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Why ASUS didn't include 3G into this tablet, nowdays thats like a must thing to do... with that would be perfect tablet!
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
nook-color said:
Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too. So That could be part of it. Also until they have a shared data plan, cause who wants to pay for 2 data plans, i don't see my self paying for 3g even if it had the radio to do it.
However, for business use i would like one with 3g in it. Since i wouldn't trust people to know how to tether much less have a phone that can tether. So in this case simpler is much better. So for business use i will need to look at a different product which makes me sad. and if the treasurer for our non-profit has her way it will be a ipad ... which makes me very very sad. So a 3G model would have been awesome as well.
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Couldn't they just do an unlocked 3G version without having any connection to wireless companies?
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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The dock has a USB port, so just connect a mobile data dongle to it?
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
Sprint might be getting it if you look at their CES invite the folds look just like that origami screen cover!
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Correct me if i am wrong, but 3G isn't like cellular networks right? It has to be someone certain radio signal to work correctly meaning you have to work with that company ( be it at&t t-mobile version or sprint or who ever).
Like why the at&t iphone will work on t-moblie but it doesn't have t-moblies radios so you can't get 3G.
And say they just put AT&T radios in with out asking for whatever ( i don't know if you can do that or if it even matters, but just say they did) if at&T didn't want to support the device they could just block the device and not sell plans to it.
So i don't think it is just as easy as "unlocked 3G"
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I'm not the best source about this information, so please excuse me if I'm wrong. But I thought that most 3G were on similar frequencies, and therefore it would be easy to make a 3G antenna which could communicate on all of them. The reason why I ask, is that I had a T-Mobile Android phone and brought it to the UK a few months ago, and can use it on any network here (since it's unlocked), and only have to change the network operators (or something like that, I can't exactly recall) info so it connects to the right towers. And it works perfectly fine. If I can do that with a crappy old Android phone, why couldn't it be done with Transformer?
But on the whole, I agree with you. It's so much cheaper to buy a tethering plan for most phones than it would be to give it its own 3G service, that for most people just doing a wireless hotspot with their phone would make more sense. But it's still a legitimate question for some people
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Can android interpret the data dongle natively?(like Linux (at least it did on Linux Mint last time i tired)) or will a custom app need to be made for it to work if it works at all? (like windows). it is a interesting idea though. If it doesn't work out of the box (i doubt it but never know) someone should really make an app that will make it work. Since i already have a data dongle thing somewhere. lol
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I know that Archos uses a dongle that slides into the tablet that is powered by USB, so it's not impossible. But I don't know if it's naively implanted.
And if not, maybe some dev's can port the software from the archos devices to the prime to get a USB dongle to work.
I will personally use a wifi modem, that way it doesn't even use the battery of the tab, and I could share the connexion with whoever I want.
I just put my phone in hotspot mode when I need a connection and Wifi is not available. But in that last 2 years I have only had to do that 3 or 4 times. I don't see any need for 3/4g, and the associated extra costs, in a tablet.
Personally I would never pay extra for a 3g version and then have to pay a monthly fee on top of that. In Canada at least the monthly fee is not that cheap.
I wonder if there are stats on how many of each of the ipad models were sold? The original and ipad2 were both released with a 3g model at launch right? It would be interesting to see how big the 3g market is
Probably just to keep costs down. And I honestly don't view 3G as a must do thing. It'll be a while before people start to see data plans attached to devices as a given. Right now, if I need internet while I'm out and about with my tablet I just set up my phone as a hotspot. It's still a bit rare when I feel the need for internet when I'm not at home (most of the time I'll be reading or watching things already stored) but it came in handy while waiting in line for Black Friday.
as the prime is already available for some, could you please test if a 3G dongle works? my interest is not so much in internet connectivity but using mobile TV which only works via 3G here and not over a wifi connection due to legal requirements..
I heard somewhere that they don't because it's not a very popular market. They are aware most people have data plans on their phones and don't want to spend extra on a separate plan for a tablet. Plus most people will just tether from there phones if they need to connect out of wifi range.
3G would be nice in theory, but I wouldn't be willing to pay for another data subscription when I already have one for my phone.
3G does indeed run on different frequencies. especially in the US, it's a giant clusterfuck of various bands that carriers use as well as completely different technologies for it.
verizon and sprint both use CDMA and different freq
tmobile and at&t both use GSM (like most of europe) at run at different freq. (it's the reason an unlocked iphone will work on tmobile, but you won't get 3g on it.)
for asus to come out with a 3g (or 4g) enabled tablet in the states, it would mean working with some provider to support and sell it, which asus being such a small player would be tough to get any of the big providers to get on board.
one solution would be to install a quad or penta band gsm radio in it (like the galaxy nexus) and let people use it however they want, but then cost comes into play.
personally, i've never seen the draw to 3g enabled tablets, as most people who have one also have a smartphone that they can probably tether to the device.
if i really wanted to get 3g and not tether in some way, i'd probably rather get a hotspot for the same price (service wise) and not use up my tablets battery powering the radio and also be able to connect multiple devices to it.
maybe i shouldn't have replied to this thread but created a new one
what i asked is whether a 3G dongle would work (similar to what archos does), but i guess not
asus could support that and not care about a 3G tablet version, only put the drivers and apps into the firmware.
3G connectivity is cheap in austria, unlimited data plan (without throttle) with 10mbit/s for 15 euros/month (or even much cheaper with throttle), but as i said, i'd only need it for mobile TV.
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Samsung, HTC, and Motorola have existing relations with all the Wireless phone services. That may have something to do with Asus being left out. But besides the Xoom and the Apple, are there any other Wireless Tablets available for contract with wireless phone company?
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The U.S. isn't like the rest of the world. With the exception of Asus, all the manufacturers offer both 3G and Wi-Fi versions of their tablets. Some of what's available in the U.S. are adaptations of those. And data plans in a lot of countries aren't as expensive and don't lock you in to two-year contracts making 3G much more popular outside the U.S.
Asus said in the spring they'd launch a 3G version of the TF1. In November, they sent them out to reviewers. It's still not released and may never be. Apparently, Asus isn't big on 3G.
http://www.tabletbite.com/3g-asus-transformer-spotted-wild-picture-4316/
Charles_A said:
For personal use i don't think i will need 3g much. If/When i do, i have my rooted phone to tether to. So i don't see 3G as that needed a feature. And after following a lot of tech blogs and such it seems a lot of the people commenting are wanting wifi tablets only a lot too.
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I have a HSPA+ 21 UK tablet that I use on AT&T. It's $20 a month with unlimited data and MMS because it's just another non-smartphone on my account. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on Wi-Fi sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off Wi-Fi sharing. If you forget the last thing you're phone's battery is shot. It's shot anyway becasue Wi-Fi sharing's a huge drain. Connecting a tablet after it's been offline's also a pain while you wait for everything to sync before you can start using it. With all the carriers (except Sprint) starting to throttle for excessive usage splitting data over two devices keeps each devices data usage down. I'm usually at 4-6GB a month on both my phone and tablet individually. It's great when you're traveling to be able just whip the tablet out quickly and start using it. I'm not selling anyone on the idea of 3G but it has its advantages.
And there's zero chance the Prime has a GSM radio in it. It wasn't shown in the tear down and wasn't in the sample sent to the FCC for clearance.
yea i had a xoom and phone and it was too much to pay for data so now im just goona hotspot it and not pay $40 for something i dont need.
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.pdanet.tablet
For those of us with honeycomb tablets, you may want to have data everywhere you go on it. But you don't want to hack your phone, cause you just got it on a two year contract. And the carrier price is WAY to expensive, and not unlimited. This is the problem my uncle had when we gave him an Android tablet. With his Evo 4G, he should have data everywhere he goes, and that is where this app comes in.
Advantages.
Its Bluetooth, so no rooting required, if both devices have Bluetooth that is *cough* kindle fire doesn't *cough*
Since its Bluetooth, it doesn't show up to every wifi device within 30 feet of you, and is secured to only work with properly setup devices
Unlike PdaNet for computer tethering, this one is completely free (so is hotspot, but that needs root)
Disadvantages
Bluetooth isn't the fastest method for tethering, but since wifi hotspot is slower than the data you get using the phone, it works out to be about the same. Still a factor though
You need to have data on both devices to get the app in the first place.
It is required of you to set a proxy in order to use this (the proxy is coming from your phone, your data isn't being watched by this app, just Sprint and Carrier IQ )
You need to clear this proxy in order to use normal wifi every time, which can be tedious
As it stands, this is a great method for unlimited data for your tablet without having to void your phone's warrenty. What do you guys think, would this be enough for you to not need to root every phone you get? Can't hurt to find out can it?
I can confirm this works with the Evo Shift, and Evo 4G as servers, and with the Acer Iconia Tab a100 as the client.
What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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cjbailey75 said:
What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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Europe doesn't have LTE And tether sucks battery faster than any game
But I don't need any kind of mobile connectivity anyway on my Prime, HSPA tether is enough
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What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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anyone who buys a 3G tablet likes wasting money or has so much they don't know what to do with free Wi-Fi/USB/Bluetooth tether from smartphone is the only way to go even my 55 year old father knows as much
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What is the big deal of a 3g prime I tether at 4 LTE speeds all day.
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Yea, I hotspot from my phone now, but if money was no object I'd prefer the setup I previously had with my xoom.
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Yea, I hotspot from my phone now, but if money was no object I'd prefer the setup I previously had with my xoom.
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It would be nice, if money was no object. But given that it is, I'm happy tethering my phone; I don't have cause to use my tablet outside of Wi-Fi enabled areas enough to warrant another data plan.
in maine we will not have 4 lte anytime soon, so up here getting some thing lte is a waste.
Because companies like Verizon and At&t limit you to 2GB a month and there's no way you could share the connection with your phone AND tablet for a whole month and not go over that limit?
3G tablet plans cost too much. I just tether to my Galaxy Note as well.
My area doesn't have LTE support. The service providers only just installed new towers a few months ago, and before that my devices were struggling for a signal. What's the point in an LTE device if the most you'll get is hspa?
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I am with T-Mo so LTE is not an option, though speeds are acceptable. I would be willing to shell out a bit for 3G on the tablet for the convenience factor. Since I already have a wi-fi only TP though I am not going to buy another tablet just for 3G.
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Because companies like Verizon and At&t limit you to 2GB a month and there's no way you could share the connection with your phone AND tablet for a whole month and not go over that limit?
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Prior to my contract with Verizon its unlimited and they offer 10 gigs for $50 now which is more than enough. Downloading avg of 18mb a sec its wonderful. Tethering is a dream with my gaze rooted.
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anyone who buys a 3G tablet likes wasting money or has so much they don't know what to do with free Wi-Fi/USB/Bluetooth tether from smartphone is the only way to go even my 55 year old father knows as much
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It depends on how you use your tablet. If you're home or around places with decent Wi-Fi 80% of the time I agree with you. I travel a lot and anyone who does knows you can't depend on Wi-Fi. At hotels, restaurants, or airports.
So you can either get a 3/4G tablet or tether. Tethering is a pain in the ass. Get out the phone, turn on sharing, connect the tablet, disconnect the tablet, turn off sharing. Forget the latter any your phone's battery is hosed. It's hosed anyway because you can literally watch it run down when Wi-Fi sharing's enabled.
Here's some of the advantages of 3/4G:
- Your tablet's always online and can receive e-mails and messages continually.
- You can just flip it open and use it without having to wait for a gazillion background process to all finish competing for the Wi-Fi signal at the same time.
- Your phone's battery is spared the torture of Wi-Fi (or BT) sharing so it's available for calls when you need it.
- You can split your data across multiple devices. For $20 a month on AT&T (they think it's a non-smartphone) my tablet uses 6ishGB of data. I use 4-6GB on my phone too. I'd get flagged and put on a tiered plan if I didn't have seperate devices so it's actually cheaper to have two data plans.
While it's not for everybody it has its advantages. I wouldn't personally own a non-3/4G tablet.
A dialogue between me and my employer.
Employer: Why didn't you get a tablet with 3G/4G built in?
ME:*holding up phone* Do you want to expense two data plans?
Employer: Point taken.
I can leave my wifi tether on literally all day and do very little harm to the battery. Tmobile G2 (HSPA+ 15down2up)
Also there is no conflict with Tmobile's data and phone services. I can answer a call without interrupting my connection.
The trick is to be reasonable about your expectations.
IE: dont stream HD youtube all day, or you'll kill the phone.
I use a 4G (has 3G support) Hotspot device instead of buying additional data plans for various devices.
While I could tether to my phone which is still 3G, when I am in the field, I normally need my phone while using data at the same time and tether would also reduce the battery of the phone quicker as well.
With the 4G hotspot, I can tether up to 5 devices at the same time which includes not only tables, slates, netbooks, notebooks, regular desktops with a WiFi adapter but also even my phone which still has 3G.
In my field kit, I carry a battery unit which will power the 4G hotspot for more than 14 hours continuously, so I can do data for longer than most of the device I could connect to it without AC power.
I can and have many times provided data access to people who were with me who had only WiFi enabled devices securely as well.
Most of the time, I just turn the hotspot on, and stick it in my pocket and have hi-speed Wifi available where I am walking.
I don't use free Unsecure WiFi hotspots.. only secure WiFi connections
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Hi all,
Not sure whether this should go in the Windows Phone forums or Android (You'll see why in a moment).
I am considering buying a Nexus 7 as I (think I) am in need of a smaller tablet to take around with me when I start Sixth Form in September. I have decided that if I ever get ANY Android device in future, it has to be Nexus owing to the fact that my first and only Android device left me with a very bitter view of Android, but after using my friends Nexus 10, I was in love with Android once again, and so the Nexus 7 suits me perfectly. I was wondering on your opinion of whether I should buy the 3G version now and hope that I will need the 3G capabilities, or give my brother £50 for his Nexus 7 seeing as he's just bought an iPad Mini and use it, and see how many times I actually need 3G in day to day use, and then if I need 3G, buy a 3G version of the new Nexus 7 that Google should've announced by September, and if I don't need 3G, just buy the WiFi only version. What do you guys think?
Also, I currently have a Lumia 800 (WP 7.8) and have seen that my friend uses TabletTalk to get the texts from his Galaxy S to his Nexus 10 and can answer them. I was wondering if such a thing existed that provided this functionality, except being able to get the texts from my Windows Phone device on the tablet.
Many Thanks
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I think it depends on where do you live. because it affects how do you use your phone. if you live in a small town with lack of signal I suggest that you choose WiFi only...
Qijos said:
I think it depends on where do you live. because it affects how do you use your phone. if you live in a small town with lack of signal I suggest that you choose WiFi only...
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I live in the booming capital of Luhndun (London)
then I think u could go with 3G, because Phones battery live durability hardly depends on how good the signal they could get. If u live in town with lack of signal and using 3G, your phone will drain more energy just because it need 3G connection while sometimes u couldn't get it because of lack signal, which means the phone will not last long...
You know if you have an Android phone you can tether your 3G to your Nexus 7, that is how i do it when i'm on the go.
My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
Truck505766 said:
My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
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Yes , u can get internet service with non-LTE. You will be gettin Wifi-Connection when you connect to Wife's Hotspot. Data Transfer would be faster cause as you said your Wife has LTE.
Truck505766 said:
My better half caught me looking at the Xperia z ultra. She surprised me with a c6833 model. It should be here the end of the week.
We are over-the-road truck drivers running the lower 48 states. Our phones are on Verizon. I do a lot of calling to book loads and Internet searches. I do some streaming of music and video.
Can I move my Verizon sim card to the new phone? I know I will not get LTE service from Verizon. What I can't find is the simplest questions . Will the phone even make calls, text or MMS? Can I get other Internet service that is non-LTE? Can I connect to my wife's hotspot to get LTE Internet? I may have to get a T-Mobile account, but if there are work arounds I would rather not.
I know around here these are basic questions but if you are going to learn to count to 10, you have to learn how to count to 3 first.
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C6833 - LTE for T-Mobile
C6806 - LTE for T-Mobile and AT&T
C6802 - 3G for all networks
So even thought you have the single band LTE device, you will still get 3G coverage and data/ downloads. You will also be able to connect to your wife's hotspot and get LTE that way. But wont be as fast as LTE through a provider as its piggybacking.
I would suggest getting a T-Mobile account. (if they have coverage for where you will be)
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C6833 - LTE for T-Mobile
C6806 - LTE for T-Mobile and AT&T
C6802 - 3G for all networks
So even thought you have the single band LTE device, you will still get 3G coverage and data/ downloads. You will also be able to connect to your wife's hotspot and get LTE that way. But wont be as fast as LTE through a provider as its piggybacking.
I would suggest getting a T-Mobile account. (if they have coverage for where you will be)
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The problem with the "where you are" plan is we drive 1000+ miles per day. We have no idea where that would be. So as long as I can make the call part work and there is a work around for the interest, I'm happy. The super big screen when viewing load details will far out weigh some of the small draw backs like no LTE or having to connect to a hotspot. We drive for me hours in some states where we don't even have basic phone service.
Truck505766 said:
The problem with the "where you are" plan is we drive 1000+ miles per day. We have no idea where that would be. So as long as I can make the call part work and there is a work around for the interest, I'm happy. The super big screen when viewing load details will far out weigh some of the small draw backs like no LTE or having to connect to a hotspot. We drive for me hours in some states where we don't even have basic phone service.
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yeah I know what you mean. I travel a lot of part of my job, and often I have zero reception too. You'll be happy with your version of the Ultra. wifi hotspots will be the best choice and other than that 3G will suffice.. :good: or nothing...
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yeah I know what you mean. I travel a lot of part of my job, and often I have zero reception too. You'll be happy with your version of the Ultra. wifi hotspots will be the best choice and other than that 3G will suffice.. :good: or nothing...
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While I'm not a cheap SOB, okay I am, if it gets to bad I'll pay up for an account at T-Mobile, but why if I don't really have to?
Thanks everyone. While I can find info down to the glue it's stuck together with I couldn't find the basics of can I call home on it. I'll bet I can find somewhere if ET can phone home with it.