So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
Audio quality seems fine to me. Rather average, but certainly not poor. I do hear some barely audible ticks through my headphones when nothing is playing, but haven't noticed them during playback. Some of the complaints about audio quality might be coming from those who dare to use the headphones supplied with the phone, as they are truly awful. The only real complaint I have is that button presses from my Sony headphones, which worked fine with my Titan, aren't recognized. Wonder if the music control / answer button works on any headphones other than the ones supplied.
Ricehead said:
So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
vnvman said:
Personally I would never use my phone for listening to music. The problem with each and (nearly) every one of them is the DAC, which is generally cheaper and less efficient compared to the one that comes with dedicated devices (just with some actually, the Cirrus DAC of the 4S/latest gen Apple devices is quite crap). Also, if you're an audiophile WP7 is probably the worse choice ever since the OS doesn't support FLAC. Honestly that's not a big deal to me because I still have to find a phone sounding as good as any device with a Wolfson DAC. To my knowledge there isn't a way to troubleshoot hardware, which is the main issue here. This coupled with the limits of the OS (limited audio format support) should really make you think about getting serious and grab some good music player, like Cowon ones, or even Sandisk or Creative ones if you wanna go cheaper. The only drawback is that once you've tried some real good audio hardware you'll never be able to go back to the crappy quality of a phone.
Anyway if you really want to use your phone for your music (which I don't recommend) then you should really consider getting an Android, the hardware might be more or less the same **** but at least you can play every format and you have some almost decent EQ solutions. Just my 2 cents...
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research on the Lumia's DAC and found that
It might, but most decent mobile DAC internally don't process above 600kbps or so (at least the zune HD does around there), though a bad studio also might use audio sources not upto the quality.
But I think there is noticeable noise with decent cans, even on a good audio source, at least with my ATH-M50s in a quiet area. Audio set to 5/30. It's noticeable every once in a while. Just a little bit of hissing after a song ends, and a little pop before the hissing stops. I'm using CD lossless rips (Zune converted to 256/320k) of Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, and Eminem CDs, for reference. If it was something like a recent Metallica CD, I'd blame it on the studio for sure .
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I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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Never knew about DAC's, Did a little research and found that
I bolded the relevant bits, Even at 600Kbps the audio should be more than decent, As for the Zune thing to the people who are complaining of ****e audio quality with the Nokia Music app, Make sure you have a 320Kbps .mp3 and have a listen i'd like some feedback please.
Back on topic, I'm 15 and you know how it is money is tight, Do you know of any stylish, cheap and good sounding audio players, Small and discreet would be a bonus, Nothing smaller than 4GB or a Micros SD slot would be nice too. £40/$63 Is probably the most i can afford.
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A year ago I wanted to purge myself of Apple, so I sold my iPod and picked up an inexpensive Sony Walkman E Series for $65USD. I'm quite impressed with its size and performance.
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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So i have heard and saw that the audio through headphones on the lumia 800 has been hideous but the update was said to improve the quality. I was just wondering if anyone had any improvements ?
Someone said that syncing the songs through Zune makes the audio as good as any other device, can anyone confirm ?
If there are still problems, We should try to identify it; Codecs, The Jack (With it supporting TRRS, Could = problems), The Nokia player, Bit rate capping... If you have any other ideas on what it could be post them and i will add and maybe someone with the know how could look into it for us.
My opinion leans towards it being Codec and Player related, Maybe Zune optimizes/translates the music files into a format that the codec reads best, This being said i doubt Nokia would go to the trouble in using a specifically optimized codec versus the range of high quality lossless codecs available at no expense.
Does anyone know if the Lumia 800 plays .FLAC (one of the highest bit rates and quality music formats) ?
I use JVC HA-FX34 in ear headphones, I cant really say much about the earphone qulity side of problems but my Blackberry (Yeah i had one ) and my android tablet played 320Kbps Mp3's well, As far as my experience goes in producing bass these are up there, There is no song i haven't listened to where the bass hasn't been sufficient with these earphones. I Listen to alot of bass dependant songs too, Over 800 Drum and Bass and Dubstep songs between my two devices, That said when i get my Lumia (2 Days ) ill tell you if there really is something wrong with the bass after the update and to see if we can troubleshoot the remaining problems.
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
sHaHiN786 said:
Even Nokia agree with the quality of the sound being poor, that's why they are updating it, anybody who believe that it ain't are just in denial, defending Nokia, god knows why, I hope they're getting paid for it. I hope the update solves it, would love if they added an equalizer.
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From what i can make out Nokia cant do anything to the firm/software to improve it, In my eyes they should make a revised version with as many bugs as possible fixed and offer a straight swap for your current Lumia.
gtg465x said:
Also, I would check your Zune settings before syncing music. By default Zune will compress anything above 192kbps down to save space on your device. Most of my collection is 256kbps or 320kbps mp3s so I unchecked that option.
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Noted, +1, Thank you
vnvman said:
Honestly I have to admit I've never tried CD rips on a WP7 device so I cannot tell if it's good or bad. I'll try that as soon as i get the phone. Anyway some issues with non-dedicated devices are e.g. the fact that generally they have some noise in the output due to the fact that they have a radio unit and a noisy cpu. I had a GS2 a while ago and that was really painful. Looking at the review on gsmarena it seems like the lumia has some problems with stereo crosstalk and tends to cut-off bass frequencies, so that may actually be a concern for someone listening to your kind of music I guess...
If you want a good player, both decent looking and powerful you may have alook at the Creative Zen X-Fi Style. Other options may be the Sandisk Sansa Clip+, with the same sound quality and half the price, but that's definitely not so fancy looking. Cowon devices are very good too, but some of them, especially the lower end ones have a pretty gimmicky interface and they're not exactly "hair-thin" or cool to look at, despite packing the best output quality and EQ (hardware based); anyway they also cost a bit more (around 100€), so they may not be your cup of tea. I have the C2 right now, it's rather plain and the interface is super-gimmicky and unituitive, but the the sound quality is worth it for me. It also has a very long lasting battery (almost 50 hrs) and has a microsd slot which is a pretty cool feature IMHO.
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Might get the Sansa has some good features and is super cheap, +1 for the input.
Lumia is lacking of bass, it's ok with monster purity, but with my Creative EP630 it's almost poor quality
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The update for the audio and camera is coming soon by the way, no eta's so far.
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Looking forward to it
gtg465x said:
People who prefer lossless audio codecs and use $100+ headphones (aka audiophiles) might have that opinion, but not the average person. I'm no audiophile, but I am definitely more picky than the average person about sound quality. I can greatly appreciate the difference between low end headphones (the ones included with most devices or any that can be purchased for less than $40 generally) and even a mid-range pair ($40-$100). I have no problem with the Lumia 800. Sound quality isn't as good as my old Galaxy S that had a Wolfson DAC, but it's still acceptable and allows me to enjoy my music on the go. I definitely have no reason to defend Nokia. I haven't owned one since the days of dumbphones, I own three other high end phones, and I didn't even pay for my Lumia 800 as it was a gift.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
Ricehead said:
Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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It's my understanding (read it a while ago) that major Windows Phone software updates are supposed to be compatible two devices back.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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Not so the HTC HD2 running 6.5 was not upgrade able to WP7, Attached is a screenshot of a question from the answers.microsoft site, No WP8 for WP7.5 makes me a sad bunny.
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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I haven't received any firmware update, but I got the 8107 OS update the first time I plugged in my device so I never really used the phone on 7740 or whatever it was on previously.
I did try the headphones that came with the phone and audio quality with those was indeed awful, but that's something I expected and with my own headphones audio quality is fine (average for a modern smartphone).
Ricehead said:
Have you ever experienced such "problems" as described by other users before the update perhaps, or have you enjoyed it from the start.
As a random question to everyone, Do you know if Windows Phone 7.5 users will be able to update to WP8 or will there be a new range of phones.
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Yes, it will, it has been confirmed that our handset will, can't find the link for it.
The link to confirm the audio issue is being dealt with: http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2012...bout-lumia-800-battery-life-audio-and-camera/
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I know it's semantical, but the HD2 is/was not Windows Phone. It's Windows Mobile... a completely different OS.
And... yes... the HD2 is fully capable of running Mango with ease. It's just cannot be officially updated to it.
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So really im just a dumbass because i didnt even realise there was a difference and that the lumia will be more than likely be able to run Apollo
Lost my Samsung Captivate at home a few hours ago... (Either I just temporarily misplaced it or my crackhead Sister stole it). Had no service, but was using it as a glorified MP3 Player as my work place tells us not to use phones on the production floor. (Stupid work place, I know) Anyway, wondering if there were a better phone out there for cheap? $75-100 range, maybe more. Currently just searching ebay prices...and stumbled on Bad ESNs. Sounds like a good deal to me probably should get something newer, better, and faster any way. Cappy wasn't bad it just kept dying randomly, mostly when it went to sleep mode. Sometimes I could just hold the power and it'd reboot, other times I had to do a battery pull first.
List of things I'm sort of looking for...
Android (Going to Root and flash ROMs, seems faster, was using Captivating M3 on my Cappy... any device with good android development support, speed, stability and reliablilty)
WiFi (No network needed OR WANTED, so even bad ESN seems like a good choice, unless there's something else I should know about phones with bad ESNs, I'm not looking to activate this ever)
Bluetooth (So I can use wireless headset, always seem to have my wired earphone tangled and pulled off my ears at work)
16GB storage (Maybe a bit overkill though since I only have around 670 mp3s and 20-something videos, but I 'm thinking I won't get a MicroSD card.)
Video (I download mostly 720p videos so something capable of playing 720p video easily)
Searching 'Bad ESN' on eBay's currently showing Samsung Galaxy S 2s &3s, HTC One X, HTC Evo, Nexus S so scoping those out.
Any suggestions, comments, concerns about what-to-stay-away-from, or look-out-for would be greatly appreciated, even if it's just to tell me I should just buy a bluetooth/wifi/video/mp3 player instead. I've had mp3, video/mp3 players years before but they just don't seem to last very long. Never had wifi/bluetooth video/mp3 players though. Also are there any roms made for devices with phone/text support removed or ways to do it?
Thanks.
EDIT: Did some more reading and seen some things about needing to bypassing activation (some devices more persistent than others, any details about this would be nice too, like ease of bypassing since I'd like it to boot up as normal and not have to wait and go through activation everytime, I won't have to do that will I? Just once and I'm good?) I'm trying to read as much as I can but it's a broad net I'm casting and any help/comments/suggestions would be great. Thanks again.
Hi all,
Been reading a lot of the excellent information from the various threads on the Android head units. Thoroughly excited then quite disappointed when errors seem to be commonplace after a short time.
So which in your esteemed knowledge is currently the best of the Chinese Android Head Units, for reliability and functionality?
Personally, I've had units in the past from Eonon and Chinavasion, and they both developed errors after a while (the Chinavasion unit was much better though, it's only issue's were the GPS failing (just died), and some intermittant errors which a power recycle (turn off/on) sorted out.
I have a Pioneer touch-screen unit in the car at the moment, and although it's been super reliable, having to convert video's to specific Divx resolutions is a major pita.
So I've been researching for a touch-screen unit which can handle multiple video formats without having to convert too many on my pc beforehand. Not bothered about GPS, bluetooth, or DVD. Just want video, usb port on the front (proper usb connection, not micro/mini), and radio. And obviously the ability to customise to my own tastes. This will be for a Nissan Cubic we just bought, and will be connected to a rear flip-down monitor and reverse camera.
Btw, which is better for reliability: Pure Android, or Android with WinCE? According to the Wiki, Android is just the pretty face of the MCU, so what's the point of pure Android?
Omarko is a forum member who I also have chatted to on Whirlpool. He had a bit of a nightmare with one unit (from AliBaba), which is based on this build:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2528349
He then ordered the following unit, which he says has been very reliable so far:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=331089665694&ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:AU:1123
Would you suggest this as one of the better built units?
If this is in the wrong thread could the mods please move it to the correct one, and notify me?
OK, I'm going to talk insanely to myself.....
others: Well, good question, and the answer is that really none are reliable at all, so you're better off spending big on a name brand which does half the things.
me: Surely there is a particular unit which is better built than the others?
Others: Well, actually there is the ......... , which many forum members recommend, but as you probably read on the Wiki, it has these particular peculiarities: .....
me: Hey thanks, I really appreciate your opinion and information. What a great forum!
Hi _StormZ_
I guess you won't be reading a reply to your posts 9 months later, but someone might.
As you have discovered (me too, and many others), if you are looking for a reliable car head unit, stay away from these non-branded (even "branded") units from China. They are good for developers because there is always something to fix (until they die prematurely). If you want Android and reliable, wait until some of brand names (Alpine, Pioneer, Kenwood...) start making them (maybe they do already).
Hi Everyone,
I've been given a V60 with dual screen and it's been factory reset. the previous owner told me it had great sound, but needed a complicated set up to get the most out of it, knowing I'm an audio quality lover, very tech ignorant and without anything portable. I listen mainly to classical, cd on a home system and DAB radio when not with my cds. I have a dated iphone 6s as my main phone, as feared the complications of Android and wanted hassle free. I'm not going to give that up, as I am dependent on it for family and work (too important for me to be stuck on Android.) However, I need a portable player for pleasure and to learn/lose fear of Android!
Does anyone have any advice or pointers of how to set up and use the V60 and learn to get to grips with the music audio features. I'll cross the "how to get 2500 classical cds music into digital" bridge when I get to it. I'm considering avoiding the headache by getting an online subscription and keeping my life. Many thanks in advance, and forgive my annoying ignorance.
seneca196 said:
Hi Everyone,
I've been given a V60 with dual screen and it's been factory reset. the previous owner told me it had great sound, but needed a complicated set up to get the most out of it, knowing I'm an audio quality lover, very tech ignorant and without anything portable. I listen mainly to classical, cd on a home system and DAB radio when not with my cds. I have a dated iphone 6s as my main phone, as feared the complications of Android and wanted hassle free. I'm not going to give that up, as I am dependent on it for family and work (too important for me to be stuck on Android.) However, I need a portable player for pleasure and to learn/lose fear of Android!
Does anyone have any advice or pointers of how to set up and use the V60 and learn to get to grips with the music audio features. I'll cross the "how to get 2500 classical cds music into digital" bridge when I get to it. I'm considering avoiding the headache by getting an online subscription and keeping my life. Many thanks in advance, and forgive my annoying ignorance.
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Yes, the V60 has excellent audio capabilities. You won't find much info on this forum, but I can help get you started. First, the phone has a very respectable built-in DAC. If you have (wired) low impedance headphones or earphones, you can listen to audio straight through the jack. However, you like many audiophiles likely have high impedance phones. To properly support those, you'll need an outboard headphone amp.
Another advantage of Android is it will play nice with outboard USB DACs. I have an iFi DAC / headphone amp that will play high res PCM & DSD audio with only a USB C to USB A adapter. No extra drivers are necessary. If you want to play DSD audio, you will need appropriate software such as Neutron player. It's very configurable which makes it a bit difficult to set up. However, once it is, it works to play any resolution files your DAC supports. And the trial version works to test it all out before shelling out any money to pay for the app.
Oh, one other very handy aspect of at least previous-generation Android devices is the inclusion of an SD card slot. Want to rip your CD collection to FLAC files to listen to on your phone? Buy an appropriately-sized microSD card, and copy away. The version of my V60 has 128GB onboard. With a 512GB card installed, I've quadrupled my internal storage. Apple would never offer something that prohibits them from charging more money for more storage. Other manufacturers have unfortunately followed suit. (Don't let me get started on the 3.5mm jack.)
Beyond this, you can look to audio forums such as Head-fi.org to further your understanding on how to coax the best sound from your device. It's not rocket science, but there are some more tips and tricks to be had. A small caveat is that, despite the convenience of the double screens, you lose access to a real-world USB connector. I'm unaware if anyone has found a magnetic cable that handles more than charging. I cannot tell you the last time I used my second screen. It's too bad, really!
cheers,
-c