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What CSCs are you generally getting from resellers? Latest European?
Anyone buy from NewEgg? (30 day exchange for issue laden device)
What are the pitfalls if any with using International Versions on ATT. I can see the advantages.
Flashing methods seem to be the same from what I am reading. Even A TiBu restore may work from a saved folder from the Captivate. Have not read of any differences there in apps or TiBu.
VPN settings work?
Been looking to get this handset but not sure about about a few processes. I am guessing MobileTech can unbrick one of these should I have an issue as they did one of my Captivates. I have not read of any US repair support expected.
USA Buyer
I have a SGII here in US, bought from onthegosolutions.com, works well on AT&T sim card. No setup issues, nothing to complain about but the problems with the native email app and activesync exchange server, that is supposed to be fixed in KE7 if I can ever get it.
The phone is the standard EU version XWKE2
I got mine from Amazon and the CSC was from Chile. Flashed the generic European ROM soon after to update the build to KE7. Everything has been working fine before and after flashing and rooting.
THanks for the replies. Being a "noob" to non branded Android Galaxy (always bought Nokia before and had to set up VPN was the only difference.
The two branded Captivates which were complete turds initially have been very nicely polished by developers. (hence my support of donations to them and this site.) I believe in supporting the helpful developers with my wallet for ROMS and paid Apps.
I don't use either Exchange or the stock Email app. I like Gmail and K9. I will root for TiBi and root Explorer. Probably run Cog at first since DG was a force on the SGS I and still is. When I get comfortable with the flashing processes I will try other ROMs
I guess most processes are similar to the S1. I did notice two rooting methods. I even read somewhere SuperOneclick may work.
OF hundreds of flashes I bricked once (recently) but $50 late MobileTech and the JTAG had me like new. Small price to pay to save a few hundred dollar phone. IM guessing Josh cna do the same with the SGS II.
Does anyone know when it will be available for AT&T?
I bought mine from New Egg and received it Thursday and I must say it is a great phone. Mine came with KE2. I just flashed Cognition on it a couple of hours ago and its even smoother and faster.
I read on Android Central the other day that Samsung was having issues with the carriers in the US on getting them to pick up this phone. I don't know why since its an awesome phone and they already have phones on all the major carriers. I'm glad I bought it outright instead of waiting for ATT to officially carry it.
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I read on Android Central the other day that Samsung was having issues with the carriers in the US on getting them to pick up this phone.
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The source of all those stories was a Korean writer with no facts talking out of his ass. A dev just found AT&T LTE code in the 2.3.4 leak along with PNG logos unique to their network.
Here's a link to the story that started it all. You judge if its credible.
http://english.chosun.com/site/data/...070701109.html
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I bought mine from New Egg and received it Thursday and I must say it is a great phone. Mine came with KE2. I just flashed Cognition on it a couple of hours ago and its even smoother and faster.
I read on Android Central the other day that Samsung was having issues with the carriers in the US on getting them to pick up this phone. I don't know why since its an awesome phone and they already have phones on all the major carriers. I'm glad I bought it outright instead of waiting for ATT to officially carry it.
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Yeah IM over Carrier branded handsets. I was glad ATT never carried the N82/N95/N97 Nokias...... I could not care if ATT never gets the SGS 2. Probably get an SGS 3 instead to compete with ifad 5
Bought one here from the Market place with KE7....Hasn't arrived yet.
tbong777 said:
Yeah IM over Carrier branded handsets. I was glad ATT never carried the N82/N95/N97 Nokias...... I could not care if ATT never gets the SGS 2. Probably get an SGS 3 instead to compete with ifad 5
Bought one here from the Market place with KE7....Hasn't arrived yet.
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Me too..no att crap ware..
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I was reading some threads last night on the International Galaxy Note and it seemed everyone was *****ing about how awful and ****ty the AT&T Galaxy Note is, with it being much less powerful and stuff.
Is this true? I'm debating rather to pay $300 for an On-Contract AT&T Galaxy Note or just getting an International Galaxy Note for $700
I understand the AT&T version has a Snapdragon CPU and an Adreno 220 GPU while the International has a Samsung Exynos CPU and an Mali MP 400 GPU. The AT&T one isn't THAT much slower/worse is it?
I have the international with the exynos. I don't really notice much difference from dual core snapdragon handsets like on the htc's. honestly, if there is a difference, would it even be significant enough to matter? I went with the international version bc I'm already on contract and didn't know what the full retail pricing for the AT&T note was gonna be.
FYI, if youre looking for a new international note, expansys has em for $669.99 after $20 coupon. The good thing is that with warranty issues, expansys says that you can send it to them, and they'll take care of shipping it to whatever country it is that handles the warranty for no charge.
Edit: Forgot to mention the AT&T note has LTE!!!
Well to be honest the only thing that bothers me about the AT&T Galaxy Note is the lack of a physical home button (I love being able to unlock my phone like an iPhone like I already do on my Desire Z)
I can't answer the question with 100% certainty, but if I had to guess I would say "no."
I'm basing this off of what I read about the Skyrocket vs the Galaxy S2. It was the same argument: Exynos vs Snapdragon. Yes, the exynos out benchmarked the snapdragon. But for day to day use, after owning BOTH phones, I can say there wasn't really much of a difference. In fact, I returned my Skyrocket and went back to the SGS2 because of how similar they were, and I wasn't in an LTE market yet.
I'm moving to Austin, TX next month, which is why I'm looking for an LTE device again, which brings me to the Note. Based off of the research I've done, the difference will be minimal.
Obviously these are different devices, but I'm guessing this is going to be another case of over-emphasis on benchmarks mixed with a case of personal pride from people picking the international, and then an LTE version of their phone coming out.
I know a few differences that will slow the phone down and bug the hell out of me when I turn it on the first time:
AT&T Navigator®*
AT&T Family Map*
AT&T U-verse® Live TV(TM)*
YPmobile®
AT&T Address Book*
AT&T Messages
myAT&T
AT&T Code Scanner
CityID*
Amazon Kindle
Facebook®
Samsung Social Hub
Qik Video Chat**
AT&T Ready2Go
Hope that root access comes REALLY FAST!!!
jpeg42 said:
I know a few differences that will slow the phone down and bug the hell out of me when I turn it on the first time:
AT&T Navigator®*
AT&T Family Map*
AT&T U-verse® Live TV(TM)*
YPmobile®
AT&T Address Book*
AT&T Messages
myAT&T
AT&T Code Scanner
CityID*
Amazon Kindle
Facebook®
Samsung Social Hub
Qik Video Chat**
AT&T Ready2Go
Hope that root access comes REALLY FAST!!!
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Haha. Well played.
Well is 4G LTE really that much better than whatever 3G the International Galaxy Note has? (I've had to use 2G/2.5G for the last 2 years because... T-Mobile sucks)
KosanRio said:
Well is 4G LTE really that much better than whatever 3G the International Galaxy Note has? (I've had to use 2G/2.5G for the last 2 years because... T-Mobile sucks)
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You can expect around 25-30mb a sec with LTE depending on where you live. I think the International note maxes at about 10? I could be wrong.
Short answer: yes.
jpeg42 said:
I know a few differences that will slow the phone down and bug the hell out of me when I turn it on the first time:
AT&T Navigator®*
AT&T Family Map*
AT&T U-verse® Live TV(TM)*
YPmobile®
AT&T Address Book*
AT&T Messages
myAT&T
AT&T Code Scanner
CityID*
Amazon Kindle
Facebook®
Samsung Social Hub
Qik Video Chat**
AT&T Ready2Go
Hope that root access comes REALLY FAST!!!
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Oh god do not want.
KosanRio said:
Well is 4G LTE really that much better than whatever 3G the International Galaxy Note has? (I've had to use 2G/2.5G for the last 2 years because... T-Mobile sucks)
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Sure if youre in a full lte coverage area, much faster data. But yes I agree with other posters, performance difference should be minimal to daily users. Now gamers is a different story but how many of us play COD MW3 or whatever on our devices. As for the physical button on the international one, as nice as it would serve to unlock the phone, its just another moving part that can collect dust/liquid etc as some iphone users have experienced.
Oh and main hope for me is that enough dev's show up with super fast roms
if youre in an lte market, I'd say the lte would be a significant difference from hspa+. Just because you can't achieve speeds on h+ like you can on lte. Even if you don't live in an lte market, it wouldn't hurt to have lte capability in case you travel or they set up one in your area.
I wish samsung wouldve put in dual 3g band radios on the international note so we can jump to tmo if needed just like on the galaxy nexus.
jpeg42 said:
I know a few differences that will slow the phone down and bug the hell out of me when I turn it on the first time:
AT&T Navigator®*
AT&T Family Map*
AT&T U-verse® Live TV(TM)*
YPmobile®
AT&T Address Book*
AT&T Messages
myAT&T
AT&T Code Scanner
CityID*
Amazon Kindle
Facebook®
Samsung Social Hub
Qik Video Chat**
AT&T Ready2Go
Hope that root access comes REALLY FAST!!!
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to be honest most of that crap can easily be removed before you ever root so I dont know what the big deal is on that.
As for the other forum ranting about ours as apposed to theirs I would imagine its the same ol same ol trying to make them selves feel better about their phone by putting down another. The Exynos is way better on GPU and processing but for a every day to day user you probably wont be able to even tell the difference outside of benchmarks. IMO mainly DEVS and maybe heavy gamer's maybe the only ones to notice. The functionality of the phone is the same and so is the screen, resolution, memory and storage. the biggest difference is processor and modems.
bkeaver said:
to be honest most of that crap can easily be removed before you ever root so I dont know what the big deal is on that.
As for the other forum ranting about ours as apposed to theirs I would imagine its the same ol same ol trying to make them selves feel better about their phone by putting down another. The Exynos is way better on GPU and processing but for a every day to day user you probably wont be able to even tell the difference outside of benchmarks. IMO mainly DEVS and maybe heavy gamer's maybe the only ones to notice. The functionality of the phone is the same and so is the screen, resolution, memory and storage. the biggest difference is processor and modems.
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Hmmm, I thought on my Captivate there were issues removing those apps before it was rooted. But was a couple years ago, so hopefully I am wrong. I know it is small, but just seeing those in my app drawer drive me nuts.
jpeg42 said:
Hmmm, I thought on my Captivate there were issues removing those apps before it was rooted. But was a couple years ago, so hopefully I am wrong. I know it is small, but just seeing those in my app drawer drive me nuts.
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they changed that you can now side load and remove most bloatware without rooting
jpeg42 said:
Hmmm, I thought on my Captivate there were issues removing those apps before it was rooted. But was a couple years ago, so hopefully I am wrong. I know it is small, but just seeing those in my app drawer drive me nuts.
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If you use an alternate launcher, say go launcher ex for example, you can hide apps in the app drawer, which will at least take care of the aesthetic cluttering until you can fully remove them, which I assume wont be long at all.
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jpeg42 said:
Hmmm, I thought on my Captivate there were issues removing those apps before it was rooted. But was a couple years ago, so hopefully I am wrong. I know it is small, but just seeing those in my app drawer drive me nuts.
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Yes, you can now remove most of the AT&T crap ware. Only a very small number of them can't be removed, especially the hidden one (City ID and Tethering Manager for example).
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welchertc said:
If you use an alternate launcher, say go launcher ex for example, you can hide apps in the app drawer, which will at least take care of the aesthetic cluttering until you can fully remove them, which I assume wont be long at all.
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Even with TW, you can create folders and move all the AT&T apps into one folder so that you won't see them.
I tend to play quite a bit of games on my phone, but mostly it would just be emulators and stuff (Maybe GTA III and X-Plane too) You think I'd be good with an AT&T Galaxy Note?
bkeaver said:
to be honest most of that crap can easily be removed before you ever root so I dont know what the big deal is on that.
As for the other forum ranting about ours as apposed to theirs I would imagine its the same ol same ol trying to make them selves feel better about their phone by putting down another. The Exynos is way better on GPU and processing but for a every day to day user you probably wont be able to even tell the difference outside of benchmarks. IMO mainly DEVS and maybe heavy gamer's maybe the only ones to notice. The functionality of the phone is the same and so is the screen, resolution, memory and storage. the biggest difference is processor and modems.
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Some, not most can be uninstalled. Some of the troublesome ones cannot be removed without root such as AP mobile. Is is at most a hassle though. I will most likely have both models. Do not know if that makes me unusual, but just wanted to relay my experience with my skyrocket and removable bloatware with ATT. Progress has been made but we are not there yet...
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For me, it boils down to LTE market or not. Considering equal cost: If LTE market, yes, get the ATT note. If not, I'd probably go with the international.
giantenemybird said:
For me, it boils down to LTE market or not. Considering equal cost: If LTE market, yes, get the ATT note. If not, I'd probably go with the international.
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You will want LTE in Austin. Was getting LTE down there as they tested it before officially lighting it up. Was there last week and still getting over 50 down!
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I am fed up with the Nexus One and this chronic power button problem I've sent it in for four times, and no GPS. No more HTC for me.
Looking for a newer phone for T-Mobile that gets 3G or 4G. No hardware keypad, and working GPS. That's all I ask.
I thought the Moto Atrix might be it, but it can't do better than EDGE. The Photon (Sprint) seems to be only WiMAX.
It seems that T-Mo has only LG and Samsung phones, and I am not enamored with either brand.
Recommendations?
Quantumstate said:
I am fed up with the Nexus One and this chronic power button problem I've sent it in for four times, and no GPS. No more HTC for me.
Looking for a newer phone for T-Mobile that gets 3G or 4G. No hardware keypad, and working GPS. That's all I ask.
I thought the Moto Atrix might be it, but it can't do better than EDGE. The Photon (Sprint) seems to be only WiMAX.
It seems that T-Mo has only LG and Samsung phones, and I am not enamored with either brand.
Recommendations?
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I swore to myself I would never buy another samsung phone, but I ended up with a white galaxy s2 since it was the best phone at the time and it has been great so far (if you don't mind not having ICS). Perfect actually.
I have turned the Motorola site upside-down looking for a fairly current phone that would work 3G or better in T-Mo, but no luck.
Don't trust Samsung or LG, although I'm sure they make fine products. I've been very happy with Motorola phones since cellular services started. Wish for the Droid Razr, but Hate Verizon and ATT for cooperating with warrantless wiretapping.
Wow, nothing else?
Trying to determine if the Droid 4, Droid Razr, or Defy would work.
The Defy is a decent phone and really the only Moto on T-Mobile I could recommend, assuming you can find one. They are outdated as far as stock, but the Devs have kept the software up to date and are even working on ICS/CM9. I don't think the Droid models would work on a T-Mo network at all.
Get a HTC amaze and use the screen off and lock app.. then use go locker or something that allows using power AND volume buttons etc for waking.. thanks to the separate video and camera buttons you'll be up to 5 buttons configurable as power.. besides I think they (htc) are the best made phones
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I have an HTC sensation, which HTC has made 2 updated versions, the XL and something else but i have the standard one, but its 4g, 4.3" screen, hd 1080p video recording, 8mp camera, and when running the elegancia Rom which is great quality you get ics plus lots of features, call recording, WiFi calling, volume button awake. It's really a great phone, id get the newer version XL, its got a 1.5ghz processor plus more ram, I think a gig over my standard sensation with a 1.2ghz and 756mb ram. Both are great, I'm sure you can get a regular sensation for 300 bucks somewhere on the web.
Also HTC released the HTC One, don't know if they are for t-mobile, but they are the cream of the crop for the HTC line. Gonna be pricey but well worth it.
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Samsung Galaxy S2. Nuff said.
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If you really want to look for some more selection, try researching phones made for the Japanese market.
Many NTT Docomo phones have the needed 1700/2100 frequencies needed for T-Mobile 3G in the United States. I have heard of people running some of their Sharp and Toshiba phones here without issue.
Thanks all.
I have lost all confidence in HTC. GPS has never worked, mic quality is not good, and this chronic power button problem that I have sent it in four times for. Now they charge me. No more. They ditch me -- I ditch them.
I like the MIUI.us rom best, and have the vol keys set to wake. (built-in to the rom) Use Toggles to lock it. This is tolerable for now. Has recording and all the other niceties. I think it's the most advanced rom out there.
I've used Motorola phones since cellular service began, and they only ever failed if I broke them. I trust the Motorola phones and wish they worked with T-Mobile more. I will stay with T-Mobile as they did not cooperate with the government's unConstitutional warrantless wiretapping.
I'll check out the Defy. Maybe I can wait a while to see whether Moto comes out with something better. I wonder whether the Photon would work on T-Mo?
You are judging HTC off of a phone that is years old. There are many options for good phones on T-mobile. The Galaxy S2, the Galaxy Nexus if you want to pay for that, the Nexus S. I just came from the HTC Glacier which was amazing all the way around. Great GPS, no hardware issues whatsoever and a huge dev community. The Sensation is a great phone, better than the amaze from the research I have done. Almost all newer phones available aren't going to have GPS issues, so go to a store and pick which one feels better in your hands.
I am judging HTC for a phone that I paid $550 for which never could do GPS or compass, and which has a chronic and recurring power button failure that is a known design problem which HTC refuses to repair without ransom.
If a company intentionally refuses to correct their own glaring mistakes, it is dishonorable and they are no longer worthy of trust. Maybe I am just old-fashioned, and you youngsters see GETTING SCREWED BY CORPORATIONS as a natural state of life...
I do not. HTC ditches me, so I ditch HTC, and tell my friends.
A couple years ago I bought a Jaguar XK-8, a $76,000 car. Two years later it turned out that the timing chain tensioners (made of plastic) were failing on all those engines. Well that is a $15,000 repair. Jag refused to stand behind their car, and so many of us who can afford their cars, have turned our backs on them. As Dubya says, Fool Me Once... {splutter, gork} ... eh Ya Can't Fool Me Again.
I'm posting this here because the Note II is a prime example, but we could also look to the Galaxy Nexus, which is two software versions behind and can't really even be called a Nexus at this point.
I helped my boss set up a Note II and was showing him some features I thought he would like. The first one was the "blocking mode" (do not disturb), which my AT&T model has, as does the International model. It was absent. It first, I thought I just wasn't seeing it or it was moved, but a google search confirmed my fears. I learned later that Verizon removed this because they have a competing service.
Then, I was looking for the S Planner widget (the full screen calendar version) because, as an executive, it was a good fit for him. It was also missing. I'm still baffled by that one.
There is also the branding, including the home button. Verizon seems to treat their phones like Stock Cars these days. The bloat, the missing features (HTC Hub on HTC devices), the numerous modifications, etc.
AT&T is far from perfect. They put a lot of bloat on their phones. But out of all of the Android phones I have bought in the last few years (since they restored "unknown Sources"), I have not noticed them actually removing a lot of features. They did remove screen modes from their version of the GSIII, which was confusing, but otherwise they have just been content with adding bloat that you can disable.
I know Verizon has great coverage, but does it ever really bother you that they remove/modify so much functionality on the phone? Sound off in my poll. I'm curious if I'm the only one who hates Verizon for this. To me, it wouldn't even feel like my phone. It would feel like Verizon's.
TLDR
Removed features (blocking mode, S Planner Widget)
Nascar envy (Logos everywhere)
Severely delayed updates
It sucks but what you gonna do, you know? It's VZW.
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Use to bother me until I learned to unlock and root. Had the gnex prior to the GN II and actually forgot what stock was like until I had to re lock and unroot to sell it. Forgot how limited the phone was.
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koreankabachy said:
Use to bother me until I learned to unlock and root. Had the gnex prior to the GN II and actually forgot what stock was like until I had to re lock and unroot to sell it. Forgot how limited the phone was.
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Doesn't it say something when the first thing you have to do with your new phone is root it and install your own software, though?
I just bought an Optimus G from AT&T. It had a lot of bloat, but I disabled it all and I'm happy with it otherwise. At least all of the intended features are there.
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I'm posting this here because the Note II is a prime example, but we could also look to the Galaxy Nexus, which is two software versions behind and can't really even be called a Nexus at this point.
I helped my boss set up a Note II and was showing him some features I thought he would like. The first one was the "blocking mode" (do not disturb), which my AT&T model has, as does the International model. It was absent. It first, I thought I just wasn't seeing it or it was moved, but a google search confirmed my fears. I learned later that Verizon removed this because they have a competing service.
Then, I was looking for the S Planner widget (the full screen calendar version) because, as an executive, it was a good fit for him. It was also missing. I'm still baffled by that one.
There is also the branding, including the home button. Verizon seems to treat their phones like Stock Cars these days. The bloat, the missing features (HTC Hub on HTC devices), the numerous modifications, etc.
AT&T is far from perfect. They put a lot of bloat on their phones. But out of all of the Android phones I have bought in the last few years (since they restored "unknown Sources"), I have not noticed them actually removing a lot of features. They did remove screen modes from their version of the GSIII, which was confusing, but otherwise they have just been content with adding bloat that you can disable.
I know Verizon has great coverage, but does it ever really bother you that they remove/modify so much functionality on the phone? Sound off in my poll. I'm curious if I'm the only one who hates Verizon for this. To me, it wouldn't even feel like my phone. It would feel like Verizon's.
TLDR
Removed features (blocking mode, S Planner Widget)
Nascar envy (Logos everywhere)
Severely delayed updates
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Going off of your list, because yeah it was tl;dr:
Splanner widget might just be broken (its in the rom). Blocking mode doesn't work on Verizon (afaik).
Logos do suck. Samsung is slow on updates already.
Also, I compiled 4.2.1 for my Gnex. I still call it a Nexus.
You know what, I use to be a strong and proud supporter of VZW. I've been with this company for over 10 years now and over the last 5 years i have progressively become more and more displeased with my service. Yes there coverage is the best in the nation. However, in my case i live in NJ, all 4 major cell phone providers cover the entire state of NJ. I hardly ever leave this state unless its going to one of the surrounding cities (NYC PHL DC) and those places are all covered by all major cellphone providers.
With all the limitations VZW puts on the phones, I do believe I will be changing carriers in 2 years (as i just upgraded both my lines tot he note 2). As of now, i want to kick my own butt for upgrading/extending my contract i should of switched when i had the chance.
I get what your saying and it pissed me off on those same exact points. I decided to live with it because I would have rooted for other mods anyway eventually, but probably not as fast. I couldn't wait to get the note 2 and decided to upgrade instead of waiting a few months and going to another carrier. Since this phone is worldwide I'm not worried about updates. I just won't be waiting for Verizon. I think I'll be content for longer with this phone and when I want the next big thing I'll wait till my contract is completely up and switch carriers. Sprint just got lte here so maybe it will be mature in a couple years.
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Do you hate what AT&T does to your phones? My phone came with multi-window and didn't need to wait for an update to enable it. Maybe you should go complain to AT&T for not giving you multi-window at launch.
S-Planner, as mentioned is in the ROM, but not functional, and blocking mode, even when enabled, doesn't work. It's entirely possible that with an OTA, S-Planner will be fixed. Blocking mode may be network related. You know, since AT&T is GSM and Verizon is CDMA, but I doubt you've given that any thought.
Also, delayed updates? Yes, the Nexus has delayed updates, but it is still ahead of most other devices. Also, how long does AT&T take to update phones? You don't have a lot of room to talk there because they aren't so great in that department themselves. How long did the Infuse 4G take to get Gingerbread?
Does it suck, a little bit, but it's nothing to go and create a whining post about, especially if you don't even own the phone.
imnuts said:
Do you hate what AT&T does to your phones? My phone came with multi-window and didn't need to wait for an update to enable it. Maybe you should go complain to AT&T for not giving you multi-window at launch.
S-Planner, as mentioned is in the ROM, but not functional, and blocking mode, even when enabled, doesn't work. It's entirely possible that with an OTA, S-Planner will be fixed. Blocking mode may be network related. You know, since AT&T is GSM and Verizon is CDMA, but I doubt you've given that any thought.
Also, delayed updates? Yes, the Nexus has delayed updates, but it is still ahead of most other devices. Also, how long does AT&T take to update phones? You don't have a lot of room to talk there because they aren't so great in that department themselves. How long did the Infuse 4G take to get Gingerbread?
Does it suck, a little bit, but it's nothing to go and create a whining post about, especially if you don't even own the phone.
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Okay, you need to chill out. This isn't a "Verizon vs AT&T" thread. I acknowledged that AT&T was far from perfect. It is my opinion, however, that Verizon has been much worse in this area lately. My experience being based on several years of service with both providers.
My role in my company puts me in a unique position to use phones from all of the carriers, so yes, I do have room to talk. I also have years of experience in mobility. I'm not "whining". I was asking for feedback from the community.
I suggest you check your attitude. This thread wasn't a personal attack against you or any other Verizon customer.
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Okay, you need to chill out. This isn't a "Vegas rizon vs AT&T" thread. I acknowledged that AT&T was far from perfect. It is my opinion, however, that Verizon has been much worse in this area lately. My experience being based on several years of service with both providers.
My role in my company puts me in a unique position to use phones from all of the carriers, so yes, I do have room to talk. I also have years of experience in mobility. I'm not "whining". I was asking for feedback from the community.
I suggest you check your attitude. This thread wasn't a personal attack against you or any other Verizon customer.
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At least Verizon has never disabled sideloading. Carriers suck. All of them.
My post wasn't a personal attack, and really has the same basic tone as your OP. Your OP is essentially "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T", I'm pointing out that AT&T isn't really all that much better, but you don't see people coming into AT&T forums and saying "AT&T sux, lets go to VZW". You pointed out a bunch of faults with Verizon, but seem to forget issues with AT&T. Their track record for OTA updates isn't that much better than VZW, significantly worse in some instances. How about network coverage? They do a good job of screwing their users on plans and plan features too. Your phone supports video chat over cellular, but your data plan doesn't. How is that different from removing/limiting software? Maybe I'll go create a thread in the AT&T Note 2 forum to voice all my complaints with AT&T service then...
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My post wasn't a personal attack, and really has the same basic tone as your OP. Your OP is essentially "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T", I'm pointing out that AT&T isn't really all that much better, but you don't see people coming into AT&T forums and saying "AT&T sux, lets go to VZW". You pointed out a bunch of faults with Verizon, but seem to forget issues with AT&T. Their track record for OTA updates isn't that much better than VZW, significantly worse in some instances. How about network coverage? They do a good job of screwing their users on plans and plan features too. Your phone supports video chat over cellular, but your data plan doesn't. How is that different from removing/limiting software? Maybe I'll go create a thread in the AT&T Note 2 forum to voice all my complaints with AT&T service then...
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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Removed features (blocking mode, S Planner Widget)
Nascar envy (Logos everywhere)
Severely delayed updates
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In regards to this list
Dont care cause I wouldnt use these things.
the home button logo is annoying
AOSP roms are better than stock anyway.
Coverage and reliability of the network far outweigh the downside of an annoying logo. I wanted to switch to Tmobile cause of their pricing but tried a month and coverage was simply not good enough. Friends in my area that have ATT and Sprint complain about coverage all the time. In the end I agree with Adryn. All the carriers blow donkey. For me the least of the evils is VZW.
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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I interpreted your post to be the same as Imnuts mentioned.
So either your worded it poorly, or there is something in the water.
Clearly you are angry at Verizon and felt the need to vent. Yeah, I am not too pleased with them as well, but so be it. You make it sound like everything is a constant measured response to screw people. Blocking Mode wasn't blocked because of a competing service. It just doesn't work. Do you ask Samsung to recode it to be removed, or just hide it? I doubt they cared. They just told Samsung to deal with it. You can bring it back. It doesn't work on Verizon though. Splanner widget is probably an oversight, and time will tell.
HTC Hub isn't on devices because they SHUT DOWN THE SERVICE. https://www.htcsense.com/
Otherwise, who knows, maybe it would be there on future devices. That service too didn't entirely work right on Verizon and was very limited to the devices it supported everywhere else.
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No, YOU INTERPRETED my thread as "VZW sux, let's all go to AT&T". You should probably take a moment to recognize that.
I'm not advocating for any carrier. I would prefer unlocked devices, if not for the lack of LTE. When AT&T had side-loading blocked, I hated them for it and yes, the Facetime over Cellular was a dik move, too.
But I also love Smartphones and these days, AT&T does much less damage to the device than Verizon (T-Mobile and Sprint treat them the best) and it's something I'm hoping that AT&T doesn't suddenly decide is okay (again).
Getting my hands on the Verizon Note II really drove it all home for me, thus my post here in the Verizon Note forums asking how other users felt about it.
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Sorry bro but I'm not sure this thread was necessary, and it was obviously not well received. Stick to the forums that have to do with your device.
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Sorry bro but I'm not sure this thread was necessary, and it was obviously not well received. Stick to the forums that have to do with your device.
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I'm reminded of a book....
How to Win Friends & Influence People
I'm thinking about going vzw and get a note 2... Or should I go att? :/
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I'm not sure your post was necessary, either. How about if I just post where I want, mmkay?
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I think his post did seem necessary since you don't seem to get it. You point out good things about Att and trashed VZW. So others did the opposite. Everyone seems to have read your post that way. Perhaps you need to learn how to articulate your thoughts better.
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I think his post did seem necessary since you don't seem to get it. You point out good things about Att and trashed VZW. So others did the opposite. Everyone seems to have read your post that way. Perhaps you need to learn how to articulate your thoughts better.
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Yeah, because the way everyone READ my post (I'm pretty sure you mean "interpreted") is my fault. I can't control when Verizon fanboys decide to be defensive. I posted a neutral poll with feedback from my experiences. I'm not the one trolling here. I suppose it's just easier to troll than to actually read my post and think for yourself.
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Got a dying NoteII (need to replace the USB port and apparently as of yesterday, re-flash the PIT)... so for the moment I have no phone and I'm going into withdrawal
I've got an upgrade available on Verizon, so I'll get a phone through there, but I'm trying to find something that's flashable or at least rootable, ideally QHD (1440x2560), MicroSD, removable battery.
Any 'phablet' class, 5.3"++, phones on verizon that are rootable/flashable, that have at least two of those three things? SD slot I can live without if I can get 64GB internal memory or higher, but there doesn't seem to be much of that on verizon, and less and less rootable, too
At the moment I'm leaning to the nexus 6 or Note 3, those seem to be the most recent/'best' phones that I can get at the moment, but I'm hoping there's some I've missed, that are better!
Any suggestions, anyone?
Haven't been able to find a list of what Verizon phones are rooted/romable, but apparently the LG V10 is as of this week, so I'm likely going with that, unless anyone has any better suggestions?
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Haven't been able to find a list of what Verizon phones are rooted/romable, but apparently the LG V10 is as of this week, so I'm likely going with that, unless anyone has any better suggestions?
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Based on my experience, btw, if you're having PIT issues - like, recovery is throwing up errors about unable to mount partitions - then your eMMC is hosed. Happened to me recently and took me forever to realize it wasn't something I could fix in software. If the display on your phone is in decent shape, though, someone with a cracked/burned-in screen would probably love it, and at least earn you some cash towards a newer phone.
Sadly, the selection of phones for Verizon is pretty sparse. Your best bet these days is buying one outright - Moto X Pure, N6P, international version of the S7/S7 Edge etc - so that bootloader and rooting are never an issue, plus not dealing with Verizon bloatware. Financing outside of Verizon is the way to go, and at that point, you might as well look at an MVNO with good coverage and cheaper rates on data.
Ended up getting the V10, for ~$400 ($18/mo), should be here by morning!
I think the Nexus would have been the best choice, as it is not really a proprietary Verizon phone, but you can always return the V10 and say you did not like it.