Although I've had this phone for over a year now, it took me up until now to bring this up:
When charging, once the battery level reaches 90%, it shoots up to 100% although the battery isn't fully charged. Using Cool Tool to read the battery voltage from /sys/class/power_supply/battery/batt_vol_now shows that while idle, the voltage reaches the full capacity of 4.3 volts. However, when the phone does any sort of processing or heavy I/O, it drops to something lower, which is expected since it clearly hasn't reached full charge.
The phone acts as if the battery is fully charged, so when I unplug it, the battery level (and voltage) instantly drops to somewhere between 90 and 100% depending on how long I leave it plugged in after it first shows 100%. I don't take this as a sign of battery aging, since if I leave the charger plugged in for an hour after it charges to 100%, the battery voltage stays at maximum capacity and drains normally depending on how much I use the phone.
What I'd like to know is if this happens to anyone else, because to me it seems more like a software issue rather than something hardware-related. I am running stock 4.4.2, rooted. There are no system-level modifications due to HTC's system partition protection, which I haven't found a need to bypass.
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jim45 said:
Although I've had this phone for over a year now, it took me up until now to bring this up:
When charging, once the battery level reaches 90%, it shoots up to 100% although the battery isn't fully charged. Using Cool Tool to read the battery voltage from /sys/class/power_supply/battery/batt_vol_now shows that while idle, the voltage reaches the full capacity of 4.3 volts. However, when the phone does any sort of processing or heavy I/O, it drops to something lower, which is expected since it clearly hasn't reached full charge.
The phone acts as if the battery is fully charged, so when I unplug it, the battery level (and voltage) instantly drops to somewhere between 90 and 100% depending on how long I leave it plugged in after it first shows 100%. I don't take this as a sign of battery aging, since if I leave the charger plugged in for an hour after it charges to 100%, the battery voltage stays at maximum capacity and drains normally depending on how much I use the phone.
What I'd like to know is if this happens to anyone else, because to me it seems more like a software issue rather than something hardware-related. I am running stock 4.4.2, rooted. There are no system-level modifications due to HTC's system partition protection, which I haven't found a need to bypass.
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I don't have this issue with my M7, but I found this post which might be useful to you.
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So, I'm not sure if anyone has this problem. I pull my phone off the charger in the morning when I wake up, and it's immediately at 96%. Is this a defect with my phone, or is it something I can fix?
Thanks
It's normal. It's actually better on the battery this way. There were some debates about the EVO and kernels that performed SBC charging.
This has been covered in another thread but here it is again...
HTC has used a new charging method on the e3d so it will charge to 100% then stop charging until it hits 95% at which point it will start charging again.
Sent from my EVO 3D using XDA app
connerrs said:
This has been covered in another thread but here it is again...
HTC has used a new charging method on the e3d so it will charge to 100% then stop charging until it hits 95% at which point it will start charging again.
Sent from my EVO 3D using XDA app
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Please link me to this thread, cause I didn't find it when I looked before my post.
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Please link me to this thread, cause I didn't find it when I looked before my post.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1143929
i use the battery monitoring widget.. it has a log that shows you the actual % of the battery while charging.. sometimes the phone will be displaying 100% while charging but in the logs you can see the battery is decreasing and not at 100%.
which is why when you pull it off the battery drops right away.
I'm glad I decided to search first, otherwise I would have the whole XDA community after me wanting to kill me.
Anyways, I have one of those notification icons that show me the battery percentage, but it NEVER reaches 100%. I am constantly checking it to see if I have reached 100% and nothing. Even when I leave it plugged it all night, it only gets to 99%.
I have also tried *#*#4636#*#* and it also shows 99%. Is this normal?
Your battery will technically never be at 100%. As even the most minute drain places it at 99%. Doubtful that HTC is that precise, I understand your frustration
Ok, but my evo 4g WOULD show 100%. That's why I was confused/worried when my 3D showed only 99% max.
This is a frustrating quirk with these phones. I also use battery monitor widget (love it BTW) and its pretty clear how the phone acts around a full charge. See below, graph of battery percentage overnight sitting on the charger.
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If i happen to pull the phone off the charger when it is actually full (or as close to as it will get) then it seems like the battery really lasts much longer throughout the remainder of the day. If i pull it at say a 95% mark then it seems to be down to 80-85% by the time im out the door in the morning after a few emails / dickin around. If i pull it when its full then i only seem to lose a few percent, maybe up to as much as 5% by the time im out the door....
SBC kernel fix / help remedy any of these behaviors?
"Li-ion cannot absorb overcharge, and when fully charged the charge current must be cut off. A continuous trickle charge would cause plating of metallic lithium, and this could compromise safety. To minimize stress, keep the lithium-ion battery at the 4.20V/cell peak voltage as short a time as possible."
Don't panic, it's all as it should be. Don't try to outsmart your smartphone.
Recently they found that charging to a little less than 4.2V you get more charge/discharge cycles out of your battery.
BatteryUniversity
Ok, here is my problem.
The battery indicator its stuck either at 100 % or 95%. I know my real batery life with a program (battery indicator pro).
It seems that the only way to charge it correctly is power it down and plug it to the charger (original by the way). If i charge it while is turned on, the indicator that signal the 100% charge never pops up.
I'm using the go launcher ex, its not rooted, and the stock rom (2.2.2 International).
PS:Yeah i know, my english is pretty bad, so please bear with me.
Mine gets stuck at 80%, both charging and discharging. After 3 or 4 hours at 80% it will go to 100% a few hours later. Hopefully they'll fix this on an update! The battery itself seems to be operating properly.
Well... I guess I take comfort in knowing that I am not the only one experiencing this odd bug. I have the exact behavior and like it's been said, my 5.0 player seems to have normal battery life. I just can't trust the charge indicator.
The method this device uses to estimate state of charge is VERY primitive.
It has a fixed table based purely on battery voltage - the problem is that battery voltage can vary quite a lot for a given state of charge depending on load.
https://github.com/Entropy512/linux_kernel_galaxyplayer/blob/master/drivers/power/adc_battery.h#L87
I'm not sure why they didn't use the MAX17040 fuel gauge that is built into the MAX8998 PMIC...
mV readings seem more accurate than %:
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mV readings are a poor estimate of state of charge, since they'll go up when on a charger, and down when under heavy load.
Our battery % indicator is derived directly from those mV readings. (Which is why our battery % estimate sucks.)
What IS odd is that you seem to have a case where the charger held flat at around 4060 mV for a while - which does correspond to an 80% reading. I think I've seen that once too, might be a kernel bug there, I need to look.
Showing 100% with the voltage dropping shouldn't have happened - I've never seen it myself.
I believe the "stuck" numbers are 80%, 100% and sometimes 65%. Happens every cycle for me, 80% being worst. But on a reboot, immediately drops 25-35% (depending how long it was stuck for). So if you reboot every hour, it will show good readings (but I reboot about once a month).
My tablets battery will say 100 then how down to 3% so ill turn it off then back on and it'll say like 35%. Then most recently its been stuck on 35-37% for some odd reason.
Did you guys try wiping the battery stats in CWM?
I dunno, maybe its not quite problem, just curious. When I had Palm, there when I unplug my phone, it immediately turn 99, which is normal I guess, because from mathematic view, hope you will understand.
But on my SGS2 I have 100 for some time. I am using Battery widget for monitoring battery, so I see, when I charge there was 4188 mV (calibration used here), I unploged, now it is 4150mV, and still 100%. Weird.
So is there something with it?? Do you have the same with it guys??
Thanks for replies.....
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I dunno, maybe its not quite problem, just curious. When I had Palm, there when I unplug my phone, it immediately turn 99, which is normal I guess, because from mathematic view, hope you will understand.
But on my SGS2 I have 100 for some time. I am using Battery widget for monitoring battery, so I see, when I charge there was 4188 mV (calibration used here), I unploged, now it is 4150mV, and still 100%. Weird.
So is there something with it?? Do you have the same with it guys??
Thanks for replies.....
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Nothing is wrong. Android uses deep sleep feature which allows it to drain very little energy while locked and throttling while idle, so you'll stay at 100% for a while. That's perfectly normal.
Also if battery loses some of it's physical capacity over time due to charging cycles - the new, lower capacity value will still be reported as 100% when fully charged, it'll just go down faster.
wow is this thread ridiculous.
back in the day, people were satisfied with 3 or 4 battery bars, just to be generally informed whether they would have to charge the device next week or the week after and these days people are obsessed with their battery life (partly due to it being generally poor). i can understand the many people who are falsely claiming the android os bug, most of which are just unable to understand percentages, other people want to show off their battery life by running the phone in airplane mode and never installing any apps, just to show off "who has the longest", while robbing their phone entirely of its purpose...
and here we are, debating about fractions of % of the battery level which mean absolutely nothing.
i guess it makes sense, that 100% stays for longer than a second, because until 99.5 percent, it would round up. or maybe it counts from 100.0 to 99.1 and only when the .0 digit is triggered, the number goes down by one, effectively most of the time showing you 1% more than you have, but honestly, WHO CARES?
Last night I used the wireless charger for the first time. Seemed to work great and had 100% when I woke up this morning.
It's about two hours later and I notice my battery is down to 55%. The phone is warmer than usual, two hours later as well. I haven't been doing anything special besides texting and some light Facebook.
For the last week I have been getting about 24 hours on one charge. The battery usage predicts I'll be out of juice after three hours.
I'm using this charger: PLESON Fast Wireless Charger Cell QI Fast Wireless Charging Pad Stand
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I have the same battery life (around 40% remaining when I go to bed each night) whether I use the wired charger or my Tylt Vu wireless charger to charge my phone at night. Granted, the Tylt Vu only uses slow charging. But if your phone is fully charged, it shouldn't matter which type of charger you use.
My first priority would be to check for rogue battery draining apps.
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But if your phone is fully charged, it shouldn't matter which type of charger you use.
My first priority would be to check for rogue battery draining apps.
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Right. I've heard discussions of whether different ways of charging can affect total life of battery... LIke QuickCharge might be rougher on battery than slow charging.
But if a battery is charged, then it's charged. It won't deplete faster in one cycle depending on how it's charged.
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Right. I've heard discussions of whether different ways of charging can affect total life of battery... LIke QuickCharge might be rougher on battery than slow charging.
But if a battery is charged, then it's charged. It won't deplete faster in one cycle depending on how it's charged.
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Yes, makes sense. In my screen shot you can see my two highest battery drains. Is there another way to tell if an app is killing battery besides the list on the battery usage screen in the settings? The warmth of the phone even two hours after it was off the charger is a dead giveaway, but the app list was pretty sparse.
Thanks!
Hi everyone. I'm debating whether or not I should disable fast charging on my tablet. It is very convenient, but if it's extremely negative towards my battery life or health of the battery then I'd rather just have it off. You know? So what do you guys think?
Thanks in advance!
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Following points will prove helpful to you to prolong the battery life of your tablet:
1. In my knowledge fast charging is okay, as long as it is not perturbing the temperature of battery by more than 5-10 degree than normal use. I usually turn off the charging if I find that the battery temperature has risen above 33 degree Celsius. My room temperature is at 28-30 degree Celsius.
2. I also use slow charging method, but observed that only 200-300 mA gets directed to be stored in battery while device is in use, so I make use of fast charging (1600mA).
3. If you leave your device plugged overnight for charging, then you should be using slow charging method instead, as keeping Li-ion battery at full capacity degrades its capacity with time.
4. I try not to charge my battery beyond 85% and lower the charge beyond 15%. It is good to have its capacity oscillate in between 20% to 80%.
5. If you observe drastic rise in temperature of your battery while in use or while charging, turn off the device. It may not be safe to use it, and never ever use fast charging on such battery.
6. Fast charging leads to less number of cycles be available to Li-ion battery with as shown in the diagram below. So yes, its decreases the life time of Li-ion battery.
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7. You should avoid using fast charging on old/poorly performing Li-ion batteries.
8. You should avoid fast charging if room temperature is below 10 degree Celsius or above 45 degree Celsius.
9. You may want to install one of following app to monitor the current and temperature of your device while in use. I have both of the app installed on my device.
Charge Monitor
https://forum.xda-developers.com/android/apps-games/charge-monitor-t3555496
BatteryBot Pro
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicatorPro&hl=en
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.darshancomputing.BatteryIndicatorPro/
References:
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/ultra_fast_chargers
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/charging_lithium_ion_batteries
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/bu_409a_why_do_old_li_ion_batteries_take_long_to_charge
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/...the_optimal_runtime_and_power_ratio_of_li_ion
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/battery_performance_as_a_function_of_cycling
http://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/safety_concerns_with_li_ion