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I'm deciding between a tf201 or a samung tab 7.7 but I've been reading a lot of reports that users are getting backlight bleeding and others are not.. what is the actual stand on this, is the backlight bleeding normal or just common?
People defend it by saying that even the ipad2 has bleeding, I've checked 3 ipad2's from relatives and none if it had any backlight bleeding including a single ipad1 and 2 iphone4's.
For TN based displays I understand its normal for it to have bleeding.
As an ex-Asus fanboy, there definitely is a light bleed issue. Most prominently around the right and bottom sides of the tablet. IF you look around at the forums about light bleed issues, you'll notice that people who have had the issue say "I'm not on my 4th prime" or something similar. It's an issue with shotty quality control.
I bought a prime and had a light bleed issue. Majority of that light bleed could only be seen when the screen was black. However, it is very significant light bleed. Other tablets or IPS devices that have light bleed are similar, but just not as pronounced. Asus really redefined light bleed
I traded in my first Asus Prime and received a second one (BC) from the same store. It had light bleed in almost the exact same location, and in some cases worse. None the less, I took that back and just kept my money. Hopefully a galaxy tab 2 or Iconia A700 or TF700 or IPAD 3 will serve me better for the $500 I spent.
Bottom line -- if you're going for a prime, you're most likely going to get light bleed (chances are slim you won't). And after spending a week with it, it gradually got worse.
I might try to buy one again at the end of February to see if they improved the quality.
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As an ex-Asus fanboy, there definitely is a light bleed issue. Most prominently around the right and bottom sides of the tablet. IF you look around at the forums about light bleed issues, you'll notice that people who have had the issue say "I'm not on my 4th prime" or something similar. It's an issue with shotty quality control.
I bought a prime and had a light bleed issue. Majority of that light bleed could only be seen when the screen was black. However, it is very significant light bleed. Other tablets or IPS devices that have light bleed are similar, but just not as pronounced. Asus really redefined light bleed
I traded in my first Asus Prime and received a second one (BC) from the same store. It had light bleed in almost the exact same location, and in some cases worse. None the less, I took that back and just kept my money. Hopefully a galaxy tab 2 or Iconia A700 or TF700 or IPAD 3 will serve me better for the $500 I spent.
Bottom line -- if you're going for a prime, you're most likely going to get light bleed (chances are slim you won't). And after spending a week with it, it gradually got worse.
I might try to buy one again at the end of February to see if they improved the quality.
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i am actually on my 4th prime! lol. And yes still have bleeding and it is getting worse after just 2 days.
wait for the for the TF700 if you dont need it now.
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I dont need it now but I want it now... so with the S-IPS panel specification there should be no backlight bleeding correct?
EarlZ said:
I dont need it now but I want it now... so with the S-IPS panel specification there should be no backlight bleeding correct?
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Of course there "SHOULD" not be any backlight bleeding. No manufacturer wants to produce a display with light bleeding from the sides.
The reality is that most Primes suffer from this and it is up to the user to live with it or not. The one I had did have some bright spots along the lower edge of the screen and I would have put up with it had it not been for the constant reboots.
For me its not gonna be acceptable considering the price and the touted S-IPS since I've never personally seen one with backlight bleeding. I guess I have to wait it out.
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For me its not gonna be acceptable considering the price and the touted S-IPS since I've never personally seen one with backlight bleeding. I guess I have to wait it out.
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Utility of a device is always a matter of perspective. Some people look past it mostly because they want it so bad. I teased myself with it for about 7 days and finally made a decision that it could wait (mostly because the backlight bleed became worse!)
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Of course the "SHOULD" not be any backlight bleeding. No manufacturer wants to produce a display with light bleeding from the sides.
The reality is that most Primes suffer from this and it is up to the user to live with it or not. The one I had did have some bright spots along the lower edge of the screen and I would have put up with it had it not been for the constant reboots.
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Exactly. The question is, would have anyone noticed if they were not looking for it? It's a psychological question I often ponder. I almost forgot about my backlight bleed because I really didn't experience it during normal lighting conditions and apps/background not highlighting the bleeding. The tablet also is fricking amazing from head to toe with regards to functionality, ease of use, and performance.
However, its a shame as the backlight is turned up all the way when you first start the tablet. Since the startup screen uses a complete black backdrop the first experience a brand new Prime user will have (and yes you WILL have it) will be light bleed.
I will watch a lot of movies on in and for sure a dark scene cant be avoided and I even use an all black background or a black and white picture so its gonna be noticeable on my regular use including the fact that 85% of my usage will be in the bedroom with lights off.
I've had my prime for about 10 days. It's got what I would consider minor light bleed. When I first turn it on and it's going through the boot screens, there's noticeable bleed in the top right corner and along the bottom in several spots. However, when the homescreen comes up (even with a dark background - i.e. the ASUS live wallpaper at night), I can barely notice any bleeding at all.
So, I guess my point is, if you're using it with the lights off, your screen brightness will be at its lowest setting and hence light bleed should be barely noticeable if at all.
Meh still! 100 times better than my old windows 7 laptop. I look forward to using the tablet vs my desktop or laptop because the screen is so beautiful. I still think many of you like me are tech junkies and will buy the next greatest thing when it comes out...
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EarlZ said:
I'm deciding between a tf201 or a samung tab 7.7 but I've been reading a lot of reports that users are getting backlight bleeding and others are not.. what is the actual stand on this, is the backlight bleeding normal or just common?
People defend it by saying that even the ipad2 has bleeding, I've checked 3 ipad2's from relatives and none if it had any backlight bleeding including a single ipad1 and 2 iphone4's.
For TN based displays I understand its normal for it to have bleeding.
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Keep in mind that the ICS setup screens are NOT totally black. They are black at the top and then lighter towards the bottom. I've had many people mistake this for light bleed
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Keep in mind that the ICS setup screens are NOT totally black. They are black at the top and then lighter towards the bottom. I've had many people mistake this for light bleed
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I'm awre of that, I'm gonna use a totally black png image to check for lightbleeding if ever I decide to get one.
First two primes I owned, returned due to stuck pixels are HORRIBLE light bleed. 3rd one barely any bleed (slight amount in upper right hand corner, BCOK serial number. 4th and 5th prime, C10K serial numbers, zero light bleed. Very happy with them.
(reason for 3, one for me, my wife and bought one for my brother in law for his birthday).
So you have a C1 and no light bleed?
Light Bleed getting worse
Has anyone seen their light bleed becoming worse as time goes by? My Prime came and there was only a slight light bleed in the lower left corner and was only noticeable during boot. I have now had the Prime for 3 weeks and the Light bleed has gotten worse. I now have light bleed up the left side, across the bottom and up the right side. Is anyone else seeing this with their Primes?
Others also reported that its getting worse.
Mine has bleed, but the only time I ever notice is when it's booting. They all have some form. iPads have them also. Mine did.... it's the nature of IPS, apparently.
Enjoy your TF201, stop staring at a plain black screen.
Mine has just a bit of bleed along the bottom, not really noticeable and nowhere as bad as our TV. The top-right corner however, on the bootup screen and any solid black (does not show up in any other color ) has pretty bad bleed. I'm pretty sure this is down to only having pressure in the four places this screen does.
If I push the panel's corner in toward the glass in that spot the bleed disappears, and no amount of tightening on the nearest screw will help.
I have not noticed mine get worse in the two weeks I've had it, but I reseated all the screws and made sure they were snug...
I don't know... I've had mine for a week and I don't have any light bleed. None that I can notice at least..
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The backlight bleed 'issue' is either hit or miss. I had a B1 grey for a couple of weeks before my C1 Champagne pre-order finally came in and the B1 had no backlight bleeding what-so-ever. My C1 has a small amount light bleed along the right side, which from the sounds of it is fairly common on the C1s.
In my opinion the backlight 'issue' is not that big of a deal. In my normal daily use it is something I don't notice at all. As others have mentioned if you do get one with light bleeding the only time you really notice it is on the boot screen.
On the seperate one tick whether or not you have it. Personally I can spot mine in normal usage at some auto brightness levels. I know that a lot of this will fall under personal opinion, but I would like to hear what people think.
This thread is pretty pointless. The severity is going to be everyone's opinion. There is no set way to measure it without comparing all the devices. And taking pictures of the device is a bad way to measure it because light bleed is amplified horrendously on a camera. Personally, I don't think the light bleed on my N10 is bad at ALL, possibly because I'm somewhat used to it due to my monitor having it.
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This thread is pretty pointless. The severity is going to be everyone's opinion. There is no set way to measure it without comparing all the devices. And taking pictures of the device is a bad way to measure it because light bleed is amplified horrendously on a camera. Personally, I don't think the light bleed on my N10 is bad at ALL, possibly because I'm somewhat used to it due to my monitor having it.
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Perhaps, but I would like to see how bad people think their light bleed is. Personally I have compared it to several other of my devices (galaxy tab 2 7.0, ipad 2, galaxy player 5.0) and none of them have it this bad.
If I stare at the bottom right corner, on a completely black screen, with max brightness, I can notice slight bleed. Looking at the same corner under any other conditions and I can't make out any bleed lol.
If I stare at the bottom right corner, on a completely black screen, with max brightness, I can notice slight bleed. Looking at the same corner under any other conditions and I can't make out any bleed lol.
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Idk, this makes we want to send mine back and try for another, but I don't want to do that and get a worse one back. I can see mine at 100 percent brightness and if I stare at it I can pretty easily see it under normal conditions. My friend couldn't see it for like 20 minutes though, so maybe I am just crazy. With that said he can spot it pretty easily now.
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Idk, this makes we want to send mine back and try for another, but I don't want to do that and get a worse one back. I can see mine at 100 percent brightness and if I stare at it I can pretty easily see it under normal conditions. My friend couldn't see it for like 20 minutes though, so maybe I am just crazy. With that said he can spot it pretty easily now.
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If it's going to be a concern in the long run, I might suggest just returning it.
Currently, I have a multi-touch issue with my screen that doesn't seem to like when I use more then 3 fingers at random times. Although the chances of me using more then 3 fingers is... extremely rare; it does sort of bother me a bit lol. But then again, aside from that, and the very minor bleed I have, everything else seems fine... hmm
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If it's going to be a concern in the long run, I might suggest just returning it.
Currently, I have a multi-touch issue with my screen that doesn't seem to like when I use more then 3 fingers at random times. Although the chances of me using more then 3 fingers is... extremely rare; it does sort of bother me a bit lol. But then again, aside from that, and the very minor bleed I have, everything else seems fine... hmm
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Ha ha, almost seems like a best of the worst sort of thing. If it doesn't have one issue it has another. Also the cable they sent me doesn't charge the tablet, I have to use the one that came with my sgs3.
Good to see that the majority has none. Just ordered a new unit. We shall see how this turns out.
My option is not there. Only visible on the start up screen and only when the auto brightness adjusts. They could probably just fix mine by disabling auto brightness on boot up and there would be no way I can see it. Lol
For the people that said they don't have any:
When did you order and is this your first unit?
I'm not sure if mine really counts as light bleed. Since playing with it for a couple of hours I've only noticed two small spots on the very bottom about the width of my small finger. I need to have brightness set to about 60% and a completely dark background to really see it. During normal use with auto brightness on I don't notice it. Is it really possible to get zero light spots in all conditions with these screens?
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I'm not sure if mine really counts as light bleed. Since playing with it for a couple of hours I've only noticed two small spots on the very bottom about the width of my small finger. I need to have brightness set to about 60% and a completely dark background to really see it. During normal use with auto brightness on I don't notice it. Is it really possible to get zero light spots in all conditions with these screens?
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That's still light bleed, but I can see mine all the time. It sounds minor.
So far not so good. 14 people don't have light bleed and 15 people do.
I ordered mine 5 minutes after they went on sale. No light bleed.
Well I called for an RMA. Before the csr put it through, I got assurance that should the replacement have worse problems that I could RMA the replacement and keep the original. My problem is a little annoying but I have no desire to go through 6 or more replacements to find that perfect device. Other than the dim strip this thing is flawless so I'd rather not risk warped backs, reboots, or a worse panel. Here's to hoping the one replacement is defect free.
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Well I called for an RMA. Before the csr put it through, I got assurance that should the replacement have worse problems that I could RMA the replacement and keep the original. My problem is a little annoying but I have no desire to go through 6 or more replacements to find that perfect device. Other than the dim strip this thing is flawless so I'd rather not risk warped backs, reboots, or a worse panel. Here's to hoping the one replacement is defect free.
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You and me both lol, I really hope my replacement doesn't have worse light bleed.
Before returning your Nexus 10...
Call Google and speak to TECH SUPPORT AND NOT CUSTOMER SUPPORT!
I complained about light bleed in my first one, and later came to find out that the idiot in CS put down that I was returning it due to remorse, which means I'd have to pay the restocking fee. Tech will put your return reason as defective or DOA so you don't get charged the fee.
No light bleed on mine. I was surprised since my last two Android tablets (transformer and toshiba excite 10) both had some light bleed noticeable on the black boot screen.
Hi,
order Thursday 22 and Friday 23 received. I also have the problem of "light leakage" on the bottom right corner.
How is the replacement? Should your return the product for exchange or google you refer another product? and then send the product deffect .
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So far not so good. 14 people don't have light bleed and 15 people do.
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Worth bearing in mind that the numbers are skewed somewhat toward people who are concerned about this topic, with a good chance that they have a light bleed problem -- these are generally the folks who will open this thread and vote in the poll. If you could be confident that all XDA readers in the N10 forum would vote, the percentage would be scarier. Not sure how meaningful the stats will really be that are collected in this thread.
Guys I need some help here! Here are the photos my tab's screen, I hardly can get the better ones.
As far as you can see, does it have the bleeding issues or those are only blueish IPS tints there?
Really appreciate any input!
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Guys I need some help here! Here are the photos my tab's screen, I hardly can get the better ones.
As far as you can see, does it have the bleeding issues or those are only blueish IPS tints there?
Really appreciate any input!
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this is what light bleed looks like:
ure looks fine from what I can see.
BAD_BOY_KIEV said:
Guys I need some help here! Here are the photos my tab's screen, I hardly can get the better ones.
As far as you can see, does it have the bleeding issues or those are only blueish IPS tints there?
Really appreciate any input!
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I cannot see due to the reflection. Take a picture in the dark. The blacks aren't black on the nexus 10. And its not a IPS screen it is PLS display.
My advice is to not hunt for defects and just enjoy your device.
Yeah you're right, but I am not in US and have not received it yet to enjoy, unfortunately, and if I will forward this there will be no going back with warranty etc) Also can't get the clearer images, that is why I decided to kindly ask someone who has the device in hand to determine the situation I am in.
If you want to know it has light bleed, ask the person that has it right now to take a picture of it with a black wallpaper in a completely dark room.
download light bleed app from play store, take snap shot of the screen, post here.
I never noticed anything until I actually tried this "light bleed" test, but I noticed there is a YouTube video for testing light bleed and that was much less noticible, if at all, compared to the app on the play store..
Moral of the story is: When actually using the device, light bleed has made ZERO difference for me - Nexus 10 is great so far
EVERY LCD Screen has light-bleeding, but you don't always see it.
If you see it in daily use - you may have a problem.
If you don't see it in daily use - where's the problem?
People crank the backlight all the way up and then take pictures in a pitch dark room...but that doesn't represent the practical use.
When booting the N10, the backlight is set to maximum. Wait till it adjusts itself and then look for light bleeding.
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If you don't see it in daily use - where's the problem?
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I wonder if Samsung /Google fixed the issue? I i saw pics from people who received their n10 on the initial launch week and could easily see light bleed in all the pics posted. i remember comparing them to my own tf700, and wifes ipad3 at the time and saw the n10 bleed pics to all be worse than my tf700 which had a little bleed in 2 of the corners and no bleed on my wifes ipad. i received my n10 this week after having it pre-ordered thru staples and just checked it using one of the bleed checking apps and it looks great at full brightness.. better than my tf700, looks equal to my wife ipad 3, with maybe one tiny spot that was only visible at 100 % brightness.
It's almost impossible to take adequate pictures of backlight bleeding. Just like with clouding or banding on TVs. You just can't take them as a comparison.
Search for iPad backlight bleeding in Google and there you have it...
Hi there. Had my nexus 10 for a week now and loving it having previously used a Playbook which was great apart from lack of decent apps. Only thing bothering me is the white light coming from the corners and sides of the screen which is quite noticeable when watching movies or anything with a black background. Do you think this is light bleed and is it bad enough to return?
There is already a thread for this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1969890
Thanks and thread closed
Just got my N9 today from Best Buy. Have any of you noticed light bleed from the top of the screen?
Yep. From the top. Most noticeable with white.
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I think every device has some light bleed from the top, so it's unfortunately by design. Mine also has a small brighter spot a the lower left bottom, but it doesn't bother me at all.
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I think every device has some light bleed from the top, so it's unfortunately by design. Mine also has a small brighter spot a the lower left bottom, but it doesn't bother me at all.
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I'm upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 8.9. Never noticed any sort of bleed on it.
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I'm upgrading from a Galaxy Tab 8.9. Never noticed any sort of bleed on it.
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I should have made it clearer that I was talking about all Nexus 9 devices, not all devices.
Yup i have light bleed on mine also. Was thinking about exchanging but it appears that I'll most Lieut get another with bleed
I noticed some light bleed on the top edge in portrait mode. I didn't think anything of it at first but it really stands out in landscape mode.
Bleedgate?
I have some slight light bleed on the top of the screen in portrait mode. I'm not sure what to do...
My N7 2013 had light bleed also. Its not that bad unless you're looking for it.
The light bleed seems to be a manufacturing defect. Also, the flexibility when pressing on the middle of the back of the device seems like a design flaw. I wonder if Google will address these as known issues.
I took a couple of pics while running PixelTest.
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I took a couple of pics while running PixelTest.
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And that's pretty much how mine looks like. There is noticeable light bleed especially around the status bar area (dark statusbar )
Yep. I got it too, but it isn't all that noticeable. There seems to be a large gap between glass and screen in general.
Yes, mine has the same light bleed at the top as well.
I got my black 32GB from the play store in UK. My screen is perfect. No light bleed at all. I've never had a tablet with no light bleed so this is the first. :good:
When I first turned the unit on, my first reaction was on my God!
Large light bleed, top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right!
I must admit it seems to have died down some what.
Contacted Google as soon as I turned the device on ?
They offered a full refund or to exchange my device, think I will wait for a few days and decide what to do!
Thing is there are no other tablets I like! See what Google is going to do, wonder if they will address these issues?
Light bleed, my nexus 7 2013 has it a bit, which then can only view when your starting up the device, but does it really impact the screen quality? no it doesn't.
White 32gb. I have horrible screen bleed on all corners and edges. I have never seen anything this bad. Another joke in build quality is the creaking back, every time I slightly move my hold on the tablet, the back creaks.
I might have been able to overlook these flaws if the Nexus 9 was priced cheap, but at £410, this build quality is just totally unacceptable. Its a joke.
I will be asking for RMA and if the replacement also has screen bleed, I will be requesting a refund and reconsider my desire to purchase the Nexus 9.
Light bleed on mine too... Top side only.
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I got my black 32GB from the play store in UK. My screen is perfect. No light bleed at all. I've never had a tablet with no light bleed so this is the first. :good:
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When I first turned the unit on, my first reaction was on my God!
Large light bleed, top left, top right, bottom left, bottom right!
I must admit it seems to have died down some what.
Contacted Google as soon as I turned the device on ?
They offered a full refund or to exchange my device, think I will wait for a few days and decide what to do!
Thing is there are no other tablets I like! See what Google is going to do, wonder if they will address these issues?
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Did you buy from Play Store?