and fixed it.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2692147
aznjosh said:
Surge's method in the general section keeps root in upgrading to the ota 4.4. Wifi tether is natively enabled.
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Works great.
I used this method because I wanted tethering to work and if you root these days you need to ODIN back to get an OTA anyway.
So there aren't any real drawbacks to the method to get KitKat and retain root.
You also don't update the bootloader with Surge's method and that's a plus.
Whatever you decide OP, don't take the OTA.
Not sure how many people are looking for a different root method.
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Works great.
I used this method because I wanted tethering to work and if you root these days you need to ODIN back to get an OTA anyway.
So there aren't any real drawbacks to the method to get KitKat and retain root.
You also don't update the bootloader with Surge's method and that's a plus.
Whatever you decide OP, don't take the OTA.
Not sure how many people are looking for a different root method.
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How do you know what boot loader you are on? If the BL isn't changed with Surge's method then that means you should be able to roll back from NC5 to MK2 if you don't like NC5, correct?
If you are rooted on 4.3 I would promote that you stay where you are. On 4.3 with root, you can freeze all the crapware with TiBU and have a very stable and efficient platform.
Once you jump to 4.4, you'll lose root and will be stuck with all the crapware. To be fair, my wife's S4 is now on 4.4 and seems to be running fine. I just don't trust all the bloat that sits there behind the scenes
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If you are rooted on 4.3 I would promote that you stay where you are. On 4.3 with root, you can freeze all the crapware with TiBU and have a very stable and efficient platform.
Once you jump to 4.4, you'll lose root and will be stuck with all the crapware. To be fair, my wife's S4 is now on 4.4 and seems to be running fine. I just don't trust all the bloat that sits there behind the scenes
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If you've been reading, you can clearly upgrade to 4.4 with root.
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