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Guys, theres a movement in the community to get rid of this site which sells access to pirated paid apps. Now, this isnt to promote the site, this is to get rid of it. Please go here and sign the petition. All the information is there. Support app developers who work hard to make our phones better by helping to get rid of these pirates.
http://bit.ly/bkKwaZ
Support your community!
Also, if you follow this link: http://twitter.com/Mini_Lee/status/20682622042 it will take you to the tweet i put out with the petition link directly in it. So if you're one of those people with thousands of followers on twitter, send it out!
Done, and tweeting it.
Signed - thank you to whoever started this petition!
Been following this on Twitter today. Retweeted protests, and just signed this. I'll be honest, I pirate a lot of stuff, but I wouldn't pirate from a hard working Android dev. If pirating Android apps grew, devs might be less inclined to develop good apps for Android.
OP updated with link to RT'able tweet link.
Kusotare, what do you intend to do with the results of the petition?
I checked, their domain is registered through GoDaddy and hidden by DomainsByProxy. I sent an e-mail to DomainsByProxy to see whether they actually respond to information about illegal activity. It has been my experience that such complaints to GoDaddy will go unanswered but e-mail is cheap so I hit them up too.
But in all honesty, this will be a minor hiccup, if it gets them taken down at all. The overall IP block is owned by Worldstream out of the Netherlands (according to the RIPE branch of IANA), although some tools report the actual location as Portugal. If you run a reverse IP lookup (try a good one like YouGetSignal), the web server at the same IP is also host to a bunch of Iranian spam and piracy blogs under the vatanblog.com domain, so my guess is whomever owns the server (which isn't going to be the same as those running the network where the IP block is managed) isn't going to be too worried about the results of a petition.
But I suppose it can't hurt to hit up Worldstream, so I've e-mailed them as well.
P.S. Phromik, speaking as a software developer who has been victimized by piracy, you're a hypocritical tool.
^ really no need for that last part, though I understand why you would say it.
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^ really no need for that last part, though I understand why you would say it.
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Really no need for him to roll in here and brag about his piracy, is there?
Fighting piracy is and will always be a losing battle, but when people are actually out there profiting from other people's hard work something needs to be done.
Signed and tweeted and facebooked. I will also follow suit and send emails to godaddy and Domainsbyproxy.
Except he's not bragging... he's being honest.
srqt said:
Fighting piracy is and will always be a losing battle, but when people are actually out there profiting from other people's hard work something needs to be done.
Signed and tweeted and facebooked. I will also follow suit and send emails to godaddy and Domainsbyproxy.
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GoDaddy are the domain registrant. The actual website is hosted on a dedicated server provided by worldstream.nl so you want to be contacting [email protected] as well as the Dutch anti-piracy outfit BREIN at [email protected]
It's interesting to note that the same dedicated server is being used to host several other warez sites including some pornography forums. I'm pretty sure neither the server provider or BREIN would be happy about these.
It's interesting to note that within the last 12 hours androidplayground has been taken offline. However I suspect this was done by the owner rather than any takedown notice. He has already set his twitter account to private and one of the last tweets he sent was about having a new server ready.
To Bad google isn't jumping on this. I mean you see his lame comment on nearly every app that comes out in the market.
What confuses me is why would somebody send him money to become a member knowing he/she is a thief in the first place.
The results of the petition will be sent to the domain registrar, the host and paypal in a three way attack. If all goes well, they'll lose their domain, hosting and ability to charge people through paypal simultaneously. I have already emailed all three of the companies to let them know about the petition.
So yes, while it may be a losing battle in the long run to fight piracy, at least we can do what we can. Signing a petition or firing off an email takes the same amount of time it does to write a post here, so why not help out?
Response from Worldstream:
Hi,
The website has been taken down earlier today.
Met vriendelijke groet / Kind regards,
Dirk Vromans
Technical Engineer
Worldstream C.V.
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Although from one of the earlier posts it sounds like the site owner was already planning to move it anyway -- which is what I was getting at earlier. The best you can hope for is to just go chasing him around endlessly.
I saw the same crap over and over in the Palm Treo software world...
The new licensing system might help. =]
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...If pirating Android apps grew, devs might be less inclined to develop good apps for Android.
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Whatever....
Without defending what I consider to be a low-life, who spams every review on the Market, most pirates wouldn't really buy most products they steal, just as most people don't normally pirate stuff they genuinely want and like.
There are a ton of pirate sources for the iPhone, yet good developers do pretty well in the App store.
The only developers whining are the ones who have a crappy product and blame the nebulous evil of "piracy" for their lack of success.
This is outrageous!! Piracy should be free.
I mean that completely tongue-in-cheek, as I spend a LOT of money on android software. I admit I don't hate piracy in general, as a sort of try-before-you-buy system, but charging money for stolen goods is evil. These people are scum.
Former AndroidPlayground.net user
I used to use this site because I just assumed that they had an agreement with the developers. I couldn't even imagine the audacity it would take to charge people for pirated software.
One thing I do wonder, why do Android apps cost more than iPhone apps? This might be part of the reason people feel like they are being ripped off by the android developers and say, "screw you then".
NOT trying to justify it, but it is something to consider.
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One thing I do wonder, why do Android apps cost more than iPhone apps? This might be part of the reason people feel like they are being ripped off by the android developers and say, "screw you then".
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I'm just guessing, but so far all data indicates that iPhone users seem to be significantly more willing to pay for apps. I'm hoping this changes as the Android becomes more mainstream.
I use this app https://market.android.com/details?id=com.bigtincan.android.adfree&hl=en
it used to block out most ads but in recent times id estimate over 70% of apps i have which are not paid apps still have annoying ads in them and despite updating ad free every day the ads are still there so im thinking of uninstalling it as it's become worthless and does not stop ads, can anyone recommend an app which blocks all ads from apps, some ads aren't too bad and are barely visible other ones are really annoying.
Thanks
Try adAway also in market.
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Try adAway also in market.
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will do thanks.
punkmonkey1984 said:
Try adAway also in market.
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Will also try this out...
Thx!
I basically stay away from free apps due to the ads.
90% of the apps loaded on my phone are paid and if the developer offers a paid app to lose the ads, I purchase it.
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I basically stay away from free apps due to the ads.
90% of the apps loaded on my phone are paid and if the developer offers a paid app to lose the ads, I purchase it.
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I refuse to pay for an app just to be ad free ill pay for extra features but certainly never just to be ad free,hopefully this ad away will be better than ad aware.
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I refuse to pay for an app just to be ad free ill pay for extra features but certainly never just to be ad free,hopefully this ad away will be better than ad aware.
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You refuse to support developers that support you? How gracious of you...tho I can understand expectiong everything for free. Just makes sense right? Hell thos developers loving wasting there time for others benifit!
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You refuse to support developers that support you? How gracious of you...tho I can understand expectiong everything for free. Just makes sense right? Hell thos developers loving wasting there time for others benifit!
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what the hell are you talking about i have over €70 worth of paid apps alone on my phone and i have given more than €40 in donations alone on this very forum so don't start talking rubbish with me does that sound to you like i "don't support developers" ive done nothing BUT support developers,i refuse to pay just to get rid of ads when ad away (thanks again OP works much better)does it for free,i have no problem paying for paid apps that offer extra features but not just to get rid of adds.
edit - i see you have a "donate" link in your signature,and exactly what is this for charity is it????
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what the hell are you talking about i have over €70 worth of paid apps alone on my phone and i have given more than €40 in donations alone on this very forum so don't start talking rubbish with me does that sound to you like i "don't support developers" ive done nothing BUT support developers,i refuse to pay just to get rid of ads when ad away (thanks again OP works much better)does it for free,i have no problem paying for paid apps that offer extra features but not just to get rid of adds.
edit - i see you have a "donate" link in your signature,and exactly what is this for charity is it????
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...allow me to clarify then. Again from a developers stand point.
Would you rather there be a payed only version that u can only test for 15minutes or have a free ad supported version that you can test as long as you like? Just because they choose to offer you all the features up front does not make there paid version any less worth the money. Forgive me if i'm wrong but your justification is its the same just without ads. Would you rather they remove the features from the free version? I mean if you don't like ads don't use the program! You have that choice! But blocking ads its exactly the same as stealing the program to the developer of the app. Effect its exactly the same, one more user who had paid experience without paying for it.
I'm not telling you what to do, not even remotely. I'm just giving a view point. But I will say this as this gets worse it will have adverse effect.
As for my donation link if was for when I made roms for the HTC touch pro few years ago. Of which I've gotten...I think $25 last donation being well over 2 years ago. Honestly I had forgotten about it/ never thought about it. But if you have a problem with me spending my time for the community then...o well. Donation an paid apps are two entirely different things entirely. Keep in mind charity its just that, at complete discretion of the donater. I have never and will never ask for one.
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I have to agree. I LOVE ( I'll repeat), I LOVE how much free stuff is on the Android market. It's part of why I love android so much. But do you know why it's free? Well most of the time because it has ads. Ads are REVENUE for the developer, which comes from Google, not the "buyer". This allows the buyer to have a full user experience of the app for FREE, while the developer gets paid. Blocking ads is stealing. Plain and simple; It steals revenue from the developer.
All I have to say is this; keep blocking ads you guys. You know why? Because sooner or later the developers will wise up, and there will be no more free apps in the market and you'll have to buy anything, even just to try. Saying "Oh I have paid apps on my phone", or "I donate" is like going to the store to buy a couple CD's to justify the 20 Gigs of torrents on your PC.
All you're doing is biting the hand that feeds you, and when that hand stops feeding you, I'll be on a WP7 phone saying Hi!
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Devs that make money from ads are few and far between. Just multiply the average number of downloads x payout per ad. You need a wildly successful app to get any money out of ad banners.
For most developers ads are not revenue. They're just a nag screen to encourage users to get the paid version. Small developers are better off if they'd replace their online ads with a donate button or an offline advertisement for the paid version. It's less annoying for their users, and ad blockers won't touch them.
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Devs that make money from ads are few and far between. Just multiply the average number of downloads x payout per ad. You need a wildly successful app to get any money out of ad banners.
For most developers ads are not revenue. They're just a nag screen to encourage users to get the paid version. Small developers are better off if they'd replace their online ads with a donate button or an offline advertisement for the paid version. It's less annoying for their users, and ad blockers won't touch them.
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You are 100% correct, ive had over 100k downloads...making money right? Nope not really lol... $40 total off ads.
What devs would do if smart(i should listen to my own advice hehe) is do what you suggest BUT first check for ad blockers(most common method being host files, second check for internet connection) If no add blocking, show ads, if not show donation link. Would be easy to do really...
I think some are missing an important thing.
In the grand scheme of apps, how many people actually go to the trouble to block the ads? Maybe a great percentage on XDA, Modaco etc, but, the "Sally secretary, Bill the bowler" are not the types that frequent this site, and more importantly, will not be blocking the ads. I would guess that the large percentage of downloads is by your non "geek" types, and therefore, will see the ads. Now, if they click on it, that is another thing, but they will at least be pushed to the phone.
On a personal note, I use LBE security to limit what "phones home" which also has as a side option of blocking the ad, since it can't phone home. Now, obviously if it is an app that needs internet, it's not going to work, but for the majority of the apps, if they are an app that doesn't need access, then I block it. I have purchased many apps, and would rather they keep the model they are using now, leave the ads on the free apps, and unlimited use, no ads on the paid. I do not even bother downloading the ones you have to buy, since 15 minutes is NOT enough time to evaluate an app.
Blocking ads ain't a good thing. After while Google will block you form getting most apps or even being able to update. Remember Android is built around the Android Market which constantly checks app status, use and crashes. You block Google, they will block you.
Trust me I been through this with my previous tablet blocking ads and stopping apps from accessing the internet and it got frustrating espicually having a Gmail account. Google knows what u do that u should not. Don't believe me?
Go to google.com/dashboard/ and I'm sure you will think twice about blocking Google. Just like a few guys said already, if u don't like ads don't use the app. Point blank
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I will gladly pay for any app that is well made and usefully. Regardless of the situation. If there is more feature in the paid version the cool. If it just removes adds that cool too. Bottom line is I know my money is going to further development of that app. So if its useful and a well made app. I will gladly buy the paid version.
Same here as Scarmon25 said. I download lots of apps to try out, some i delete after testing, some i keep. The ones that are useful for me i buy (have +20 paid apps on my phone). Some of the pro versions offer additional features like Titanium, UberMusic or Easy Money, others i just buy because they are really useful for me. The rest of +100 apps i use with the ads, and that does not bother me at all. I must admit there are apps with very annoying pop up reminders or ads, but i understand that . Be aware that a developer spends many hours, weeks and sometimes months, to build an app that looks nice and works perfectly, taking into account the needs and requests of the users, so it is only correct when he tries to get at least a beer or two as reward for his effort.
So cheers and thanks to all developers and please please support them guys.
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Blocking ads ain't a good thing. After while Google will block you form getting most apps or even being able to update. Remember Android is built around the Android Market which constantly checks app status, use and crashes. You block Google, they will block you.
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This is 100% untrue.
Blocking ad servers has nothing to do with "blocking google"
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This is 100% untrue.
Blocking ad servers has nothing to do with "blocking google"
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Mainly my point is, nobody likes ads but ads build revenues and revenues helps us get lots of stuff free. Blocking ads in time will affect the app production of apps we all use. Nobody works for free and developers ain't going to be working for free.
Just my point everyone is free to do what he/she wants with their device
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Ok that does make some sense. That said I always use a hosts file to block ads on my computers and now phones. I pay for my internet connection therefore I only download what I choose to. (which is not ads) Especially when that internet is metered/capped.
Whenever my automated system finds an Android App Review online it sends an email to the developer telling the link to the review.
Each day I get between 5 - 10 thank you mails from both large app companies and indie developers, which I guess is a good indicator that it's a great tool in order to be able to take advantage of the review in their marketing. (I know how hard it is to be seen with a good app)
The question is, how do I monetize that service?
You have to pardon me if I sound desperate, but I actually am desperate and starting to worry about my ability to provide for my family.
Do you have an idea on how I could either monetize the service, or give it away to someone who can actually afford running it?
There are three main problems with it:
- Donations doesn't work (noone evidently donates anyway, so that went down the drain)
- Advertising, might have worked but there are far too few visitors.
- Most dev's have an invalid email address specified for their account at google play, which makes them not receive the notice from the service,
They can however subscribe for reviews of a certain package name, but how the heck could they when they don't even know the service exists?
I feel so stupid for having these great ideas and realize them, just to later find out that the only thing I've gained is more time away from my kids. I am honestly starting to loose all energy for the creation process of apps, web sites and services, just due to the fact that I can't even reach out enough to make anything out of it. And I can't afford advertising the services/apps/whatever crap I've made. Which even might be an indicator that I should stop trying, but I can't really do that either since I struggle to even afford the food for the month, yeah it's gotten that bad, and I hate sounding this pathetic.
Anyway, the link is in my sig called something like 'Android App Reviews' if you wish to have a look in order to give feedback on my question.
Maybe it's just a bad day 'cause I'm not usually this whiny, but even on a good day, the question stands.
Ah.. whatever. You have a good idea, let me know.
Later
very nice idea, perhaps most of your emails mistakenly get weeded out as SPAM. I have an APP published on Google Play with our company gmail address there, but in more than one ocasion we had people trying to contact us and those emails got to the SPAM folder automaticly by mistake and we never saw them.
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very nice idea, perhaps most of your emails mistakenly get weeded out as SPAM. I have an APP published on Google Play with our company gmail address there, but in more than one ocasion we had people trying to contact us and those emails got to the SPAM folder automaticly by mistake and we never saw them.
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Thanks, actually I was very glad myself when I got an email from my own service once, so yeah I think it's a great idea also.
So yes, one problem is, as you mention that most emails probably ends up marked as spam.
The other problem is money, it's running in a very low priced environment and actually doesn't require much juice to run but I can't afford maintaining it if it doesn't generate enough income to even support itself.
I would consider running it for nothing and I could even spend some personal money just for the satisfaction and appreciation, but given the gravity of the current financial situation in my family I can't do that.
So let's just see what happens, and thanks for taking the time to read.
Cheers
have you tried selling it? For about how much would you be willing to sell it? As i said the idea is pretty awesome and you got it pretty much nailed down. Perhaps with a few tweaks to the search algorithm it could be the next Google for Apps!
have you tried selling it? For about how much would you be willing to sell it?
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- Actually, no I haven't tried selling it yet as I don't have any experience selling these kinds of things, and don't really know where to turn.. So I haven't really thought of for how much I should sell it for,
what do you think something like this could be worth?
Thanks again
Actually i have no idea loool
I would buy it if I had the means.
The value of it probably based on how many views does your site has per day, how many apps does it have categorized, how many it crawls per day... idk.
For example i tried searching it and it seems to have few apps catalogued... my app (https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rtt3ch.suecaonline) isn't there.
EDIT: About how much do you spend on it a month? If it's not much and you're willing to give it away because can't afford it I wouldn't mind getting it lol, i think i can keep it alive.
If you want to generate income from your site, you have to run your site like a business. The ideas you have in your first post are too linear, especially for a small website with limited exposure (i'm sure you'll know ). Websites and youtube channels grow in exposure and size exponentially. Your site is still in the growth state of a business life cycle (the slowest, most challenging phase of business), so it's best to get as much exposure as possible, which means expanding.
- Try to create some sort of quasi-partnerships with other sites by sharing content or linking to each other. I've noticed you have some links on the side of your site, but try to get in contact with 'bigger names' out there
- Create a youtube channel and start reviewing apps like that. That way you have another avenue of traffic to your site
- Reviews of products may also be an idea.
Hope this helps It's what I can remember from business studies classes >.<
sup MetalDroid, any news?
I'd go with what SammiSaysHello said, you need to run it like a business. Personally I'd make the homepage look more like a professional a sales page and introduce a subscription fee if you want to use it for more then one app. Or even a one time fee for more then one app. I end up logging onto my developer console several times a day so I'd gladly pay a couple bucks a month to have the reviews sent straight to my inbox.. Just my two cents
Hey!
Sorry for not posting an update, I've been having the mother of all flues on and off for the past several weeks now!
sup MetalDroid, any news?
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Well, actually yes. The associated twitter account is growing, and the number of web page visitors is also increasing. Very slowly but I'm still positive about it. I've also, shockingly, had a few interesting partnership/business proposals drop down in my mailbox, so I'm gonna have a look to see what is offered there..
If you want to generate income from your site, you have to run your site like a business.
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I'd go with what SammiSaysHello said, you need to run it like a business
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You're right, that seems like a logical next step. I might add a low subscription fee if you wish to use for more than one app,
that seems like a very good suggestion, I'll have to wait a couple of days though to see how things turn out from some of the email proposals
I've had.
If you're interested I'll keep you updated on what happens, and I'm very grateful for your input,
Cheers
Hey Guys, i'm a developer in his prime and i was wondering what do you think I should use to make money of my applications? Which solution or ... website? Can you please help?
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Hey Guys, i'm a developer in his prime and i was wondering what do you think I should use to make money of my applications? Which solution or ... website? Can you please help?
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Admob :good:
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Hey Guys, i'm a developer in his prime and i was wondering what do you think I should use to make money of my applications? Which solution or ... website? Can you please help?
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TerryGidd said:
Hey Guys, i'm a developer in his prime and i was wondering what do you think I should use to make money of my applications? Which solution or ... website? Can you please help?
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Could you be more specific? I think most people use the Google Play market for app sales, although there are alternatives (such as Amazon). Are you asking whether you should charge for the app vice depending on ad revenue?
TerryGidd said:
Hey Guys, i'm a developer in his prime and i was wondering what do you think I should use to make money of my applications? Which solution or ... website? Can you please help?
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Three options:
Have an app that's good enough to make people pay to install it: Quite hard, especially on the Android platform where many users expect even high quality apps to be free.
Free app with advertisements. This usually only works well for apps which have a high user engagement, both session frequency and session length. If you have a utility app that runs in the background or gets used once in a blue moon, this model is not really suited for that, even if the app is super useful.
Free app with in-app purchases to unlock features and/or acquire consumable items. Especially games seem to be very successful with this approach.
leviteo.com :good:
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leviteo.com :good:
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I've been pretty happy using these guys.
mrp.adsyolo .com
more of an exchange instead of a single ad network that includes around 120 various networks acting as demand partners. (admob, inmobie, yadda yadda yadda). I'm currently getting about 1500 +/- a month with these guys, not enough to leave the day job but it covers my beer expenses.
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I'm using multiple networks... been testing the new network tapcontext because of their high payouts. Averaging $6 CPM's. Really depends on your apps though.
aiaran said:
I'm using multiple networks... been testing the new network tapcontext because of their high payouts. Averaging $6 CPM's. Really depends on your apps though.
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whoa, $6? could you provide some details? what kind of app did you do that is making you that kind of cpm? what kind of ad placement did you use?
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whoa, $6? could you provide some details? what kind of app did you do that is making you that kind of cpm? what kind of ad placement did you use?
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I obviously don't want to give too much away in regards to the exact apps as I wouldn't need the competition , but they are travel related. I am getting the $6+ CPM off tapcontext, using both their interstitial & notification ads.
This list below in general is a pretty good summary of some of the best ways to monetize your application.
With this in mind, the latter in the list (unlockable content) is something that we will be experiencing far more of in the future in my opinion...
smartician said:
Three options:
Have an app that's good enough to make people pay to install it: Quite hard, especially on the Android platform where many users expect even high quality apps to be free.
Free app with advertisements. This usually only works well for apps which have a high user engagement, both session frequency and session length. If you have a utility app that runs in the background or gets used once in a blue moon, this model is not really suited for that, even if the app is super useful.
Free app with in-app purchases to unlock features and/or acquire consumable items. Especially games seem to be very successful with this approach.
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It is kinda sad that its getting harder and harder to make money off the purchase of the app itself anymore. Even if you give out the free version, I've seen that very few people upgrade to the full version. There are just too many free games out there. Users end up spending more money within their favorite free apps instead of trying out many different apps.
I'm in the middle of an ad campaign for my new app and its getting a great # of installs (more than other apps). Reviews are good and emails/comments on social media about the game are positive, and yet so few people upgrade to the full version!
In my opinion never use the notification kind of adds, its very annoying wich makes people uninstall your app, unlockable content would be the best move i think. Again, its my opinion.
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Different ads are good for the beginning.
I use Admob and for now it's good for me.
I can't live with this money but little is better than nothing.
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Sure, you may try to place the in-app ads. Clickky's monetization platform will help you to place ads relevant to your users (the programmatic approach identifies your user and his interests and shows him the appropriate ads). It works by eCPM. One of the publishers received traffic from 11 geo locations in various regions. eCPM rates peaked at $61.5 in Russia, followed by $30.28 in Switzerland, $14.13 in New Zealand, and $9.45 in France. Overall, eCPM haven’t fallen below $0.65. He had a mobile web-site, not an app, but it doesn't matter.
The eCPM you get depends on users. Let's suppose that the app advertiser has some profile of users who will most likely install his app, use it and make in-app purchases. He is ready to pay money to attract these certain users, showing them the ads. When these certain users use your app, the system (RTB-based) connect you (publisher) and app owner (advertiser). That's why the eCPM is very high. Imagine, how much you are ready to pay as an advertiser for the particular user who will bring you at least $200/mo via in-app purchases. Yes, that's why some publishers may earn up to $150
Agree with @aiaran that you should use multiple networks as they give you different fill rates in different GEOs. Unfortunately there is no best-ever solution on the market. E.g., now Clickky's monetization platfrom is now very good on Tier 1 countries, and maybe some other platform will monetize your traffic from Australia or Russia much better. In a month the situation may change, so you have to combine different platform and monetize yur traffic to the fullest.
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If the name "Android" were changed to something more accurate & device-specific, people could make more informed decisions
I suggest ADroid
like Ad + Roids = ADroids
The Discussion here is thought provoking
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Maybe Ad-Droid would be better
ADDROID
or ADD-Droid
or AdsDroid
or maybe even... "spamdroid"
ooh i like that one
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http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
matgras said:
http://store.apple.com/us
^^^^ click this link and never come back again.
if you don't like it, take another phone which does suit your needs instead of some useless complaining on the internet.
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I'm sorry, but did you vote?
please do because I'm especially interested in hearing from the people who make the apps with the ads in them..
This thread is created specifically to address this very issue..
How many people, upon entering the android shop and playing around with the phone, had any idea 90% of the apps are chock full of annoying ads?
there was literally not a single google ad on any of the phones I tried in all the stores
Its a bit deceiving.
Hence, the suggested name change..
no, i'm not spending even more money on even more phones.
thanks though
but we should be extra vigilant in helping others who may fall into the same trap
It may be too late for me, but I believe with the proper name change, we can help other people avoid this exact same problem.. a problem you yourself may even hate more than me.. if thats even possible
keep up the good work
and dont forget to vote!
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Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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matgras said:
buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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Yep, or turn off data & wifi if not needed, and that's it... no ads
matgras said:
Every person I know does not complain about ads and stuff, and if you really don't like them; buy the adfree and give the dev a beer!
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is that 3 people? and are they all by chance app developers hoping to become millionaires?
MANKIND is fed up with the ads
we're fed up with noobs who should stick to programming or email spamming and stay the fk out of marketing, an area they obviously know nothing about.
you want money, you want a beer? EARN IT!
nobody's giving you any money because you annoy the sht out of them.. the advetising companies know that.. they are just using programmers for ad placement,, you are ad company fodder
the majority of ads on apps are not even making the developer any money.. if you didnt actually code the program yourself, and used one of the online app-building services, and are offering your app for free, then odds are you had no choice but to put ads in your app, just to be able to make it for free... and if you did pay to build it. all you get is 50% of ad revenue shared with the online builder service
and then you make 0% of the revenue the ads produce, and the online service makes 100% funded by THE most uneducated, classless, bunch of dirtbag wannabe advertisers on the planet, "the all-in-one-internet advertisers/codemonkeys"
buy you a beer eh?
are u joking or toking?
people donate money to developers who have made an awesome program from top to bottom.. a program they love, by a dev who offered it for free at a great personal cost, and who may very well have no money at all, since all of his time has been spent helping the community
thats how its always been
nobody is giving you any money for spamming them..
YOU HAVE YOUR REWARD.. your ads.. thats your beer money, drunkard...you are not a coder who does things for the community, investing all his own free time for the benefit of others without reward or thought of reward...
you are someone who has chosen to spam the community for pittance, YOU DONT DESERVE COMMUNITY MONEY..
you already have a sugardaddy.. the Ad companies.
not only do you appear to be a pathetic beggar, and pretending to need beer money, you are also behind the Ad spammers, you are on their wagon.. you're playing both sides, like we're all a bunch of fools...
who in the hell is going to pay you anything just so that special ol' you may graciously stop your uber-annoyances & ad spamming?
good luck with that
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The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
dxppxd said:
The good thing about android and its freedom, is that you can always use ad-blockers, restrict internet access, and other permissions with just a quick internet search and a little reading.
Trust me, blocking ads is quicker than spamming a forum.
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that does nothing to address a wide-spread problem
here, we're looking for real solutions to the spam problem
the spam problem is not mine, as a user, though I'm sure you'd like to run around calling everyone who doesnt enjoy your spamming a noob
the spam problem lies in the relationship & system ecostructure existing between ad companies, googles own ad interests, app devs, dev ethics, ad compnay ethics and Google policies
but would you rather I "just shut up", or "just go away"?
rather than solving a serious problem?
and might that have something to do with your own ad spamming?
this is about a real solution, not shutting up one person so you continue carrying about like a monkey
thanks for your imput though
and please vote
Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
I don't like ads and don't see any advantage these ads provide besides giving you totally pointless info.
But since you are free to download and install anything you wan't i don't see a reason to then just uninstall the app and either buy the full unlocked version without ads or find another app that does what you wan't.
I hardly have any apps on my phone with ads so annoying that i needed to click the ad away before i could use the app.
On your comment that a dev needs to EARN his money
On one side i do follow you and one only should receive money after showing his programming money worthy skills.
But isn't that the whole idea of a free & paid app? If you like what you see in the free 'ad sponsored' app then you can buy the app and have an AD FREE app.
If there are still ads in the paid version you just uninstall it and get your money back to never look at that dev ever again.
And if you still say they need to give you and ad free version and then you'll happy pay them if it's good then WOW what a naive mind setting you live in.
Once a person receives a free full working ad free version then let's say 80% (no stats to show just made this up) won't even bother helping out the dev by donating. Out of those 80% one side are cheapskates not carrying about the dev and on the other sides they don't like the app but since it was adfree they still use it.
Long discussion short:
- You are free to choose what you DL / use so if you don't like ads use the paid versions or just don't use ad sponsored apps
- A dev should be allowed to use in app ads no matter what ( cause people are cheap bastards)
- Ad sponsoring does provide some income (i was able to host 2 sites in the past purely running on ads)
To me this thread is just your way to vent out ad frustration and trying to find other people with the same mind set.
But face it if you don't like ads go live in a cave because:
- Ads on radio
- Ads on TV
- Ads in Newspaper
- Ads in magazine
- Ads on the roads
- Ads on the internet
- All your base are belong to ads
As to finding a solution. there is NO solution.
Ads exists because companies wan't there name out there to be known and don't mind spending some $$ to achieve it.
If you can make it so companies can let everyone know who/what they are/do (<--- HHMMM ads) then you will automatically remove the ads from every place.
See how this above sentence made absolutely no sense what so ever ( point proven that ads are impossible to remove cause then companies won't survive)
What are you on? You're having a conversation with yourself in this thread and the front page comments. Google is making steps to make those annoying ad distribution methods bannable. Take a deep breath, count to 10, and relax. In the future, stop downloading all these trash apps that keep spamming you.
On your original post, I don't think Google should rebrand Android. Rebranding is terrible. I vote keep the name the same
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Well don't really understand your hate towards ads chinarabbit but heck i just replied to state my thoughts on it.
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hmm, well, i strongly disagree there is "no" solution
lets look more closely at the problem
On the developer side, they are doing the best with what they have, which is a very limited education focused on a very narrow field.. not your marketing wizs.. they are doing what they know, which is ad-based internet revenue generating as a valid form of advertising..
but that doesnt work when it takes up a tenth of your screen.
and the other side of the problem is that companies like Coco-cola, or whatever, who are not very tech-savvy, have hitherto had to rely on said webdevs to place their ads and run their online marketing
but make no mistake, the overwhelming majority of internet marketers are not actually marketers at all, but are little web designers and social media architects etc, that have really no concept of how to set-up, run, or manage a proper Marketing Campaign...
both sides are to blame..
u cant understand why I am so upset, so I'll tell you right now it likely has something to do with the fact that I have been in Marketing for the last decade. real, actual marketing, and have taught advanced-level marketing at some of the best marketing institutes, including those in Singapore.
anyway.. there are many ways to make money, ads in your app that people have to pay to remove is one way you can try to earn money
another way, and perhaps one of the best ways, is micro-charging, a concept fully realize in Korea, Japan & China, but which Americans can't seem to grasp at all.. and I have my doubts as to whether they ever will.
firstly, the carriers wont ever do whats needed for micro-charging to work, namely, allow you to take it out of your account, largely because America is not a Pay as you go telecom system, but one you pay per month and are given a set plan..
in Asia, you recharge your phone by recharge cards, and with a click of a button you deduct money from your balance for whatever you want
and Secondly, because America cant seem to figure out the numbers, and take that leap of faith required to charge people $0.01-$0.05 cents per function, rather than $0.25 and up... and offer them enough activity for their money they had a good time with it...
EA Sports is an example of such a company failing to grasp this basic Asian concept.
EA bought Popcap, and being a North American company is having a hard time making it successful in China.. Plants vs Zombies 2 for your Android Device is currently only out in China, and its one of the most popular games, currently... But those EA dorks ACTUALLY THINK PEOPLE WILL PAY 2RMB FOR 5 SECONDS WORTH OF IN-GAME FUNCTIONALITY.. ok. actually, its for blue diamonds. but anyway..
they are completely retarded.. people play that game all day long.. charging 2 to 5 Cents per function is ok, you may use that function up to 2rmb or 2 dollars a day, and be happy to pay for it if you got a good amount of fun for your money...
but to charge someone 2 yuan because YOU think people should pay 2 Yuan, because you laugh at 1 cent.. even when its not actually costing you anything to increase the in-game value, actually makes you a retard.. in Asia anyway..
or make them pay upfront from a large number of tokens etc.. is not going to work as well as on-demand, need-it-now, 1 to 5 cent, single-click, in-app micro-pays
especially when you have 1 billion users. who play the game every day for years to come
instead, what dorky American companies get is exactly squat.. and its probably more than they deserve
OR they give you some lame crappy game and expect you to pay for having a worthwhile game
Plants v Zombies is a very fun game, challenging, and fulfilling, even if you never spend a penny on micro-charges
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another way people make money is by offering a very great and fully functional app, that is in itself a pleasure & joy to use, and fulfills your needs.
then, YOU GET OFF YOUR BUTT AND INCREASE THE SIZE AND FUNCTIONALITY OF YOUR PROGRAM 2-10 TIMES MORE
yes, that means way more work for you
and then, you charge people small amounts to add that functionality
Pleco is an example of a successful app doing this.. they give you a great, robust, very full-featured & useful app that is itself very complete and you would not need anything more
they then offer you things you didnt even know you wanted until you saw partly how they work within the app, and you end up buying them
.......... great
and another way is create an app for free, also without ads, that people really enjoy, and then request that they donate to you if they enjoyed it & feel its worth it
they sometimes even suggest an amount.
or they ask you to pay if you use it for business, or you make money with that app, etc..
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AND THEN, in stark contrast to all the ad-free options above, there is the worst possible way imaginable.. you make an app which annoys the crap out of everybody, making them hate your app, causing some people to fall into epileptic seizures, when you yourself have not even the slightest concept of what marketing is..
those ads arent even targeted, maybe by region or IP address, but rest assured, many more people will be hating your company, when you stick crap in the face of people who would never use your product and are not even in your target demographic.
its completely useless
WHAT USE COULD POSSIBLY COME FROM SPAMMING AN ELITE 30 SOMETHING MALE WITH ADS OF WOMEN'S MAKEUP?
none..
its a marketing fail
and its worse than that, it actually hurts your company
and no, you cant ask your customers why your ad spamming bothers them and look at them like they're stupid for not wanting them on the limited space displays in their handheld devices
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and worse than those people are the ones who also want you to pay for complete functionality on a limited functionality app, or to remove the ads
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there is definitely solutions
Marketing companies taking over App Development from the too-geeky-to-get-it devs
let people click close on the banner, and dont make it re-open until the next time the app is opened
or something like youtube has done, "you can close this banner ad in 5-4-3-2-1"
the ability to 'click next' on the ad, with an option to say "this ad doesnt apply to me"
and for google to enforce these protocols, as well as require all in-app ads to be targeted to a specific demographic according to more than 3 demographic or psychographic criteria..
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oh, make no mistake, my friend, the problem is monumental
and, yes, there are many, many solutions to the problem.. indeed...
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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I find it ironic that you tout how important good marketing is (which I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point), while simultaneously suggesting Google to rebrand their most successful operating system to Ad-droid or the likes. Surely you must have realised that the marketing team at Google would not do such a thing for obvious reasons?
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its not a complete rebranding.. that is obviously the same current android logo, the android logo is very familiar, and it can have many different versions
the above version is just a suggestions.
Google is the brand, Android is a product line of the brand
and its in a dynamic market needing dynamic & innovative adjustments to keep up with the trends, technology, and social nuances
Adroid would be a re-introduction, an honest improvement over the current and inferior "Android"
Now, at this point I feel that I should point out to you that everything I have just said in this post right here is a joke.. not the haha type, but kind of a sad parody.. or more of a parable of sorts
it seems nobody here can really get a figure of speech that has a lesson beyond the surface text
the Adroid above is an example of everything that is wrong with the current situation in Google's Android platform and its connectors
its a Metaphor
for a real and devastating problem
shall I draw an image of exactly how annoying it is..
this is what it would look like on an HD Windows 7 Desktop
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Perhaps instead of a full banner, they could make a small corner icon, that says "Click to See Your Ads"
"what use is that", you say?
"who would ever click on that"? you say?
Before installing an ad-supported app from the Ad-supported app section of Google Play, you need to first install the "Special Offers Manager" app.. where you are given a list of options/ a short survey where you select the type of ads you are interested in
You can select things like "sports", "movies", Fishing" etc, entering your own text if suitable choices arent available
you can also sign up for ads from specific companies or products, like Pepsi, Nike, Walmart, etc..
and you only get those ads..
AND they are full-screen, multi-page ads
and they never auto-appear
so the ads are tailored to the person's interests and personal preferences, and thus spark their interest, and may even be anticipated, or the highlight of their android usage.
"But they wont click on them if they arent shoved in their faces" you angrily exclaim
but they will, because they know there is something relevant to them, and because they can be presented with ACTUALLY SPECIAL offers.. that is, offers the user finds special, not offers the company finds special
on clicking an ad, you see Pepsi or Walmart, you are presented with a full-page Coupon or page of coupons,, or swipable multi-pages, as a coupon book..
then you click "Save QR Code" on a specific coupon, and its stored in your "Special Offers Manager" which comes as a stand-alone app for people who want to use Ad-supported ads.. the ads can be viewed by company or by date..
and there is an option in the "Special Offers Manager" app to only update coupons on WiFi connection, so you can upload larger coupon books
and all ad-supported ads are labelled as such on Google Play, and searchable in a specific category, separate from "Free".. Free, and "Ad-Supported Free"
then you go to a store, pull out your phone, go to your 'Special Offers Manager', click "Get QR Code" for the offer you saved, scan it at the store, and receive your special offer.
users will actively seek out the ads, clicking through them on the "Next" and "Previous" buttons, cycling through ads made just for you, according to your needs.
no secret info collecting and guessing what people want
whatever.. America is 15 years out from this, yet.. if ever
And here's a well put together article for you take a gander at http://www.forbes.com/sites/ayoomojola/2013/09/26/ios-is-for-revenue-android-is-for-ads/
iOS users spend more on Apps, Android users don't. iOS users are going to shell out more $$$ for a product that's not always up to date or quickly falls behind the Android competitors.
So Android users it would seem have adapted and can deal with the ads. If it's something that bothers you so greatly, maybe you should take your money over to iOS. Pay more and get less ads. bye!
Surprise surprise this thread is going nowhere. I'm shocked.
Thread closed.