Placeholder for the future ClearDroid rom for the at&t variant of the desire 610!
Version 1.0.0 coming shortly. Changelog below!
Q&A thread here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2933258
(coming soon)
Version 1.0.0 (Initial release)
-1.50 AT&T OTA Base
-Rooted
-Insecure boot image
-init.d enabled
-zipaligned
-deodexed
-at&t bloat removed
Frequently Asked Questions
Q: What is this?
A: This is the famous ClearDroid rom, soon for the htc desire 610. We have made roms before for the Inspire 4g, galaxy s3, and Motoactv. It will be a full rom, and will most likely also include extra flashable modpacks.
Q: What's taken you so long?
A: Write protection sucks.
If you need any testers i would love to help
Sure will. Just need to fix the updater script and binary and should be good to go. Large file though, currently over 800 mb. Working on script and also removing the write protection today. Will have to do it by module until I get source code on my computer. Having a friend download it and going to literally mail it to me lol!
Ok..just let me know when you need testers
Just an update. It flashes properly now, but doesn't boot yet. Getting closer.
finally some one working on a rom for this phone
gonna help reporting bugs if i find when first version drops =)
Update: I've got it booted, but have a few tweaks to work on. Module symlinking and such. Been a while.
Edit: I think I may have gotten it figured out. Made a new zip, will do a test flash tomorrow. 3 am is my limit tonight. Lol
Any update on the progress?
Still working on it. Trying something different, and I think I threw off my updater script again. So, looking into why it messed up today.
I forgot to ask what exactly does 1.50 AT&T OTA Base mean?
Is this based lollipop or kitkat? My only interest in lollipop is the supposed support for mirroring. There is an app for kitkat that just got an update but it's kind of wonky and it won't work on my fire tv just the Apple tv. Otherwise I have everything I need right now. But still very interested in your Rom regardless. The removed bloatware is a big one for me to--does that include HTC or just AT&T bloatware?
Of course I could be way off and this Rom will receive updates like tweaked versions. But still kind of a new experience.
BTW--Thanks for working on this. It doesn't go unappreciated!
Kitkat, we have absolutely no lollipop source yet of any kind. Until the device gets an official lollipop update, I can't do much to help with that lol. At&t bloat removed. Htc stuff stays. Also, I leave the at&t hotspot app because it provides us with free WiFi at places like McDonald's. 1.50 is the beginning of the version number of the firmware from htc. The phone came with 1.30 and was just updated over the air to 1.50. This is a rom made with that latest version.
Edit: update - have it booting and flashing properly now. Issue now is making superuser stick. That's the next step. Making progress, slowly but surely. After that, the write protection mod is the last bit. But I'll release version 1 when I get root.
Are you progressing well with getting it rooted ?
Still working on it. Have been busy the last couple of days. Today is my Friday though, so I'm off the next 2 days.
Is it going to be compatible with the international version?
I doubt it, because of the hardware differences. I don't have an international version to test either.
I have an international device so if you want i can test it
Need someone with an at&t device to test for me. They must have a basic understanding of flashing through recovery.
I have international..but still i can try it if you provide the downloads as i have flashed the stock at&t rom before and i had no problems with it whatsoever. So if you provide the rom i will try it.
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I've been searching and searching and can't find anything where this question is really touched on, at least not from Google.
Basically the thing I'm looking at is this. I come from a Droid X which had and still has a locked bootloader. I was always under the impression that this means two things:
1) MUST use signed updates
2) Cannot use custom kernels
And based on those two things my understanding was that you can theme and modify some small framework and /system stuff, but could never truly update the phone like you could with an unlocked bootloader.
This is where I'm confused. So we have unlocked bootloaders on our Thunderbolts which allows us to flash unsigned zips. Cool. But how does this affect future versions of Android? Like our current Gingerbread roms, aren't they based off of a leaked RUU? What would happen if let's say, Gingerbread is the final OS Upgrade we get from Verizon. How will the next major update to Android be loaded to us?
Do the developers have the ability to port new versions of Android without these leaked OTA's? Or do we rely on the OTA's that include new Android OS versions to progress? Thanks
When Verizon sends out updates our Devs can take them and edit them to work with rooted users. Thats why you will see things come from (I think his name is football) who gives us the updates from Verizon and then our Devs modify them to keep our root privileges. If you are rooted on a custom ROM tho you wont receive OTA.
Thank you for the response. I understand that part, but really what I'm trying to find out is:
Thunderbolt is on Froyo -> Verizon WILL update us to Gingerbread via OTA
Had Verizon NOT updated us to Gingerbread, would devs be able to take us there thanks to an unlocked bootloader? Or would the phone forever be doomed to use Froyo?
Take that principle and apply it to whatever comes after Gingerbread, because I'm pretty sure 2.3 will be the last major OS update this phone gets officially.
i cant give you a sure answer but BAMF has made sense 3.0 work on our phones and that is never releasing as an OTA i would assume if the next version of android comes to any 1ghz phones or well any htc phones someone will find a way just allot more work and more time.
Well thats basically all I needed to know. As long as we have an unlocked bootloader and a dev community willing to work on it, people can basically port any new versions of the OS even from other phone updates.
I just fear the idea of EOL and no more future OS updates.
Good way to answer your question is to take a look at the d1 and even the eris. They are both eol yet i know for sure the d1 has gingerbread, and i believe the eris does also.
sent from my bolt
Hey guys, Im completely new to rooting and im getting a rezound in a couple days and i just had a few simple questions that i couldnt find the answers too else where.
1. If I root my rezound will i still be able to receive all the regular updates like the verizon updates and upcoming OS updates? If not what can i do to get those?(Correct me if im wrong but I would assume that i would have to reverse my root somehow if the answer was no but im not sure how to do that)
2. If i root do i have to install a ROM?(Note:Im planning to remove htc sense as soon as i root and install a new launcher...idk if that has anything to do with having to install a ROM but i figured i should ask)
if you plan to stay on the original rom after you root, im pretty sure that you will be able to recieve the actual ota when its released. but you say that you plan to delete a lot of htc stuff (im assuming bloatware and things like that)...i would HIGHLY recommend just flashing a rom with all of that done for you. unless you know what youre doing, removing htc stuff by yourself can be detrimental to your phone and cause it to not work as it should. im currently running cleanrom 4.1 and its incredible. flashing a rom would be the best way to go
hope this helped.
yes that help, thanks. so if i were to use cleanrom 4.1 and i wanted to get the official ICS update when it released, what would have to do to be able to install it?
Forgive me for being a noob but I am going to attempt my first post I usually just read but feel I may be able to give a quality answer. SO, If you make a nandroid backup before flashing any rom's you will be able to revert back to stock at any time. You can do this via a custom recovery. In order to get an OTA, like the ICS one that is coming soon, you will have to reload your stock rom. Simply put, you cannot get an OTA with a custom rom. If you want a custom rom now and an OTA update later, make a backup and revert back to it when the OTA you want is released. Hope this helps!
One thing that nobody seems to ever mention is do NOT do anything to your phone for the first 30 days because you want to make sure you have a solid phone.
If your phone is constantly malfunctioning because of a problem with the phone, but you have already rooted your phone and flashed a new ROM, then you're going to be nothing but frustrated because you will think it's the ROM, or perhaps something you did when rooting the phone.
If you have a problem within the first 30 days and you have not rooted or flashed a new ROM all you do is walk in to Verizon, tell them the phone is brand new, but having issues with [insert problem here] and you get a brand new phone with all your info transfered for free, and another 30 days to make sure your replacement is not defective as well.
Sent from the resounding Rezound
very good tips! thanks guys, your answers are highly appreciated!
Aaronmc
What device are you coming from? I went from an OG Droid1 to the Rezound and actually love Sense. I think you should try it out first before cutting it out completely. If you wish you can leave the stock Status Bar/SystemUI and install a different launcher as that will disable most of the Sense elements, ~90% of it. As far as OTA's go, unconfirmed whether or not you can update from the recent leak. Make sure you have stock rom available or do not flash the recent leak and choose one of the older roms (Can always RUU back to the stock rom when official hits). I suggest Rezrom 3.1 with the old firmware patch as for me it's been so far the most stable and best battery life ICS rom I have used.
1. No, you won't be able to get OTA updates. But don't worry too much about that. It takes about a week, but the devs will post a manual method or you can use the RUU that usually preceeds the OTA by a day or two.
2. Don't try to disable sense from the stock ROM. It'll be trouble, I tried it for a while back when we only had temp root and it made it buggy and smoked the battery. Flash some ROMs and let the pros get that stuff worked out for you (and throw your favorite dev a few bucks to keep him interested!)
The real consequence of rooting though is the countless late nights flashing yet another new build or theme or whatever. It's kind of addicting.
First of all this is my first post. Hello to everyone. I have been searching/reading thru these forums. Great source of info.
Phone info:
Currently S-OFF, unlocked, lateset AT&T 4.4.2 firmware, viperone 6.2.1, twrp
I have a pretty good comprehension of how to install or revert pretty much anything that can be done to this phone and have done so with great success. What I don't understand is the relationship between the firmware base of an RUU and the build of any given ROM. How is it that a custom Rom based off let's say x.xx.401.x work with x.xx.502.x main version? The devs say to update to the most current available firmware. Does that mean I have to flash a firmware base that matches what the Rom base for optimal performance? Because I originally thought that was the case and when I did my phone developed syncing issues particularly with the stock mail and weather apps. They would only sync over WiFi. Everything else about the phone worked as normal. Believing there was a problem with the Rom I flashed a few different popular roms on here. Always returning to full AT&T stock first. I later fully converted to GPE and to my surprise everything worked as normal. So I then converted to stock developer edition by way of zip flash and RUU exe. (By the way, when I say stock I mean s-off & unlocked but otherwise factory.) Received all the ota's. Main version would show as x.xx.1540.x. supposedly this would make my phone a dev edition with AT&T as the provider. And yet the syncing problems returned. So once again I returned back to factory AT&T 4.4.2 and all returned to normal. I then decided to try and use a Rom based off 4.4.2 and not one from 4.4.3; expecting the syncing issues to return only this time they didn't. So now I am really confused.
My questions are:
If coming from 4.4.2 factory firmware, is it best to run a Rom from the same base or am I doing something wrong and I should be able to use a Rom from a newer base on an older firmware?
If the developer edition and GPE can be carried by AT&T then why was I having syncing issues with the developer edition and not GPE?
I thought by being s-off I should be able to flash any RUU from any carrier without problems, just that I would be limited to the network capabilities of the actual service provider.
Everything I know about this stuff I learned from this forum. But I think I missed something.
My AT&T M7 always works best on the stock software.
The only thing I could figure is that AT&T have refined the software and radio so well that all the other versions pale in comparison.
I noticed the Developers Edition always had a horrible Bluetooth and WiFi radio. Signal strength was always weak compared to the stock AT&T software.
To answer your questions
Flash any version Roms you want on the latest AT&T firmware. And you'll have the best your phone can be.
clsA said:
My AT&T M7 always works best on the stock software.
The only thing I could figure is that AT&T have refined the software and radio so well that all the other versions pale in comparison.
I noticed the Developers Edition always had a horrible Bluetooth and WiFi radio. Signal strength was always weak compared to the stock AT&T software.
To answer your questions
Flash any version Roms you want on the latest AT&T firmware. And you'll have the best your phone can be.
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I get so mixed up with all the terms being used interchangeably. So to clarify, as long as I am using the latest firmware from AT&T (currently 5.12.502.2 kk4.4.2), I can flash any custom ROM base. Whether it is based on 4.4.2 or higher. Correct?
I still want to know why I experienced the sync problems while running the factory x.xx.1540.x dev edition but not with the GPE. I never tried the factory x.xx.401.x WWE firmware either. However, I just got an sim unlock code from AT&T earlier today. I'm gonna try that maybe tomorrow and see if it makes a difference altho I don't believe it should. And I'm not gonna switch to a different provider.
Honestly, I was happy with my phone before I got wrapped up in all of this. I just decided to tinker with the phone and the mod bug has bitten.
ANGRY_robert said:
I get so mixed up with all the terms being used interchangeably. So to clarify, as long as I am using the latest firmware from AT&T (currently 5.12.502.2 kk4.4.2), I can flash any custom ROM base. Whether it is based on 4.4.2 or higher. Correct?
I still want to know why I experienced the sync problems while running the factory x.xx.1540.x dev edition but not with the GPE. I never tried the factory x.xx.401.x WWE firmware either. However, I just got an sim unlock code from AT&T earlier today. I'm gonna try that maybe tomorrow and see if it makes a difference altho I don't believe it should. And I'm not gonna switch to a different provider.
Honestly, I was happy with my phone before I got wrapped up in all of this. I just decided to tinker with the phone and the mod bug has bitten.
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I think I figured this out. I continued to flash different ROMs and firmwares with the same results as I posted in the OP. Then earlier tonight I decided to try to convert to developer edition again (x.xx.1540.x) and flashed an ruu.zip, went thru the setup process, and as before the same issues returned. Then I had an idea; lets try something I haven't done yet. I pulled the SD card and factory reset the phone. After I completed the basic setup process I inserted the SD card and let the phone do its thing. The phone now works as it should (same as it does with the AT&T xx.502.x firmware installed).
Just figured I would pass this along.
Cheers
I give up
I thought I had this figured out. Last night after to converting to dev edition with all updates, everything seemed normal. I flashed the latest viperone rom as it is the rom I want. Turn the phone on this morning and the sync problems are present once again. I have searched thru a tom of pages on this sight alone. I cant find an answer. So its back to stock at&t.
I solved the problem. Incorrect settings in 4636 menu.
I am fairly new to the whole ROM thing on this device. I have experience with older phones and am just getting back into this recently. That being said...
Current state is: Bootloader unlocked, currently running stock 4.4.4, Sense 6.0, Kernel 3.4.0-g931e842, Build 3.42.502.1 CL441323; ROM applied via RUU. (RUU_M8_[email protected]41216A_40.34.C35006.02_F_release_407726_signed_2)
Bottom line is that since I have attempted to root and flash ROMs I have had issues with making and/or receiving calls, or no SIM recognized at all, requiring S-off/firmware upgrades, etc.
I am looking for a stable build ROM which is compatible with the 4.4.4 firmware on my device which can be applied without obtaining s-off. Main goal is to be able to personalize the UI and to run a faster, debloated ROM.
Tried first using Renovate 5.0... could not receive calls on that one.
Removed. back to stock.
Next I found a Lollipop 5.0.1 ROM (HTC_One_M8_Lollipop_5.0.1LRX22C) which did not appear to require firmware updates... seemed to work great... except that I could not receive calls...
Removed... back to stock.
Next, I used ViperOneM8 and really liked it, but had to abandon once I was told by people that they were still getting sent straight to voice mail.
I did get some calls, so I tested having some people call me and it seemed fine... well turned out that during those tests I was on the 3G network... Once again, troubleshot down to the fact that anytime I was on 4G network I could not receive calls. Having had no way to change my network selection in this ROM (error was displayed when I attempted this). Contacted their support to confirm my issue. They are aware, no resolution available.
Removed... back to stock.
So my question is, are there any options OTHER THAN paying $25 to use Sunshine to get S-off, upgrade firmware? I am not a developer and I love my M8. I know there are people here who know exactly what I need and understand what I am looking for. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
GA_Android said:
Next I found a Lollipop 5.0.1 ROM (HTC_One_M8_Lollipop_5.0.1LRX22C) which did not appear to require firmware updates... seemed to work great... except that I could not receive calls...
Removed... back to stock.
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I can't tell what ROM your are talking about based on that description. Possibly GPE stock rooted?
What I can tell you, is that most any Lollipop Sense ROM will have issues when used alongside 4.4.4 firmware.
Sense 4.4.4 ROMs will play well with your firmware, as will a number of 4.4.4 and 5.0 GPE and AOSP ROMs (that specifically state they support 4.4.4 firmware). However, when it comes to AT&T, there is more at play then whether the ROM corresponds to the firmware. That other complication is that AT&T does some annoyingly unique things with their network. In the past, this has included changes to build.prop and even the signal icons, which sometimes caused "international" custom ROMs to have some issues. And now you see that their HD Voice (Voice over LTE) is messing with some custom ROMs. As the other thread you posted in mentioned "blame AT&T".
Running an AT&T base 4.4.4 ROM is your best bet for trouble-free use on AT&T's network. WNC's ROM might fit the bill for what you want (debloated) and is often where I send folks that want a bug-free experience on AT&T (while retaining some AT&T specific features). The 3.28 version ROM is what you should try: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-htc-one-m8/development/att-4-4-3-2-22-1540-3-debloated-sense-6-t2837365
There are other ROMs that might work for you. But the above is my suggestion, at least as a start.
redpoint73 said:
I can't tell what ROM your are talking about based on that description. Possibly GPE stock rooted?
What I can tell you, is that most any Lollipop Sense ROM will have issues when used alongside 4.4.4 firmware.
Sense 4.4.4 ROMs will play well with your firmware, as will a number of 4.4.4 and 5.0 GPE and AOSP ROMs (that specifically state they support 4.4.4 firmware). However, when it comes to AT&T, there is more at play then whether the ROM corresponds to the firmware. That other complication is that AT&T does some annoyingly unique things with their network. In the past, this has included changes to build.prop and even the signal icons, which sometimes caused "international" custom ROMs to have some issues. And now you see that their HD Voice (Voice over LTE) is messing with some custom ROMs. As the other thread you posted in mentioned "blame AT&T".
Running an AT&T base 4.4.4 ROM is your best bet for trouble-free use on AT&T's network. WNC's ROM might fit the bill for what you want (debloated) and is often where I send folks that want a bug-free experience on AT&T (while retaining some AT&T specific features). The 3.28 version ROM is what you should try: http://forum.xda-developers.com/att-htc-one-m8/development/att-4-4-3-2-22-1540-3-debloated-sense-6-t2837365
There are other ROMs that might work for you. But the above is my suggestion, at least as a start.
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You are correct. It is a GPE stock rooted Lollipop ROM. It works just fine as long as I have 3G selected as my network, but it is just not as much flash as I wanted.
I am going to give the one you sited here a look and maybe give it a try. I appreciate your taking the time to reply. It was helpful and informative.
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I'm in a similar quandry as the OP. I have lots of experience flashing ROMS on my older phones but trying to keep up with all the changes since getting my M8 has me confused.
Here's my current setup. I'm running Skydragon after trying the last 4.4 milestone of Liquidsmooth. I like both, but am interested in keeping up with the Lollipop guild.
I have Sunshine installed but when I ran it I found out I need to remove or disable Xposed Installer to continue. I'll deal with that by disabling it.
UPDATE: Well, that didn't work. Xposed was installed with the ROM and there's no option to uninstall it.
My biggest concern is updating the firmware. From my bootloader info, I'm assuming that I'm way behind on the latest firmware, but after reading so many threads about updating, my head is swimming.
If I need to update, I just want to make sure that I don't brick my phone.
CanuckinPA said:
I have Sunshine installed but when I ran it I found out I need to remove or disable Xposed Installer to continue. I'll deal with that by disabling it.
UPDATE: Well, that didn't work. Xposed was installed with the ROM and there's no option to uninstall it.
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Return to stock ROM and stock recovery, for optimal configuration for sunshine to work. RUU is probably the easiest way to get back to stock. Backup your personal data, than relock bootloader to run RUU.
CanuckinPA said:
My biggest concern is updating the firmware. From my bootloader info, I'm assuming that I'm way behind on the latest firmware, but after reading so many threads about updating, my head is swimming.
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Yes, based on your hboot number, your firmware is about as old as it gets (Android 4.4.2).
You can RUU to 4.4.4 firmware without s-off; and Lollipop Skydragon GPE should work fine with 4.4.4 firmware.
You can of course still s-off and update to Lollipop firmware. But you need to use some other firmware besides AT&T (such as Dev Edition, Euro, etc.), since they haven't released a Lollipop update (and therefore no firmware).
Hi All,
Had my Verizon G3 for a bit now and everything was grand.... pre-lollipop. Post-Lollipop I've been stuck with the no notifications while on WiFi bug and for someone who spends literally 98% of my time on either my home or work WiFi this has simply become untenable for me. I'd like to root and go to, preferably, a Lollipop ROM that is not plagued by the same issues, or if I have to go back to KitKat then a ROM based on that (or perhaps there is a non-rooted solution here?).
All these things said, I've done the root/custom ROM thing back in the days of my Droid Incredible and honestly found it quite off putting to have to constantly keep up to date with ROM updates / Kernel updates / Radio updates, etc. and a lot of those even requiring wiping the phone.
My question to you fine folks is, has the game changed a bit to be a bit more friendly to like a kind of all-in-one here is your ROM/everything package, install it and get going type deal? Or is that still a pipe dream?
I appreciate that there are some steps involved prior to the installing of the ROM and I'm not opposed to those at all, I'm more worried about the nightmarish endless cycle of updates that require wipes / resets / etc. in order to fix the myriad of bugs that used to pop their heads up. I simply just want a ROM to get me through the next year or so until I can move along - and *gasp* allow me to get updates while on WiFi while having the core of the phone still functional.
Perhaps my concerns are those of days past, so please forgive my ignorance.
Any info on the topic and possible ROMs to look into (I was looking at Resurrection Remix) would be much appreciated.
Thanks! :good:
scrdy said:
Hi All,
Had my Verizon G3 for a bit now and everything was grand.... pre-lollipop. Post-Lollipop I've been stuck with the no notifications while on WiFi bug and for someone who spends literally 98% of my time on either my home or work WiFi this has simply become untenable for me. I'd like to root and go to, preferably, a Lollipop ROM that is not plagued by the same issues, or if I have to go back to KitKat then a ROM based on that (or perhaps there is a non-rooted solution here?).
All these things said, I've done the root/custom ROM thing back in the days of my Droid Incredible and honestly found it quite off putting to have to constantly keep up to date with ROM updates / Kernel updates / Radio updates, etc. and a lot of those even requiring wiping the phone.
My question to you fine folks is, has the game changed a bit to be a bit more friendly to like a kind of all-in-one here is your ROM/everything package, install it and get going type deal? Or is that still a pipe dream?
I appreciate that there are some steps involved prior to the installing of the ROM and I'm not opposed to those at all, I'm more worried about the nightmarish endless cycle of updates that require wipes / resets / etc. in order to fix the myriad of bugs that used to pop their heads up. I simply just want a ROM to get me through the next year or so until I can move along - and *gasp* allow me to get updates while on WiFi while having the core of the phone still functional.
Perhaps my concerns are those of days past, so please forgive my ignorance.
Any info on the topic and possible ROMs to look into (I was looking at Resurrection Remix) would be much appreciated.
Thanks! :good:
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At this point, most any ROM you install will require updating. There are really no ROMs that are completely trouble free.
That said, running stock rooted may be your best choice. Rooting stock will allow you the option to block OTA updates. With root you will also be able to remove any pesky apps you do not require from LG.
Thanks for your insight. Perhaps I'll look at rooting and running a stock KitKat based ROM. If you could possibly point me in the direction of finding stock KitKat ROMs to flash to it would be much appreciated.
(sorry for posting in the wrong forum the first time)
Thanks
Jasmine 4.0 is a good 4.4 ROM. It can be found in the 7.0 thread. Just look in the first few posts. Sky dragon is also good.
Don't most roms have OTA's built in anymore? I had roms on my S4 and never had to worry, I would update and be fine, 0 wipes updating roms (Unless I was changing roms completely) and even then I have everything back up regularly so there is no hassle getting it all back.
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Don't most roms have OTA's built in anymore? I had roms on my S4 and never had to worry, I would update and be fine, 0 wipes updating roms (Unless I was changing roms completely) and even then I have everything back up regularly so there is no hassle getting it all back.
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I know some of the custom CM12 and CM12.1-based ROMs I've tried have a potentially working OTA method built into the ROM. For various reasons they're not all necessarily implemented just yet, though - probably because there's just too many constant updates to the source code to make OTAs realistic.
roirraW "edor" ehT said:
I know some of the custom CM12 and CM12.1-based ROMs I've tried have a potentially working OTA method built into the ROM. For various reasons they're not all necessarily implemented just yet, though - probably because there's just too many constant updates to the source code to make OTAs realistic.
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Very true. I do know though that CM does have OTAs. I think another part is that most CM 12 and 12.1 based roms don't change the source for the update. So you won't get any since it is no longer a CM rom and it isn't looking for the one you are using.
Stay off the nightly train and you won't have to update much at all. A dirty flash every couple of months, topped with some Gapps. I get notifications on wifi all the time. Only stock ROM tries to force you to update anyway.