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Hi to all,
Ever since the release of the Sensation line of devices, there have been a lot of paradigm shifts at HTC, one of which is their willingness to open up to the people who made them what they are today.... us.
With that in mind, if you had questions regarding everything that has been going on at HTC lately (online unlockers, HTCDev.com, OpenSense SDK, etc), what would you ask?
Think of questions and doubts like:
- why is the EVO 3D still S-On even after completing the unlock process?
- why are devices still locked out of the box and require the user to unlock them?
- what's the deal with unlocking and warranties?
- why is HTC slower than Revolutionary?
- what cool stuff can devs do with the new OpenSense SDK and APIs?
Quick note: development related questions are highly encouraged as well!
Please post all your questions in here. I will be making an article in the Portal with the best questions (and hopefully with answers straight from HTC!)
So, fire away.... I will only keep this thread open for about a week or so as I am also posting this in the Sensation forums. Once I gather enough material, I will send off the questions to HTC and will write an article about it shortly.
Happy asking!
egzthunder1 said:
Hi to all,
Ever since the release of the Sensation line of devices, there have been a lot of paradigm shifts at HTC, one of which is their willingness to open up to the people who made them what they are today.... us.
With that in mind, if you had questions regarding everything that has been going on at HTC lately (online unlockers, HTCDev.com, OpenSense SDK, etc), what would you ask?
Think of questions and doubts like:
- why is the EVO 3D still S-On even after completing the unlock process?
- why are devices still locked out of the box and require the user to unlock them?
- what's the deal with unlocking and warranties?
- why is HTC slower than Revolutionary?
- what cool stuff can devs do with the new OpenSense SDK and APIs?
Quick note: development related questions are highly encouraged as well!
Please post all your questions in here. I will be making an article in the Portal with the best questions (and hopefully with answers straight from HTC!)
So, fire away.... I will only keep this thread open for about a week or so as I am also posting this in the Sensation forums. Once I gather enough material, I will send off the questions to HTC and will write an article about it shortly.
Happy asking!
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I think phones will still be locked out of the box just to keep things safe from users that dont know what they are doing. I also think the reason they were slower than revolutionary is a mute point too as it doesn't matter and they likely had more indepth one and had to figure a way to track users that do so to protect themselves from having to service warranty phones b/c people borked them doing stupid stuff.
The MAIN ? That everyone should be asking is WHY the device is Still S-ON and we are NOT allowed to flash anything past a rom. NO custom kernels, no splash screens, no radios too i assume.
I actually asked this to a few HTC reps and got answers that were all over the place. One time the rep responded saying if you do their unlock method you should in fact have S-OFF. BUT that they also offer ZERO support for those unlocking so if you dont show it then they can't help. This was while I was just trying to report that it didn't show S-OFF and wanted to know if this was on purpose or a fix was coming later in an OTA or if this was staying like this.
The same rep later said that unlock process may be full or part, and that he can not tell why or if it will be full in the future.
It clearly states not all devices are supported, not that some will be half unlocked and some will be full unlocked.
He then went on to say again they can't offer any support for the unlock stuff even though that was NOT what i was trying to get at all.
so to end it HTC really needs to be hounded about this issue and needs to issue a release stating WHY the 3D is only getting partial unlock, and when they plan on fixing that. There is little point in being able to tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff.
The only reason this isn't being brought into a bigger issue is b/c most/all the devs and people that care got the phone before the OTA came out so they are clear of the issues. BUT all the others have to suffer at the moment.
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I think phones will still be locked out of the box just to keep things safe from users that dont know what they are doing. I also think the reason they were slower than revolutionary is a mute point too as it doesn't matter and they likely had more indepth one and had to figure a way to track users that do so to protect themselves from having to service warranty phones b/c people borked them doing stupid stuff.
The MAIN ? That everyone should be asking is WHY the device is Still S-ON and we are NOT allowed to flash anything past a rom. NO custom kernels, no splash screens, no radios too i assume.
I actually asked this to a few HTC reps and got answers that were all over the place. One time the rep responded saying if you do their unlock method you should in fact have S-OFF. BUT that they also offer ZERO support for those unlocking so if you dont show it then they can't help. This was while I was just trying to report that it didn't show S-OFF and wanted to know if this was on purpose or a fix was coming later in an OTA or if this was staying like this.
The same rep later said that unlock process may be full or part, and that he can not tell why or if it will be full in the future.
It clearly states not all devices are supported, not that some will be half unlocked and some will be full unlocked.
He then went on to say again they can't offer any support for the unlock stuff even though that was NOT what i was trying to get at all.
so to end it HTC really needs to be hounded about this issue and needs to issue a release stating WHY the 3D is only getting partial unlock, and when they plan on fixing that. There is little point in being able to tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff.
The only reason this isn't being brought into a bigger issue is b/c most/all the devs and people that care got the phone before the OTA came out so they are clear of the issues. BUT all the others have to suffer at the moment.
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Interesting points... however, I think you missed the objective of this thread
The questions that you answered are only examples of things to ask HTC, and are not questions from me. I am in contact with someone at HTC and they want to try and get closer to devs, which is why I am posting this here. They would like to know what are our concerns, questions, and comments regarding their doings as of recently.
I will bring your post up with them as I think it was good as well.
Thanks...
egzthunder1 said:
Interesting points... however, I think you missed the objective of this thread
The questions that you answered are only examples of things to ask HTC, and are not questions from me. I am in contact with someone at HTC and they want to try and get closer to devs, which is why I am posting this here. They would like to know what are our concerns, questions, and comments regarding their doings as of recently.
I will bring your post up with them as I think it was good as well.
Thanks...
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Yeah well then limit what I said to the S-ON point and please find out if thats going to be fixed or if its something we will have to live with in regards to the unlock method. I think its rediculous to provide a half unlock that doesn't allow flashing of custom kernels, radios, and splash screens.
the more I think about it i dont think I missed the point of your thread really though. As what I stated is a "...concern, question, and comments..." toward them.
I do think I would like some more examples laid out for opensense and things it opens up like you stated originally.
Also would be nice to have a forum on their developer portion of their site where devs could get with HTC devs/tech support/ along with other sense devs and run things by them in there that are specifically geared toward the things on the dev site.
So if they wish to get closer to the Devs, Then how about this....
When they do a OTA like they did when they went from 2.3.3 to 2.3.4 and changed the kernel why do they not also at the same time release that new kernel/source to the Dev community instead of sitting on it or never releasing it? It would seem as if they truely want to get close to the Dev community they should reach out and participate..
And I to would like to know WHY there is NO S-Off?
Like what Sgt. said....having it unlocked with no S-off makes no sense. Cause you cant tweak the rom if you can't do kernel and the lower level stuff. (and no kernel source)
I think if HTC works with the Dev community as you say they want to... Then they might be able to help reduce those warranty issues by doing so..
So my questions are Why no S-off?
If doing S-Off WHEN?
Why do you get multiple answers depending on who you talk to about this stuff at HTC?
Shouldnt all the Tech help have the same info?
How about releasing Kernel and such when an OTA is done so Dev's can use it? It might just save alot of issues/warranty as well...
Maybe im way off base and im fairly new here but.. Those be my questions.
Why did they release the incomplete source for their kernels?
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Why did they release the incomplete source for their kernels?
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This +1
And I want to know if they will release the kernel sources in a better timeframe than they have been doing?
I also want to know how we can participate with getting HTCSense.com out of beta?
LG is about to release an update that will convert 2D Games to 3D in their 3D phone (optimus 3d), are you going to do this for us too?
What about more 3D content in your Watch app? (The movies one, so far only the green hornet), in short, more 3D content for us!
I would like to ask them why I can't ever hear my speaker... at all. It's so quiet that I can have it all the way up and if there is any background noise I have to put the phone up to my ear to see if it's playing. My ears aren't at fault either because I have much better hearing than just about everyone I know.
Also, why do they refuse to release their source code in a timely manner and when are they going to rectify that?
I think the biggest problem we now have with HTC is a lack of trust . I would tell your friend and HTC to tell the PR people not to post or promise anything at all until your 100% it will be delivered on time. Also we need transparency.... Saying you'll unlock the bootloader is taken to mean the whole things not part. Explain things better and then explain why. Also as part of AOSP release the WORKING source BEFORE the update hits OTA. LG is a shinning example of this...
Thank you all for your questions. I believe I have what I need for the time being. I will submit the questions to HTC and will post an article in the Portal as soon as they are answered. Thank you all again for your time
I will reopen this thread soon.
I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
Dude what the... we have root, can unlock the bootloader on the first day of the device how much easier and open can you get? I'm guessing you have never owned a Motorola phone before as u will then know the meaning of "locked tight".
Clockworkmod is coming like everything else, if you want to speed up the process you should help out perhaps, we can never have too many modders, rom makers, tweakers etc.
-smc
I've owned two motorola phones, and from what I see they did not have the bootloader not accepting unsigned software, even if locked. This make big difference as for now only official firmware are loadable and without a Sony change the situation remain without solutions.
...Okay
The phone has been out less than a month, and it's not even out globally yet (see the gigantic India thread, and others floating around at the moment, it's only available via import in a lot of locations)
Another thing...it is all being worked on at the moment. You want a custom firmware? be patient. There can't be any custom kernels yet because there is a bug in the bootloader at the moment (or something, I won't pretend to know how that works as i'm not a developer) that's keeping Doom and other developers from moving further with the development. Doom also doesn't own the S yet, so he can only do soo much at the moment.
There is already Mods available, but there isn't any modified firmwares out yet, because no one is making any, which I don't blame them because ICS is on its way. You can do it all yourself (read themes and apps section, maybe learn a bit about how to modify phone?), and until the bootloader thing is fixed, thats the best thing to do really.
There's no way to root without unlocking the bootloader -yet-.
It has been adressed many times, that there may be one in the future, but unlocking the bootloader is the current solution, and it works just fine. Also, keeping your bootloader locked (and it can even be relocked) limits your phone anyways. Unlocking your bootloader doesn't void your warranty, it just may if you do something stupid (read overlocking and frying phone) they may or may not (if they even see that you broke your phone by your own doing) fix it under warranty.
Also, if you havent noticed...there isn't a lot of developers on the Xperia S train yet, it all takes time.
olaf63 said:
I want to make this provocatoty question because after more than one month our XPS is the most locked phone here in XDA.
The fact is that we can only swap original firmwares, there is no way to root the phone in an easy way, without unlocking bootloader, and there is no recovery available.
I'm new in a similar situation after many smartphones owned; yes, the software is not bad, nor has big issues, but the plus of Android is also the openess...
What do you think?
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Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
Nope, If you read relating posts, there is no way to make roms as in other phones, due to the bootloader bug, that is related to Sony not to developers.
NightSky256 said:
Are you blind or what ? there is root, unlocking bootloader is offered DIRECTLY by SONY, so no need to hack...
Sony has released sources for almost anything on this phone, so if you're able to you can edit and rebuild...
there is also a modded kernel...
what you want more ?
if you want you can download sources, and start to learn how to build the kernel... there are guides on the sony developer site.
it's not easy to find something to mod, when everythinq works VERY GOOD with stock... but if there are requests... we can start to mod...
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Please be polite, and read problems involved in development. Doom has locked his thread until there are news from Sony.
So OP's suggested solution for all these difficulties is just close the development section, then everything else will automatically be solved without anyone working, testing and exchanging ideas on it? Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
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Although there is a bug in the bootloader I see no reason to close the whole thread .
There are other things that can be worked on and at the moment. It's a good place to get Stock Firmware that can be flashed . Always good to have a heavy variety of Stock ROMs to fall back too.
As stock firmwares are developed hopefully the bug will be fixed and Devs will be able to continue.
kenan3cn said:
Kudos to OP!
Actually I smell troll here.
Sent from my LT26i using xda premium
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It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
Is there any way I can unlock it using a Mac? Didn't find anything to do it yet, but maybe I am blind
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They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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olaf63 said:
It was a provocatory post to show difficulties in developing software. If you look at the section it seems really abandoned.
If that's trolling, I submit to moderators judgement, and accept their decisions.
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Yeah, I agree, the section with the second highest posts is totally abandoned...
...If we follow this guideline, I think we should close the Accessories section, due to lack of gadgets to go with our phones! (can you see the sarcasm?)
Really, just be patient, it's a new phone, stop whining, or how you say "being provocative".
Edit: Okay sorry, maybe that was a bit harsh...but really, I feel you don't really have the right to judge the speed of fixes and developments when you aren't doing it yourself. The best thing you can do is deal with it for now. They are doing what they can.
poo-tang said:
They are already working on cyanogen roms at mo for S. And the free xperia team have spoke to Sony and there will be a bootloader fix in a new fw soon. As people say we have a very new device. Good things come to those who wait
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Good news, thanks
Hello Xda,
I'm a new owner of a european XT910.
Former owner of a Nexus S.
What's with these Motorolas ? Everything seems very confusing...
1.Locked bootloader...
2.Specific fastboot needed to flash specific roms ?
3.What about recovery mode ? Backup's not working, storage mounting not working..
I will soon post a screenshot of my system's info.
I really think there should be a FAQ thread discussing all matters from CDMA-GSM differences, to different fastboots the phones are shipped with and how to get started on software modification on these babies.
Surely that's a noobie question but if the noobs can't have it, then the world can't have it.
Millions are in the forum but few are willing to get further in developing.
Lets help someone (like me) who wants to understand the pyramid of modding and developing on this phone e.g.
Hi new guy. It's very simple. All of the information can be found on the forums, as well as using google. If you can't be bothered to do a simple search, or read through stuff, then don't root your phone.
Surely that's a noobie question but if the noobs can't have it, then the world can't have it.
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And besides, noobs can have the phone. Just don't root your phone, and come crying in the forums when something goes wrong, cause you don't bother reading up beforehand.
SoulStripper66 said:
Hello Xda,
I'm a new owner of a european XT910.
Former owner of a Nexus S.
What's with these Motorolas ? Everything seems very confusing...
1.Locked bootloader...
2.Specific fastboot needed to flash specific roms ?
3.What about recovery mode ? Backup's not working, storage mounting not working..
I will soon post a screenshot of my system's info.
I really think there should be a FAQ thread discussing all matters from CDMA-GSM differences, to different fastboots the phones are shipped with and how to get started on software modification on these babies.
Surely that's a noobie question but if the noobs can't have it, then the world can't have it.
Millions are in the forum but few are willing to get further in developing.
Lets help someone (like me) who wants to understand the pyramid of modding and developing on this phone e.g.
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Sounds like it would have made more sense to get answers to those questions prior to your purchase.
Great phone, locked down.
Welcome to the forums!
As i already stated, the droid razr is a great phone but is locked down with motos iron fist.
I purchased at launch in canada and was happy... was happy. Untill i started to see the news of the locked bootloader and other issues. Ive been a fan of moto phones since my first v3x and was pleasntly surprised to see an update to the line.
Like was said earlier, its been 6 months since launch and you probably should have done the research, but not everyone has the insight to do deep research about their next phone beyond the physical specs.
That said, moto has locked this thing down and unless you really need more than root its a whole different horse to ride when compared to others like htc, lg and samsung.
Moto basically marketed this thing as a business phone for the fashion crowd. And it is. A slim and fast, solidly built android powered guchi handbag. Not much more.
This is a disappointment. And one we are going to have to live with or find a device that's more friendly to the feint of heart.
Eun-Hjzjined said:
Welcome to the forums!
As i already stated, the droid razr is a great phone but is locked down with motos iron fist.
I purchased at launch in canada and was happy... was happy. Untill i started to see the news of the locked bootloader and other issues. Ive been a fan of moto phones since my first v3x and was pleasntly surprised to see an update to the line.
Like was said earlier, its been 6 months since launch and you probably should have done the research, but not everyone has the insight to do deep research about their next phone beyond the physical specs.
That said, moto has locked this thing down and unless you really need more than root its a whole different horse to ride when compared to others like htc, lg and samsung.
Moto basically marketed this thing as a business phone for the fashion crowd. And it is. A slim and fast, solidly built android powered guchi handbag. Not much more.
This is a disappointment. And one we are going to have to live with or find a device that's more friendly to the feint of heart.
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Now that I disagree with. A locked bootloader is undesirable, admittedly, but there's still tons of things you can do with the Razr. Custom ROMs? Check. Custom governor? Check. Custom I/O scheduler? Check. Overclock/underclock/undervolt? Check. I have all the above on my Razr. (Except for the governor, doesn't seem to work on Gummy)
Don't get me wrong. I wish Moto would unlock our bootloaders as well, but ultimately, what we are suffering from is a lack of developers. Kholk, kejar, J.Y.Daddy are doing their best, but how many things can they push out? Especially since the Razr isn't their dedicated phone.
The Razr is a good phone, don't let one single locked bootloader ruin the whole package. Although honestly, given the chance to change phones, I would (who wouldn't want the HTC One X?). But really, there are tons of things you can do with your phone as it is.
Most people here misunderstood me.
Asking nooby questions does not make one a noob.
I've been a computer programmer for years and I would like to contribute in the RAZR development, though I do not know how to start cause I was only mid-to-advanced user of mobile phones.
All I needed is someone to show me the way on this motorola. I'm not trying to make myself tiring to you though most people here should learn to show some respect and not snub people who ask.
As for "Searching" the forums, since the RAZR development is going slow, forum threads are also cruising at a low speed. So do not blame me for asking something that is not very clear to most "common" RAZR users and owners.
Friendly as hell.
Spectral1991 said:
Now that I disagree with. A locked bootloader is undesirable, admittedly, but there's still tons of things you can do with the Razr. Custom ROMs? Check. Custom governor? Check. Custom I/O scheduler? Check. Overclock/underclock/undervolt? Check. I have all the above on my Razr. (Except for the governor, doesn't seem to work on Gummy)
Don't get me wrong. I wish Moto would unlock our bootloaders as well, but ultimately, what we are suffering from is a lack of developers. Kholk, kejar, J.Y.Daddy are doing their best, but how many things can they push out? Especially since the Razr isn't their dedicated phone.
The Razr is a good phone, don't let one single locked bootloader ruin the whole package. Although honestly, given the chance to change phones, I would (who wouldn't want the HTC One X?). But really, there are tons of things you can do with your phone as it is.
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Spectral thanks for joining this conversation. I've done a lot of research and already know that custom roms, governors and over/underclocking is possible.
Though it seems that device software differs from one phone to the other and I can't make up the differences. Maybe someone should start a thread regarding different Fastboots and to which devices they are installed to for example.
hi OP,
have u seen the Development forum? not the General forum.
there are tons of info to answer ur questions (sorry im not as capable) there. so u dont even need to search. just see the titles.
good luck.
I've read countless forums on the rooting and roms and kernels and I have the most basic grasp of what each do. It seems that every time I read an article or forum post at some point something is mentioned that is over my head or that I don't fully grasp. I would love to not brick my phone. I need someone to explain my options and what I can do like I'm 5. What is Odex or Deodex? HOW do I find roms and kernels that work for my phone. What is clockworkmod and ADB? And what can I do to make sure I don't completely brick my phone.
I currently have an AT&T S4 that I rooted with Casual. Through casual it also loaded TWRP. I made a backup of everything it would let me check. I need to get a kernel onto this phone that will allow me to run Call Recorder "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441643"
I am required to have a call recording feature on my cell phone or I'm tied to a landline for work. I had a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket that this program worked perfectly on.
I would like to for the most part keep the phone looking stock. Although I'm not sure what features I could add by going with a different rom.
I'm sorry for the noob questions.
There is a 1% chance of your device bricking if you follow all the correct root steps. Clockworkmod is like twrp. It is a custom recovery to let you put custom Roms on. ADB is the android device bridge. It let's you control your android from Ubuntu command prompt. Hope this helped
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No offense meant, I honestly can't suggest you Root or ROM your phone if you can't follow the root procedure without getting confused. If you don't understand the basics how are you going to take care of issues that will inevitably come up? Desperately asking for help when your phone is looping isn't a good answer.
ADB
Odex and Deodex
ATT galaxy s4 forums, kernels are under Original Development
TWRP and CWM are just different types of recoveries. I don't like CWM because the wipe options aren't all in one menu which is bothersome. But both work well. I suggest TWRP to all my friends to limit the amount of "my phone won't boot" phone calls I get.
And the only way to ensure you don't mess up your phone is by not messing with it at all.
Mebct76 said:
I've read countless forums on the rooting and roms and kernels and I have the most basic grasp of what each do. It seems that every time I read an article or forum post at some point something is mentioned that is over my head or that I don't fully grasp. I would love to not brick my phone. I need someone to explain my options and what I can do like I'm 5. What is Odex or Deodex? HOW do I find roms and kernels that work for my phone. What is clockworkmod and ADB? And what can I do to make sure I don't completely brick my phone.
I currently have an AT&T S4 that I rooted with Casual. Through casual it also loaded TWRP. I made a backup of everything it would let me check. I need to get a kernel onto this phone that will allow me to run Call Recorder "http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1441643"
I am required to have a call recording feature on my cell phone or I'm tied to a landline for work. I had a Galaxy S2 Skyrocket that this program worked perfectly on.
I would like to for the most part keep the phone looking stock. Although I'm not sure what features I could add by going with a different rom.
I'm sorry for the noob questions.
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Every last one of those questions can and would be answered through very few Google searches. Hell, searching this site will return a lot of the same results. There's even an XDA Wiki for such FAQ. And why are you posting in Verizon if you have AT&T and there's and AT&T section for the S4? Just sayin'
Wrong forum
I would also like to suggest you make sure to post in the correct forum for your device to ensure any answers you get are applicable to what you're using. The OP indicates you have an AT&T S4, yet you posted in the Verizon forum. Should you ever have an issue with your device and need further assistance, getting responses specific to the Verizon device versus your actual device could cause further problems for you.
EDIT: Didn't see Delakit's response before posting mine
Delakit said:
Every last one of those questions can and would be answered through very few Google searches. Hell, searching this site will return a lot of the same results. There's even an XDA Wiki for such FAQ. And why are you posting in Verizon if you have AT&T and there's and AT&T section for the S4? Just sayin'
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Yeah I just noticed it was in the Verizon section. My bad. It appears I wasn't paying close enough attention when I posted that.
Dubbsy said:
No offense meant, I honestly can't suggest you Root or ROM your phone if you can't follow the root procedure without getting confused. If you don't understand the basics how are you going to take care of issues that will inevitably come up? Desperately asking for help when your phone is looping isn't a good answer.
ADB
Odex and Deodex
ATT galaxy s4 forums, kernels are under Original Development
TWRP and CWM are just different types of recoveries. I don't like CWM because the wipe options aren't all in one menu which is bothersome. But both work well. I suggest TWRP to all my friends to limit the amount of "my phone won't boot" phone calls I get.
And the only way to ensure you don't mess up your phone is by not messing with it at all.
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I can follow the root procedure just fine and have rooted my phone. How can I learn if I just sit back and say "well guess I can't do it". Your right there are going to be the inevitable issues. The only way to ensure that I never learn this stuff is to not mess with it. I'm fully aware of the risks and potential rewards of this. But I'd like to figure it out. It is probably difficult for the senior guys such as yourself to remember what it was like first starting out. You've got multiple devices with multiple influences on the current setup of the phone at stock and because of the multiple hands in the making of each phone you have different rules and procedures for each one. The sprint S4 is different from the AT&T s4 which is different from the T-mobile S4. So following a guide doesn't always help if you don't completely understand the terminology. Can I use a mod kernel on a stock rom? From what i've read, yes but if it is AT&T it must be loki'd, ok What does loki do, why does it need to be loki'd, can I loki any S4 designed kernel, and HOW do i Loki something. I have yet to find something that answers all of those. Would you like to try? Maybe someone has answered them and I just can't find it.
Also, it appears I posted this in the Verizon forum instead of the AT&T forum. It was late and I wasn't paying that close of attention. My apologies.
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I would also like to suggest you make sure to post in the correct forum for your device to ensure any answers you get are applicable to what you're using. The OP indicates you have an AT&T S4, yet you posted in the Verizon forum. Should you ever have an issue with your device and need further assistance, getting responses specific to the Verizon device versus your actual device could cause further problems for you.
EDIT: Didn't see Delakit's response before posting mine
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Thanks...I wasn't paying close enough attention when I posted that.
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I can follow the root procedure just fine and have rooted my phone. How can I learn if I just sit back and say "well guess I can't do it". Your right there are going to be the inevitable issues. The only way to ensure that I never learn this stuff is to not mess with it. I'm fully aware of the risks and potential rewards of this. But I'd like to figure it out. It is probably difficult for the senior guys such as yourself to remember what it was like first starting out. You've got multiple devices with multiple influences on the current setup of the phone at stock and because of the multiple hands in the making of each phone you have different rules and procedures for each one. The sprint S4 is different from the AT&T s4 which is different from the T-mobile S4. So following a guide doesn't always help if you don't completely understand the terminology. Can I use a mod kernel on a stock rom? From what i've read, yes but if it is AT&T it must be loki'd, ok What does loki do, why does it need to be loki'd, can I loki any S4 designed kernel, and HOW do i Loki something. I have yet to find something that answers all of those. Would you like to try? Maybe someone has answered them and I just can't find it.
Also, it appears I posted this in the Verizon forum instead of the AT&T forum. It was late and I wasn't paying that close of attention. My apologies.
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Holy crap, hyper questions. Let me try to tackle them.
I remember what is was like. As weird as it sounds, I've never been hesitant about breaking my phone even when it was my only device. But everyone is different. I have learned the most when I've made my device unusable for a few days. Everyone learns and functions differently though. In Psychology they call it the Theory of Multiple Intelligences. Some people are brilliant but can't visualize anything. Some are brilliant and can't take tests. I could go on and rant about our school's piss poor management of teaching children correctly according to their "intelligences" but I'll just stop there.
GSM is different than the CDMA versions because the radios are looking for entirely different signals. Srint, USC, Metro, and Verizon all being CDMA. Radios are the biggest pain when trying to port IMO.
Loki is an exploit to work around the locked bootloaders of ATT and VZW. There is a thread somewhere on exactly how it works. But there are also loki patches posted and the better recoveries all automatically loki patch boot.img's for you.
Almost every gs4 version has their own versions of each kernel built off of the aboot and boot images of the stock files. For instance ktoonsez has a kernel available for all the carriers and one for touchwiz and one for aosp. If you are running stock you would simply flash his kernel for TW and it would install just fine on the stock ROM without you knowing anything about loki or how it works.
To be honest, I don't know enough about the actual vulnerabilities and exploits to FULLY understand loki. But I don't need to. It works. I plan to learn more about root vulnerabilities later. But I can only work on so much at once.
You can flash other carrier's kernels, but I wouldn't recommend it if there are kernels that suit your need for your carrier. I say this because I did loki the 4.3 kernel designed for the 9505 and got it working on my vzw gs4. BUT things may be broken or not fully working due to the differences in the kernels themselves. If you don't want to tear into things, it's best to just run the one for your phone.
I think I got it all. Maybe not though.
The best way to learn is with a nexus device. You can't brick that thing if you tried, and even if you were trying, you'd have to know what you were doing to brick it.
I mean, as long as you have the money to replace your phone, and don't mind not having an operational phone, dive right in. I've gone a weekend without a phone, stayed up til 2am trying to fix my phone when I had to be at work at 6:30, but I like to tinker with stuff and I'm fine with that.
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Yeah I've bricked my gnex before and I learned a lot from it. There is almost always a way to fix a bricked phone whether its Odin or somehow flashing a new ROM. And like what was said before there is only a 1% chance you'll actually brick your phone. A lot of people think they are bricked when it is only a soft brick instead.
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Hello,
I would like to hear your opinion on those two devices
LG V30 and Galaxy S8 Active.
Seems like it boils down to
V30 has good sound with appropriate speakers/headphones.
vs
S8active is rugged with bigger battery, couple hundreds less in price, and has a way to unlock their bootloader.
Did I miss anything else? What negatives would be in each model? How is development picking up for each of them?
I still use Nexus 5 with custom ROM (pureNexus) , mostly staying offline, so no real exposure to newer features.
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S8active is rugged with bigger battery, couple hundreds less in price, and has a way to unlock their bootloader.
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V30 also has bootloader unlock, root and ROMs. You left that out. I have one in my hand right now. As we knew since last September, you just have to buy the right variants. Same as with the LG G6.
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How is development picking up for each of them?
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You are POSTING in the XDA V30 forum and asking about development of the V30? Scroll down to the Development section and take a look. Don't be lazy. We have TWRP, ROMs, root, kernels. What else is there? Yes, they are mostly all stock based ROMs, since LOS isn't fully developed yet but it's a work in progress.
LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development
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V30 also has bootloader unlock, root and ROMs. You left that out. I have one in my hand right now. As we knew since last September, you just have to buy the right variants. Same as with the LG G6.
You are POSTING in the XDA V30 forum and asking about development of the V30? Scroll down to the Development section and take a look. Don't be lazy. We have TWRP, ROMs, root, kernels. What else is there? Yes, they are mostly all stock based ROMs, since LOS isn't fully developed yet but it's a work in progress.
LG V30 ROMs, Kernels, Recoveries, & Other Development
https://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v30/development
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Seems this link https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/development/root-partcyborgrom-galaxy-s8-active-t3747788 has bootloader unlock procedure.
Now, I am monitoring activity on V30 on daily basis, and paying attention to the dev thread since the beginning.
I am well aware of your sincere love and pride of the V30, and I don't want to step on your toes.
Sorry if I irritated you.
But initial happy predictions did not go through, on LGUS988 you have to obtain unlock permission through the url modification, not that is openly listed.
Then availability of V30 is so so,
V30+ seems to be locked forever,
Artificial bands locking, depending on a ROM ...
That's just not clear that LG wants community in their development.
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Seems this link https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s8/development/root-partcyborgrom-galaxy-s8-active-t3747788 has bootloader unlock procedure.
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I really don't care if Galaxy S8 active has some (unauthorized) boot unlock procedure. As I pointed out, so does some V30 (some "authorized" by LG, some semi-authorized -- the IMEI for the US998 is in the LG website database, LG put it there but never made an announcement) -- and those three variants (H930, H930DS, open market US998 V30) all have root, TWRP, ROMs.
In my view only the new 2018 Galaxy S9/S9+ really compete with the V30, and I would still like the V30, due to the "just right" size in between those two other phones.
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Now, I am monitoring activity on V30 on daily basis, and paying attention to the dev thread since the beginning.
I am well aware of your sincere love and pride of the V30, and I don't want to step on your toes.
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Your can't have it both ways, saying you're clueless about V30 dev work and then saying you've been monitoring it daily since the beginning? You either already know or you don't. Which is it?
Maybe there's something I'm misunderstanding.
I only told you to look in the development section for dev work -- since you're already here posting in this V30 forum -- and that's still the best answer.
Let me rephrase myself, what are the future of V30 development in terms of getting something like Google edition ROM, or Lineage? or let's say a near stock ROM that enables all the GSM bands with VoIP hooks for each carrier (how it's done in Pixels), we are talking about carrier unlocked phone aren't we?
Would Oreo brings that functionality to V30? that's a big question
Would you expect developers already dive in on such features if sources are available? That would be a reasonable expectation...
Right now there is some activity in tweaking stock ROM, some activity around sound system and some visual themes, that's about it.
There is more activity on development, in telegram channels, on a personal levels, more then I possibly could trace, this why i asked a question about development and it's fate.
Aesthetically wise, I am with you and definitely prefer V30.