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Only real complaint I have of my EVO 4G is the poor battery life. Even though I am rooted with a great ROM and custom kernel for better battery, my battery life still doesn't come close to my Brothers iPhone4. My phone dies by end of the day.
I see the specs of the EVO 3D, having a larger stock battery, and dual cores should be more efficient on the OS, and this phone was built around Gingerbread that is better performance than Froyo.
So adding all that up, I hope to God this new phone has much better battery life ?
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Li-Ion 1730 mAh Standard Battery
Standby Time Up to 355 hours
Talk Time Up to 450 mins
Read more: http://gadgetian.com/9927/htc-evo-3d-specs-price/#ixzz1MklQRVOd
Thanks laf.
I am sure HTC is well aware of the bad press the EVO 4G got on release in regards to poor battery life. So maybe they worked extra hard to make sure the new EVO is improved.
Do you have the original specs for the EVO 4G. Be curious what HTC wrote down for talk time last year.
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Type of Battery Lithium Ion battery
I think it will probably the same. It has a bigger battery but also a dual core processor.
fmedina2 said:
I think it will probably the same. It has a bigger battery but also a dual core processor.
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dual core = more power efficient
not dual power
anyway this thread really isn't useful right now. Since noone really has the phone we are stuck with speculation and specs that can be altered heavily. In theory bigger battery plus dual core sounds like a longer battery life, we really won't know how it compares until release
I wonder how much the graphics will drink that juice. I don't know much about the 3D technology but I assume the graphics will be more demanding and graphics sucks so much power.
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I wonder how much the graphics will drink that juice. I don't know much about the 3D technology but I assume the graphics will be more demanding and graphics sucks so much power.
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i would have to agree. Even though the bigger battery i think its going to be the same. my opinion though.
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I wonder how much the graphics will drink that juice. I don't know much about the 3D technology but I assume the graphics will be more demanding and graphics sucks so much power.
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This was my thought, I mean 3D has to be graphics intense since it's essentially 2 pictures running side by side.
Also higher resolution. Dint really know if that plays a role though.
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Also higher resolution. Dint really know if that plays a role though.
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My understanding of the power usage of 4" of LCDs is like 3-5Watts so I assume that is not that demanding. The LCDs don't burn the battery but the back light will. Again this is my understanding but not based from my knowledge on phones, but that of projectors.
I wish I knew more about phone but I hated C+ programing. I only used it for a Mechatronics class, though it was fun to control the robot and use the technology thats found in $70k cars, It took me 2-3 hour to write the code for a clock cause I can't think like that. cant hit 00:00 or 24:00 and didn't know any built in codes. The code was only about 7-8lines as well so it was extremely small (and easy afterwards).
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My understanding of the power usage of 4" of LCDs is like 3-5Watts so I assume that is not that demanding. The LCDs don't burn the battery but the back light will. Again this is my understanding but not based from my knowledge on phones, but that of projectors.
I wish I knew more about phone but I hated C+ programing. I only used it for a Mechatronics class, though it was fun to control the robot and use the technology thats found in $70k cars, It took me 2-3 hour to write the code for a clock cause I can't think like that. cant hit 00:00 or 24:00 and didn't know any built in codes. The code was only about 7-8lines as well so it was extremely small (and easy afterwards).
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wtf are you talking about? C++? using a robot to program a clock? what does this have to to with the wattage of smartphone screens?
but anyway, The larger battery and dual core processor of the Evo 3D should definitely create a noticeable improvement in battery life. However i feel like 3D is going to seriously drain battery life though. Obviously its not a direct comparison to the Evo 3D but the 3DS is much thicker than the DSi (i assume that means more or at least the same amount of battery) and sports a 4hr battery life lol.
If your that concerned with battery life just buy extra batteries and charger on Amazon I have three. If you can afford an evo you can afford a ten dollar battery and a five dollar charger. Then it wont matter how bad the battery life is.
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mayfield103 said:
If your that concerned with battery life just buy extra batteries and charger on Amazon I have three. If you can afford an evo you can afford a ten dollar battery and a five dollar charger. Then it wont matter how bad the battery life is.
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Why would you buy a phone if you feel like you have to buy extra batteries to carry around. Plus it has nothing to do with money its just the point that a phone should get you through the day
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Phones have always had this problem. And I would rather carry a couple batteries around than constantly be charging my phone or not using it cuz I'm scared its gonna die on me extra batteries = no worries
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Remember the 3D is optional. There is only a few things that are 3D, not the entire phone.
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Remember the 3D is optional. There is only a few things that are 3D, not the entire phone.
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that righ there is going to be the key. it's just like having wifi, BT and GPS turned on all the time n any other phone. your 3D usage here will be the key I'm guessing to your battery life.
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that righ there is going to be the key. it's just like having wifi, BT and GPS turned on all the time n any other phone. your 3D usage here will be the key I'm guessing to your battery life.
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precisely. Its like running a full screen game on your current smart phone. It kills your battery quickly
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ldominguez1986 said:
Why would you buy a phone if you feel like you have to buy extra batteries to carry around. Plus it has nothing to do with money its just the point that a phone should get you through the day
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I keep a spare battery in my wallet and battery life is a non issue to me. I usually have half of one left after a twelve hour day at work with pandora playing over bluetooth and the screen being on for 4 to 6 hours. Usually I'm looking at the news or using the internet most of the time it's on.
If swapping out the battery is too much work you can always get an extended one but if you're just completely against the idea period then you're best bet is an iphone with its permanent battery.
I have enough to worry about in my life to have to micro mangage my phone killing apps and turning on and off GPS and wifi with an extra battery I can just enjoy my phone.
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Hello, guys. I know this post is awfully long, but please, bear with me
I am fairly new to Sammy, as I just got the S2 (I9100, not some other variant... it's the very original) three days ago. I rooted it, flashed CWM, and already tried a few ROMs. I'm sticking to MIUIv4 (WIUI, actually) for the moment, as I loved having MIUI on my previous devices.
There's just one thing that makes me wanna throw rocks at this phone... and that's not the Super AMOLED+ screen that has stains / ghosting effect... it's the CHARGER.
I believe the charger I'm using is original - it was in the package, so... it can't be a copy, lol. It says it can output 700mA at 5V, which is pretty standard... but it seems like it just doesn't do its job!!!
I've had three HTC devices before, and the HTC charger is just a brick that you plug into the socket, and then plug a USB cable in it (just like Motorola's and Apple's recently). It outputs 1A at 5V.
The Motorola ATRIX I previously owned had a charger that was outputting 850mA at 5.1V. Charging that 1900 mAh beast battery would take just a little over 3 hours!
I no longer own the ATRIX (sold it to get the S2, actually), but I did borrow a HTC charger (with a HTC USB cable) to see if I could charge my S2 faster. Nopes. The charger barely gave the S2 0.5 amps... which is normal, since I hear two pins must be connected in order for the Samsung phone to draw maximum power.
My Galaxy S2 is charging painfully slow with this original charger. I installed Battery Monitor Widget and let it log the battery charging overnight - the log file is attached below this post.
At the very first line of that text file, you can see the charging began. I let the phone turned on, with the screen off, to charge overnight. Wi-Fi, Mobile Data, BT, GPS, Auto-sync was off. It was just in auto 2G/3G mode. That hardly matters!
It looks like the phone is drawing 641mA constantly. It doesn't top 700mA, but that's okay - neither did the HTC phones reach more than 900mA, when the charger was able of 1A output.
It took the SGS2 exactly two hours and 50 minutes to fully charge. Given the fact that the charger outputs 700mA, and the battery is 1650mA, I'd say that's right. A 1900mAh battery was completely charged in 3 hours and something, with a 850mA output charger.
Still, that's painfully slow. I had the HTC EVO 3D, which has a 1730mAh battery. Charging that (@1A) would take little over two and a half hours. I could even browse the web via Wi-Fi or do something else on the phone and the battery would still be completely charged in less than three hours (unless I play a game on 3G with max brightness on, of course).
Also, when the battery was at 1% at lunchtime, I plugged in the charger. I continued to send text messages and browse the web via Wi-Fi (screen brightness was on minimum). The battery level did not rise from 1% even after 5 minutes! You can see that in the battery log. Yes, the phone's battery was almost dead in less than three hours.
Oh, also, the first day I got the phone, after I finished rooting and flashing MIUI and everything... I was playing Dark Legends, over Wi-Fi (screen was at lowest, again). Battery got down to 6%, I plug it into the charger. Ten minutes later, battery was down to 2% ! ! ! So, the charger cannot keep up !
I did my homeworks and did a "bit" of Google searching... it turns out the charger is just as it is. But this is just ridiculous.
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I remember seeing something on Twitter several months ago... an article regarding an app that would let you adjust how much power the Galaxy S2 can draw from the charger it's connected to, simply by dragging around a slider. I'm not wrong, I DID see such an article - I just can't find it anymore!
Anyone... any suggestions, please?
Also, please note that I am in Europe, Romania, so I can't just go to a shop and find the most awesome charger that outputs 2A for $5 like you guys can (there, in the US)... It's not really at hand for me, lol.
So, conclusion is the phone can consume more amps during usage than the stock charger can supply.
Either reduce the power usage (lower brightness, disable WiFi/BT) when you're using the phone during charging or get a more powerful charger (although I remember the latest stock ICS kernels don't like charging at a higher voltage than the stock charger supplies, so you'll probably have to install a different kernel which doesn't have this limitation).
Oh, and please stop the non-sense about being in Romania and not having options to buy, the market's full of all kinds of chargers. Get out of the house and search, "lol".
This is not uncommon.
In fact, with my PREVIOUS phone, the SE Mini Pro (the original one), it was actually possible to drain the battery till the phone shut down, even on it's original charger.
With some modified power settings, mostly in CPU voltages, it is quite possible to have the SII charge properly even while in use, but bear in mind, it will take longer to charge if you are using it.
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So, conclusion is the phone can consume more amps during usage than the stock charger can supply.
Either reduce the power usage (lower brightness, disable WiFi/BT) when you're using the phone during charging or get a more powerful charger (although I remember the latest stock ICS kernels don't like charging at a higher voltage than the stock charger supplies, so you'll probably have to install a different kernel which doesn't have this limitation).
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Playing Dark Legends, via 3G this time (so the power consumption would be higher, right?), screen at FULL BRIGHTNESS, Bluetooth and GPS activated. Battery Monitor Widget tells me the current being drawn is 641mA. Looks like the phone draws 641mA when charging, ~80% of the time.
The only problem seems to be when the battery level is LOW. Then, no matter what you do, the power level just doesn't rise.
With HTC / Motorola, the power draw was maximum when the battery was at its (almost) lowest level, and would decrease as the battery was filling. With the SGS2, it looks like it draws 640mA from 0% to 70%, THEN it begins to slow down.
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Oh, and please stop the non-sense about being in Romania and not having options to buy, the market's full of all kinds of chargers. Get out of the house and search, "lol".
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Oh, but trust me, I have. You know, in our country, even cheap Chinese copies are over-rated. It's hard to find stuff like what they have in the US .
I've seen some sort of a digital charger, so-to-say, which would allow you to set the amperage and voltage that was being outputted. It was able of throwing out anything from .5 to 2 amps, at 3.7 - 5.5V (given your choice). Guess what : friend got it from the States...
You don't see such stuff here, in Romania.
Oh well...
Sideromelane said:
This is not uncommon.
In fact, with my PREVIOUS phone, the SE Mini Pro (the original one), it was actually possible to drain the battery till the phone shut down, even on it's original charger.
With some modified power settings, mostly in CPU voltages, it is quite possible to have the SII charge properly even while in use, but bear in mind, it will take longer to charge if you are using it.
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On the HTC EVO 3D and Motorola ATRIX, it was yet to be proven whether undervolting the CPU would increase battery life or not. Undervolting as much as 200mV only reduced the ammount of heat that was generated (especially during gaming sessions). Although current = heat... the power consumption didn't seem to change a bit!
I even tried to downclock the CPU to 400 MHz - power draw would still not be sufficient in order for the phone to charge (when the battery level was under 10%). Everything was turned off, light on lowest, CPU pretty low... still going down, lol.
I have also experienced this in the past.... which was rather annoying if I must say however, recently I haven't had this issue, although it still charges quite slowly, it's slightly faster than before. I noticed this difference after I decreased the voltage from the cpu in each step, yes my phone is heavy undervolted thanks to magic config, might want to check that out, but it's still as smooth as ever without a hint of lag props to the hyperdroid team...they are the best in my opinion, I use their rom since the hd2 days recommend their rom to all galaxy s2 users.
Anyway, my point is, I can have my screen in full brightness and still use the phone as is when off charge and it will continue to charge. Also, battery life isn't an issue for me anymore after undervolting, I can live with 15 hours battery life under extreme heavy usage with full screen brightness of 4-5 or more hours of screen on time....and that's with 1650mah battery. I plan to get an official 2000mah battery which will increase it's life more
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shadyr25 said:
I have also experienced this in the past.... which was rather annoying if I must say however, recently I haven't had this issue, although it still charges quite slowly, it's slightly faster than before. I noticed this difference after I decreased the voltage from the cpu in each step, yes my phone is heavy undervolted thanks to magic config, might want to check that out, but it's still as smooth as ever without a hint of lag props to the hyperdroid team...they are the best in my opinion, I use their rom since the hd2 days recommend their rom to all galaxy s2 users.
Anyway, my point is, I can have my screen in full brightness and still use the phone as is when off charge and it will continue to charge. Also, battery life isn't an issue for me anymore after undervolting, I can live with 15 hours battery life under extreme heavy usage with full screen brightness of 4-5 or more hours of screen on time....and that's with 1650mah battery. I plan to get an official 2000mah battery which will increase it's life more
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That's... impressive.
I'm using MIUIv4 (WIUI) wth Siyah v3.2.6.3 kernel. For some reason, if I undervolt even -50mV, the phone freezes :/
Formhault said:
That's... impressive.
I'm using MIUIv4 (WIUI) wth Siyah v3.2.6.3 kernel. For some reason, if I undervolt even -50mV, the phone freezes :/
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That's.... weird. I thought siyah kernal was more undervolt friendly :/ besides, I read somewhere that not every galaxy s2 can handle undervolting whilst some can. Rather, it could be the kernal too, I use the redpill kernal provided from the hyperdroid team, it's not the best in benchmark wise but what the heck... it doesn't stop to lag, it's extremely fast and responsive, great battery life, undervolt support for further improvements... you won't even notice any slowness compared to high benchmark devices. Red pill kernal is well optimised. I use noop scheduler and conservative governor, it's amazing how redpill handles this. Try it some time. Could solve your problem.
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Formhault said:
The only problem seems to be when the battery level is LOW. Then, no matter what you do, the power level just doesn't rise.
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Just like your 48x CD burner doesn't write at 48x from start to finish, that's how the charging current is not constant; it depends on the remaining capacity, charging algorithms, etc. You're using a special case and asking too much, the solution has been given already (powerful charger and modified kernel to allow a higher charging current and voltage).
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You don't see such stuff here, in Romania.
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Yes you do. I got a 1A Energizer charger which really gives 1A for less than 10$. The variable supply you're describing can be found in any proper electronics shop, try "Maica Domnului" street
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Just like your 48x CD burner doesn't write at 48x from start to finish, that's how the charging current is not constant; it depends on the remaining capacity, charging algorithms, etc. You're using a special case and asking too much, the solution has been given already (powerful charger and modified kernel to allow a higher charging current and voltage).
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Yeah, I know that. That's exactly what I'm saying. The algorithm is different on the S2, it seems.
On all HTC devices I had, the current draw was at its highest (~900mA) when the battery was near depletion, and as the battery was filling up, the current draw was slowly decreasing. On the S2, it looks like it's the other way around. When the battery is nearly empty (1%), barely 100mA are being drawn. As it fills up, near 10% or so, the current draw remains steady at ~641mA, and decreases only past the 70% point.
Good thing is, the current draw remains steady at 641mA, no matter how much I stress the phone! That's astonishing - the other day, the battery was LEAKING 600mA instead of GETTING 641mA when the simplest tasks were done (no stress, that is), during charging...
Guess the guy who had this phone before me didn't really ever charge up the battery properly He said he had an iPhone charger back at home; I told him "nevermind, keep it".
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That's.... weird. I thought siyah kernal was more undervolt friendly :/ besides, I read somewhere that not every galaxy s2 can handle undervolting whilst some can. Rather, it could be the kernal too, I use the redpill kernal provided from the hyperdroid team, it's not the best in benchmark wise but what the heck... it doesn't stop to lag, it's extremely fast and responsive, great battery life, undervolt support for further improvements... you won't even notice any slowness compared to high benchmark devices. Red pill kernal is well optimised. I use noop scheduler and conservative governor, it's amazing how redpill handles this. Try it some time. Could solve your problem.
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The benchmarks are simply amazing; even with the CPU downclocked to 800 MHz...
I'll look for that kernel, hope it's MIUIv4-compatible. Thank you!
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Yes you do. I got a 1A Energizer charger which really gives 1A for less than 10$. The variable supply you're describing can be found in any proper electronics shop, try "Maica Domnului" street
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Everyone's talking about a specific shop down that street... and I never got to actually go there. Guess I gotta look for it... Was kind of doubting it was much of a big deal.
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As the title says...what's the strongest charger? I've noticed my current one when using the GPS with navigation even with it plugged in it'll still lose battery life. Current model I have does 750mA. Are there better ones out there?
Nosferatu. said:
As the title says...what's the strongest charger? I've noticed my current one when using the GPS with navigation even with it plugged in it'll still lose battery life. Current model I have does 750mA. Are there better ones out there?
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There are ones made for tablets that outputs 2.1A. Not sure how much our phones can actually draw from it though.
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Basically, anything with a rating of 0.7 amps or above which shorts D+ and D- together (indicating a dumb charger) will behave the same.
Our internal charging chip limits to 650 mA on AC and 400 on USB. So the only thing you have to watch out for with cheap chargers are:
1) Voltage WAY off from 5 volts (USB standard) at 650 mA load
2) Does not properly signal "dumb charger" causing the phone to charge at 400 mA
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There are ones made for tablets that outputs 2.1A. Not sure how much our phones can actually draw from it though.
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right my problem is finding one that not only draws 1000mA and uses it. I have one that when I plug it in it'll say AC charging and on the unit it says 1000mA but it obviously isn't doing it's job if I'm losing battery life while running GPS navigation in the car. Short of me buying a bulking inverter for the car so I can plug a wall outlet plug directly into it I'd prefer to find a USB to 12V that works right.
I briefly thumbed this thread to get a bit more educated but still no luck on finding a product that works...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=767961
his edit says 650 on wall outlet 400 on USB no matter how big a unit you buy you'll always get 650 Max. Lower brightness and only have the GPS going
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I have the AT$T-branded car charger and when I was using the phone for nav I had no issues with over drain unless I also was streaming Slacker or Pandora at the same time. I now have a truck with built-in nav, so I no longer use the phone for that.
my concern is because I just got a Passport 9500ix and I'm using the live cord so it requires the screen to be on, bluetooth on (which is on anyways for my handsfree), and a GPS signal to be on.
I normally don't use GPS either in the car as I have a built in nav for my vehicle.
I use mine with BT in the car and streaming Slacker with the screen on constant and I never turn off GPS. Have yet to have a charging deficit issue with the aforementioned charger.
well the LiveCable had a USB port on it, plugged it in, and says Charging (AC).
Let's see how this thing holds up I'll re-post in this thread if there's a problem. I'll try it's port instead of my current socket which is not sufficient.
Per another recommendation by Entropy I use SetCPU to limit the cpu to 800 MHz when the navigation app is active. There's still enough power left at this state to allow the phone to build a slight charge if plugged in, or to limit battery drain if it's not.
The simple reality of the situation though is that nav consumes a ton of battery. Running the screen, rendering the maps, running the gps, downloading the maps over cell data etc. all at once consumes a lot of power on any device.
In situations where the battery is getting very low but I still need to use the navigation app I also sometimes just turn off the screen and rely on the audio directions. This helps limit power drain quite a bit.
I wonder how much current he official Samsung car dock supplies?
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I still have a motorola rapid charger from a while back. You guys know much more than i do im sure, especially with the mA pull but ive never had drain while running GPS with brightness on high on my motorcycle.
Rrryan2 said:
Per another recommendation by Entropy I use SetCPU to limit the cpu to 800 MHz when the navigation app is active. There's still enough power left at this state to allow the phone to build a slight charge if plugged in, or to limit battery drain if it's not.
The simple reality of the situation though is that nav consumes a ton of battery. Running the screen, rendering the maps, running the gps, downloading the maps over cell data etc. all at once consumes a lot of power on any device.
In situations where the battery is getting very low but I still need to use the navigation app I also sometimes just turn off the screen and rely on the audio directions. This helps limit power drain quite a bit.
I wonder how much current he official Samsung car dock supplies?
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interesting about setting CPU down when running navigation! I'll have to try that.
Well the good news is with a combination of the stock USB cable plugged into the Live cord for the radar I'm actually charging now while using navigation (slowly but it's charging). Full brightness though it'll either hold steady or drop maybe 1% in 45min or so. Anything but high brightness and it'll charge.
Rrryan2 said:
Per another recommendation by Entropy I use SetCPU to limit the cpu to 800 MHz when the navigation app is active. There's still enough power left at this state to allow the phone to build a slight charge if plugged in, or to limit battery drain if it's not.
The simple reality of the situation though is that nav consumes a ton of battery. Running the screen, rendering the maps, running the gps, downloading the maps over cell data etc. all at once consumes a lot of power on any device.
In situations where the battery is getting very low but I still need to use the navigation app I also sometimes just turn off the screen and rely on the audio directions. This helps limit power drain quite a bit.
I wonder how much current he official Samsung car dock supplies?
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Samsung car dock just uses whatever its input is. The phone treats it the same as an AC power supply - 650 mA limit regardless of what the power supply capability is.
Interesting note: The power supply's method for signaling a "dumb charger" becomes irrelevant on official docks. All the phone knows is it's docked and it has power, it assumes an AC charger. As a result, power supplies that are intended for iDevices will get detected as USB (400 mA limit on I777) if connected directly, but AC if connected via dock.
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interesting about setting CPU down when running navigation! I'll have to try that.
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Recent versions of SetCPU make it really easy to set a profile that triggers automatically when the nav app is started. Well worth the $1.99 price of the app.
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Well the good news is with a combination of the stock USB cable plugged into the Live cord for the radar I'm actually charging now while using navigation (slowly but it's charging). Full brightness though it'll either hold steady or drop maybe 1% in 45min or so. Anything but high brightness and it'll charge.
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Hmm... I confess I haven't paid close attention to it lately, but if I remember right if auto-brightness is selected the screen automatically dims between turns but then ratchets up brightness when a turn is approaching. Maybe setting auto-brightness might handle the issue for you...?
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Recent versions of SetCPU make it really easy to set a profile that triggers automatically when the nav app is started. Well worth the $1.99 price of the app.
Hmm... I confess I haven't paid close attention to it lately, but if I remember right if auto-brightness is selected the screen automatically dims between turns but then ratchets up brightness when a turn is approaching. Maybe setting auto-brightness might handle the issue for you...?
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-as for SetCPU I'm running that setting now. Once or twice SetCPU has been granted superuser came up while running (fine with me it's doing it's job)
-as for auto brightness I'll try with it later. The software Escort uses is a proprietary program and not directly google's maps program (although it does use it's maps).
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.escort.androidui.root&hl=en
you could always flash siyha kernel. it has a setting in ex tweaks to set charging currents. you can up it for all of the devices so usb smart and dumb chargers all charge at 650mA though that might damage a pc usb port... just be careful. and the hardware limits it to 650mA, no more, a lot less
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you could always flash siyha kernel. it has a setting in ex tweaks to set charging currents. you can up it for all of the devices so usb smart and dumb chargers all charge at 650mA though that might damage a pc usb port... just be careful. and the hardware limits it to 650mA, no more, a lot less
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I do have Siyah kernel any link to a thread about this or a quick how to? I'm sure if I played with it enough I'd figure it out but since you're familiar with the subject I figured you'd hook me up! I tend not to play with these types of tweaks too much on my phone... :good:
I have the OEM Samsung car charger. Thankfully, I can have GPS on while plugged in and the phone still charges up, albeit slowly, but it certainly doesn't drain.
Here's the car charger I have:
http://item.mobileweb.ebay.com/viewitem?itemId=400310588012&index=14&nav=SEARCH&nid=89155668283
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Do other hox+ owners also have overheating issues?
Before i bought the hox+ i read many articles about the older one x and the fix for overheating.
I bought the device after it came out and thought that htc cannot make the same mistake again.
Well the device is really awesome thats a fact. But honestly, the non-eco mode is pretty useless as the hox drains the battery
so damn fast. I tried to play Wild Blood in eco mode and it was pretty choppy. Turning off the eco mode just made the game run a few fps faster
and made it as hot as my heater in the night time.
Do you guys also experienced this issue? I'm not sure if 49 - 51 degrees are counted as "too hot" but the device is blinking red and green and
it doesn't feel comfortable to hold the device for too long. I don't even want to mention the gameplay while charging. after around 10 minutes i lost about 10% WHILE CHARGING.
So far i just saw the battery stats thread there but no one really mentioned the temperature while gaming. Would be nice if you guys could share your gaming experience in this thread.
Cheers
Toshi
Toshimitsu said:
Do other hox+ owners also have overheating issues?
Before i bought the hox+ i read many articles about the older one x and the fix for overheating.
I bought the device after it came out and thought that htc cannot make the same mistake again.
Well the device is really awesome thats a fact. But honestly, the non-eco mode is pretty useless as the hox drains the battery
so damn fast. I tried to play Wild Blood in eco mode and it was pretty choppy. Turning off the eco mode just made the game run a few fps faster
and made it as hot as my heater in the night time.
Do you guys also experienced this issue? I'm not sure if 49 - 51 degrees are counted as "too hot" but the device is blinking red and green and
it doesn't feel comfortable to hold the device for too long. I don't even want to mention the gameplay while charging. after around 10 minutes i lost about 10% WHILE CHARGING.
So far i just saw the battery stats thread there but no one really mentioned the temperature while gaming. Would be nice if you guys could share your gaming experience in this thread.
Cheers
Toshi
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Woah i've never seen blinking lights cus it got too hot??? Then again i beat Wild Blood on my iPhone 4 when it first came out and only took me about an hour, lol. Joke of a game, great graphics gameplay blah blah blah but storyline literally takes an hour to beat the game. Then what, no reply value and a waste of space on your device.
Anyways, it's gameloft for 1, they are not and most likely never will be very compatible with tegra devices, that's just how it is. 2. This is a hard working machine bro, it takes a lot of load because it can and have you seen any ventilation on this device or fans installed? Yeah, lack of all that where else is the heat to go? Just glad i have a 1yr manf. warranty and insurance with ATT on this puppy so when it blows itself up one day i get a new one .
I've never turned off power saving mode and play tegra 3 specific games with zero lag! I've also never not once had my device get very hot. At maybe 2 times playing Bard's Tale for about 40min straight and having 5 other apps in the background it started getting 'warm', not at all would i define it as hot. I've watched Netflix movies for 1.5hr straight on power saving mode, device didn't even get warm and not 1 flicker in performance or quality over wifi.
If anything maybe you got a bunk device? If you can't watch netflix or a movie on this thing without it getting really hot and lights flashing like you say, sounds like a bunk phone to me bro. If you can though, it's only stupid gameloft let me take all your money just to play our games that have no replay value and only take an hour to beat, then you have nothing to worry about. Get some tegra games bro, that's what this device is about and once you go tegra games you don't go back, lol!
thanks for your feedback deeznuts. Well except some gameloft games others run pretty smooth in eco mode. It really might be a bad implementation or incompatibility with tegra3. But you are right. I'd say that games like riptide gp look pretty good and do not consume much more batterylife than browsing. Watching movies is also no problem. Mass Effect is also such a batterykiller like wild blood that turns my device into a hot potato.
You are also right that its a fast device without a cooler. But compared to the current iphone generation or the snapdragons it seems pretty hot.
I guess apple did the right thing to patent a cooler for smartphones haha.
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thanks for your feedback deeznuts. Well except some gameloft games others run pretty smooth in eco mode. It really might be a bad implementation or incompatibility with tegra3. But you are right. I'd say that games like riptide gp look pretty good and do not consume much more batterylife than browsing. Watching movies is also no problem. Mass Effect is also such a batterykiller like wild blood that turns my device into a hot potato.
You are also right that its a fast device without a cooler. But compared to the current iphone generation or the snapdragons it seems pretty hot.
I guess apple did the right thing to patent a cooler for smartphones haha.
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Yep but the more wrong things Apple chooses to do far outweighs the good, lol! Reason being not upgrading to iPhone 5 and more then happy with this device
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thanks for your feedback deeznuts. Well except some gameloft games others run pretty smooth in eco mode. It really might be a bad implementation or incompatibility with tegra3. But you are right. I'd say that games like riptide gp look pretty good and do not consume much more batterylife than browsing. Watching movies is also no problem. Mass Effect is also such a batterykiller like wild blood that turns my device into a hot potato.
You are also right that its a fast device without a cooler. But compared to the current iphone generation or the snapdragons it seems pretty hot.
I guess apple did the right thing to patent a cooler for smartphones haha.
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To be fair to nvidia. Snapdragon is 4th gen chip built on 10 years of development. Even the GPU adreno started life as an AMD built chip. Many years ago.
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To be fair to nvidia. Snapdragon is 4th gen chip built on 10 years of development. Even the GPU adreno started life as an AMD built chip. Many years ago.
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Well put!
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To be fair to nvidia. Snapdragon is 4th gen chip built on 10 years of development. Even the GPU adreno started life as an AMD built chip. Many years ago.
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Thats a true statement. Its hard to develop comparable chip in less than 5 years.
I just made a few benchmarks and found out that its really the gpu only that is producing the most of the heat. It seems that
Antutu Tester is just stressing the cpu cores but not gpu at all(powersaving off). At least the device stay slightly warm but not as hot as gaming in powersaving mode.
Actually does the powersaving mode also underclocks the gpu or/and the memory or just limiting the cpu to 1,3ghz?
I have attached a few photos taken with a Thermal Imaging Camera of the front and back before and after playing about 10 minutes of Avengers and Dead Trigger. The before photos arent entirely representative of the idle temperatures as I had been using the phone before taking the photos. Also, the colours are not consistently calibrated so a the same colour on two pics doesnt represent the same temperature. One last caveat, I didnt spend time to properly align the normal image with the thermal image.
from what i noticed any high graphics games or game using core power causes to overheat. like need for speed most wanted a few minutes and i can feel the heat of the unit i hope it can be fixed soon.
I don't seem to have any overheating issues but then again i very seldom play games on my phone...Day to day use like browsing watching videos the phone remains cool to warm.
The only time where i felt the phone got hot was when i tried watching high bit-rate 720p mkv using mx player and software decoding. but the phone never got too hot that it become uncomfortable to touch
Thanks alot for posting those pictures. Its getting really hot. I mean if the surface reaches over 40 degrees, how hot must it be inside the phone?
On the other side there is a nice decrease of temp visible in the lower area of the device. Maybe HTC really took it all in account and it really just gets hot but doesn't really affect the Battery.
Actually the batterylife isn't that bad. Today i charged it and it played pirates of the carribean 3 times and something in 720p on mx player (without sound as i didnt had dts codec). The battery went from 100% to 9% after 7.5 hours. Brightness on auto and data and sync turned on(2G).
i am having international version of One X+, no doubt the phone is amazing but not good for playing games or for VIOP calls,
it gets hot within no time when having these activities results unbearable for ears or hands.. any solution ? does HTC knows about it ?
zahid
It's a quad-core phone its normal to get hot with power hungry games ,plus 42c is not really hot . Now if your phone over heats when iddle I mean 52c + and the light are blinking green and orange than yeah its an issue send it to HTC
it happened to me once when i was playing bad piggies for an extended amount of time. and by extended i mean like 30 mins. it was crazy hot and i thought the flashing lights is a notification but later found out that it got too hot.
seriously nVidia, wtf are you doing
My phone doesn`t get much hotter than my old evo 3d even during intesive 3d gaming like nova 3, avengers initiative and sonic 4 just to name a few. It gets hot but not to the point where it starts to burn my figners, my laptop can do this. Sometimes the led start flashing red and green but even in that case the exterior of the phone is only around 35-40 degrees. The phone will automatically turn off if it overheats, that is when you have to worry about overheating and reporting to HTC, so do not worry about damaging it.
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My phone doesn`t get much hotter than my old evo 3d even during intesive 3d gaming like nova 3, avengers initiative and sonic 4 just to name a few. It gets hot but not to the point where it starts to burn my figners, my laptop can do this. Sometimes the led start flashing red and green but even in that case the exterior of the phone is only around 35-40 degrees. The phone will automatically turn off if it overheats, that is when you have to worry about overheating and reporting to HTC, so do not worry about damaging it.
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Do you play it in saving mode? i tried to play mass effect without saving mode and it took me around 15-20 minutes until the game crashed.
The battery indicator app said overheated with 50.8 degrees. According to HTC it shouldn't be a problem at all:HTC's statement
“If the phone is in normal use without playing games or calling for long time, the temperature should be around 37°C or 38°C.
But if you use your phone to play games or surfing internet for a long time, it will be normal that the temperature rises to around 55°C.“
Why the hell does the game crash then and several apps
are warning me about overheating???
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Do you play it in saving mode? i tried to play mass effect without saving mode and it took me around 15-20 minutes until the game crashed.
The battery indicator app said overheated with 50.8 degrees. According to HTC it shouldn't be a problem at all:HTC's statement
“If the phone is in normal use without playing games or calling for long time, the temperature should be around 37°C or 38°C.
But if you use your phone to play games or surfing internet for a long time, it will be normal that the temperature rises to around 55°C.“
Why the hell does the game crash then and several apps
are warning me about overheating???
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You probably won`t believe me but running games in power save mode actually increases performance, because one cpu doesn`t ramp up as much it forces the other cores to kick in, this means that you have more cores running at a lower clock speed which equates to similar power consumption but far less heat, the reason why games lag is because the cpu is linked to the gpu and throttling when the chip gets too hot, you can desynchronise the gpu by using the renovate gaming boost app however you must be rooted first, great app, most aggressive min frees, optimizes cpu governor automatically and boosts gpu clock (decouples), also the tegra 3 chip was designed to go in and out of its thermal limit.
I've overheated on a few occasions now, all running a quite simple app (in my eyes) - CoPilot satnav!
Plus I loose more battery than the car charger can provide!!!
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targett said:
I've overheated on a few occasions now, all running a quite simple app (in my eyes) - CoPilot satnav!
Plus I loose more battery than the car charger can provide!!!
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well its as everyone has said its a 1.7Ghz quad core phone, its going to get hot its not like your std laptop or desktop with fans and cooling now is it
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well its as everyone has said its a 1.7Ghz quad core phone, its going to get hot its not like your std laptop or desktop with fans and cooling now is it
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Like everyone had said it's a quad core etc, etc, etc, blah, blah, blah...
But why should we just accept it as a norm?! It's not right to make something and sell it as your new flagship when it has a MAJOR design fault by overheating so easily.
If HTC knew it would overheat then a redesign should have been done to allow for heat dissipation???
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Isn't Fast Charging Bad For The Battery?
That would depend on the battery's C rating. Charging at higher rates doesn't necessarily cause damage. There are plenty of articles on charging lithium ion/poly cells out there.
In my previous S7 Edge , the battery lost plenty of juice in just one year of usage ( i was using wireless charging only). Then i sent it to samsung warranty and they replace battery. Tried to find something about if could be the wireless charging that damaged the battery and found none that supported that theory.
Now, with the S8, i´m using the provided charger and cable only (Just to be safe).
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In my previous S7 Edge , the battery lost plenty of juice in just one year of usage ( i was using wireless charging only). Then i sent it to samsung warranty and they replace battery. Tried to find something about if could be the wireless charging that damaged the battery and found none that supported that theory.
Now, with the S8, i´m using the provided charger and cable only (Just to be safe).
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Wireless is different due to the losses in the induction, creating heat, which does have some affect. But there are a lot of variables as to why your battery performance may have degraded.
LeoNote4 said:
Isn't Fast Charging Bad For The Battery?
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Are you a battery engineer/chemist?
peachpuff said:
Are you a battery engineer/chemist?
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Battery President.
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LeoNote4 said:
Battery President.
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Right... it seems every day someone thinks they know more than engineers in that field, battery is getting hot so it must be bad. Yet every year qualcomm and others improve quick charging for even faster charging, so unless someone actually knows something these threads should just stop.
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Right... it seems every day someone thinks they know more than engineers in that field, battery is getting hot so it must be bad. Yet every year qualcomm and others improve quick charging for even faster charging, so unless someone actually knows something these threads should just stop.
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I think what's going on here is someone doesn't know so he is asking a question.
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I think what's going on here is someone doesn't know so he is asking a question.
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Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place? Just because it gets hot? The cpu also gets hot when gaming so i should stop gaming? Recording 4k videos also heats up the phone so i should stop recording 4k video's? Constantly downloading will probably heat up the modem too so i should stop downloading? If something is built into the phone why would you assume its bad for the phone?
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Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place?
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I didn't.
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Just because it gets hot?
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What gets hot? Who said anything about hot?
Hey, don't take it badly, he is just asking. I remember old batteries (for example ni-mh) if you charge it at a high current they use to live less than if you charged them at a slow one (i remember using rechargable batteries of this time for my wii control and i could test it with how long they lasted).
I think the new Li-ion (or better) batteries nowadays don't suffer from this, so you should be safe about them. They have a natural capacity loss thats isnt affected about the rest of the things. You should anyway check for faulty chargers or your battery life, remember all the test samsung makes are with their original hardware.
Regards!
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Why would you assume its bad for the battery in the first place? Just because it gets hot? The cpu also gets hot when gaming so i should stop gaming? Recording 4k videos also heats up the phone so i should stop recording 4k video's? Constantly downloading will probably heat up the modem too so i should stop downloading? If something is built into the phone why would you assume its bad for the phone?
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This is someone not knowing what they're taking about trying to talk down on someone else.
Anyways heat has always been detrimental to battery health which is why samsung fast wireless chargers have fans built in to keep the heat low. Along with this the phone will prevent charging if it passes a certain heat threshold I believe 40c iirc and also the phone uses adaptive charging to prevent over heating of the phone with the included fast charger and charging circuit design. As long as the phone continues to regulate the charge coming into the phone fast charging shouldn't hurt. Of course with fast charging you go through battery cycles faster but this is just because you can charge it a lot more times than with regular charging.
My personal experience:
- 2 years of fast charging = battery drain between 100 and 90 very much noticable
- charging over night causes more damage than fast charging