so ive upgraded to a z2 but after comparing the side by side shots of both devices, the z is so much more sharper to the point where it has better details
orginal z
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look at the clouds infront of the sun, total lack of sharpness on the z2. both shot superior auto and both automatically chose the backlight scene. oddly enough the z2 has almost double the file size.
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so ive upgraded to a z2 but after comparing the side by side shots of both devices, the z is so much more sharper to the point where it has better details
orginal z
z2
look at the clouds infront of the sun, total lack of sharpness on the z2. both shot superior auto and both automatically chose the backlight scene. oddly enough the z2 has almost double the file size.
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the higher the resoltution of your picture the worse quality, as always but lowering to 2mp makes pictures almost identicle across all xperias aside the effects of different lense sizes given your taking a daylight shot
also take note that almost all current avaliable firmware versions have a small camera issue causing pictures to turn out yellowish or very unfocused
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the higher the resoltution of your picture the worse quality, as always but lowering to 2mp makes pictures almost identicle across all xperias aside the effects of different lense sizes given your taking a daylight shot
also take note that almost all current avaliable firmware versions have a small camera issue causing pictures to turn out yellowish or very unfocused
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The z2 captured at 8mp and the z at 12 mp (their superior auto modes).
After further experimentation. The camera is very sensitive to minor discrepancies in the autofocus. If I capture the same scene, some of them will be clear and others not. Also, I believe that the physical camera button adds am extra element of shake.
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The z2 captured at 8mp and the z at 12 mp (their superior auto modes).
After further experimentation. The camera is very sensitive to minor discrepancies in the autofocus. If I capture the same scene, some of them will be clear and others not. Also, I believe that the physical camera button adds am extra element of shake.
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well i did find the Z2 camera to be realy good in manual mode but auto mode just makes pictures horrible, even in manual mode if your settings are auto they still turn out sharper than in auto,
i did do a test up against auto mode and we determined auto mode makes pictures less sharp and unbalanced in color
we also descovered the same issue for all 4.4 xperias, some being worse than others in auto mode
The SA mode on z1/z2 is extremely easy switch to sport mode when you just got minor hand shake and that will bump up the shutter speed and ISO. Thus the photo will probably appear more noise, darker and softer.
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The SA mode on z1/z2 is extremely easy switch to sport mode when you just got minor hand shake and that will bump up the shutter speed and ISO. Thus the photo will probably appear more noise, darker and softer.
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I absolutely agree with this. The Sport mode is ridiculous overzealous. I was just attempting to capture a totally static living room scene and the sport mode was flashing on and off whilst I was holding the device as still as possible.
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Is there any way to get better pic quality from the Hermes camera? When taking pics indoors the pics are REALLY bad quality! Outside is a different story as they don't look too bad.
Just wanna know if there's any way of improving the quality of pictures taken with the phones 2mp cam.
Thanks!
I totally agree, the picture quality of the photos is RUBBISH and there's no reason for it.
[1] I have an old O2 Mini XDAII which only has 1.4 Mega Pixel camera which takes WAY BETTER photos than the Hermes
[2] When I've emailed a photo I've taken with the Hermes camera to my friends, they've used PhotoShop to fix up the photo to perfect quality ! ! !
IE There's no reason why the photo quality from the Hermes is rubbish
This is due to the camera sensor... The more mp you cram onto the same tiny sensor, the worse the 'noise' gets.
In low light, the camera effectively boosts the sensitivity (ISO equivilant) causing noise. The reason your older 1.4mp camera looks better is because there are less pixels to pick up the noise. Kinda confusing, google "digital ISO noise" and read up on it. You'll understand why it's like that. If you want great indoor pictures, invest in a camera
Poor photo quality from camera phones is mainly due to the type of sensor used: CMOS. This sensor is slightly cheaper and needs less power but is not as sensitive as CCD and therefor produce more noise. CCD sensors are the most common in regular digital cameras in all except the large dSLR cameras where CMOS is mostly used instead, again due to the cost and power requirements. But in dSLR's the sensors are very large and therefore produce almost as low noise as CCD.
Actually I believe most dSLR's use CCD sensors, with a couple exceptions. The major one being Canon.
I think you're partly right. A few dSLR producers:
Canon: CMOS in all their dSLRs
Nikon: Latest models (D300 and D3) are CMOS cameras while their older (like the D40X) were CCD.
Sony: DSLR-A700 is CMOS, DSLR-A100 was CCD. The CMOS sensor is a new type they call EXMOS and claim to be similar to CCD in sensitivity.
Olympus: Latest use NMOS(???) sensors while their older were all CCD.
Pentax: Only CCD.
Sigma: Only CMOS.
Okay, but with the subject at hand, I think the bigger problem with the phone is the sensor size though, not the sensor type.
Look at Pentax, Their 6mp dSLR's show better high ISO performance than their newest 10mp dSLR. Why? The sensors are the same size, but they crammed more photosites onto it. The more photosites on the same size sensor, USUALLY means more noise (especially visible at high ISO levels).
That same reasoning is why the 1.4mp camera phone has better picture quality indoors than that of the 2mp camera phone.
-Nick (Event Photographer)
So really, "mp" is not really a good measure of the quality of a camera. Let that be a lesson to all of us.
So when we go to buy a camera, and we are offered a 6 mp camera or an 8 mp camera, what question should we ask ?
Before deciding on a camera, go to DPReview.com and compare the specs, including sensor size.
If you think this camera's bad on the Hermes you should have seen the pics on my XDA Exec!
Hi!
At the moment i still have my SE P1i is got 3.2 m pix camera wth autofocus make butiful pix be honestly, but due lack of the software i turned 2 WM device i used bafore SE P990 unfortunatelly after the SE P910 something goes wrong. sony forgot develop??? tose last 2 PDA P990,P1i is the utterly crap.So just still waiting SE wth WM6 so far :-( but i love my Hermy now thanks 2 u guys, that is WORKING fine amazing connectivity and speed. battery hungry beast yeah, but 3000mAh solve this problem thanks.
The Hermes can produce fairly good photos. Here's one photo I shot with my first JASJAM:
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Having said that, my current (second) JASJAM doesn't produce anything like the above photo. Instead it's more like the JAMin, with it's heavy-handed noise reduction turning all photos into water-color paintings. :-(
My outdoor pics look fine OK.
It's indoor pics with bad lighting in the day or with the indoor lights turned on at night where the pics look bad... Anything in bright daylight indoors, or in the daytime outside is fine usually.
im thinking the variation in quality between phones might have to do with the crappy transparent plastic in front of it. Not all plastic pieces are equally clear
Im too lazy at the moment, but my camera really sucks and the plastic on my phone is cracked and scratched. I'll remove it one day and see how it goes with no plastic in the way.
Ways to improve the picture of the camera are to
1. Take the sharpening from default 7 to 1
2. Reduce the contrast from default to 1 or 2
3. Change the metering mode Centre mode to Area (this help in low light)
4. Change quality from fine to super fine.
5. Manually switch between the white balance settings in low light to see which one is best.
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Ways to improve the picture of the camera are to
2. Reduce the contrast from default to 1 or 2
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I have owned a total of four different Hermes (three old HT649 HERM100 and a recent HT716 HERM200) and concluded that they are equipped with two types of cameras:
- The first type for which the above contrast setting does a great help to improve picture quality but at the same time the camera is not so sensitive and produces quite dark photos in low light. But this camera handles automatic white balance very well.
- The second type for which the above contrast setting completely ruins photos! But this camera is much more sensitive in low light but with very, very poor handling of auto white balance where for example dark magenta will appear as blue(!) and manual selection doesn't improve this.
To be honest, the camera isn't bad in the Sony Xperia Z Ultra. When set to iso 100, focus mode to multi auto focus and metering to average, you can get some pretty decent pictures should you be able to hold the phone ultra still even when dark.
Rules to this thread. No editing or enhancing photos, cropping only if you must. This is to compare and see how good the photos can look. Please resize images to around 1024X768 otherwise the images will be too big for some and will save people having to scroll left and right to see them.
We may not have the best camera in the Z Ultra but when looking at these, it's not at all bad. All shots taken in slightly poor lighting and using the above settings:
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Might get a bit more feedback here
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Your right, guess I missed that one.
However, this thread is about posting your BEST pictures, not just any picture.
Hopefully there will be more response.
Sunset taken by my zultra
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To be honest, the camera isn't bad in the Sony Xperia Z Ultra. When set to iso 100, focus mode to multi auto focus and metering to average, you can get some pretty decent pictures should you be able to hold the phone ultra still even when dark.
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We may not have the best camera in the Z Ultra but when looking at these, it's not at all bad. All shots taken in slightly poor lighting and using the above settings:
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must admit, i didn't know Z ultra was capable of taking detail photos. you have to be an expert in photography to pull this feat
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must admit, i didn't know Z ultra was capable of taking detail photos. you have to be an expert in photography to pull this feat
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^ Lol, well I do own a DSLR camera and have been into photography for years. I just manually changed some settings, held the phone ultra still and took the photos. Luckily the hamster remained still and posed for the pictures.
The blasted hamster has escaped as always. I still cannot find it since it likes hiding under the cupboards in the kitchen, dam thing.
It's escaped countless of times. Hard part is finding the animal. I've named it escape artist since whatever I try and do it escapes. :laugh:
Will shortly add some more pictures.
Just something from my desk to participate!
Will try better later.
My phone buddies. Can't go out without them.
I like the colors from this camera. Very natural for the most part.
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Best photo,even the best quality out there(z ultra camera)
kanej2006 said:
^ Lol, well I do own a DSLR camera and have been into photography for years. I just manually changed some settings, held the phone ultra still and took the photos. Luckily the hamster remained still and posed for the pictures.
The blasted hamster has escaped as always. I still cannot find it since it likes hiding under the cupboards in the kitchen, dam thing.
It's escaped countless of times. Hard part is finding the animal. I've named it escape artist since whatever I try and do it escapes. :laugh:
Will shortly add some more pictures.
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Could you share settings you often use for macro, daylight, portrait and indoor? (ISO, de-noise, focus type...) Do you use default ZU camera app?
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Could you share settings you often use for macro, daylight, portrait and indoor? (ISO, de-noise, focus type...) Do you use default ZU camera app?
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Yes, I use the default Z Ultra camera.
Settings for all photos are as follows:
7M resolution
Focus mode to multi auto focus
White balance to WB Auto
ISO to 100
Metering to average
Image stabiliser off
Hope this helps.
Both photos shot indoors with poor light.
One converted to black and white.
Some more random photos:
Took these this morning before work. They came out VERY sharp. Let me know what you think:
My best photo
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Center of my town, Örebro in Sweden. Yes we are blessed with a castle smack in the middle of our city.
Sent from my Sony Z Ultra
^ Great photo dannejanne, your town looks beautiful. I hope to visit Sweden some day.
Sent from my Z Ultra
this 52mm lens is bothering me.
Photos from 2x zoom under normal light and lowlight environment most of them are digital zoom photo from 26mm lenses (fake 52mm photo,digital zoom). Difficult to switch to real 52mm lens, sometime the 26mm digital zoom and 52mm preview screen have been switching continuously after press 2X button ,nonstop. sometime delay, sometime lagging.
I know that sometimes multiple cameras will be “camouflaged” into other focal lengths based on light level with digital zoom.But the requirement to switch to real 52mm lens is too harsh in xperia 1. In a restaurant normal light environment you just can't switch to 52mm.
In the same low light , when you lucky switch to a 52mm lens, the picture clarity is much better than the 26m digital zoom from 2X ,I compared a lot are all same result. Ps4 gamepad is illuminated with a desk lamp and use a phone tripod for stable，2X always on 26mm digital zoom status,try switch 1x-2x like 50 times,finally got a 52mm one. Hope this is just a software issue or separate case, I need to know do I have to go service or wait update.
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from 2X (still 26mm digital zoom)
left 52mm, right 26mm digital zoom,both 2X
rom 2X (still 26mm digital zoom)
from 2X (52mm)
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I just tried a few other xperia1 in store all the same problem, under bright light shooting dark object it switching continuously between 26mm digital zoom and 52mm lens ,.sometime delay, sometime lagging. It seems this is a software problem ，also 52mm lens focusing slow and unfocus in short distance sometime. Other say that the Note9 used to have the same problem.Hope this can be adjust better in software update.
After some trial，I found that when 2X macro shooting , it uses the 26mm digital zoom to get closer distance. This is no problem. The problem is that switching between 2X lenses and the main lens digital zoom in some common normal light environment is still annoying，for example, under regular supermarket lighting take some distant products,the effect of 52mm is much better than the digital zoom of the main camera,the camera seems very difficult to choose which one to use.The only way to sure switch 52mm is to use portrait mode, then drag the background blur effect to 0 , But the photo capacity is 15M, which is three times of the normal camera mode.
I tried other mobile phones, some of the main camera pixels are very high, so it is advisable to use the digital zoom of the main camera to simulate telephoto in some scenes.In xperia1 case need more detailed adjustment.
Same issues here ..
Hi All,
Could anyone explain to me if there is any real "proof" of the fact that Samsung Galaxy A52s 5G has Optical Image Stabilization (OIS)? I have compared it with Galaxy A32 4G phone and from the point of image stabilization settings there is no difference. Both have the "Video stabilization" option like in the attached picture so this must be a setting for EIS, not for OIS because A32 lacks OIS. In addition OIS I think also works in still picture mode.
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This confuses me a lot. Is OIS an "always on" feature that cannot be controlled? Like a hidden feature? I cannot tell the difference from the user/UI point of view when comparing A52 with A32 in this regard...
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Yes, OIS is always on. It is a mechanical feature and therefore you cannot turn it off. EIS (like with the video stabilisation) on the other hand is a software feature and so you can turn it off in software. OIS is far more powerful with still pictures than Electronic Image Stabilization.
If you look at the specs from Samsung you will notice that the camera of the A52s is listed as OIS and no one with credibility has doubted this.
OIS is mechanical and cannot be turned on or off.
The A52 uses OIS on it's main lense and can use EIS when you turn on Super Steady Mode which uses the Ultrawide lense.
Is it echoing in here….?
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Is it echoing in here….?
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Oh sorry
Thank you guys for confirming this.
In the meantime I have performed some side by side tests of A52s and A32 phones and I must say OIS is definitely there in A52s. I have turned off "Video stabilization" feature on both phones and took some videos. A32 videos were more shaky (I have a bit shaky hands) and the real difference could be seen when shooting a video at 10x zoom. A52s preview window was very stable, almost like there was little difference if I additionally turned on the "Video stabilization" feature. On the other hand, A32 videos were really shaky with "Video stabilization" feature off and went stable when I turned the stabilization feature on. So "Video stabilization" feature is for sure controlling only EIS.
I must add however that OIS is not strictly mechanical, but electro-mechanical method and nothing prevents this technology to be controlled from the phone if desired. Here is a nice whitepaper from STM32 on this topic:
https://www.st.com/content/ccc/resource/technical/document/white_paper/c9/a6/fd/e4/e6/4e/48/60/ois_white_paper.pdf/files/ois_white_paper.pdf/jcr:content/translations/en.ois_white_paper.pdf
Cheers.
There is a difference between electro-mechanical and electronic. The electro part of the OIS is a way to control the moving lens parts by electromagnets and the electronic part of EIS is a way of using the CPU to retain the picture steady in memory.
I will stick to my earlier statement that OIS is mechanical and EIS is electronic. I know of only one scenario when it could be of use to disable OIS and that is astrophotography. But to be honest I really do not think anyone will use the phone for this! There is no need to implement totally useless settings.
You can tell there's OIS just by looking on the lens when the camera app is on. Wiggle the phone around slightly and slowly and you can see the middle lens slightly lagging behind the motion, sometimes even showing parts of flat ring around the lens. When you turn the camera off, the lens doesn't do that.
Also when you look to viewfinder and wiggle the phone with normal camera, it feels much smoother than with e.g. non-stabilised wide camera.
And if you just shake the phone (doesn't have to be on), you can hear slight clicking of the floating lens.
Product review of Oppo Reno8
I’ve been using the Oppo Reno8 for 2 weeks and these are my impressions.
I got the phone in Shimmer Gold and I must say that this is the most beautiful phone colour. As the name suggests, the phone literally shimmers in the light. At different angles, the surface of the phone reflects light differently and appears in rainbow colours. On top of it, it is fingerprint resistant. In fact, I was reluctant to put on a phone case. Fortunately, the phone comes with a clear phone cover with a cut out for the camera, included in the box! Here are some images of the beautiful phone:
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Weighing only 179g, with a large screen size of 6.4 inches, I could watch videos on the move while holding my phone comfortably. The colours were also nice and vibrant, with a screen resolution of 2400 X 1080 pixels. I often edit photos on my phone, so the range of colours displayed is really important for me.
The operating system is ColorOS 12.1. A super cool function I discovered the phone had was Air Gestures. This function allows you to scroll, answer phone calls or play/ pause videos without touching the phone. I tried it out while trying to follow a video to cook a new dish and it was super convenient. I could easily pause and play the video when I needed more time for any step without touching the phone (and making it oily or covered with flour!)
For a photographer, the cameras on the phone are crucial. Oppo Reno8 features the Dual Sony Flagship Sensors. There are 3 rear cameras. The specs of the main camera are 50MP, 1/1.56"; f/1.8; FOV 86°; 7P lens; AF. The specs of the Macro camera are FOV 89°; 3P lens; FF and the specs for the wide-angle camera are f/2.2; FOV 112°; 5P lens; FF. Specs for the front camera are 32MP, 1/2.74"; f/2.4; 32MP (f/2.4); FOV 85°; lens: 5P, FF. I was impressed by the quality of the selfie camera due to the high resolution. It also has some “beautifying” effects which makes me look good even when I didn’t have time to put on any make-up!
I put the cameras to the test the moment I unboxed it. One known limitations of phone cameras is the ability to function in low light settings and this was what I tested out. You can check out my unboxing video to see how it performed. I then tested taking photos at 1 location using the default “photo” mode, the “night” mode and also the “pro” mode. I often use the pro mode when I want to control the iso and exposure time but I was curious to see how the night mode performed for users who may not be comfortable with using the pro mode.
The subject I chose was the rain vortex at Jewel, Changi Airport. F 1.8 and 5.42mm was used for all 3 photos, using the main camera.
The 1st photo was taken using default settings, iso was 3609 and exposure 1/100sec.
The 2nd photo was taken using night mode. I was prompted to hold the phone steady. The iso was reduced to 967 and exposure time increased to 1/20 sec. Note that if you do not hold the phone steady, the image will be blurred.
The 3rd photo was taken using pro mode, I set the iso at 100, the minimum (to decrease noise), and exposure 1/3 sec, the longest possible without having over-exposed areas (to create the silky water effect).
Comparing the 3 photos (unedited, straight out of phone), you can see that the pro mode was sharpest and had most silky water effect. The night mode is a good “in-between” for users who are not familiar with using pro mode. One limitation to note is that the pro mode can only be used with the main camera and not wide-angle camera.
I also took tested taking portraits at night using both the main camera and selfie camera. The subject appeared bright in spite of low ambient lighting. These are some of the shots.
11 minutes was all that was required for me to charge the phone up to 50% using the 80W SUPERVOOC charger included in the box. It sounded too good to be true until I tried it out for myself. The battery was super long lasting; I brought it out for an entire day taking photographs and uploading them to Instagram and there was still 50% left when I got home at night!
In conclusion, it was a beautiful phone with good screen resolution and battery life. I was pleased with the performance of the camera at night and surprised at how well the selfie camera performed. The price point is also very competitive. Give it a try and you might be impressed as well!