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I'm wondering if it is possible to Dual Boot/Multi Boot Nook Tablet?
e.g. Android + Windows (of course the one for Tablets) OR Linux OR even iOS OR any other?
Anyone interested?
I can be part of this development, though i'm newbie in android world and mostly i'm playing with MatLab, C, C++, Jave (very less) etc. But i think i still can be useful somehow and i am also ready to use my NT for development/testing purpose (provided that i get some solution of backup/restore with apps installed)
thanks
I would consider looking up this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=21323255
Adam provides a little bit of insight about dual booting from sdcard and more!
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windows 8 doesn't work on the Nook. Only the devices which come out with windows 8 can actually run windows 8. ios also doesn't work because there's no source code out there. Linux is under development, I think it's Adam Outler who does that.
yes, for windows/ios, may not possible but i think, linux is possible. i have been going through the threads. actually due to some hardware issues, like processor etc. NT can't be generalized. also, even with rooting, we are still far behind in using its true capabilities.
CM9 is on it's way. Currently sound doesn't work, the kernel paniks sometimes and some minor bugs are the problems for the devs.
well, looking forward for CM9. i hope it will give more freedom than existing root...
I looking forward for CM7, maybe alpha version will be release few next days.
For now this post is primarily a feeler to see if there are any other developers that want to work on dual booting Android and a Linux distribution. My Nexus 10 has shipped but has not yet arrived so I've not done any work on it yet.
The Samsung Chromebook is able to run Ubuntu without issues and it has the same SoC. Hopefully, the Nexus 10 kernel will be similar and can easily use the Linux GPU blobs without a lot of work.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
The Nexus 10's fast CPU in combination with a keyboard case should result in a relatively good experience when running a traditional Linux distribution with KDE Plasma Active or the like.
I'm sure its possible to run as a chroot, and vnc in, but if I could actually use the accelerated GPU, I'd hook up a mouse and keyboard with OTG, it'd be a high res laptop replacement.
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I am very interested in this. I've got F17 and Gentoo running on my ARM Chromebook (and I have a N10).
What are you thinking for multiboot control, moboot?
jmhalder said:
I'm sure its possible to run as a chroot, and vnc in, but if I could actually use the accelerated GPU, I'd hook up a mouse and keyboard with OTG, it'd be a high res laptop replacement.
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Chroot isn't really what I'm wanting either. Hoping to eventually get close to or full hardware support natively.
I am very interested in this. I've got F17 and Gentoo running on my ARM Chromebook (and I have a N10).
What are you thinking for multiboot control, moboot?
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Probably not moboot. LittleKernel was used as a base for moboot which has only really been used on Qualcomm architectures. This, of course, made it perfectly suited for us to use on the HP TouchPad. I'm not sure it would be worth the work required to port it to the Nexus 10.
That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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Chroot isn't really what I'm wanting either. Hoping to eventually get close to or full hardware support natively.
Probably not moboot. LittleKernel was used as a base for moboot which has only really been used on Qualcomm architectures. This, of course, made it perfectly suited for us to use on the HP TouchPad. I'm not sure it would be worth the work required to port it to the Nexus 10.
That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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I'm no developer. But as a Ubuntu user I would love to see you bring this to us! I'd be happy to test anything related.
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dalingrin said:
That said, I don't think a multi booting bootloader is something we need to worry about right now. We can work with simply fastboot to load a different kernel and ramdisk while we work on native Linux. The bootloader can be worked on later after we get a better idea of what we are up against.
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Heh, this is the exact conclusion we came to on the Open webOS project for the gnex.
Sounds good to me.
dalingrin said:
For now this post is primarily a feeler to see if there are any other developers that want to work on dual booting Android and a Linux distribution. My Nexus 10 has shipped but has not yet arrived so I've not done any work on it yet.
The Samsung Chromebook is able to run Ubuntu without issues and it has the same SoC. Hopefully, the Nexus 10 kernel will be similar and can easily use the Linux GPU blobs without a lot of work.
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=samsung_chrome_a15&num=1
The Nexus 10's fast CPU in combination with a keyboard case should result in a relatively good experience when running a traditional Linux distribution with KDE Plasma Active or the like.
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(1) Thanks for the initative! I'm still enjoying your work with the Nook Color, and I really look forward to a native port of ubuntu on the N10.
(2) I'm not a developer but I would be delighted to help out with testing etc.
(3) I know that development has yet to begin, but do you envison being able to use N10 both (ie. some sort of dualboot?) as an android device and as a light laptop -- latex, light C coding? And if so, would 16g be enough or would it need 32g to be useable (as opposed to just playing around....)? I'm to order the N10 and I have a limited budget; your advice on this is most appreciative.
Thanks!
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...would 16g be enough or would it need 32g
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http://www.indiegogo.com/pengpod
Pengpod1000 has 8GB for dual boot.
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In terms of space, Windows 8 requirements on ARM is the same 4 - 5 GB.
It is interesting that Exynos 5 dual core supports Direct X11 which indicates it was designed to also target Windows.
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case-sensitive said:
(1) Thanks for the initative! I'm still enjoying your work with the Nook Color, and I really look forward to a native port of ubuntu on the N10.
(2) I'm not a developer but I would be delighted to help out with testing etc.
(3) I know that development has yet to begin, but do you envison being able to use N10 both (ie. some sort of dualboot?) as an android device and as a light laptop -- latex, light C coding? And if so, would 16g be enough or would it need 32g to be useable (as opposed to just playing around....)? I'm to order the N10 and I have a limited budget; your advice on this is most appreciative.
Thanks!
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I definitely want to dual boot eventually. 16GB will be enough but will get cramped quickly if you store a few videos and music.
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I would also like to help beta testing. Ive also got an idea of programming but i think i would just slow down the production...
I would support this too.
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is there any way to get this
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Nexus7/Installation
running in dualboot on the nexus 10?
Maybe a bootmenu like on gokhan's siyah kernel on the SIII ?
I just chroot-installed lubuntu 12.04 on my N10, using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009 This is just for curiosity's sake, to see what ubuntu is like on the N10, both in terms of usage/GUI and in terms of performance (knowing full well that performance will take a big hit under chroot/VNC). Here my little report, in case it would be of use as a reference for developing/running linux natively on the N10.
In short: lubuntu is almost usable. Graphics is sluggish (as expected?); as you move xterm across the screen you actually see a series of rectangles and it takes a few seconds for the DE to clean it up. Once you're inside the xterm then the system seems fairly responsive. I was able to apt-get install latex and libreoffice (!) and both work. Curiously scp does not work (ssh does) and I didn't spend much time investigating scp. I can't install dropbox.
I set the resolution of the VNC viewer to be 2560x1500 (leaving room for the android buttons). That was a mistake; menu/window frames/scroll bars etc are TINY. I should have used a smaller resolution and then pinch-zoom. Suggestion for developer: Make everything bigger.
According to top, just running the VNC viewer takes 110-120% of the CPU. That means if we can run linux naively we should expect much better performance.
Finally, I installed "System Profiler & Benchmark". Here's the output of the benchmark for the N10 vs that of an N270 atom netbook with 1G of ram and my Quad Core Q9400 @ 2.66GHz (for all benchmarks below except for cryptohash: a smaller number is better):
CPU Blowfish
Q9400 2003 MHz 3.283
N10 Unknown MHz 24.159
netbook 1600MHz 16.305 <-- not typo
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 1.50GHz (null) 26.1876862
PowerPC 740/750 (280.00MHz) (null) 172.816713
CPU CryptoHash
Q9400 356.041
N10 67.604
netbook 57.059
CPU Fibonacci
Q9400 3.021
N10 5.861
netbook 8.358
Intel(R) Celeron(R) M processor 8.1375674
PowerPC 740/750 58.07682
CPU N-Queens
Q9400 17.614
N10 15.616 <-- not typo
netbook 17.852
FPU FFT
Q9400 1.560
N10 13.498
netbook 17.646
FPU Raytracing
Q9400 19.257
N10 20.286
netbook 33.042
Intel (R) Celeron (R) M processor 40.8816714
PowerPC 740/750 161.312647
I would love to see a Linux distribution running on the Nexus 10.
My preferred one is Mer and the user interface of my choice is Plasma Active (this would later allow a port of Sailfish OS, if a tablet UI gets available).
Is anybody else interested in accomplishing this port?
My previous experience is a proof-of-concept port of MeeGo/Mer to the HTC Desire HD:
So is there any plans on someone trying to get this on the N10?
fr8cture said:
So is there any plans on someone trying to get this on the N10?
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Just got my Nexus 10 and I'll definitely look into this - although some help wouldn't be bad.
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I just chroot-installed lubuntu 12.04 on my N10, using http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1585009 This is just for curiosity's sake, to see what ubuntu is like on the N10, both in terms of usage/GUI and in terms of performance (knowing full well that performance will take a big hit under chroot/VNC). Here my little report, in case it would be of use as a reference for developing/running linux natively on the N10.
In short: lubuntu is almost usable. Graphics is sluggish (as expected?); as you move xterm across the screen you actually see a series of rectangles and it takes a few seconds for the DE to clean it up. Once you're inside the xterm then the system seems fairly responsive. I was able to apt-get install latex and libreoffice (!) and both work. Curiously scp does not work (ssh does) and I didn't spend much time investigating scp. I can't install dropbox.
I set the resolution of the VNC viewer to be 2560x1500 (leaving room for the android buttons). That was a mistake; menu/window frames/scroll bars etc are TINY. I should have used a smaller resolution and then pinch-zoom. Suggestion for developer: Make everything bigger.
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I've got a Debian chroot running on mine until we get a proper dual-boot solution using a slightly modified from of this script: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1328742
Running LXDE, its definitely usable for text heavy stuff like office. While the visuals would be a little muddy, I'd recommend running at 1280x752. That's a perfect fit while leaving room for the buttons, and things are large enough that you could realistically use it. If you wanted to run at full res, use 2560x1504.
If you're using a bluetooth mouse with yours, I highly recommend using Jump Desktop as your VNC viewer. Its the only one I know of that supports right clicks. The only drawback is you cant run it at full resolution unless you lower the color depth, it crashes immediately otherwise.
I would love to see this happen!
I'm taking my first programming classes this semester, and I'd love to see Ubuntu come to the N10. That would be pretty dang sweet. :cyclops:
I can't see any framebuffer output (enabled VT and FB in .config) and I really don't know why.. Nothing suspicious in /proc/last_kmsg after reboot (it just hangs at some point, watchdog reboots)
Will take some time to debug this odd behaviour (maybe anybody has some clues what could have gone wrong?)
For all the developers on this board, what if you had...
a higher powered Mini
AOSP, let's say Marshmallow or better
all the dev tools you'd need to get to work
...what would you, could you dream to develop this computer to do?
TV box? Gaming console? Android PC? Smart home device?
Please share with us your brainstorm ideas on this. Have fun with it and don't think about what's already out on the market... think out of the box, reach for the stars, and all the other cliches you can think of. Please share in the comments below.
Thanks!
A combination of all the above!
Smart nuclear powered anti-starship laser guns.
Just kidding, possibly a wireless router or a media server.
well I like something like win 7 ultimate. with a htpc media center,good gaming and nice professional os with good look.
not the current flat look but something more 3d like seven was.
but I am sure you prefer a idea for your Android stuff...
so what about jide making intel cherry trail devices? those could be nice for TV box or computer? or good snapdragon with long term support?
tailslol said:
well I like something like win 7 ultimate. with a htpc media center,good gaming and nice professional os with good look.
not the current flat look but something more 3d like seven was.
but I am sure you prefer a idea for your Android stuff...
so what about jide making intel cherry trail devices? those could be nice for TV box or computer? or good snapdragon with long term support?
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Or MediaTek, but force them to give you updated kernel sources and release them to the public.
Just saying because MTK chips last longer, and perform better (except for GPU performance) than counterpart Snapdragon chips.
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Or MediaTek, but force them to give you updated kernel sources and release them to the public.
Just saying because MTK chips last longer, and perform better (except for GPU performance) than counterpart Snapdragon chips.
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not mediatek they hide their resources sometime. and absolutely not Allwinner their chip are ****s... Rockchip or amilogic S is OK in the worse case scenario...
NVIDIA tegra are pricey but good for all in ones.especialy with Google support behind.
Or you can cheat on the support by using same Chips as Android one phones, nexus. or pixel..so no source hiding.
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not mediatek they hide their resources sometime. and absolutely not Allwinner their chip are ****s... Rockchip or amilogic S is OK in the worse case scenario...
NVIDIA tegra are pricey but good for all in ones.especialy with Google support behind.
Or you can cheat on the support by using same Chips as Android one phones, nexus. or pixel..so no source hiding.
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Did you not see what I had witten about forcing MediaTek to release their kernel sources?
Rockchip also hides many of their kernel sources, and are a pain to work with, (I had to use an ancient computer from over a decade ago, and had to install Windows XP, since it wouldn't work with anything newer).
Allwinner are a solid choice, since they are much more open with their sources, and are much easier to work with, it's just that not many developers work with them, but those that do, testify to them being much easier to work with.
About Amlogic, I have no idea.
Nvidia, are really good, but are even worse than MediaTek and Rockchip at releasing kernel sources, so unless it's the same chipset as the Nexus 9, it needs to be out of the question.
But please no BIG.little processors, they are great on paper, however in the real world, while they deliver, they don't deliver even close to what they should, ending up being a waste of money, since the worth:cost ratio is much farther.
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Did you not see what I had witten about forcing MediaTek to release their kernel sources?
Rockchip also hides many of their kernel sources, and are a pain to work with, (I had to use an ancient computer from over a decade ago, and had to install Windows XP, since it wouldn't work with anything newer).
Allwinner are a solid choice, since they are much more open with their sources, and are much easier to work with, it's just that not many developers work with them, but those that do, testify to them being much easier to work with.
About Amlogic, I have no idea.
Nvidia, are really good, but are even worse than MediaTek and Rockchip at releasing kernel sources, so unless it's the same chipset as the Nexus 9, it needs to be out of the question.
But please no BIG.little processors, they are great on paper, however in the real world, while they deliver, they don't deliver even close to what they should, ending up being a waste of money, since the worth:cost ratio is much farther.
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the thing about big little... nowadays with the failure of TV boxes and the slow death of tablets most big company are targeting the phone market.
and big little is mostly for phones ...
but I think the only problem is not targeting the lower end or not using too old than 2 years chips and sometime it is just better to spend a lil more for higher support and better performances.
on Nvidia side almost all chips have been open sourced by Google long time ago.
the tegra x1 in pixel c the tegra 2 3 4 and k1 in nexus tablets... so yea....
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the thing about big little... nowadays with the failure of TV boxes and the slow death of tablets most big company are targeting the phone market.
and big little is mostly for phones ...
but I think the only problem is not targeting the lower end or not using too old than 2 years chips and sometime it is just better to spend a lil more for higher support and better performances.
on Nvidia side almost all chips have been open sourced by Google long time ago.
the tegra x1 in pixel c the tegra 2 3 4 and k1 in nexus tablets... so yea....
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Ah sorry, I had checked it.
And it looks like they have their own code repository now, so things have definitely changed.
RemixOS_Jason said:
For all the developers on this board, what if you had...
a higher powered Mini
AOSP, let's say Marshmallow or better
all the dev tools you'd need to get to work
...what would you, could you dream to develop this computer to do?
TV box? Gaming console? Android PC? Smart home device?
Please share with us your brainstorm ideas on this. Have fun with it and don't think about what's already out on the market... think out of the box, reach for the stars, and all the other cliches you can think of. Please share in the comments below.
Thanks!
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I would build my own version of Android!
Dual boot as much as possible!
Publish my Project ROC quicker
What about using the mini along with wireless display, and use them as a home security/automation hub? Allowing many apps and already existing "connected" devices like Philips HUE, WiFi Cameras, etc to connect and be configured for automation. Then assigning older android devices to pair and be set in various rooms, to be used as wifi motion detectors.
Well as a developer, I'd improve the way I interact with my devices as an user.
Chromecast and Android Home devices are great but they're not how the future should actually look. In my opinion Google is limiting hardware on those devices to keep prices low and make them impossible to run upcoming software, more powerful software.
Okay let's say we have an AIO device (similar to Android Home) but with a few sets of functionality baked in:
- Network attached Storage: Store all the things you want to share with the family (photos, music, movies...)
- Network attached Storage: Stream whatever is hosted in the box to the "cast enabled devices around the device"
- Network attached Storage: Synced folders between family devices per user request (similar to how resilio sync works)
- Network attached Storage: Remote access for downloads (you're out of home but you start a download that will be waiting for you when you arrive)
- Assistant: Always On Keyword detection
- Assistant: Customized context-aware commands per user inside the network (If John or his devices are not connected to the Wireless network or discoverable through BLE don't suggest content that he might like)
- Assistant: TV as a remote interface of the device with a dashboard, the device microphone as a IO device of the TV.
- Assistant: Device state awareness, notify when battery is low on x device.
BRAINSTORM -- What if Jide actually focused on getting the projects they currently have out working to perfection instead of coming out with new semi broken products?! Then, when everything worked as best as possible, Jide could come out with new stuff that makes the current goodness even better!!!! Wow, what a novel concept!
If i had it, (and if i can), I'll bring the android code and libs to windows,, it's just like WINE on Ubuntu, and isn't like the ancient emulator which is kill my usage
So,, yes... I'll open the play store just when i click it in my windows PC's, installing apk just in Program Files (Android) folder, using linux or android command in cmd (like bash actually) and getting a root access with just allow the UAC
I know that there may be many other guides out there that talk about this subject, but what I found is that they don't really work that well with the latest versions of RemixOS, and I had to do a lot of research and tinkering to get mine working.
With that, I felt that it was helpful for me to share my findings and how I got it working, so I made a video for it.
Hope you guys find it useful.
Great video. I'd love to try it but I still can't get Remix to run on my old single core mobile cpu laptop but there is no support for these older cpu's and I've not had any helpful feedback from the Remx team, or any of the forums. It's a shame because the old machine wouid probably run Remix way better than windows, or an old version of Linux.. Dell Inspiron 5150 with Intel Pentium 4 3.06 GHz. It's not a great machine by todays standards but it bugs me that it's just sitting on the shelf.
Hey thanks for the video, although I still can't get it to boot up on its own. I have a gateway netbook which shouldn't be too far off from the Acer. Everything goes smoothly, everything works, till I reboot. The os doesn't load, I just get a black screen with a blinking underscore on the top left. I have tried everything I know, which is not too much. Any help would be great.
Thanks
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Great video. I'd love to try it but I still can't get Remix to run on my old single core mobile cpu laptop but there is no support for these older cpu's and I've not had any helpful feedback from the Remx team, or any of the forums. It's a shame because the old machine wouid probably run Remix way better than windows, or an old version of Linux.. Dell Inspiron 5150 with Intel Pentium 4 3.06 GHz. It's not a great machine by todays standards but it bugs me that it's just sitting on the shelf.
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Try DamnSmallLinux, a great tiny distro for pcs with low performance.
So, my trusty Chromebook Flip has reached it's end of life and hasn't received updated for months... what next?
Ideally, i'd like to replace the OS with Gallium or Cloudready or any of the managed ports but would also be interested in making it a Linux onlly machine.
I've removd the write protection screw from the motherboard and enabled developer mode but am now a bit lost as to what to do next. I got as far as trying to run mrchromebox.tech/firmware-util only to receive the message that ARM devices aren't supported. Eeek! Is there an ARM supported means of flashing a fresh BIOS which allows booting a new OS?
If anyone has repurposed a C100P after end of life i'd love to hear what stable OS alternatives are available for the flip - ideally ones that can be run from boot.
gascomm said:
So, my trusty Chromebook Flip has reached it's end of life and hasn't received updated for months... what next?
Ideally, i'd like to replace the OS with Gallium or Cloudready or any of the managed ports but would also be interested in making it a Linux onlly machine.
I've removd the write protection screw from the motherboard and enabled developer mode but am now a bit lost as to what to do next. I got as far as trying to run mrchromebox.tech/firmware-util only to receive the message that ARM devices aren't supported. Eeek! Is there an ARM supported means of flashing a fresh BIOS which allows booting a new OS?
If anyone has repurposed a C100P after end of life i'd love to hear what stable OS alternatives are available for the flip - ideally ones that can be run from boot.
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I am in a simular situation and hope someone out there has a tricked out C100P.
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I am in a simular situation and hope someone out there has a tricked out C100P.
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I gave up waiting and sold it for £70 on eBay. It's Pixelbook Go replacement was chosen primarily for its long life of updates. Shame, I did love everything about the Flip.
The answer you're looking for is PrawnOS: https://github.com/SolidHal/PrawnOS
It is based on Debian 11 and works well on the ASUS C100P. (It also works with the ASUS C201.)
It is the most up-to-date version of Linux (Gallium is not updated since 2019) for the C100P.
I personally use it with the XFCE Desktop, but if you like the interface of ChromeOS, go with Gnome.
In the open issues, it can have a problem to boot if you use encryption while installing on SD card.
I installed it on the eMMC, which flushes away ChromeOS (which gives you more space, I have something like 11,50 Gb free after initial install, on a total 16 Gb capacity !).
Go with the armhf image, since the C100P has an ARM Cortex A17, which is a 32 bits, 4/4, 1, 80 GHz processor.
This image is Libre, so it is not blobby out-of-the-box. (More on that on the Github page.)
I had to buy myself an Atheros 9271 WiFi dongle to use WiFi (monitor and injection mode included ), and I also bought an Ethernet-to-USB adaptor.
Bluethoot will not work without a dongle, too.
It's a systemd distro, but, hey, it's still better than ChromeOS !
For pentesters out there: installing the complete Wifite dependencies made my installation crash a couple of times ( I cannot boot again after it) , so it's better to avoid it.
I had no problems with aircrack-ng/airodump-ng nor with mdk4.
Something I didn't considered when writing this comment: there is NO REPOSITORY for security upgrades in PrawnOS !
I will give away or sell my C100P, or maybe just turn it into a media player for Kodi.
But it's kinda sad that a great Github project like this lacks security upgrades.
Maybe it's the wake up call to get away from Chromebooks and other devices that are built to end in the trash bin :/
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