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Hi all,
I am noob at XDA. (About myself: I am a software engineer aged 30. I have been hacking computers since I was 10.)
I am here because I am planning to buy a new Android device soon. (And unless something really revolutionary happens, I don't plan to upgrade it in the next 2 years or so, so it's a long-term decision.)
My short-list is:
- HTC One S
- Sony Xperia S
or, if everything else fails:
- Samsung Galaxy Nexus
The hardware of the One S and the Xperia S is obviously more powerful than the Galaxy Nexus; my only concern is the software side of things.
The thing is, I really don't like the customization the hardware vendors do with the software, so I want to run raw vanilla AOSP, or something very close to it.
(CM definitely qualifies.)
Also, I am sick of waiting for ages for new android versions to be ported to my device.
Obviously, Galaxy Nexus is guaranteed to be get Android upgrades first, so that's a safe choice in this respect, but since I like the hardware of Xperia S (and One S) so much, I would like to gain a better understanding the software situation of them, so I can make an informed decision about my purchase.
I am aware of the fact that Sony is actively supporting the Free Xperia Team, which is bringing CM9 to Nozomi (among other devices), but I have no information about the details of the project, or it's limitations.
So, my questions are the following:
1. What is the exact nature of the support Sony is providing to the FXP team? (HW? HW docs? Binary drivers? Driver source? Consultation?) Has this changed in any way, now that Sony Ericsson has become Sony? Was this a one-time action, or have they made any commitment about the future?
2. What does one need to build a vanilla android ROM for the S, using the AOSP sources? (Let's forget Cyanogenmod for now.) What is the status of the required device drivers?
3. What are the current obstacles, hindering the release of CM9 (or any other derivative of AOSP) for this device? As far as I know, Nozomi was released in 2012.02, ~4 months ago. ICS was released in 2011.10, ~8 months ago. Official ICS (Sony's version, with Timescape) is rolling out about now; CM9 is not yet released. I wonder what is taking so long?
(Please understand that I really, literally wonder: I am not demanding anything, and I am not trying to offend or accuse anyone; I am totally aware that I don't understand the process; I would like to have more information to understand what needs to be done. And since I am software engineer, and I am not afraid of getting my hand dirty, so eventually, I might end up helping with it...)
4. Do we have any information about Sony's plan for this device beyond ICS? Jelly Bean is coming up soon. Regardless of Sony's decision, when JB is released, I would like to run it on my device, as soon as possible. What are our prospects for porting JB to Nozomi? Is Sony going to help with porting the device drivers to the new kernel, is something like that would come up?
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1) No one knows for sure, but I'm pretty sure that it's not game changing, judging by the progress me and Doomlord made on AOKP without any help from Sony (obviously).
2) You can try building Gingerbread, but no one cares, right? For ICS, see the next answer.
3) The most important problem is that we don't have the drivers/kernel sources, and there's not much motivation for building it from scratch considering the soon(ish) ICS release. There are leaks with files for so called 'brown' or developer devices, but they also don't give much because of different low-level software. So the state of things is that almost everything but wireless is working, but wireless doesn't work at all. That means data, calls and WiFi.
4) JellyBean will likely be a minor upgrade (4.1 that is) and there's nothing stopping Sony from releasing anything on the 4.x branch. When 5.0 comes, it will depend on the hardware requirements but I'd guess we're getting it too.
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1) No one knows for sure,
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How is that possible?
The FXP guys (bin4ry, jerpelea, etc) are here on these forums...
... did they have to swear secrecy, even about the circumstances?
but I'm pretty sure that it's not game changing, judging by the progress me and Doomlord made on AOKP without any help from Sony (obviously).
2) You can try building Gingerbread, but no one cares, right? For ICS, see the next answer.
3) The most important problem is that we don't have the drivers/kernel sources,
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You mean we don't have the kernel sources for ICS, right? Because for GB, we do have something, in this thread... I guess I should ask this in the relevant thread, but has anybody determined the exact differences between this source and the stock ( 2.6.35 ? ) kernel this is based on? How many non-standard drivers are there? Do they come from Sony directly, or do they come from 3rd parties? I will need to look into this...
and there's not much motivation for building it from scratch considering the soon(ish) ICS release.
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And according to past experience, how long does it take Sony to release the kernel for ICS, after the imminent official ICS release?
There are leaks with files for so called 'brown' or developer devices, but they also don't give much because of different low-level software. So the state of things is that almost everything but wireless is working, but wireless doesn't work at all. That means data, calls and WiFi.
4) JellyBean will likely be a minor upgrade (4.1 that is) and there's nothing stopping Sony from releasing anything on the 4.x branch. When 5.0 comes, it will depend on the hardware requirements but I'd guess we're getting it too.
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OK, that part sound good.
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csillag said:
How is that possible?
The FXP guys (bin4ry, jerpelea, etc) are here on these forums...
... did they have to swear secrecy, even about the circumstances?
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I haven't seen them tell anyone, and I've never seen them do anything that's not available for everyone else (thankfully).
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You mean we don't have the kernel sources for ICS, right? Because for GB, we do have something, in this thread... I guess I should ask this in the relevant thread, but has anybody determined the exact differences between this source and the stock ( 2.6.35 ? ) kernel this is based on? How many non-standard drivers are there? Do they come from Sony directly, or do they come from 3rd parties? I will need to look into this...
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There are kernel sources for GB, the same ones from which the stock kernel was built. If you mean the upstream Linux kernel, it'll be a huge diff that's not so easy to port without datasheets (which we don't have) and actual understanding of how the hardware works. Speaking of drivers, I'm pretty sure you misunderstand the way Linux / Android 'drivers' work. Kernel-space drivers (modules) and userspace drivers (libraries and daemons) are two different things. They have to open source their kernels because Linus's tree ('official' Linux) is GPL, but the userspace parts are proprietary. ICS also brought many ABI changes, so just taking old libs and placing them in a new ROM often doesn't suffice.
csillag said:
And according to past experience, how long does it take Sony to release the kernel for ICS, after the imminent official ICS release?
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It takes time, can't say how long really, but it shouldn't take too long because they know we want those sources.
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I haven't seen them tell anyone, and I've never seen them do anything that's not available for everyone else (thankfully).
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Have you seen them being explicitly asked about this?
(Because not saying anything because not being asked is completely different that refusing to reveal this info....)
There are kernel sources for GB, the same ones from which the stock kernel was built. If you mean the upstream Linux kernel,
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Yes, that was what I have meant when I wrote "stock". Now I see that it was ambiguous wording...
it'll be a huge diff
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That's sad.
I was hoping for finding only some added drivers, plus some small configuration changes elsewhere.
that's not so easy to port without datasheets
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obviously
(which we don't have)
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We don't have it, but the "official" FreeXperia team might, or they might be able to ask for it. This is exactly the kind of information I am trying to find about their collaboration with Sony...
and actual understanding of how the hardware works. Speaking of drivers, I'm pretty sure you misunderstand the way Linux / Android 'drivers' work.
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No, actually I get that part. (I am exclusively using Linux for about 13 years now, and I have also done some kernel hacks earlier.) But maybe my wording was ambiguous again...
Kernel-space drivers (modules) and userspace drivers (libraries and daemons) are two different things. They have to open source their kernels because Linus's tree ('official' Linux) is GPL,
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Well, that does not stop some vendors (like NVidia) to ship binary kernel modules, so I would not be too surprised to find even binary kernel modules bundled with the code. But if they are open source, that that's great.
but the userspace parts are proprietary.
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I did not know the devices require userspace parts. I was assuming that the kernel modules implement standard linux device interfaces; for example cameras are simply accessible via v4l[2], the modem is a character device, etc...
...so you say this is not the situation, and besides the kernel modules, they require custom user-space parts for operation, right?
ICS also brought many ABI changes, so just taking old libs and placing them in a new ROM often doesn't suffice.
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Yes, that part is clean.
It takes time, can't say how long really, but it shouldn't take too long because they know we want those sources.
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So, you say that it's a totally possible situation that we need to wait for several further months until we can get access to the kernel sources, and build proper CM9, right?
Unfortunately, this is exactly what I would like to avoid.
Maybe I should just stick to Galaxy Nexus, in spite of the older hardware...
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Csillag
csillag said:
Have you seen them being explicitly asked about this?
(Because not saying anything because not being asked is completely different that refusing to reveal this info....)
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They tend to ignore such questions. PM me if you want my personal opinion, I'll try to stick to the facts here.
csillag said:
Yes, that was what I have meant when I wrote "stock". Now I see that it was ambiguous wording...
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Nevermind.
csillag said:
That's sad.
I was hoping for finding only some added drivers, plus some small configuration changes elsewhere.
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They add some stuff, but they also change stuff internally. Tweaks and patches and many different things to get the best performance on this specific board. CAF has a generic msm-3.0 kernel, but that's not as customized. And we're not really waiting for the kernelspace here.
csillag said:
We don't have it, but the "official" FreeXperia team might, or they might be able to ask for it. This is exactly the kind of information I am trying to find about their collaboration with Sony...
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Such things are very, very strongly NDA protected. That's Qualcomm's secret sauce, and it wouldn't be secret any more if they gave datasheets to the community.
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No, actually I get that part. (I am exclusively using Linux for about 13 years now, and I have also done some kernel hacks earlier.) But maybe my wording was ambiguous again...
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Nevermind
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Well, that does not stop some vendors (like NVidia) to ship binary kernel modules, so I would not be too surprised to find even binary kernel modules bundled with the code. But if they are open source, that that's great.
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Actually what NVIDIA does is ship a GPL'ed kernel module whose only function is to set up an interface through which the userspace (libGL) can talk to the hardware. So their kernel module is open source, but all the magic happens in the proprietary userspace.
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I did not know the devices require userspace parts. I was assuming that the kernel modules implement standard linux device interfaces; for example cameras are simply accessible via v4l[2], the modem is a character device, etc...
...so you say this is not the situation, and besides the kernel modules, they require custom user-space parts for operation, right?
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Android has a HAL of its own, so mostly it's about HAL modules, libGL and libril (Radio Interface Layer) to talk to the modem. And here is where many hardware vendors pull an NVIDIA.
csillag said:
So, you say that it's a totally possible situation that we need to wait for several further months until we can get access to the kernel sources, and build proper CM9, right?
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No, the kernel isn't that much of a problem. If we have to wait for too long, we'll just take CodeAurora msm-3.0 and port it which shouldn't be too hard cause it's as generic as possible.
csillag said:
Maybe I should just stick to Galaxy Nexus, in spite of the older hardware...
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If you want AOSP now, you should go with the GNex. But the XPS is a nice phone, and the prospects with AOSP are good. Also would be nice to have someone more experienced with Linux (I'm just a student here) on the team/forums. If you get the XPS, PM me or Doomlord and I hope you'll help get AOKP running
Guys any idea about this?
Android 4.3 for 2011 Xperias
pasan077 said:
Guys any idea about this?
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Doesnt look like we will get latest android 4.3 for 2011 line up. The 2011 models are scratched by Sony. Only if few developers can port something for us.
If Xperia X8 got Jelly Bean running, I am sure some devs will port 4.3 onto our 2011 Xperias. Can't guarantee that it will work fast and be stable though.
1st of all, Android 4.3 is not even released yet. Even if it does get released, it will take maybe a few months before a developer actually succeeds at getting a working ROM.
Don't expect anything official from Sony.
sony are getting like Samsuck behavior-abandoned their old devices after making more new shining device..after all,xperia 2011 line are still in 'Ericsson'..hahah
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Someguyfromhell said:
Don't expect anything official from Sony.
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well I don't know, I'm pretty sure their 2015 flagship will run 4.3 out of the box.
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well I don't know, I'm pretty sure their 2015 flagship will run 4.3 out of the box.
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This is a 2011 Xperia forum, so we are talking about 2011 Xperia devices, not 2015 ones.
Sent from LT18i with custom firmware by myself.
4.3 should work well on 2011, 4.2.2 (pac man) is not laggy on my xmp.
Since 4.3 is even lighter than 4.2, I'll say it will still work well, better I hope
4.3 will be probably come with less feature such as radio and camera in 4.2.2
4.2 is still not stable for our device, don't think 4.3 will be better despite being lightweight.
cs098 said:
4.3 should work well on 2011, 4.2.2 (pac man) is not laggy on my xmp.
Since 4.3 is even lighter than 4.2, I'll say it will still work well, better I hope
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not all is about performance and lightness, may new android dosent support some hw-codes from our oldschooldevices, aloso we must think on camera, it was a long way to get it good working on cm10.1..... there also other problems, u can only tell if u get it boot on our devices (even this is hard devolpment..) but lets hope the best
firdyRAY said:
4.3 will be probably come with less feature such as radio and camera in 4.2.2
4.2 is still not stable for our device, don't think 4.3 will be better despite being lightweight.
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... like said this u now only when 4.3 gets booted on our devices (and use many, many logs ) and i dont think so, the camera leaked from 4.3 worked for me on 4.2.2 but only bug was u cant see wahat u shot ... (small compared to 4.12 & 4.2.2 problems)
it think 4.2.2 is really stable only think may is battery drain if u heavy user...
peace, bejunk
Mike is already working on it
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As of i know.... There will be a release of android 4.3 a.k.a CM 10.2 for our devices too..... coz I just saw a few videos where android 4.3 was installed in Galaxy Gio and galaxy SII
So Fingers crossed for the CM 10.2 to release for our devices as soon as possible
Chances are good. In first screenshots I saw that Android 4.3 is using kernel 3.4, the same as Legacy Xperia which is based on 4.2.2.
There is a chance that we may get Official CM10.2. :fingers-crossed:
Till then Mike is providing support for most of 2011 Xperias (LegacyXperia) :good:
Let sony release the JB camera drivers first. Then i will worry about android 4.2.
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Let sony release the JB camera drivers first. Then i will worry about android 4.2.
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i was @ SONY EUROPE LTD. headquarters here in berlin and asked about the drivers
1. it was really hard to find somebody who i can ask about that,,after some discuss with 2 ppl and the security man they only gave me a appointment. (for other day)
2. i was there. there was an guy who maked a cigarette break, and he was quite an asshole (sry but its true.) he told me (in short) that i would be to much work to find these codes in sony bcuz our devices are old.
great sony. :thumbdown:
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i was @ SONY EUROPE LTD. headquarters here in berlin and asked about the drivers
1. it was really hard to find somebody who i can ask about that,,after some discuss with 2 ppl and the security man they only gave me a appointment. (for other day)
2. i was there. there was an guy who maked a cigarette break, and he was quite an asshole (sry but its true.) he told me (in short) that i would be to much work to find these codes in sony bcuz our devices are old.
great sony. :thumbdown:
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oh man..
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oh man..
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i think they didnt take me for sure but i wanna only know 'why' they are not releasing some source code or libs?? it was only a try
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i think they didnt take me for sure but i wanna only know 'why' they are not releasing some source code or libs?? it was only a try
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no wonder sony is going down... can't the people at sony search a little and provide us a fortune... i wish sony ericsson was still present
The facts is,
When Sony Ericsson turned into Sony, they spent plenty of money in development & production of new devices to make a fame in market; but kept the hardware same/old for successive devices. Now condition is, they have way too many devices to maintain & money to spend on software development & software distribution for all the devices manufactured so far. It's not economical for them to do so now but as we customers have spent our money into their devices, it's our right to ask for software updates. So now they are giving reasons only to avoid old customers.
Now 'Xperienced' customers avoid Sony.
I know this is going to be a somewhat complicated process, but I'm willing to stick with it.
I'm willing to upgrade to any ROM, really, I'm not picky. If nobody suggests anything different, I'll just go with Cyanogenmod. What I really want is Android M running on the device as soon as possible. Which ROM gets that update out the quickest? I'm a complete beginner at everything you can think of, but I can read and I have a computer, so I can follow tutorials just fine.
Any ideas which ROM I should upgrade to when the time comes? (I mean, if any developers have announced the update to M and their support for the Mate2). If not, my main question is when will Cyanogenmod developers start building on Android M? And when do you think it will get over to the Mate2?
EDIT: I know it hasn't come out yet, but sometimes developers announce that their ROM will be based on some new version of android before it even comes out.
Both PAC and CM are nice. I run CM because I prefer the stick android experience . PAC has more bells and whistles. Personal preference really. SuperBass has made videos on both of them. As well as installing each one.
M will probably never make it to the HAM2. CM works great and is easy to install. Just jump in there with both feet.
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M will probably never make it to the HAM2. CM works great and is easy to install. Just jump in there with both feet.
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Well, to get there, I'd have to downgrade to Jellybean, upgrade to Lollipop, and then start the CM install, which I'm likely to **** up. It's gonna be more like a couple of slow hops in different directions.
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M will probably never make it to the HAM2. CM works great and is easy to install. Just jump in there with both feet.
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Yeah, I was wondering about M. So the official Huawei devs won't update to Android M, but won't CM be updated to be based on it? Is that how it works, or am I mistaken?
I am under the impression that CM has official developers who actually work on the ROM. Then other developers use that and make it available for different devices. Therefore, Android M will be coming to the Mate2 as long as CM is updated by the official developers and it gets support for the device, right?
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Yeah, I was wondering about M. So the official Huawei devs won't update to Android M, but won't CM be updated to be based on it? Is that how it works, or am I mistaken?
I am under the impression that CM has official developers who actually work on the ROM. Then other developers use that and make it available for different devices. Therefore, Android M will be coming to the Mate2 as long as CM is updated by the official developers and it gets support for the device, right?
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No, that's not how it works, actually. Huawei would have to release the HAM2 specific M code for other ROMs to use it. I am about 99.9 percent sure that Huawei will not build M for the HAM2 so it dies on the vine, so to speak.
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No, that's not how it works, actually. Huawei would have to release the HAM2 specific M code for other ROMs to use it. I am about 99.9 percent sure that Huawei will not build M for the HAM2 so it dies on the vine, so to speak.
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So CM isn't a base that device developers tweak to work with specific devices? Do you mean that CM is developed over what the phone manufacturers release?
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So CM isn't a base that device developers tweak to work with specific devices? Do you mean that CM is developed over what the phone manufacturers release?
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Devs need manufacturer kernel source to build off of. Someone can PORT M to this phone. But I seriously doubt that happens. Huawei will surely NOT release M. They barely managed L. And that was only due to so many complaining about no support.
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So CM isn't a base that device developers tweak to work with specific devices? Do you mean that CM is developed over what the phone manufacturers release?
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Yes, CM is often used as a base that other devs use to add their stuff on top of. But, if the manufacturer doesn't release their code (which includes drivers and such), then there will be no CM. Yes, CM is developed over what the phone manufacturers release.
Hello everyone,
I made a petition about our favorite phone to get another update from Sony.
You can sign here
Phone/ROM-related petitions never work. Plus we won't have 100K people signing it - XDA isn't as big as you think, and people outside XDA just don't care or don't even know what's Marshmallow at all.
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It never work or never tried.....i think xda is big enough...people will start knowing about marshmallow and regular people also like updates....maybe in a long run Sony will change its mind...who knows....it never hurt to try..does it .
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It never work or never tried.....i think xda is big enough...people will start knowing about marshmallow and regular people also like updates....maybe in a long run Sony will change its mind...who knows....it never hurt to try..does it .
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Yeah? Check:
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-up...nternational-versions-to-android-5-0-lollipop
https://www.change.org/p/samsung-sa...ollipop-for-samsung-galaxy-s3-4g-lte-gt-i9305
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
https://www.change.org/p/meizu-tech...r-mx4-mx4-pro-and-m1-with-their-kernel-source
https://www.change.org/p/google-release-lollipop-for-android-one-devices
... the objects of which are also fairly popular devices around the globe. Did they listen? Even if they did, did they listen from there?
(And the one I'd even like to sign...
https://www.change.org/p/smartphone...oid-smartphones-with-physical-keyboard-slider)
I'm not saying that Sony won't change its mind under certain influences, just that the influence won't be a petition which can only gather merely thousands of votes in months.
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Well, companies have their own practices and strategies....merely left behind certain product will sometimes benefits that company for a long time even some owner not happy about it....i think i understand some avid users will do this to get attention...but i also know why big company will not listen...maybe they care, maybe they don't but i think if you want to apply updated program or software to certain device is expensive....to want a profit, they need to do this i think...left the product that users a gradually left behind....
Why is having marshmallow important anyway? Nothing after android 4.3 really impressed me. Every new version is buggy and harder to root and the next version tries to only resolve those bugs and introduces other bugs. But I wish you well with your goal and I hope your petition works.
like I said before in another thread. I love my ultra and how it works on KitKat 4.4.4. the battery last longer and some apps work on KitKat that don't on lollipop. I've been on lollipop 5.0.2 rooted and on 5.1.1 rooted and I didn't like it and went back to KitKat 4.4.4. KitKat work very good with my ultra and i'll stay on it till it quits working or sell it. so I don't care for lollipop and marshmallow
I don´t think enough Ultras were sold to start a petition...
does GPE edition gets Android M?
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does GPE edition gets Android M?
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Not according to Sony themselves, but that could change. Don't expect it though.
I though GPE update are handled by google. If nexus 5 is getting Android M, no reason why others s800 phones can't.
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I though GPE update are handled by google. If nexus 5 is getting Android M, no reason why others s800 phones can't.
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Yup, and that's why we have no freakin' idea if it gets M. I sure hope it does, but it's impossible to tell. We'll notice in a week or two though. Cross your fingers!
go to sony official blog. the chance to be heard are bigger there. it's useless making a petition for this kind of issue.
I think, this is pure speculation, GPE has to be joint effort between Sony and Google.. Sony provide the bootloader and kernel and probably recovery too.
Google can then take a bootable platform and build Android on it.
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I think another question should be whether xzu owners would be willing to pay, say, $10 for an upgrade. I would.
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I think, this is pure speculation, GPE has to be joint effort between Sony and Google.. Sony provide the bootloader and kernel and probably recovery too.
Google can then take a bootable platform and build Android on it.
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Sony released the 6.0 binaries earlier this week, which are proprietary Sony drivers which allows ROM developers to get AOSP running on our devices, so maybe they gave those to Google too, so they can port 6.0 to the GPe(?). I don't know. I'm not sure how the GPe program works at that level, so I guess all we can do at this point is to wait and see. (Give it 2-3 weeks)
So does anyone know if GPe version of Z Ultra is getting Marshmallow? I can't find info on this..If they get it, it can be ported to regular XZU as well, right?
Oreo has been loaded on the US version of the Axon 7 and is going through the first round of testing now, per sshasan of Z-Community.
Looks like stock Android or very close to stock as was rumored, with a choice (hopefully) for on screen navigation buttons.
https://community.zteusa.com/discussion/comment/234503#Comment_234503
A poll has been added to this thread to see whether users would like a stock Android build or ZTE's MiFavor UI. So go and vote!!
That's cool. If is like the beta leak they should be good to go soon.
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Oh my, looks pretty good so far. Hope they ramp it up to Android 8.1 and keep the Dolby application.
then maybe itll be released sooner than april i suppose ? but that menu looks promising for being stock
i hate the look of stock android.RIP
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i hate the look of stock android.RIP
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You may be one of the few tbh.
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You may be one of the few tbh.
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No there are plenty of us. Most people do not prefer Vanilla. Google would sell a lot more phones if people wanted Vanilla. Vanilla is boring like a hospital environment.
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No there are plenty of us. Most people do not prefer Vanilla. Google would sell a lot more phones if people wanted Vanilla. Vanilla is boring like a hospital environment.
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I don't think so. If there would be a democratic poll I think the stock look of Android would win by far. I mean you can even change the look wihout root on Substratum now, so I think thats the best way to go for everyone.
OrdenKrieger said:
I don't think so. If there would be a democratic poll I think the stock look of Android would win by far. I mean you can even change the look wihout root on Substratum now, so I think thats the best way to go for everyone.
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For people on XDA perhaps. We are a tiny tiny group compared to regular customers. Vanilla has a small cult following that has a loud voice.
Should the OP put a poll just for the fun? @TEXASMADE1978
dannejanne said:
No there are plenty of us. Most people do not prefer Vanilla. Google would sell a lot more phones if people wanted Vanilla. Vanilla is boring like a hospital environment.
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If Google devices were offered for sale in every country, they would be sold more. there is no relevance to the interface
WesTD said:
If Google devices were offered for sale in every country, they would be sold more. there is no relevance to the interface
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thats absolutly true...
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Alright, looking forward to this! And seeing how Xposed already has a beta for Oreo I don't have to hold out when the update is released. And hopefully this version fixes the metadata problem with some car radios, like mine. (I've heard it is a 7.1 issue.)
nfsmw_gr said:
Should the OP put a poll just for the fun? @TEXASMADE1978
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A poll has now been added... We will see what the votes are even though I have an idea what it will be.
troy5890 said:
Oh my, looks pretty good so far. Hope they ramp it up to Android 8.1 and keep the Dolby application.
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From the rumors I've heard, it will be a stock Android build with some ZTE customizations such as Dolby Atmos among others and will be released around April, possibly a little before depending on how the testing goes. The build was being referred to as Stock UI+, so if they stick to the stock build and then just add a few of their modifications such as Dolby etc, I think we will have a nice rom to enjoy. I'm hoping what I've heard comes to fruition, and so far it seems to be. I agree that it would be nice if ZTE did ramp it up to 8.1 so the build would be as current as possible, and would also like for it to have the newest security patch when released and not something a month old.
dannejanne said:
For people on XDA perhaps. We are a tiny tiny group compared to regular customers. Vanilla has a small cult following that has a loud voice.
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So there is a tiny group that likes locked in more than open you say?
hint: try nova launcher and never lookback.
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TEXASMADE1978 said:
From the rumors I've heard, it will be a stock Android build with some ZTE customizations such as Dolby Atmos among others and will be released around April, possibly a little before depending on how the testing goes. The build was being referred to as Stock UI+, so if they stick to the stock build and then just add a few of their modifications such as Dolby etc, I think we will have a nice rom to enjoy. I'm hoping what I've heard comes to fruition, and so far it seems to be. I agree that it would be nice if ZTE did ramp it up to 8.1 so it would be as of a build as possible.
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FULL ACK
dannejanne said:
For people on XDA perhaps. We are a tiny tiny group compared to regular customers. Vanilla has a small cult following that has a loud voice.
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Regular customers probably don't care either ways. People who care about it and actually want skinned Android are a much smaller minority than those who want vanilla Android.
What's the deal with that on-screen nav bar?
rzarectha said:
What's the deal with that on-screen nav bar?
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Testing most likely.