Is anyone working on rooting the actual NC5 update from Verizon?
Yes I know we can Odin back to mk2 and then flash back to NC5 root but my question is, is anyone actually working on finding a root exploit like saferoot on mj7
I asked the same thing the other day (maybe on another forum) and never got a clear answer. Anyway, I hope someone is!
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nedfred5507 said:
Is anyone working on rooting the actual NC5 update from Verizon?
Yes I know we can Odin back to mk2 and then flash back to NC5 root but my question is, is anyone actually working on finding a root exploit like saferoot on mj7
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Yes. However, let me clarify what "working on" means.
To gain root, you've got to find a means of bypassing the kernel's security, or find an installed application with root permissions that has some error that allows us to manipulate it to find root.
Right now, neither of those are known, so you can't get root. Hopefully someone will eventually find a way, but who knows when. Maybe never.
security holes are patched with each subsequent release of a firmware update. Thats why many of us aren't updating our phones becasue once you do, you may lock yourself out. Work has been done on trying to find a bootloader exploit since ME7 was released and none so far....same issue with root, there is no native root method for NC5 and there might never be as kmu1 stated
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I am currently on ME7 stock build. I have rooted and unlocked my last 5 phones and thought I would do the same with the GS4 until I was surprised to see all the issues with the newer builds. I know about safestrap but I haven't taken the plunge yet. Every night I have been delaying the OTAS update Verizon is pushing out. I didn't want to upgrade to an even worse build to be on that nothing would allow me to root.
1) What is the build that Verizon is currently pushing?
2) Is it better, worse or the same when it comes to future potential to unlock and root?
3) Is there a list or chart anywhere what has a chronological order of Verizon build numbers so I can see what is being pushed each time an OTA is offered and I can research what it means for unlocking and root purposes?
Thanks,
Jim
calaski8123 said:
I am currently on ME7 stock build. I have rooted and unlocked my last 5 phones and thought I would do the same with the GS4 until I was surprised to see all the issues with the newer builds. I know about safestrap but I haven't taken the plunge yet. Every night I have been delaying the OTAS update Verizon is pushing out. I didn't want to upgrade to an even worse build to be on that nothing would allow me to root.
1) What is the build that Verizon is currently pushing?
2) Is it better, worse or the same when it comes to future potential to unlock and root?
3) Is there a list or chart anywhere what has a chronological order of Verizon build numbers so I can see what is being pushed each time an OTA is offered and I can research what it means for unlocking and root purposes?
Thanks,
Jim
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1)mk2
2) nobody has been able to unlock new boot loader so as long as there is a root method it should not matter. Don't know about mk2 but I believe mj7 has root.
3)mdk
Me7
Mi1 (I think)
Mj7
Mk2
I think I got them all.
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calaski8123 said:
I am currently on ME7 stock build. I have rooted and unlocked my last 5 phones and thought I would do the same with the GS4 until I was surprised to see all the issues with the newer builds. I know about safestrap but I haven't taken the plunge yet. Every night I have been delaying the OTAS update Verizon is pushing out. I didn't want to upgrade to an even worse build to be on that nothing would allow me to root.
1) What is the build that Verizon is currently pushing?
2) Is it better, worse or the same when it comes to future potential to unlock and root?
3) Is there a list or chart anywhere what has a chronological order of Verizon build numbers so I can see what is being pushed each time an OTA is offered and I can research what it means for unlocking and root purposes?
Thanks,
Jim
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Being on ME7 you are being prompted to update to MI1, then you will be prompted to update to MJ7, and finally to MK2 (the most recent). Safe rooting methods for each of these builds are different but readily available if you look in the Verizon Galaxy S4 forums. Recently, Hashcode has provided the community with the only recovery for MJ7 and MK2 - Safestrap. When you say unlock I'm guessing you mean the bootloader which is still locked - and a difficult nut to crack although there are some very smart guys working on it. I recently got my GS4 and am currently on MK2 rooted with safestrap installed. I don't see an advantage of ME7 to MJ7 or MK2 but others may feel differently. For a while ME7 and MI1 were the only builds that Safestrap worked on, but now that MJ7 and MK2 are safestrap compatible, there doesn't seem to be a disadvantage to the newer builds. Hope that helps sort it out a little. Cheers.
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Being on ME7 you are being prompted to update to MI1, then you will be prompted to update to MJ7, and finally to MK2 (the most recent). Safe rooting methods for each of these builds are different but readily available if you look in the Verizon Galaxy S4 forums. Recently, Hashcode has provided the community with the only recovery for MJ7 and MK2 - Safestrap. When you say unlock I'm guessing you mean the bootloader which is still locked - and a difficult nut to crack although there are some very smart guys working on it. I recently got my GS4 and am currently on MK2 rooted with safestrap installed. I don't see an advantage of ME7 to MJ7 or MK2 but others may feel differently. For a while ME7 and MI1 were the only builds that Safestrap worked on, but now that MJ7 and MK2 are safestrap compatible, there doesn't seem to be a disadvantage to the newer builds. Hope that helps sort it out a little. Cheers.
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YEs thanks... I'll do some research on the newer builds. I really just wanted to know if there was one build that is best to be on and then root. I didn't want to update and find out rooting would be more difficult or have problems but likewise, I didn't want to root on ME7 and miss out on some added features in the newer builds.
If you guys had to pick the best build to be on for a balance of rooting and features, which would it be. For purposes of rooting, I'm OK with stock, I don't need a custom ROM. I just want to delete bloatware, run an ad blocker, wifi tether and Google Wallet (with NFC payments).
And yes, I meant an unlocked bootloader when I said unlocked. I know safestrap works, I just have always been on unlocked with a custom recovery where I could make backups. I felt way safer that way. I'm sure its fine, but safestrap is a new method I'm not yet comfortable with.
Thanks,
Jim
I think MJ7 would be best. I upgraded to MK2 and don't notice much difference (it was a small incremental update - still 4.3). The nice thing is that if you do manage to screw up MK2 or MJ7 you can always ODIN back to MJ7 and start fresh. MJ7 seems to be slightly better for flashing as you also have to flash the kernel module after each new rom and MJ7 has one on Hashcode's page whereas MK2's is "coming soon".
I have been using safestrap for over a year with my Razr prior to the SG4 - very stable and a huge help when you want to try multiple roms but not want the hassle of flashing back and forth between stock and custom roms. Just make sure you read all of Hashcode's instructions on using it.
He probably knows more about it than me I'm on MDK still.
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OK great. So if I do the OTA update Verizon is pushing, it will install each one individually so I can stop when I get to the one I want? It won't just go right to the most recent build?
Jim
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OK great. So if I do the OTA update Verizon is pushing, it will install each one individually so I can stop when I get to the one I want? It won't just go right to the most recent build?
Jim
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Yes. Correct. That one I do know!
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Ok I updated to MJ7. I'm getting this shield notification now that says it detected unauthorized access to a secured area. I searched and found this is an annoying issue that only seems to be fixed with a factory reset... ugh WTF? ! ? Samsung and Verizon are really starting to blow.
If I try and update this security thing it's it going to prevent me from rooting?
Any other way to stop it besides a factory reset?
Thanks,
Jim
calaski8123 said:
Ok I updated to MJ7. I'm getting this shield notification now that says it detected unauthorized access to a secured area. I searched and found this is an annoying issue that only seems to be fixed with a factory reset... ugh WTF? ! ? Samsung and Verizon are really starting to blow.
If I try and update this security thing it's it going to prevent me from rooting?
Any other way to stop it besides a factory reset?
Thanks,
Jim
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That's Knox. On the initial MJ7 build, it was raising that issue whenever you went from one WiFi access point to another.
If you allow it to update the policy, that defect goes away.
No need to factory reset.
If you root your phone, allow SuperSU to disable Knox and the problem will go away.
I just rooted my SG4 MK2 and that Knox thing showed up on my supersu access. It scared the crap out of me because I thought I was tripping it and on my way to hard bricking my phone. Thanks k1mu. I just hit disable and the shield went away.
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I could be entirely wrong, but after some conversation with @klabit87, I think we've found a useful little tidbit for people wanting to have root for NC5 and who have either just purchased a S4 with NC5, or have accidentally or intentionally taken NC5 OTA update and then find they'd like to have root on NC5. You just have to downgrade your bootloader from NC5 to NC2! From there, follow @Surge1223's instructions for downgrading from NC2 to MK2, get MK2 and root with saferoot, and then use @Surge1223's instructions for upgrading to NC5 with Root.
I apologize to the moderators and devs if I'm entirely out of line in posting this, and won't be offended if this thread is locked or deleted.
I think you lost me
It is my impression that NC5 OTA can downgrade to MK2 without needing root access via Odin.
From there root MK2 and move up the process to prerooted NC5.
I'm pretty sure on that. Anybody can downgrade via surge's method, rooted/unrooted.
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I think you lost me
It is my impression that NC5 OTA can downgrade to MK2 without needing root access via Odin.
From there root MK2 and move up the process to prerooted NC5.
I'm pretty sure on that. Anybody can downgrade via surge's method, rooted/unrooted.
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You are correct!
You had me excited there was a new exploit......
trying this now on my NC5, thanks again! will report back
Video please. and i didnt think you could odin back using one of the full tars.
Anyone have sucess, if so please share your steps.
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Video please. and i didnt think you could odin back using one of the full tars.
Anyone have sucess, if so please share your steps.
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If I've read @Surge1223 thread correctly, the tars are modified with different bits removed.
OK I am new to the android world and also to rooting, Ai was thinking about it before I took the update so? Is it possible to still root with the new NC5 build or are we still waiting ? If it's possible can anyone point me I. The right direction, to read up on ?
Does this require the wifi fix after reupgrading to rooted nc5? Thanks for sharing!
How to down grade
How does one go about downgrading, is there a thread somewhere I can look at?
That's what I asked.. guess I'll just wait till one comes available.
NC5
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2726868 for downgrading to MK2 and upgrading back to NC5 with root.
i took the OTA update to NC5 and followed this thread and it worked great. running 4.4.2 NC5 with root now. didnt have to do anything after for wifi. only thing is when youre downgrading theres 3 files to flash and i never let my phone try to boot (it says after step 2 your phone should boot but mine didnt [could be because i was impatient?]) i flashed the file, let it start rebooting, pull the battery, go back to odin, flash the next file, repeat until youre done flashing then let your phone boot all the way.
MmmMonster said:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2726868 for downgrading to MK2 and upgrading back to NC5 with root.
i took the OTA update to NC5 and followed this thread and it worked great. running 4.4.2 NC5 with root now. didnt have to do anything after for wifi. only thing is when youre downgrading theres 3 files to flash and i never let my phone try to boot (it says after step 2 your phone should boot but mine didnt [could be because i was impatient?]) i flashed the file, let it start rebooting, pull the battery, go back to odin, flash the next file, repeat until youre done flashing then let your phone boot all the way.
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I thought we wernt able to downgrade from nc5?
Can someone confirm this is correct before I attempt this on my phone
tmushy said:
I thought we wernt able to downgrade from nc5?
Can someone confirm this is correct before I attempt this on my phone
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Yea I haven't heard of others trying it this way. I've heard of people downgrading to NC2 and then downgrading to MK2 but i couldnt find anything on downgrading to NC2. I tried it and it worked for me but there could be nuances.
tmushy said:
I thought we wernt able to downgrade from nc5?
Can someone confirm this is correct before I attempt this on my phone
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We are able to downgrade from NC5 to MK2. Find Surges thread in the Dev section and follow the steps... Its quite easy too.
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We really need a video on how to root NC5 OTA by downgrading to clear this up. Anybody willing to make one?
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We really need a video on how to root NC5 OTA by downgrading to clear this up. Anybody willing to make one?
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Not a video but everyone is following one of these two threads:
Surge1223's - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2726868
gigilie's - http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2720163
Not to be an ass but why do you need a video? If you can't follow typed instructions its my opinion you have no business doing this stuff in the first place.
Sorry for the dumb question, but are we able to install safe strap once we've downgraded to mk2? Or are we stuck with the nc5 bootloader?
tmillz said:
Sorry for the dumb question, but are we able to install safe strap once we've downgraded to mk2? Or are we stuck with the nc5 bootloader?
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You are stuck on nc5 bootloader bit once rooted safestrap should work. I can't say 100% some I'm on nc2 myself
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Got a replacement from Verizon as soon as I turned it on OF1 was available to download. I was unable to stop it now am unable to root or downgrade to OC1. Has anyone else seen this?
Yeah. A test bit was probably blown or a qfuse... Some devs are working on it atm.
A good root method that worked on OC1( if you haven't done it) is the desktop version of Kingroot.
First to apologize since i'm probably the trillionth person to ask this question. Basically i'd like to know if we should expect root for OF1 or not.
I'm also curious? Will we see of1 rooted or boot unlocked?
Gosh darn I hope so.. $3000+ up for grabs to the person who can do it.
There will hopefully be a root, eventually. But, there will most likely never be a bootloader unlock for OF1
What about this hack? http://www.redmondpie.com/android-factory-reset-protection-can-be-bypassed-on-samsung-phones-video/
Will it help?
Spent a few hours trying to understand the idea of bootloader versioning etc. Finally found myself being on a stock OF1 without root or SS and a strong feeling that I don`t have any options at all for now?
So no way to get back to previous version, nor install any custom ROM, right?
Hi there. I just broke my s6 and so had to go back to my old s4, heh. I currently have a rooted OC1, and I was looking at the latest info on available root methods and see that the OF1 can be rooted using kingroot. My phone shows an OTA available but repeatedly fails when trying to update.
My question is, should I try to figure out what is causing the failure, update the "right" way, and then root with kingroot? Or should I just figure out another way to get the update, like I think the old way was to downgrade to OC1, root, then odin the OF1 update. Should I just do that?
This happens when you try to ota on a rom which has root or has been modified. Just dont update it doesnt add any features