Hello all!
Please excuse the n00b questions!
Here are all the phone specs ---
Android Version: 4.4.2
Baseband Version: I545VRUFNC5
Kernel Version: 3.4.0 [email protected] #1
Build Number: KOT49H.I545VRUFNC5
SE for Android Status: Enforcing SEPF_SCH-I5445_4.4.2_0011
Secure Boot Status - Type: Samsung
Hardware Version: I545.07
Security Software Version: MDF v1.0 Release 2
Now I have disabled and *removed* KNOX (using NoBloat)
Like a lot of people, I absolutely HATE the new look of the UI (the S3 was great).
I would like to know what new ROMs I can use with this unit, and also what steps I need to take to install them.
Thanks SO much for any assistance!
(Sorry, I didn't realize this should have been posted in the Q&A section, and I can't seem to move it)
Can A Mod Please move This Post?
I don't want to cross-post it in the Q&A before someone tries to move it.
Surprised that no one has responded (or bothered to)
DeathStalker77 said:
I don't want to cross-post it in the Q&A before someone tries to move it.
Surprised that no one has responded (or bothered to)
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Simple research.... There is a stickie in general forum
sent via safestrap 3.72 and echo v25.1! !
decaturbob said:
Simple research.... There is a stickie in general forum
sent via safestrap 3.72 and echo v25.1! !
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I *did* look in the General forum - I did not find anything that matched my specs - LOTS for other specs, but not mine.
Some *specifics* would be appreciated.
DeathStalker77 said:
I *did* look in the General forum - I did not find anything that matched my specs - LOTS for other specs, but not mine.
Some *specifics* would be appreciated.
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You have a nc5 Kitkat base phone.... Plenty of info and I said before there is a stickie in the general forum you need to look at
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In the time it took you to post 2 referrals to the same forum you *could* have simply ANSWERED the question.
There is plenty of info on MDK and ME7 versions, I do not see ANY posts on my specific version, and YES, I have looked.
Doing a search in the general forum for "MDF" turns up ZERO results.
So again, YOU say there are posts specific to my model and firmware, yet the site's search indicates that is not the case.
Please prove the site wrong.
DeathStalker77 said:
In the time it took you to post 2 referrals to the same forum you *could* have simply ANSWERED the question.
There is plenty of info on MDK and ME7 versions, I do not see ANY posts on my specific version, and YES, I have looked.
Doing a search in the general forum for "MDF" turns up ZERO results.
So again, YOU say there are posts specific to my model and firmware, yet the site's search indicates that is not the case.
Please prove the site wrong.
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Um I'm might've just answered this in another thread, not sure if that was you, but you have to look at the last three letters of the alphanumeric code under "build number". The security software is irrelevant. As @decaturbob said, you have an nc5 phone, we have lots of helpful members who spent a lot of time making guides to teach you about what you can and can't do with your phone. These guides are either stickied or in one of the couple first pages of the general section. Good luck
Hi joshm!
I saw the stickies and I saw the references to NC5, but most of them also make reference to MDK, so I'm confused - NC5 is one build and MDK is another build?
I see this note (and DOH! I didn't even realize it was decaturbob who made the post <faceplant>) - All revisions of the I545 after MDK (ME7, MI1, MJ7, MK2) can NOT have a custom recovery, only Safestrap can be used.
I see posts about dropping back to MK2 from NC5 in order to root (mine is already rooted with TowelRoot).
If the *only* way to get a custom ROM on my unit at this time (and I'm looking at CM11 mostly) is with SafeStrap and bootslots, then I'll just wait it out - can't be bothered with that much hassle
You have to remember, what seems *simple* for you experts, may not be for the layman. By the same token, the stuff *I* do for a living, might seem complicated to you I know Windoze, but not jack-squat about Linux/Android. I can do just about anything technical on a desktop in my sleep, but phones are still pretty much a mystery to me
DeathStalker77 said:
Hi joshm!
I saw the stickies and I saw the references to NC5, but most of them also make reference to MDK, so I'm confused - NC5 is one build and MDK is another build?
I see this note (and DOH! I didn't even realize it was decaturbob who made the post <faceplant>) - All revisions of the I545 after MDK (ME7, MI1, MJ7, MK2) can NOT have a custom recovery, only Safestrap can be used.
I see posts about dropping back to MK2 from NC5 in order to root (mine is already rooted with TowelRoot).
If the *only* way to get a custom ROM on my unit at this time (and I'm looking at CM11 mostly) is with SafeStrap and bootslots, then I'll just wait it out - can't be bothered with that much hassle
You have to remember, what seems *simple* for you experts, may not be for the layman. By the same token, the stuff *I* do for a living, might seem complicated to you I know Windoze, but not jack-squat about Linux/Android. I can do just about anything technical on a desktop in my sleep, but phones are still pretty much a mystery to me
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You can use towel root method to root.... You can install 3.72 safestrap and then install any ss compatible roms.... The process isn't complicate but you have to take some time to read and research. Several YouTube videos available....
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Let me first say I've looked through the forums and can't find a direct answer to this, so I hope this doesn't bother you guys.
I just bought the noteII yesterday and so far it looks like I'm selling the iPhone5 (why'd it take me so long?)
I do want to root my noteII so I can use the secure setting and other plugins with Tasker mostly. Plus just having full control.
Seems I have Android 4.1.1 with Baseband version I605VRALL4 and Build JR003C.I605VRALL4 (kernel 3.0.31-414933)
Now I'm a mac user so one question is - is there a way to do this through mac? if it possible...second is if it's not how long until it looks like it might be? gives me time to find a windows PC.
snickn said:
Let me first say I've looked through the forums and can't find a direct answer to this, so I hope this doesn't bother you guys.
I just bought the noteII yesterday and so far it looks like I'm selling the iPhone5 (why'd it take me so long?)
I do want to root my noteII so I can use the secure setting and other plugins with Tasker mostly. Plus just having full control.
Seems I have Android 4.1.1 with Baseband version I605VRALL4 and Build JR003C.I605VRALL4 (kernel 3.0.31-414933)
Now I'm a mac user so one question is - is there a way to do this through mac? if it possible...second is if it's not how long until it looks like it might be? gives me time to find a windows PC.
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You will need a windows PC with the samsung drivers installed as well as ODIN.
Yes you can still root, but you cannot unlock the bootloader at this time because your phone has accepted the OTA - so flashing custom ROM's, kernel's, etc. is out. All the info you need is in this thread to root (if you have a VERIZON Note2):
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2024207
Use the route66 image (there are three listed to choose from, be sure to pick route66) - there is lots of information on what you want to do in the latter 15 pages of that thread.
stop after section 1a.
Honestly though out of the box the phone is outstanding, and without an unlock method for the bootloader, I'd recommend doing nothing. Too many people have already borked their phones due to lack of experience, knowledge, reading the steps correctly...you get the idea. I'm not commenting on your knowledge, just saying what I would do after reading as much as I could find here on this phone. The terrific devs will come up with a way to unlock and root the post OTA version soon enough.
Honestly the two things that is causing me to want to unlock it is I can't seem to get Tasker to control lockscreen properly. I have it setup to detect what cell towers I'm on and not lock in the house - and yet...it continually locks. Shows I'm on that cell tower, just seems like it can't properly control the lockscreen.
Secondly, I'd like to make GPS only come on when certain apps are open - and that seems to be a root only feature.
Reason enough for me :thumbup:
courtesy of my unlocked Note2
after these steps, will I get OTA for current security fixed updated?
alu1008 said:
after these steps, will I get OTA for current security fixed updated?
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You know I'm going to forgive you this time for not reading the OP and then the other giant thread on it but come on man, seriously.
If you have a brand new phone and you took the OTA, you can still root. Just do NOT try to install a custom recovery, kernel, rom, etc.
If you are rooted and you took the OTA, you should still be rooted OR you will already have root installed. Again, you CANNOT install a custom recovery, kernel, or rom, etc.
alu1008 said:
after these steps, will I get OTA for current security fixed updated?
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You will get prompted. Defer the OTA then freeze or uninstall SDM 1.0 using Titanium Backup from the Play Store.
You can get the OTA applied using a safe zip made by Adryn...its a thread in the General section I think.
The threads are full of questions and answers on this topic.
courtesy of my unlocked Note2
ILMF said:
Too many people have already borked their phones due to lack of experience, knowledge, reading the steps correctly...you get the idea. I'm not commenting on your knowledge, just saying what I would do after reading as much as I could find here on this phone. The terrific devs will come up with a way to unlock and root the post OTA version soon enough.
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People bork their phones all the time. Samsung phones are the easiest to "fix". It amazes me that even with step by step videos people still get things wrong. Life is about living and learning. If you screw it up 9 times out 10 it can be fixed.
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Hello! I apologize for asking something that's fairly basic. I went to install some ROMs onto my Verizon Galaxy S4 and realized something. The ROM I was about to install is i9505, which I figured was my phone. But when I'm on the Verizon S4 forums and while I was checking my phone's model number, I realized everything says SCH-I545. Which leads me to a few questions.
What exactly should I be looking for when I want to install a ROM onto my phone?
Are Verizon S4 phones bootloader locked? or is it just the newest update? What does that mean for us?
What exactly are i9505 phones?
Sometimes it's hard for me to find direct answers to questions like these as I'm not a super active member in rooting forums. I appreciate your help very much.
Zantillian said:
Hello! I apologize for asking something that's fairly basic. I went to install some ROMs onto my Verizon Galaxy S4 and realized something. The ROM I was about to install is i9505, which I figured was my phone. But when I'm on the Verizon S4 forums and while I was checking my phone's model number, I realized everything says SCH-I545. Which leads me to a few questions.
What exactly should I be looking for when I want to install a ROM onto my phone?
Are Verizon S4 phones bootloader locked? or is it just the newest update? What does that mean for us?
What exactly are i9505 phones?
Sometimes it's hard for me to find direct answers to questions like these as I'm not a super active member in rooting forums. I appreciate your help very much.
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Welcome!
First of all, those (i9505 and SCH-I545) are model numbers. 9505 is international and I545 is verizon.
Secondly, the bootloader is unlocked for all versions of the Verizon model. However, there is a workaround for a custom recovery for the MDK build. If you are on the ME7 build, you can only root.
Rooting guides should be on the general form, and MDK loki exploit (which allows recovery installation) is also here. If you are on ME7, you can install safestrap after rooting, which kinda lets you install ROMs, through booting on top of stock.
For ROMS that work with Verizon's check out Verizon Samsung Galaxy s 4 > Android Development or Original Android Devlopment.
JaeKay said:
Welcome!
First of all, those (i9505 and SCH-I545) are model numbers. 9505 is international and I545 is verizon.
Secondly, the bootloader is unlocked for all versions of the Verizon model. However, there is a workaround for a custom recovery for the MDK build. If you are on the ME7 build, you can only root.
Rooting guides should be on the general form, and MDK loki exploit (which allows recovery installation) is also here. If you are on ME7, you can install safestrap after rooting, which kinda lets you install ROMs, through booting on top of stock.
For ROMS that work with Verizon's check out Verizon Samsung Galaxy s 4 > Android Development or Original Android Devlopment.
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Just to clarify he means the bootloader is LOCKED for all verizon s4's. In the development section there is several touch wiz based roms, hyperdrive seems to be the most popular at the moment. the original dev section houses mostly aosp based roms, so between the 2 sections there is a ton of different rom choices. Battery life, stability, and customization are generally the most sought after features.
Hit thanks if I helped you out. Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way. Sent via tapatalk.
JaeKay said:
Welcome!
First of all, those (i9505 and SCH-I545) are model numbers. 9505 is international and I545 is verizon.
Secondly, the bootloader is unlocked for all versions of the Verizon model. However, there is a workaround for a custom recovery for the MDK build. If you are on the ME7 build, you can only root.
Rooting guides should be on the general form, and MDK loki exploit (which allows recovery installation) is also here. If you are on ME7, you can install safestrap after rooting, which kinda lets you install ROMs, through booting on top of stock.
For ROMS that work with Verizon's check out Verizon Samsung Galaxy s 4 > Android Development or Original Android Devlopment.
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Thank you. I do have MDK build and have stayed there from hearing about ME7. Thanks for your help.
hexitnow said:
Just to clarify he means the bootloader is LOCKED for all verizon s4's. In the development section there is several touch wiz based roms, hyperdrive seems to be the most popular at the moment. the original dev section houses mostly aosp based roms, so between the 2 sections there is a ton of different rom choices. Battery life, stability, and customization are generally the most sought after features.
Hit thanks if I helped you out. Doing a little bit of reading goes a long way. Sent via tapatalk.
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Hello all,
So I received my new to me S4, and prior to activating it I wanted to Fist get rid of Knox and put on a custom ROM.However, after much reading I am just more confused. I hoping that someone will just give me the Dummies guide to rooting, nixn' Knox and installing a custom ROM (hyperdrive, or CM).
Like first go download these apps, next do this, then that, kinda instructions.
the phone I received is an:
SCH-i545
Android Version 4.4.2
Baseband I545VRUFNC5
Kernal 3.4.0 [email protected]#1
Build# K0T49H.I545VRUFNC%
SE for Android Status: Enforcing; SEPF_SCH_I545_4.4.2_0011
Secure boot Status Type: Samsung
Security software version: MDF v1.0 Release 2
Hope this is not too much info, but I read all kind of post that seem to condradict one another, just when I think I've found the info I read something else that makes me feel this could lead to disaster. Please help. The last android I had was a Droid Eris, and things seem to have changed quite a bit.
Thanks
Trey
Starksky said:
Hello all,
So I received my new to me S4, and prior to activating it I wanted to Fist get rid of Knox and put on a custom ROM.However, after much reading I am just more confused. I hoping that someone will just give me the Dummies guide to rooting, nixn' Knox and installing a custom ROM (hyperdrive, or CM).
Like first go download these apps, next do this, then that, kinda instructions.
the phone I received is an:
SCH-i545
Android Version 4.4.2
Baseband I545VRUFNC5
Kernal 3.4.0 [email protected]#1
Build# K0T49H.I545VRUFNC%
SE for Android Status: Enforcing; SEPF_SCH_I545_4.4.2_0011
Secure boot Status Type: Samsung
Security software version: MDF v1.0 Release 2
Hope this is not too much info, but I read all kind of post that seem to condradict one another, just when I think I've found the info I read something else that makes me feel this could lead to disaster. Please help. The last android I had was a Droid Eris, and things seem to have changed quite a bit.
Thanks
Trey
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Read my whole post linked below. It is accurate. Do not upgrade to NG6, it is a pain and has root but no custom rom capability (yet). On NC5 however, you can flash a ROM using Safestrap (Do not use the safestrap linked in the thread below (3.72), use the safestrap in the general forum (3.75)). DO NOT FLASH TWRP OR CWM. We have a locked bootloader and flashing those is impossible as of yet.
With safestrap, you cannot flash CM, AOSP, or anything that contains a custom kernel. You can flash Hyperdrive, eclipse, and in rare cases Google Edition (The Safestrap version only!!! Not the normal Google edition!)
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2784138
Thanks npjohnson! very helpful, slow day here in Cisco VOIP land so, I was messing around and got Towelroot, and Root checker. After those two, I installed SuperSU, Thanks Tomsgt! It has all worked so far and SuperSU as apparently disabled Knox…. So Im on my way here. Your post should now take me all the way home. Thanks again! :highfive:
So I just got handed an S4 from a co-worker, I just spent an hour looking up info on root and stuff to load custom roms (looking mainly for CM11). My main problem seems to be all the shortened terms and everything associated with this phone, root vs unlocked bootloader vs etc, MK2?? NC5??. I can't seem to find any "newb" friendly breakdown of all of this. This isn't my first hacked device by far (I got an old DiNC and a ReZound for my last 2), but definitely the most confusing one. So here's the info I got on my phone: Galaxy S4, Verizon, SCH-I545, Android 4.4.2, VRUFNC5, hardware version: I545.06.
Can anyone point me in the right directions to understand better, and get me to my final destination of Custom rom? Or at least get me to understand this better?
I did search the first 5 pages of every section to see if there was a "newb-friendly" sticky but didn't seem to go anywhere fast, just made me more confused.
tong6998 said:
So I just got handed an S4 from a co-worker, I just spent an hour looking up info on root and stuff to load custom roms (looking mainly for CM11). My main problem seems to be all the shortened terms and everything associated with this phone, root vs unlocked bootloader vs etc, MK2?? NC5??. I can't seem to find any "newb" friendly breakdown of all of this. This isn't my first hacked device by far (I got an old DiNC and a ReZound for my last 2), but definitely the most confusing one. So here's the info I got on my phone: Galaxy S4, Verizon, SCH-I545, Android 4.4.2, VRUFNC5, hardware version: I545.06.
Can anyone point me in the right directions to understand better, and get me to my final destination of Custom rom? Or at least get me to understand this better?
I did search the first 5 pages of every section to see if there was a "newb-friendly" sticky but didn't seem to go anywhere fast, just made me more confused.
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The problem with a simple "newb friendly" page is that every update to the phone changes what you need to do to root and what you can run.
For your NC5 phone, you need to use Towelroot to root it. That gets you root, but you're stuck with the stock bootloader. That means that you can't directly run a custom ROM. You can use Safestrap to allocate space for an alternative ROM, which is almost the same as a fully unlocked phone. The big thing you lose is that you can't run arbitrary ROMs, just what's compatible with the stock kernel. No CM, no AOSP.
So, read up on Towelroot and Safestrap. Once you have those down, you should be n the way.
Yeah, I got towel root already installed, supersu running and added to system and Knox disabled. Where should I be looking at roms that I can run under safestrap? Or should I say which section of the forums? Thank you for your response btw.
tong6998 said:
Yeah, I got towel root already installed, supersu running and added to system and Knox disabled. Where should I be looking at roms that I can run under safestrap? Or should I say which section of the forums? Thank you for your response btw.
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Usually, roms that are compatible with safestrap are labeled as such. Since nc5 doesn't allow custom kernels, you will stuck with touchwiz kernels, so usually the roms will look like the stock samsung experience or a themed version. If you want an aosp themed safestrap rom, get eclipse rom. If you want a 99% gpe s4 rom download the gpe edition safestrap rom( it has some bugs though).
Usually roms are located at the "Android development" section of the forum. The gpe rom thread is in the general section.
tong6998 said:
Yeah, I got towel root already installed, supersu running and added to system and Knox disabled. Where should I be looking at roms that I can run under safestrap? Or should I say which section of the forums? Thank you for your response btw.
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The thing to keep in mind, is that safestrap loads too late to be able to replace the kernel. This is the limiting factor, your stuck on the stock kernel... Different versions of android and different versions of kernels may have slightly different functions/parameters coded into the kernel, so calling a newer function or calling a function with parameters that no longer match the new style will fail.... so if the rom wasn't directly designed for the stock kernel of the same version your using it likely won't work.
In practice that means you need a rom based on TW, that is the same version (NC5) as you are currently using. Not sure but there are likely a few changes the Rom make needs to add for safe strap compatibility... Basically when you look at the Rom's thread it will list a baseband (NC5) and say its safestrap compatible.
Thanks to all of you, that clears up a lot of confusion I had. Now where do I find out (or how do I decifer) if I'm MJ7/MK2/ME7/MI1? Or am I correct in assuming I'm NOT (all the builds I see for safestrap mention those only no NC5.
All,
Originally posted a request for help in the Galaxy S4 International forum for using Odin to downgrade my Verizon Galaxy S4 SCH-I545 from Lollipop to KitKat.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4/help/odin-fails-to-downgrade-galaxy-s4-t3278803
Eventually one helpful guy mentioned that Verizon crippled this device with a locked bootloader, (or a mismatched age/version of the bootloader) something never even hinted at in ANY instructions I've ever found for using Odin. I'm really disappointed in the Lollipop version that I've been stuck with, mainly due to the slowdowns on the phone and the need to kill off all apps at least every day., and the need to hit buttons multiple times before enough system resources clear up and it does what I want. All I wanted to do was go to an earlier version, and it looks like that might not be possible.
I see forum posts talking about rooting this version of the phone, but I don't have a handle on what good that will do for me in my particular situation. Now that I've found the correct forum, any suggestions? Part of me likes the idea of rooting and debloating to speed things up, but if I can't downgrade and the performance reduction is just a function of the version of Android I'm stuck with, then I don't see the point in wasting even more days of my life fighting this aging phone.
Oh, and as an aside, what the hell is OC1 and OF1? Can't find anywhere that explains what the heck they're talking about. My best guess is they're versions of firmware, are the designations just random?
Thanks!
Ryan
I'll try to write you some things i've learned about this device, hope it helps you
Samsung Galaxy S4 Verizon SCH-I545 has the same specs than others Qualcomm Galaxy S4, but this one is managed by Verizon to distribute, update software, etc... That means, even when it has the same hardware than others it will have some differences on software and limitations. Now, let's talk about our "charming" bootloader:
When we talk about bootloader, we use as reference the last 3 characters of bootloader version (this also applies to firmware, kernel), you can get your bootloader version by running this command on terminal emulator getprop ro.bootloader (this is why we refer to lollipop OC1, OF1, to kitkat NG5, NG6, NK1 and so on) when you get a software update almost always your bootloader is updated. Only MDK bootloader (first firmware released) was unlocked. After that, Verizon decided to start locking the bootloader to prevent rooting, software downgrade... So, why don't we unlock the bootloader? because they used something called qfuse, the qfuse is hardware related and when it's triggered (updated) cannot be untriggered (downgraded).
After reading this you may be really dissapointed and thinking to get another device, I was in that situation, but you can root your device (this means, you can debloat and do something to speed your s4), even you can install a custom rom's (they're really nice), maybe it's not the best solution, but, hey! it's really better than stay stuck with device stock rom. Btw, you cannot downgrade with custom roms, you can just install those that are meant for your bootloader or higher.
Edgardo_Uchiha said:
After reading this you may be really dissapointed and thinking to get another device...
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That is what I'm leaning towards. The frustrating part is the time wasted trying this in the first place. I think I'm just going to cut my losses, suffer my crippled phone with quiet grace and dignity, and replace it at some point.
Thanks for all the help!
Ryan
So, is there any way to root a Galaxy S4 verizon phone with 5.0.1 (Lollipop)?? I've been reading threads and how-tos and trying various techniques for several hours with zero success.
Don't despair too much. There is a great dev who has provided the means to flash a very stripped down version of Lollipop OC1. I can honestly say that, in the 2-1/2 years I've owned this device, it has never run better since installing his ROM.
It is still a Touchwiz ROM, but everything, and I do mean everything that can be considered crapware has been removed from this ROM. The result? a slim, sleek user experience that will cause you to never look back (considering we will NEVER have a true AOSP ROM for our device.
Check his link out below. Read everything and make sure you understand what you have now and what you will need to do. Then study some more. It took me a month before finally feeling confident to make the plunge. Even then I needed help, but got all I needed from the good folks...especially Stang5litre, on the discussion board.
Good luck!
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-verizon/development/stang5litre-ediition-5-0-t3132555
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gonyere said:
So, is there any way to root a Galaxy S4 verizon phone with 5.0.1 (Lollipop)?? I've been reading threads and how-tos and trying various techniques for several hours with zero success.
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Presuming you are on OF1, have a look here...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s4-verizon/general/root-of1-t3249971
jwhistler said:
Don't despair too much. There is a great dev who has provided the means to flash a very stripped down version of Lollipop OC1.
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Just took a peek, that looks well beyond me, and at least a dozen times more complex than the tantalizing downgrade forum posts that pulled me down this road in the first place. Heck, pretty much every other word is some acronym I've never heard of. Thanks though, I'll pass.