So... First of all, I'm not asking for the best ROM.
At the moment, I'm using ArchiDroid v2.5.2 on my i9300, and it's fast, but... Random reboots, and the camera quality it's not the same as in the 4.3 ROM's.
What I want is a ROM with no random reboots, with the best camera quality and of course, as fast as AOSP or even faster
So... Which ROMs (and kernel) do you guys recommend?
I'm tired of switching between 4.4.x ROMs, all of them have bugs. The Note2 ports are laggy (even though everybody is saying that these ROMs are smooth as butter) and AOSP have the problems that I've mentioned before.
Help me, please
Best/Recommend Roms/kernels threads are not allowed on XDA, try them yourself and decide.
If I were to recommend you I would say ArchiDroid or NeatRom
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gabyif said:
Best/Recommend Roms/kernels threads are not allowed on XDA, try them yourself and decide.
If I were to recommend you I would say ArchiDroid or NeatRom
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Yes, I know that. But there are SO many ROMs and I've tried lots of them, and none of them are "perfect".
ArchiDroid or NeatROM? JellyBean versions? I've tried both, but the KK version.
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Yes, I know that. But there are SO many ROMs and I've tried lots of them, and none of them are "perfect".
ArchiDroid or NeatROM? JellyBean versions? I've tried both, but the KK version.
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Yes,Jb versions.
There are no such thing as perfect,you need to make sacrifice
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Yes,Jb versions.
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I'm going to try ArchiDroid. Is it based on Stock ROM or AOSP?
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I'm going to try ArchiDroid. Is it based on Stock ROM or AOSP?
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Stock JB
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Try Imperium KK: stable, smooth and pretty fast! This ROM is based on Note2 porting developed by JustArchi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-t2842856
broken920 said:
Try Imperium KK: stable, smooth and pretty fast! This ROM is based on Note2 porting developed by JustArchi
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-t2842856
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Thanks for the suggestion. But I've read the comments and "everybody" was talking about FC and bugs.
Try Imperium 29 based on 4.3 stock deodexed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-imperium-v26-0-v13-6-t2135852
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Try Imperium 29 based on 4.3 stock deodexed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-imperium-v26-0-v13-6-t2135852
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First I will flash ArchiDroid V1.7.18 and if I don't like it, I'll flash this one. Thanks!
Stock debloated
I would use the stock Android 4.3, root it and than remove all the Bloatware from Samsung, install Googy Max2 and you got a pretty fast phone
Abort the Samsung laggy and almost useless world, choose AOSP roms.
I can propose you the only AOSP rom tried: CyanogenMod 11.
Download the latest M release (more stable than nightlies).
Note that there are some minor bugs, a 4.4 "perfect" system for S3 actually doesn't exist.
Then... the better kernel is BOEFFLA, useless to say [emoji6]
Download the related app (the latest BOEFFLA Config-v2 apk), choose zzmove or pegasusqplus as governor, while as scheduler choose sio.
To boost your phone, have fun with all the kernel parameters, CyanogenMod is considered the better rom, all other AOSP roms are based on CM source code, useless to change os.
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Try Imperium 29 based on 4.3 stock deodexed
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s3/development/rom-imperium-v26-0-v13-6-t2135852
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Simone98RC said:
Abort the Samsung laggy and almost useless world, choose AOSP roms.
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A wildly sweeping and inaccurate statement if ever there was one.
There are some exceptional stock based ROMS out there, with very good performance, good battery life and stock features that you don't get in AOSP which many people like to have (also from what i've seen, the stock Camera app gives better pictures too)
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A wildly sweeping and inaccurate statement if ever there was one.
There are some exceptional stock based ROMS out there, with very good performance, good battery life and stock features that you don't get in AOSP which many people like to have (also from what i've seen, the stock Camera app gives better pictures too)
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I tried Android Revolution HD: at first was moving better than stock rom, but when I began to use hardly my device... too many lags and terrible slowdowns.
Caused mainly by the unremovable TouchWiz.
Using another launcher, the heavy TouchWiz works ever, for different reasons than the simple use of launcher.
You can remove all the bloatware, make lots of optimizations... but TouchWiz will "eat" your RAM (only 1 GB on I9300 and lots of its variants) and never you'll be able to quietly use so many apps as in AOSP roms.
On CyanogenMod, Trebuchet can be completely replaced by other launchers, unthinkable thing on a Samsung rom.
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I tried Android Revolution HD: at first was moving better than stock rom, but when I began to use hardly my device... too many lags and terrible slowdowns.
Caused mainly by the unremovable TouchWiz.
Using another launcher, the heavy TouchWiz works ever, for different reasons than the simple use of launcher.
You can remove all the bloatware, make lots of optimizations... but TouchWiz will "eat" your RAM (only 1 GB on I9300 and lots of its variants) and never you'll be able to quietly use so many apps as in AOSP roms.
On CyanogenMod, Trebuchet can be completely replaced by other launchers, unthinkable thing on a Samsung rom.
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You tried one other stock based ROM and made your conclusion from that alone?
Each to their own, but I've used enough versions of CM on enough devices over the years to know the pros and cons, and personally on the S3 I can get a most satisfactory level of performance and battery life from a stock derived ROM whilst not losing any of the additional functions.
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You tried one other stock based ROM and made your conclusion from that alone?
Each to their own, but I've used enough versions of CM on enough devices over the years to know the pros and cons, and personally on the S3 I can get a most satisfactory level of performance and battery life from a stock derived ROM whilst not losing any of the additional functions.
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A Samsung rom is useful only for a better compatibility with Samsung devices and the 2-way call recording support.
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A Samsung rom is useful only for a better compatibility with Samsung devices and the 2-way call recording support.
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Enough said, this is going off-topic and is not helpful to the OP, and as we both agree on your statement of 'A Samsung rom is useful for better compatibility' that's reason enough on it's own to recommend a stock derived ROM like Imperium as it will address the OP's original request of:
emanuelparedes said:
What I want is a ROM with no random reboots, with the best camera quality
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hundred_miles_high said:
Enough said, this is going off-topic and is not helpful to the OP, and as we both agree on your statement of 'A Samsung rom is useful for better compatibility' that's reason enough on it's own to recommend a stock derived ROM like Imperium as it will address the OP's original request of (blablabla)
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Totally agree with the first thing, then you told a bull****, you based your "fictitious reason" on a my partial citation at your leisure.
To prevent misconceptions and "abuse" of what I said in the topic, @hundred_miles_high forget to explain that according to me, the stock roms "compatibility" is limited only to Samsung devices.
With BubbleUPnP and similar (you should know them), stock roms become completely useless... or you need the 2-way call recording? [emoji6]
OP dislikes (as everyone) forced reboots, and need a good camera quality. If the suggested rom is poorer in any other term respect to AOSP systems, it doesn't matter.
Is this your reasoning?
With CyanogenMod 11, the terrible 10.2 camera experience was aborted.
Stability is guaranteed, also if the releases are snapshots, more than 6 months of developing.
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Totally agree with the first thing, then you told a bull****, you based your "fictitious reason" on a my partial citation at your leisure.
To prevent misconceptions and "abuse" of what I said in the topic, @hundred_miles_high forget to explain that according to me, the stock roms "compatibility" is limited only to Samsung devices.
With BubbleUPnP and similar (you should know them), stock roms become completely useless... or you need the 2-way call recording? [emoji6]
OP dislikes (as everyone) forced reboots, and need a good camera quality. If the suggested rom is poorer in any other term respect to AOSP systems, it doesn't matter.
Is this your reasoning?
With CyanogenMod 11, the terrible 10.2 camera experience was aborted.
Stability is guaranteed, also if the releases are snapshots, more than 6 months of developing.
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Why would a Samsung ROM be compatible with anything other than a Samsung phone? This is after all the SAMSUNG S3 forum isn't it, thought it would be pretty obvious to anyone with half a brain the context it was used in.
I don't understand your ramblings about BubbleUPNP but Bubble and Sempervid links work fine on my stock derived ROM - I use them regularly with youtube/tubemate , streaming web content and media on my other devices to play direct to my TV (or xbox or nexus 7 for that matter) through my S3.
Ran out of interest with rest of your post due to your rudeness, but maybe you should check the CM11 M9 thread in regard to complaints of poor sound quality in the camera app...........
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Enough said, this is going off-topic and is not helpful to the OP, and as we both agree on your statement of 'A Samsung rom is useful for better compatibility'
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Yes, I was a bit hard in my answer, because you hurted me with your presumption and falsity to report properly my citation.
"This is after all the Samsung S3 forum"
With this stupid aforism you have damned lots of users who run a different rom.
I propose you to browse with brain (I dubt you know how use it, almost in this context) any S3 support forum, and see how many people use, speak and receive support about CyanogenMod, SlimKat, PacRom, etc.
And you are the first user who compare, even consider better a stock rom than AOSP... in terms of performance.
I hope you are joking.
"Ran out (...) Samsung devices"
You won't recognize the mistake (if not intentional) when you reported partially my famouscited my famous citation.
The truth is that you braved me since replying my first post: this is a topic where OP required "suggestions" (do you know this term?) from each user, not debates, nor topic wars.
Reread the topic, reflect about and get out, you told enough.
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Which roms (or rom families, really) are best for which purposes? I know some are designed to be fast and lightweight, while others go for the richest user experience, or other specialized purpose/situation.
My question is how can I find out the aim of the various roms?
The rom threads focus mostly on features provided and what rom family (if any) they based it on. Since I have no idea the aim of the original rom family (aokp, cm, miui, etc.) it's hard to decide which one is right for me.
Which player do you have?
dstarfire said:
Which roms (or rom families, really) are best for which purposes? I know some are designed to be fast and lightweight, while others go for the richest user experience, or other specialized purpose/situation.
My question is how can I find out the aim of the various roms?
The rom threads focus mostly on features provided and what rom family (if any) they based it on. Since I have no idea the aim of the original rom family (aokp, cm, miui, etc.) it's hard to decide which one is right for me.
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Stock ROMs, which most of the customs ROMs out there are based on, are probably the most stable but the performance won't be as good.
CM7 and CM9 are slim and super fast, while MIUI, which is Cyanogen-based, has a bit more eye candy at the cost of performance. AOKP is very similar to CM9, except as far as I know the team has added many tweaks and features to make the experience more pleasant. Both are good choices if you're looking for ICS.
Hope this clears up some of the questions you may have
Thanks, Klin. That's exactly the sort of info I'm looking for.
and I'm running the USA 5.0, fgcu. It was either this or an ipad, and avoiding itunes was worth the extra $20 (ipods were on sale that week).
If you are looking to install a rom, I recommend what I have listed down below. The dev of the rom is currently updating it to 2.3.6 and I can't wait for it. It will deffinitely fix the wifi drop bug and a slightly better Gingerbread version. You do need to install a custom rom though and the one below is also a good one too.
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This was my rom of choice back when I was running GB. In my opinion it is the most stable rom available for the Player 5.0. This rom is pretty fast and light as it is based on a stock GB rom.
I would also recommend this rom as it is also very stable.
For general use I would say use GB as everything works, but you can also get ICS roms if you want but all of the ICS roms in the development section have pretty major issues e.g. the camera does not work. Take a look in the development section and read the user comments/reviews/bug reports
Hi all,
I keep reading but I don't seem to find a definite answer for this question. I read somewhere that because of i9300 processor (samsung didn't reveal the codes or sth) the performance and battery life on Custom ROM based on AOSP and CM is not as satisfactory as Stock or Touch-wiz based roms.
Is this true? I love to use CM but the battery indeed seems to drain faster. Any idea of when i9300 users might get to use solid AOSP or CM based ROMs?
Thanks mates!
I am curious about this too. It seems that AOSP ROMS will always be imperfect as long as the Exynos codes arent released.
PAING1990 said:
Hi all,
I keep reading but I don't seem to find a definite answer for this question. I read somewhere that because of i9300 processor (samsung didn't reveal the codes or sth) the performance and battery life on Custom ROM based on AOSP and CM is not as satisfactory as Stock or Touch-wiz based roms.
Is this true? I love to use CM but the battery indeed seems to drain faster. Any idea of when i9300 users might get to use solid AOSP or CM based ROMs?
Thanks mates!
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I have messed around with a few ROMS (mainly sammy based one's) and using a SAMMY ROM with a new launcher is a strong base.
Why not start by finding a good sammy based ROM (i'm using Viking ROM although may switch to HyperLight) get a nice setup, then you can simply backup and mess with ASOP & CM yourself knowing you have a rock solid alternative to fall back on.
You can make up your own mind then ^^
PAING1990 said:
Hi all,
I keep reading but I don't seem to find a definite answer for this question. I read somewhere that because of i9300 processor (samsung didn't reveal the codes or sth) the performance and battery life on Custom ROM based on AOSP and CM is not as satisfactory as Stock or Touch-wiz based roms.
Is this true? I love to use CM but the battery indeed seems to drain faster. Any idea of when i9300 users might get to use solid AOSP or CM based ROMs?
Thanks mates!
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Cm10 is rock stable and has better battery life than sammy. (For me) but camera has some problems. Just try it. You can always revert it to sammy
themate1987 said:
Cm10 is rock stable and has better battery life than sammy. (For me) but camera has some problems. Just try it. You can always revert it to sammy
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CM10 is still nightly build right? I tried some ROMs like slimbean and liquid smooth but the battery performance is significantly not as good as stock. Am i right?
Yes right...
The stock ROM gives awesome battery life...
I tried CM10 but it seems to drain battery faster...i mean not that faster...
On my galaxy sl i9003 you cant even imagine what actually battery drain is....
Life 7hrs and gone but on my S3 the battery is OK about a day or day and a half and still 34% left !!
Sent from my Galaxy SL !! (Y)
simratcs said:
Yes right...
The stock ROM gives awesome battery life...
I tried CM10 but it seems to drain battery faster...i mean not that faster...
On my galaxy sl i9003 you cant even imagine what actually battery drain is....
Life 7hrs and gone but on my S3 the battery is OK about a day or day and a half and still 34% left !!
Sent from my Galaxy SL !! (Y)
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Wah. A day and a half??? I can't even achieve it with stock rom. What kind of tweaks do you use?
I just rooted a while ago and have just been flashing ROM this and that. Have never tried custom kernels or mods.
Would love to hear some tweaks that will last me 1.5 days with CM10. haha. Share with me bro.
If you can tolerate the few minor issues/glitches here and there, nothing beats CM10.
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If you can tolerate the few minor issues/glitches here and there, nothing beats CM10.
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+1
dualboot: the best solution
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If you can tolerate the few minor issues/glitches here and there, nothing beats CM10.
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okay. So i do not need any kernel and tweaks for excellent battery life is it?
tried so often cm9&cm10, lately slimbean.
was AOSP fan on my desire, but not on the s3 (yet)
none of them made me stick to AOSP for more than 1week...
too many "bugs" - minor things who annoyed me like: **** camera&video (unstable), battery life, calling bugs (low voice volume) etc
ive to admit that slimbean + siyah kernel beats everything, the battery life is rly nice (nearly liek sammy roms). siyah kernel helps alot concerning the battery life on AOSP!
still ive to use a sammy rom cuz of stability and reliability.
id look forward to a fully working AOSP rom, hopefully soon.
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Cm10 is rock stable and has better battery life than sammy. (For me) but camera has some problems. Just try it. You can always revert it to sammy
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What good is a ROM that is stable (as in doesn't crash) but ISN'T fully functional (as in has issues w/ hardware) ?
I want a ROM that is both stable and fully functional, even if it isn't the benchmark champion.
For me, the stock ROMs offer the best of the 2 worlds: they are stable and functional.
Yeah, let the flame start, but I am yet to see an AOKP/AOSP/CM ROM that doesn't have a single issue with hardware.
So, stock ROMs for me are the winner.
I use NOVA Launcher Prime, BTW, but the TouchWiz that came with today's stock JB (France, XEF) is extremely fast and as customizable as Nova Launcher.
Simonetti2011 said:
What good is a ROM that is stable (as in doesn't crash) but ISN'T fully functional (as in has issues w/ hardware) ?
I want a ROM that is both stable and fully functional, even if it isn't the benchmark champion.
For me, the stock ROMs offer the best of the 2 worlds: they are stable and functional.
Yeah, let the flame start, but I am yet to see an AOKP/AOSP/CM ROM that doesn't have a single issue with hardware.
So, stock ROMs for me are the winner.
I use NOVA Launcher Prime, BTW, but the TouchWiz that came with today's stock JB (France, XEF) is extremely fast and as customizable as Nova Launcher.
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There is miui rom that offers sammy+miui experience. I think it's called rayglobe, but it's based on 4.0.4 so it is never as smooth as jb
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So, I'm not an Android N00B or even a CyanogenMOD N00B -- I'm just a Motorola N00B. I've been hacking CM9 on HTC and Samsung phones for years so I don't need any "how-to" help.
I've gone through the forum here and I can't make heads or tails about what the general consensus is about different ROM's.
I don't need (or even want, really) Jelly Bean so I'm looking for a pretty vanilla (but solid) CM9 ROM.
Also, are there any issues with different radios and call quality? I ran into that a lot on the T989 (TMobile Galaxy S2) and I'd like to avoid it if I can.
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So, I'm not an Android N00B or even a CyanogenMOD N00B -- I'm just a Motorola N00B. I've been hacking CM9 on HTC and Samsung phones for years so I don't need any "how-to" help.
I've gone through the forum here and I can't make heads or tails about what the general consensus is about different ROM's.
I don't need (or even want, really) Jelly Bean so I'm looking for a pretty vanilla (but solid) CM9 ROM.
Also, are there any issues with different radios and call quality? I ran into that a lot on the T989 (TMobile Galaxy S2) and I'd like to avoid it if I can.
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Performance, working features and stability have come along way since cm9. I'd be looking at epinter's cm10 or cm10.1. But there are camera / video camera issues with all including cm9. If you want cm and with all things working then it would be cm7. Once we have a new kernel the cm9/10/10.1 roms will finally be fully optimized.
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Performance, working features and stability have come along way since cm9. I'd be looking at epinter's cm10 or cm10.1. But there are camera / video camera issues with all including cm9. If you want cm and with all things working then it would be cm7. Once we have a new kernel the cm9/10/10.1 roms will finally be fully optimized.
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ICS ROMs based running on the leaked kernel are pretty good too, and include all the features except fingerprint reader and Lapdock support, the cons may be the battery life (Sometimes problematic AFAIK) and stability (Only for a little handful of users).
There is a CM10 ROM based on the leaked kernel but it's no longer under development, I think you'll prefer using ICSrom in that case.
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ICS ROMs based running on the leaked kernel are pretty good too, and include all the features except fingerprint reader and Lapdock support, the cons may be the battery life (Sometimes problematic AFAIK) and stability (Only for a little handful of users).
There is a CM10 ROM based on the leaked kernel but it's no longer under development, I think you'll prefer using ICSrom in that case.
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Is there one that you suggest? :angel:
this issue is driving me crazy... no matter what i do i can't get good battery life with cm based roms.... no mater what i try: official, temasek, carbon, paranoid, all have **** battery life that barrely last a day.
i always end up going back to sammy based roms like wanamlite. byt i dont like it!
i greenify apps, disable gps, dormancy, startup apps, what else???
if it matters, i never change kernels..
You aren't experiencing anything new, only Samsung based roms will get good battery life on the S3.
Probably due to a lack of sources
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Probably due to a lack of sources
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what do you mean?
Samsung don't release their exynos source code properly, so AOSP developers don't have all the information required to get similar performance out of all the hardware components
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Samsung don't release their exynos source code properly, so AOSP developers don't have all the information required to get similar performance out of all the hardware components
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is there any aosp or aokp based rom that will provide good battery life?
They're all about the same
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they last the same for me with custom kernels.
i wont go back to sammy
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To me, any CM/AOSP and any kernel included or custom last about the same, and that is about 40% less then stock samsung rom.
Of course depending on situation...
However I won't be coming back to stock samsung rom any time soon
Agreed, custom kernels help a lot but still not quite as much as stock. Similarly, im sticking with aosp
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Probably irrelevant but i tried the Illusion Rom and it gave me 1d 53h of normal usage whereas sammy barely gets me through the day
Just thought id mention it
1 day + 4 days?
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You are confusing things here...
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You are confusing things here - the lack of sources is somehow relevant to the kernel part, and generally the best kernels in regard to power consumption are the custom ones (like Perseus, Siyah and so on) - which are precisely started from the sources coming from Samsung.
The ROM part only talks to the kernel part, and once you have the same kernel (like Siyah) talking to both a CM ROM and a Sammy ROM and you get better power consumption in Sammy I don't really see how that can be related to "lack of sources".
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1 day + 4 days?
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hahahaha sorry my bad:silly:
1d 13h
AthlonGFX said:
Probably irrelevant but i tried the Illusion Rom and it gave me 1d 53h of normal usage whereas sammy barely gets me through the day
Just thought id mention it
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Yeah sure, I even got on couple of occasion over 2 day and maybe 3-4hrs...
But however on stock with the the approximately same usage I would still have 30-40% more usage time.
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You are confusing things here - the lack of sources is somehow relevant to the kernel part, and generally the best kernels in regard to power consumption are the custom ones (like Perseus, Siyah and so on) - which are precisely started from the sources coming from Samsung.
The ROM part only talks to the kernel part, and once you have the same kernel (like Siyah) talking to both a CM ROM and a Sammy ROM and you get better power consumption in Sammy I don't really see how that can be related to "lack of sources".
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No im not confusing things - but you're over simplifying things. The kernel sources are complete. Siyah uses the samsung kernel sources as a base and it interacts with touchwiz roms perfectly. The same kernel does not interact with aosp roms in the same way.
Set up a touchwiz rom with basic settings and siyah kernel and compare it to aosp with the same basic settings and kernel and touchwiz will win hands down.
Samsungs kernel source may be complete but the exynos and hardware sources are incomplete. That's why an aosp rom camera is much lower quality than samsungs using the same hardware.
Also its worth noting that these dual purpose kernels are built from a mixture of samsung sources and Google sources. Otherwise they wouldn't be able to support 4.2.2 aosp roms...because 4.1 kernels are different to 4.2 kernels...hence no existing kernels can work on 4.2 sammy roms. We need their kernel sources for that, but they will come unlike complete exynos sources.
If you look at the snapdragon variants of the s3, the chipset is well documented so the developer community have much more scope to get comparable battery performance but this isn't an option for us. This is why the developer community here are so frustrated with samsung and the i9300 to the point where team hacksung decided they no longer wish to support cyanogen on exynos devices. We are unable to exploit the hardware to its full potential as we don't have what's required. Developers need to use a lot of guess work to get things working. Our s3 device tree for aosp roms is incomplete and this is samsungs fault for not being forthcoming with their non kernel sources
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You are still confused
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Samsungs kernel source may be complete but the exynos and hardware sources are incomplete. That's why an aosp rom camera is much lower quality than samsungs using the same hardware.
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That is completely irrelevant to what it was discussed - and is also false since for instance your own post is somehow trying to suggest that the AOSP camera works perfectly for non-Exynos S3 and works bad for Exynos S3 - once you get your time to check reality instead of propagating stuff you will see that is just another myth and that:
a) the AOSP camera is about as bad for BOTH CPUs
b) the information that is missing has nothing to do with the CPU from Samsung but instead with the camera itself.
And getting back to what this thread was about - POWER CONSUMPTION - the facts show that most CM ROMs have worse power consumption than most Sammy ROMs when both scenarios are run with the SAME KERNEL compiled from sources. A very remote point might be (maybe) made for device-drivers that are blobs (and where custom ioctls maybe are not documented) - but CPU / power management is not one of those! Debunking even further your childish talking point - with the same Sammy ROM the POWER CONSUMPTION is clearly better when running with one of those custom kernels then when running standard Samsung kernel - so any point that somehow any information relevant to power consumption is missing - when actually the custom open-source kernels are demonstrably better in this regard - now stands forever debunked
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That is completely irrelevant to what it was discussed - and is also false since for instance your own post is somehow trying to suggest that the AOSP camera works perfectly for non-Exynos S3 and works bad for Exynos S3 - once you get your time to check reality instead of propagating stuff you will see that is just another myth and that:
a) the AOSP camera is about as bad for BOTH CPUs
b) the information that is missing has nothing to do with the CPU from Samsung but instead with the camera itself.
And getting back to what this thread was about - POWER CONSUMPTION - the facts show that most CM ROMs have worse power consumption than most Sammy ROMs when both scenarios are run with the SAME KERNEL compiled from sources. A very remote point might be (maybe) made for device-drivers that are blobs (and where custom ioctls maybe are not documented) - but CPU / power management is not one of those! Debunking even further your childish talking point - with the same Sammy ROM the POWER CONSUMPTION is clearly better when running with one of those custom kernels then when running standard Samsung kernel - so any point that somehow any information relevant to power consumption is missing - when actually the custom open-source kernels are demonstrably better in this regard - now stands forever debunked
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Without the exynos source the cm kernels can't take full advantage of exynos power saving features..... Simple.
On another note, I suggest you tone down your attitude, and apologise for calling rootSU childish, and don't treat this place like somewhere you can come to wind people up or I will personally introduce you to the moderators
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That is completely irrelevant to what it was discussed - and is also false since for instance your own post is somehow trying to suggest that the AOSP camera works perfectly for non-Exynos S3 and works bad for Exynos S3 - once you get your time to check reality instead of propagating stuff you will see that is just another myth and that:
a) the AOSP camera is about as bad for BOTH CPUs
b) the information that is missing has nothing to do with the CPU from Samsung but instead with the camera itself.
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Wow, way to take something completely out of context and miss an entire point! I didn't even think this was possible. Impressive.
So firstly, I cited the camera as an example of something that relied on Samsung sources along with the exynos chipset (NOT CPU by the way, I haven't use the term CPU, so I guess you just decided to choose that term yourself). The sources are incomplete and the binaries, libs an patches provided are not enough to get everything running on the device as it should be. I, in know way stated or inferred that the camera was better on snapdragon S3's.
The point was we don't have everything in relation to the camera, ergo the camera is not as good as Samsungs. This is not because of the AOSP camera application. Instead it is down to a lack of documentation /sources for the camera HAL. It was a simple example explaining that if we haven't got everything required to run the hardware properly, we can't achieve the same performance. This is obvious with the camera and it's poorer quality images compared to the touchwiz camera using the very same hardware. This is not the case with just the camera though, this extends to all the hardware where we have incomplete information and sources.
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the facts show that most CM ROMs have worse power consumption than most Sammy ROMs when both scenarios are run with the SAME KERNEL compiled from sources
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It is true, with the SAME KERNEL on both platforms, power consumption is different (That's exactly what my post said). However, the dual purpose kernels are compiled from 2 sets of sources, so AOSP and Touchwiz platforms do not overlap 100% with each other (usage wise) in regards to what is compiled into these kernels. Touchwiz ROMs utilise (random guess number to illustrate a point) 90% of whats in the kernel as does AOSP. Meaning there could be a (fictitious) 10% of the kernel exclusively for each platform.
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but CPU / power management is not one of those!
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I didn't mention CPU power management. I did not say that the kernels on AOSP were any different at *managing* the power. Although thanks for bring that up... because now that you mention it, they are.
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Debunking even further your childish talking point
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I don't understand how you can be so audacious to call my talking point childish when you've managed to avoid applying adult levels of reading to my entire post thus far and have taken every point I made conversely to how it was intended.
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with the same Sammy ROM the POWER CONSUMPTION is clearly better when running with one of those custom kernels then when running standard Samsung kernel
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Say what now? If You're saying you think that custom kernels on a Sammy ROM are better than stock kernels on the same sammy rom for power consumption, you'd be right. I never said anything to the contrary of that. I said these custom kernels on a sammy rom are better that they are on an AOSP rom for power consumtion.
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so any point that somehow any information relevant to power consumption is missing - when actually the custom open-source kernels are demonstrably better in this regard - now stands forever debunked
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I really don't think you are managing to get any point you're trying to make across. You're not even arguing against the point I made. Surely a rebutal must directly address my points. You seem to be meandering aimlessly, taking pot shots at what you *think* is my point.
Again, I never said anything about information pertaining to power consumption being missing. My point is simple and basic, so here it is again. We do not have everything to run the hardware optimally. Whenever this is the case, performance suffers. If it is not running as originally intended because sources are missing to provide proper and full support, things are inefficient. Inefficiencies can lead to more power being used than is needed. That's all I was saying. You seem to be going out of your way to argue points I didn't even make, and not even graciously.
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Link for reading:
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/samsung-aware-of-exynos-documentation-issue/
slaphead20 said:
Without the exynos source the cm kernels can't take full advantage of exynos power saving features..... Simple.
On another note, I suggest you tone down your attitude, and apologise for calling rootSU childish, and don't treat this place like somewhere you can come to wind people up or I will personally introduce you to the moderators
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I would just put him on ignore. It won't be the first time he's acting like an obnoxious know-it-all and it certainly won't be his last. For all his talk, I haven't seen him contribute anything remotely useful to any sort of development, just pointless ranting, raving and demanding.
Hi guys, I'm searching for a rom which works great with games, any ideas?
No one is going to answer you because of the rules. I'm trying to find it to for the last six months. In my opinion is best if you have some knowledge if you don't you will have to read for a while, to use you latest stock rom. But you will have to deodex it, zipallighn it, apply the modes you like from other rom if there are some and remove the bloatwear not all just the one that is safe to remove and you don't need. And perhaps replace touchwiz with nova launcher. It's just that here are very sensitive on questions about best rom. For the past six months I've downloaded a lot of roms and after a while having problems with all of them- here I mean problems with playing games. And till now the best experience I had was with stock rom but then I was missing some futures, mods from others. So only solution as I don't wanna search for another 6 monts is make my own. By the way the qiestion is not which is the best rom but which is the best for games or in other words on which rom I'll have no or less problems but stil for here is like you ask which is the best.
So make your own rom deodex and zipallighn for speed, remove the app you don't need because most of the bloatwear has running processes all the time so you can have more free ram and then if you want some extra mods.
I hope this is helpful although it mean you have a lot to read if you are new at that.
As previously stated, stock roms are the best all rounders and in my opinion much better than custom roms hands down.
As soon as you root a samsung you can expect performance issues. Had the same problem on all 3 samsung devices I've owned. This led me to not touch my htc m9 at all as far as mods go..
I wish I stole my HTC M9.
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No one is going to answer you because of the rules. I'm trying to find it to for the last six months. In my opinion is best if you have some knowledge if you don't you will have to read for a while, to use you latest stock rom. But you will have to deodex it, zipallighn it, apply the modes you like from other rom if there are some and remove the bloatwear not all just the one that is safe to remove and you don't need. And perhaps replace touchwiz with nova launcher. It's just that here are very sensitive on questions about best rom. For the past six months I've downloaded a lot of roms and after a while having problems with all of them- here I mean problems with playing games. And till now the best experience I had was with stock rom but then I was missing some futures, mods from others. So only solution as I don't wanna search for another 6 monts is make my own. By the way the qiestion is not which is the best rom but which is the best for games or in other words on which rom I'll have no or less problems but stil for here is like you ask which is the best.
So make your own rom deodex and zipallighn for speed, remove the app you don't need because most of the bloatwear has running processes all the time so you can have more free ram and then if you want some extra mods.
I hope this is helpful although it mean you have a lot to read if you are new at that.
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Thanks for an answer.
I've used a lot of roms too, I've been changing them every week and I'm really enjoying ArchiDroid with android 5.1.1. I'm definitely going to try installing latest stock and doing what you told me to, I never liked stocks though.
shivadow said:
As previously stated, stock roms are the best all rounders and in my opinion much better than custom roms hands down.
As soon as you root a samsung you can expect performance issues. Had the same problem on all 3 samsung devices I've owned. This led me to not touch my htc m9 at all as far as mods go..
I wish I stole my HTC M9.
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I can't live without root, I'm using a lot of tweaks and rooted apps. Stock roms were always laggy and slow for me, maybe I just can't use them properly.
Stock ROMs are laggy on legacy devices.
New devices works perfectly good on Stock ROMs. This is why they have lesser Custom ROMs and older devices still has some ongoing developments.
I've never had any performance issue after rooting my Sonys and Samsungs. I always had better performance and recommend custom ROMs because they work better for me. Please bear in mind that my latest device is the S3 which has 1GB RAM while other new phones are going 4GB so my opinion only stops here : On old devices. On new devices , I've played with my friends Note 3 alot and we reached a conclusion that it works flawless even on Stock ROM.
For a gaming ROM , I would suggest ArchiDroid if you are going CM. Latest Archidroid Lollipop works flawlessly for me (Even while using Chrome with 11 Tabs. No lags and reloads while switching tabs). Runs NFS:Most Wanted , Cyrus and alot other major games that I've tested run on full FPS without a single lag. However , Hearthstone will never work good on S3 even on this magnificent ROM. Go for Archidroid for both KitKat and Lollipop if you want Performance. Go for Temasek (Darkened's build) if you want balanced Performance , customization and slightly better Battery life. Other ROMs work too , they may have more customization (Blisspop) etc but I did not list them because they are too heavy for a Gaming ROM In my opinion. AOKP KitKat is also a fair choice to go for.
For Touchwiz Based ROMs, I would say LukeROM. Install without Bloat and enjoy a smooth ROM even on stock kernel and no Greenify. NFS:Most Wanted , Cytus and other major games that I've tested also runs on full FPS without lag. It also has stock Camera and Note 4 Multiwindow that allow floating app like Messenger Chat Head. However , Chrome makes this ROM die on stock kernel. 4 or 5 tabs and it starts reloading when switching tabs. NeatROM Lite is also a good choice if you're fine with Android 4.3 and a Bluetooth Bug where NFC gets turn on too when you connect to a Bluetooth device. (Might be device specific bug since I don't see a lot of comments about that bug). Blekota's S5 Lite ROM with Boeffla kernel and Speed Mod also works flawless. Check my post on that thread for tutorial.(Posted few months back)
These are my personal experience with various ROMs for I9300. I've flashed almost every ROM that came to XDA and a few other Chinese forums since January 2014 and these are my conclusions. Please bear in mind that the same ROM might perform differently for different users with different usage and settings. Have a nice day
@conanDO98 Thanks for an answer, you just put everything in a whole new light to me. I'm on Luke's rom for like an hour now, it works great. But i do have a question, you said "no greenify", may I ask why? I always thought it's good for performance.
I have 550 free ram running cm 12(gaaps pico installed)now looking for a custom kernel to overclock...can u sugest me one?
@nolitooo When I was on cm12 I was using an ArchiKernel, it worked great. There's always boeffla kernel, with boeffla config app, try them both and pick your best
MichAzer said:
@conanDO98 Thanks for an answer, you just put everything in a whole new light to me. I'm on Luke's rom for like an hour now, it works great. But i do have a question, you said "no greenify", may I ask why? I always thought it's good for performance.
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I'm sorry. By no greenify I mean I did not install Greenify on that ROM.
I suggest flashing Boeffla 7.9 on Luke ROM because after flashing I find the ROM smoother and Chrome works better
@conanDO98 I'm gonna flash it now and see how it works
I've tried archdroid it's not that it wasn't good just searching for better. I play a lot call of duty heroes which is laggy with all the roms i've tried so far but with most of them after a few days the game starts to crash, to close by itself but I don't need a rom that I need to restart every few hours or every day.
I'll try Luke Rom in a few days and will see if it's better. I guess that part of the problem is that most of the time I have installed around 80 apps by me. Some games, for alarm, calculator, apps like facebook, line, soundhound, xposed with some mods and others.
About the kernel I like boeffla with his options but for some reason I have less apps closing by itself with stock.
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I've tried archdroid it's not that it wasn't good just searching for better. I play a lot call of duty heroes which is laggy with all the roms i've tried so far but with most of them after a few days the game starts to crash, to close by itself but I don't need a rom that I need to restart every few hours or every day.
I'll try Luke Rom in a few days and will see if it's better. I guess that part of the problem is that most of the time I have installed around 80 apps by me. Some games, for alarm, calculator, apps like facebook, line, soundhound, xposed with some mods and others.
About the kernel I like boeffla with his options but for some reason I have less apps closing by itself with stock.
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I think stock roms are better for gaming, I play a lot of games, I was using cm12.1 and archidroid for few months and gaming was nice, but not what I was looking for. Now I'm on Luke ROM with boeffla 7.9 and gaming is so much better then on lollipop. I haven't played CoD Heroes though.
I did try the Luke rom but after a few days had some problems with some games, back on stock and all perfect. Now just have to download some tools and have free time and will deodex and zipaligh it. And some other mods if I find some good.
MichAzer said:
I think stock roms are better for gaming, I play a lot of games, I was using cm12.1 and archidroid for few months and gaming was nice, but not what I was looking for. Now I'm on Luke ROM with boeffla 7.9 and gaming is so much better then on lollipop. I haven't played CoD Heroes though.
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What's a good rom to play garena free on galaxy s3 T mobile (d2tmo)?