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Really looking for a good decently large android tablet. I like vanilla android a lot and specs seem really good for the Nexus 9. Looking at the reviews though it doesn't look so great (bad volume and power buttons, light leaks in the screen, lagging applications, etc.). For those of you that own it what do you think, would you recommend it?
I love my Nexus 9 and would strongly recommend it. I've had zero issues with it.
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I love my Nexus 9 and would strongly recommend it. I've had zero issues with it.
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I love it too! Just got it yesterday and have zero issues. Love how fast it is. Total bliss.
primary question, what will you primarily use it for, media, web, reading, gaming (high end or low end) .
I personally use mine as a jack of all trades with very little gaming. ( my wife on the other hand would need the nvidia shield for her gaming obsession )
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love my nexus 9
I've had almost every tablet out there. I have a habit of buying them as they are released and I have to say that this one is my favorite. The combo of lollipop and the tablet makes it feel like it's completely unique. Fast as hell, beautiful and it feels good as an ereader / comic reader without being too big.
Love this tablet.
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No.
di11igaf said:
No.
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Why?
USBhost said:
Why?
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For ME, I don't want to be aggravated or pissed when using a tablet, which is exactly what the nexus 9 does. I've owned about every nexus device ever made, and this one is the worst (and best) user experience all in one. Mainly-
1) screen flicker. Every day. Always comes back after a reboot.
2) lag. I've had single core devices lag less than this thing. Literally. I know why its its lagging, and right now its unfixable.
3) after using a nexus 6 today, I am absolutely 100% convinced the n9 should have had 3 gigs of ram. This is the worst as this is something that wont be fixed until the NEXT nexus tablet comes out. The nexus 6 in a 24 hour period didn't hit low or critical ram states at all. Not one second. The 9 lives in these states. I had 5 chrome tabs open on the n6, while switching back and forth between all kinds of **** including games, and a page NEVER refreshed. It was wonderful, and made me realize the main thing I use the n9 for completely SUCKS compared to a phone. If anything, a tablet should be better at these things, not worse.
4) screen flicker
5 lag.
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Really looking for a good decently large android tablet. I like vanilla android a lot and specs seem really good for the Nexus 9. Looking at the reviews though it doesn't look so great (bad volume and power buttons, light leaks in the screen, lagging applications, etc.). For those of you that own it what do you think, would you recommend it?
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I do recommend it but wait another month so you'd have a better chance of getting the newer revision which seem to have less issues with the buttons and lightbleed.
di11igaf said:
For ME, I don't want to be aggravated or pissed when using a tablet, which is exactly what the nexus 9 does. I've owned about every nexus device ever made, and this one is the worst (and best) user experience all in one. Mainly-
1) screen flicker. Every day. Always comes back after a reboot.
2) lag. I've had single core devices lag less than this thing. Literally. I know why its its lagging, and right now its unfixable.
3) after using a nexus 6 today, I am absolutely 100% convinced the n9 should have had 3 gigs of ram. This is the worst as this is something that wont be fixed until the NEXT nexus tablet comes out. The nexus 6 in a 24 hour period didn't hit low or critical ram states at all. Not one second. The 9 lives in these states. I had 5 chrome tabs open on the n6, while switching back and forth between all kinds of **** including games, and a page NEVER refreshed. It was wonderful, and made me realize the main thing I use the n9 for completely SUCKS compared to a phone. If anything, a tablet should be better at these things, not worse.
4) screen flicker
5 lag.
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What do you do to get lag??
I get no lag here
I bet you will say because it only has 2g of ram
Thats why it lags
I say no thats not it
Like you said you multi task a lot
And thats has to be the only way to get lag.
True 2g of ram is small
And true it should have had 3 or even 4g of ram
I agree on you on that
i even have some screen flicker too but it is rare
Even on 1 brightness
But you say that you get lag on everything
Man i just cant believe it i cant
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What do you do to get lag??
I get no lag here
I bet you will say because it only has 2g of ram
Thats why it lags
I say no thats not it
Like you said you multi task a lot
And thats has to be the only way to get lag.
True 2g of ram is small
And true it should have had 3 or even 4g of ram
I agree on you on that
i even have some screen flicker too but it is rare
Even on 1 brightness
But you say that you get lag on everything
Man i just cant believe it i cant
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I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
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I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
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O ok ty for verifying
Also how do you get to that screen
Edit: found it
di11igaf said:
I don't get lag on everything. That's not what I'm saying, and which is why I also say its the best and worst experience on a tablet.
I don't really multitask a lot, no more than average I'd say. I literally use this tablet for a few things, web browsing, youtube, very light gaming. My multitasking involves switching between youtube and chrome, and rarely a light game.
What I am saying though is it does lag MORE than most devices I have. After a fresh reboot, even in safe mode so there is 0 third party apps running after a while this tablet gets hit with serious bouts of massive lag and stutter. I've always heard about android lag, blah blah, and always basically thought people were full of **** or being too picky because really I've never had a device that lagged or whatever. Ya an occasional hiccup with previous devices, but rarely and never too bad. Not with the 9. Its consistent after a few hours use..
Maybe since you are actively developing, you're rebooting often. When I was compiling kernels and aosp builds, I flashed multiple times a day, which I'm assuming you may be as well as fast as you're kernel is being updated. Chances are if you don't have these bouts of lag, that's why. Like you said you can't believe my device lags a lot, I can't believe the opposite. If after a few hours my tablet is starting to lag while in safe mode, I find it VERY hard to believe most people aren't seeing ANY lag. Maybe what I'm considering lag you aren't. I'm calling lag ui choppiness/stutters/unresponsive for multiple seconds after pressing something.
I know lag is not hardware- Denver seems to be beastly. Software?- parts maybe, but lollipop does not have these 'lag' periods on my nexus 4, nexus 5, or either of my two nexus 7 2013's. I personally don't think its a coincidence that my nexus 9 is the only one that spends its time in low and critical memory, and its the only one to lag. Add to that it ONLY seems to lag bad while in these states. With all this said, what else is causing lag? Especially when it happens in safe mode- so third party apps are out of the question they are not the main cause. Something causes this lag, maybe its not lack of ram, but it sure seems that way so far- if memory leaks were fixed , maybe this will become a non issue. System ui and android system shouldn't be consuming 300mb a piece, which is what they will swell to after a few days.
On top of this, there is a reason google is using zram on this device and no other nexus, and its not because they're are testing it out or whatever else I've heard. They knew 2 gigs probably wasn't quite enough. Why else would they do this?
I just took this screen shot- this is actually better than usual. I'm curious if you don't have lag what this screen looks like for you, set to 24 hour period?
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Do you think this is fixable at all in updates, if so, why/how?
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Do you think this is fixable at all in updates, if so, why/how?
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I hope so. I do like everything about it, besides said issues. Form factor, performance is good and smooth as butter a lot of the time, but when its bad its really bad IMO. It seems like there are big memory leaks with lollipop in general, and they seem to be worse on the nexus 9. Hopefully if they are fixed it will help with my(and other people's) issues.
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If you must have a pure android experience. Then it's a no Brainer. This is the tablet for you. And it's future proof.. meaning that the 64 bit processor is going to kick the **** out of the competition (once app developers take advantage of it ).
The galaxy tab series is also really good. But unfortunately. it has touchwiz. but that can be corrected with a custom ROM.
So far I'm pleased with my nexus 9.
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Hello
I'm thinking of getting the Nexus 9 as well. Plus, it's going to be my first tablet ever. Because of the prices I can only afford the 16GB model (white). Do you think this will be enough space? I know after the first use of the tablet there are only ~ 9GB left, but I think of only using it for creating and editing documents, watching movies (not that much), surfing, ... just basic stuff.
To "upgrade" the storage I read that the Nexus 9 is supporting USB OTG so in case I run out of space, I can simply plug in a stick for additional space, can't I?
Is there anything I have to look for before purchasing? I'll try out the tablet in a local electronic store, I'm aware of light bleeding and the problems of the back of the tablet. But is there anything more?
It would be nice if you can tell me something about your experiences!
Thanks in advance
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Hello
I'm thinking of getting the Nexus 9 as well. Plus, it's going to be my first tablet ever. Because of the prices I can only afford the 16GB model (white). Do you think this will be enough space? I know after the first use of the tablet there are only ~ 9GB left, but I think of only using it for creating and editing documents, watching movies (not that much), surfing, ... just basic stuff.
To "upgrade" the storage I read that the Nexus 9 is supporting USB OTG so in case I run out of space, I can simply plug in a stick for additional space, can't I?
Is there anything I have to look for before purchasing? I'll try out the tablet in a local electronic store, I'm aware of light bleeding and the problems of the back of the tablet. But is there anything more?
It would be nice if you can tell me something about your experiences!
Thanks in advance
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It will have 11.5 free for the 16gb one
Otg is fine and awesome
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It will have 11.5 free for the 16gb one
Otg is fine and awesome
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That sounds great so far!
I read that there are 11,5GB free but only ~ 9GB "for use". Can you confirm that? But anyways, I'm not going to use it for huge amounts of music and pictures so I guess (and hope, haha ) that it'll be enough space available.
A lot of complaints of lag and freezing seem to be due to not enough random access memory. Shame that a nicely built tablet with great specs (Qi charging, 64-bit processor, vanilla Android) would be useless to many because of this issue.
I got one for $133 new from the Dell outlet with a sweet case for $15 both in red and gave it to Mom for Christmas, knowing that for her use it would be acceptable.
Here's what I found and how I've gotten the tablet to work great and have none of the issues.
1. Stick with the stock KK launcher. Forget Google Now or Nova as these use up too much memory.
2. The stock browser seems to work the best. Dolphin, Boat and others have been reported to be problem free too. Chrome is a no go.
3. Under Developer options shut off the animations as well as limit the background processes.
4. Disable anything you'll never use, and only install the apps needed.
5. Under "Google" account and "search" make sure Google Now is off.
These things may be self evident to some, but you will notice a night and day difference in the way this particular tablet operates if you stick to those things. At $130 it can't be beat.
Apologies for responding to my own post, just wanted to update, apparently Dell pushed out a OTA update recently that updated the kernel and the thing is much improved if not downright zippy now. Still would stick with my suggestions as I've noticed while Chrome may be somewhat usable it will still freeze.
Thanks for the tips. Despite the horrible reviews, I just ordered one from Amazon Warehouse for $75 Very Good condition. At that price, it is worth taking the plunge.
Use the stock browser keep off any RAM hogging apps and you'll like it. For $168 total I got a red one , the official red case and the dell wireless charger. Can't beat that price. It particularly excels as a movie watching device for travel. Good size and format, great battery life and storage with an optional SD card, and a 1080p screen. Seems to handle video playback really well too, stutter free.
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We're taking it on the plane for movies in 3 weeks, so that'll be perfect. Have you tried rooting and Greenify app? That could further help keep the background processes in check. I have a 1st gen; wife will get the 2nd gen, but if I like it enough, I might get another one for myself.
No I haven't mainly because of the amount of bricks being reported. Too much headache and since its my mothers there's no point. Lol. You'll love it for watching movies I swear they look better than on my Nexus 9. Maybe that Intel video enhancer or whatever its got really works well. The speakers are loud and sound great too.
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So I've had the tablet for a week now. The amount of bloatware pre-installed was insane. I was surprised since the 1st gen 3830 came with almost zero. After disabling all bloatware and all google apps, disabling animations, disable sync, disable backup & restore, it's running fairly well. Chrome browser is definitely not happening. Stock browser is good, but opening multiple tabs is still guaranteed to make the tablet lag.
All in all, this is a great tablet for someone who only does one thing at a time (No multiple browser tabs and switching back and forth between apps). 1920 x 1200 Screen is awesome, build quality fantastic, thin and fairly light, 802.11ac wireless, wireless charging, almost pure Android, and good enough battery life. This thing is perfect for my wife and was a steal at $75 from Amazon Warehouse. Got a $7 case from eBay and my wife is loving it. It's a big upgrade from her Nexus 7 2012.
That being said, I will not be picking another one up for myself unless we get a magic update that makes it as fast as my 3830. I like to multitask, so that's priority for me.
P.S. After all updates, I ran Antutu and the tab scored 33,000 vs 24,000 for my 3830. Sadly, real world experience doesn't reflect this.
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So I've had the tablet for a week now. The amount of bloatware pre-installed was insane. I was surprised since the 1st gen 3830 came with almost zero. After disabling all bloatware and all google apps, disabling animations, disable sync, disable backup & restore, it's running fairly well. Chrome browser is definitely not happening. Stock browser is good, but opening multiple tabs is still guaranteed to make the tablet lag.
All in all, this is a great tablet for someone who only does one thing at a time (No multiple browser tabs and switching back and forth between apps). 1920 x 1200 Screen is awesome, build quality fantastic, thin and fairly light, 802.11ac wireless, wireless charging, almost pure Android, and good enough battery life. This thing is perfect for my wife and was a steal at $75 from Amazon Warehouse. Got a $7 case from eBay and my wife is loving it. It's a big upgrade from her Nexus 7 2012.
That being said, I will not be picking another one up for myself unless we get a magic update that makes it as fast as my 3830. I like to multitask, so that's priority for me.
P.S. After all updates, I ran Antutu and the tab scored 33,000 vs 24,000 for my 3830. Sadly, real world experience doesn't reflect this.
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Lol, my mother went from my hand me down N7(2012) to this and so far, with the way I've set it up, she likes it for her style of use. It really is a shame as if the darn thing had 3 (gasp!) gigs of Ram it would be a killer little tablet, the fact that you can pick them up so cheap is another huge plus.
Hi! CJ, I have a Dell Venue 8 3840, and for some reason I'm unaware of, it's WIFI, & BLUETOOTH, have completely being "lost", I.E. the icons, the Settings options etc.... Have " disappeared ".
I would be most grateful for your advice on it's recovery.
Thanks & regards,
Mahil.
Hmmm, never heard of that happening before. I could ask you a bunch of questions to see what may have caused it but instead my advice would be do a reset. Under settings/back up & reset/ factory reset. Back up whatever files you don't want to lose, the cloud works great for that, and then reset. See if that brings it back.
Venue 8 touch screen freezing issue
I had bought my tablet online. It was working well initially. Then suddenly from one day the screen started to freeze once it was not in use for minimum 7-8 seconds although the tab was not hanging, just the tablet touch screen was not responding to touch.
my dell venue 8 3840 has kitkat 4.4.4. WiFi Bluetooth is not working at all. when i press on in the WiFi option, it goes to on but color doesn't change, i mean it keeps grey and it doesn't scan any WiFi signals. nothing happens on the screen. its like frozen. add device and reset options on WiFi menu are also freeze. when i come out of WiFi menu, it automatically turns off. i have already reset my tab 2 3 times to check if the issue resolves but the prob persists. advanced options are working. when i go there, it says mac address and IP address unavailable. and these options are also freeze. am not getting a clue of what has happened and how to get it fixed. plz help.
Dell Venue 8 8340 slow fix
Hey guys,
I have found a solution for the extremely slow performance of the Dell Venue 8 8340. You must disable wi-fi optimization in settings --> wifi --> advanced. After disabling this feature, the tablet runs fairly smooth with no crashing or delays. This may be a temporary fix; however, it does seem to affect the tablets performance. Also, I did not have the time to check if this fix has been posted, sorry for the repeat if it has. Please update on whether or not this tweak works for others.
Setting 'Developer Options' -> 'Background Processes' to 'At most 2 Processes' seems to help with performance. Reboots and updates sometimes reset this to the default though.
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Has anybody else experienced or is experiencing rather poor ram management on their S6e?
I'm finding app refreshes really quite abundant. Yes they refresh quickly in most cases but they are refreshes nether the less.
Worst are apps that dump you out of what you are doing like Tapatalk.
System manager tells me I gave 400mb free and yet app refreshes are a common occurrence.
My nexus 6 rarely has to auto refresh - indeed conversely I can open Tapatalk on that and have to manually refresh to get content. But at least I never get dumped out of a thread and taken back to menu.
The Galaxy S5 was poor enough with memory management, I hoped the 3gb in the S6e would put an end to forced reloads & refreshes but nope.
I have a sim free factory unlocked model, no carrier bloat and have factory restored and still same issue persists.
Its as if Touchwiz despite certain improvements is as memory hungry and uncouth as it ever was.
I know how you feel. RAM is always almost full even if there are no apps running. I can multitask without refreshes if I go to an app for a few seconds. But if I spend like even just a minute then I get a refresh. Even with just one tab on Google Chrome, I get a refresh immediately by just using Facebook for a while. I mean wtf?
I believe it's due to the memory leak on 5.0.1 wait till we get 5.1 to see if they fix this issue
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I believe it's due to the memory leak on 5.0.1 wait till we get 5.1 to see if they fix this issue
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No memory leak is only on nexus devices and related to its particular bootloader - something Samsung device doesn't have. It won't improve if it's not good now.
Graffiti Exploit said:
I know how you feel. RAM is always almost full even if there are no apps running. I can multitask without refreshes if I go to an app for a few seconds. But if I spend like even just a minute then I get a refresh. Even with just one tab on Google Chrome, I get a refresh immediately by just using Facebook for a while. I mean wtf?
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Yep exactly as you describe and it's really quite annoying. Feels like the phone is being gimped by its OS Skin. We shouldn't be having this issue on a 2015 3gb top of range device.
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No memory leak is only on nexus devices and related to its particular bootloader - something Samsung device doesn't have. It won't improve if it's not good now.
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Ah I didn't know that. Thanks for correcting me. I also have this issue as well and hoping this issue is fixed soon from Samsung.
I have this issue too.. Anoys the heck out of me;.. I can pause pandora, and then open another app, and pandora lost its place!
happens a lot more then it should.
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I have this issue too.. Anoys the heck out of me;.. I can pause pandora, and then open another app, and pandora lost its place!
happens a lot more then it should.
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Yep. How come all the so called in depth reviews never mentioned this issue. To me aggressive memory killing and excessive ram usage is far more detrimental to user experience than the odd bit of lag, yet the only thing we kept getting told is how lag free this device would be and how super fast the ram is.... And yet it can barely keep 4 apps in memory for 5 minutes. Its really frustrating.
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Yep. How come all the so called in depth reviews never mentioned this issue. To me aggressive memory killing and excessive ram usage is far more detrimental to user experience than the odd bit of lag, yet the only thing we kept getting told is how lag free this device would be and how super fast the ram is.... And yet it can barely keep 4 apps in memory for 5 minutes. Its really frustrating.
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ikr.. they didnt mention this ram thing at all. are they even used this phone at all to post those reviews?!? I was using an iPhone 6 Plus before, and I never had this issue at all. I hope they can fix this as soon as possible.
I don't think the reviers use it really all that much. I don't think they load a lot of apps like most us users.. Idk it is sad. I also think Pandora for example is weird. Once you hit pause the icon disappears on top. So it's free to get killed. When songza for example, just pauses and keeps an icon on top. I'll almost chalk that up to bad programming. But fb, chrome and whatever, yea.. Sucky
It's really irritating. My 6 plus with 1gb of ram is better than this. What I don't get is you can have 400mb plus of ram available and stuff starts closing. Makes no sense.
I had this issue with my nexus too, and my s5 with lollypop.. I wonder if there is a settinf
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It's really irritating. My 6 plus with 1gb of ram is better than this. What I don't get is you can have 400mb plus of ram available and stuff starts closing. Makes no sense.
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Yep... I have less refreshes with my 6+ too.
The 400mb free ram available thing irks me too - if it's free why isn't it being used ? And what the heck is using up the 2.4gb before it ? Even when I tell it to close all my apps the most I have free is around 700mb which soon drops back to the 400-480mb mark. It's crazy how memory hungry and inefficient it's being.
holy crap! finally!
I've been searching for a thread like this for a week. Just got my phone a few days ago and man the ram management is piss poor. My HTC M7 doesn't have this issue. And yes I've wondered why no review site has mentioned this at all. I mostly noticed it on Chrome.. or even the stock browser. But yes it does this auto refresh crap on other apps as well. I don't know about you guys but I have the AT&The variant non edge and I have 5.0.2.
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I've been searching for a thread like this for a week. Just got my phone a few days ago and man the ram management is piss poor. My HTC M7 doesn't have this issue. And yes I've wondered why no review site has mentioned this at all. I mostly noticed it on Chrome.. or even the stock browser. But yes it does this auto refresh crap on other apps as well. I don't know about you guys but I have the AT&The variant non edge and I have 5.0.2.
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Yeah I have a stock UK/Ireland factory unbranded handset, so its not carrier app fault either unfortunately.
The M7 & M8 are both excellent indeed - with near stock android levels of memory management, which only goes to prove an android skin doesn't have to suck the life out of a device, which is exactly what Touchwiz feels like its doing.
The S5 wasn't great memory management wise, the Note 4 was good but no where near as good as the Note 3 memory wise and sadly the S6e seems very poor especially when you consider it has 3gb. So it seems to me since the Note 3 Samsung's flagships have been getting worse ram management wise rather than better.
I have a €950 flagship phone which handles memory about as good as a Moto G with 1gb.
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Yeah I have a stock UK/Ireland factory unbranded handset, so its not carrier app fault either unfortunately.
The M7 & M8 are both excellent indeed - with near stock android levels of memory management, which only goes to prove an android skin doesn't have to suck the life out of a device, which is exactly what Touchwiz feels like its doing.
The S5 wasn't great memory management wise, the Note 4 was good but no where near as good as the Note 3 memory wise and sadly the S6e seems very poor especially when you consider it has 3gb. So it seems to me since the Note 3 Samsung's flagships have been getting worse ram management wise rather than better.
I have a €950 flagship phone which handles memory about as good as a Moto G with 1gb.
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so you're telling me that the S5 for a year now still has crappy ram management??? that's just crazy and boggles my mind. i seriously don't want to keep this phone for 2 years of this nonsense (i get a new phone every 2 years). if that's the case i might just return this phone. as good as it is, that's almost a deal breaker to me. i always multitask switching from web page to messenger, to camera, sports apps etc.. etc.. then back to web page just to see it auto refresh every time! if i'm just bouncing back and forth between a couple apps within a min or so it doesn't seem to do this but after about 5 mins.. it never fails.. auto refresh is a certain. so sad. i don't want to go back to apple, but right now, i might have to return this phone and wait for iPhone 6S.
what also baffles me is that i don't seem to see much people talking about this issue considering this is a flagship phone and millions have already been sold worldwide.
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so you're telling me that the S5 for a year now still has crappy ram management??? that's just crazy and boggles my mind. i seriously don't want to keep this phone for 2 years of this nonsense (i get a new phone every 2 years). if that's the case i might just return this phone. as good as it is, that's almost a deal breaker to me. i always multitask switching from web page to messenger, to camera, sports apps etc.. etc.. then back to web page just to see it auto refresh every time! if i'm just bouncing back and forth between a couple apps within a min or so it doesn't seem to do this but after about 5 mins.. it never fails.. auto refresh is a certain. so sad. i don't want to go back to apple, but right now, i might have to return this phone and wait for iPhone 6S.
what also baffles me is that i don't seem to see much people talking about this issue considering this is a flagship phone and millions have already been sold worldwide.
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I think because the phone is otherwise very very fast some folks may not be noticing the refreshes. Its certainly more noticeable on apps that drop you out of what you were doing back to a previous menu screen like Tapatalk.
I think people genuinely want to believe the
Hype that the S6 & S6e are the nirvana of android...
I must admit I too am shocked folks aren't complaining more or are giving the device an easy pass on this issue, but for me its a total PITA.
I will keep the S6e until the next update and hope that has some memory tweaks, but if it doesn't I'll consider just selling it on.
I tiped phonearena about this issu and they announced it today so maybe this will open some eyes in Samsung dep.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Galaxy-S6-exhibiting-overzealous-RAM-management-report-users_id68745
now also up on Sammobile
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/04/28/poor-ram-management-affecting-the-galaxy-s6-and-s6-edge/
So far, ive had issues of battery drain with bundled apps such as the AMAZON app store, as most of us here are already aware. I wonder if this ram issue has to do with the same preloaded apps causing issues? What about people who rooted and reinstalled all Play-Store-Reinstallable apps, through the Play store, has that cleared this issue? Maybe the misbehaving apps are taking their system-level privilege a little too far?
Glad some review sites are taking an eye on this. It's actually really annoying. Even my music app constantly shuts off and I have to force it to cause a wake lock for it not to shut off (poweramp has this option)
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I still don't get why people think the memory has anything to do with 64 v 32. I have never heard a person ever say "oh you machine is laggy because you have a 64bit machine and not enough memory." until I found this sub-forum. The iPhone/iPad have had 1-2GB of RAM and not had any huge performance issues while being 64bit.
There are memory issues, that's it, nothing to do with it being 64-bit or not. 3GB MAY "fix" the issue, but that would really just mean the machine would go longer until it started to show symptoms. The nexus 5 and 6 had LOTS of memory issues on Android 5 and no one ever said "it's not enough memory" and not being 64bit hardware they couldn't blame that, because it worked fine on 4.X. We have no 4.X to compare with, so everyone just wants to blame 64 bit when really, it just needs more software fixes that Google isn't spending time on.
If anything having a 64bit CPU just means the CPU can work harder and faster, even if it was running 32bit software. I know that not many developers ahve latched on to the n9, but i would NOT be surprised if a few clever ones could figure out what is actually causing the memory leaks/aggressive paging. For example on my n6 it is using about 4-500MB less ram, just to to Android OS and Google App. There is nothign about being 64-bit that means the Kernel needs over 2x's the memory usage. Something is making it keep memory instead of releasing it. I am not smart enough to know what that "something" is, but I'm sure someone that develops and has an N9 is smart enough and can file a bug report for it that we can all upvote.
If there are any current open bug reports for memory usage on the n9 please link them to me, I will gladly upvote them. Lets just be clear there is no reason to suspect this is anything more than a software issue.
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Here is a bug report i found of the problem, if more people could Star it then it can get up the priority list.
https://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=175232
People like to blame the 64bit OS because the switch does make processes consume slightly more memory. If implemented poorly, a 64bit OS can eat up a lot more RAM. Windows XP 64, any Itanium based system and many early x64 Linux distributions come to mind.
Somehow Android OS on my N6 averages 220mb, while it's 800+ on the N9. Because the N9 is 64 bit, that change seems to be the obvious culprit. Clearly, the N9 didn't ship with enough RAM based on the OS memory use as somehow the N6 has 3gb for an 220MB OS footprint and the N9 has only 2mb, despite an OS that eats almost 4x the memory.
Switching to a 64bit OS should make the CPU, RAM, etc. all run 'faster', but if there's not enough RAM to hold running software, the experience will slow down as more processes need to be shuffled in and out of RAM. Look at what happens to a computer when it 'runs out of RAM'. The constant game of musical RAM chairs will more than erase any gains from switching to 64 bit.
In my mind, there is no question that SERIOUS problems exist with this device. The fact that this is one of the first 64bit Android devices is almost definitely a contributing factor, but the slightly reduced efficiency of how 64bit memory is allocated can in no way explain the problems with the devices. Something MUCH deeper is going on. Based on some research, here is what I've learned.
1: Some part of the OS is using an obscene amount of memory. Some of this is probably Google's fault because 64 bit Android just wasn't ready. I'm also pretty sure nVidia and HTC are more to blame for this issue than Google.
2: There's still not enough RAM. If the N6 has 3GB, there is no reason why the N9 shouldn't. Most tablet users run more memory-intensive
3: HTC built a bad device. I've had cellular issues with VZW & ATT which have been discussed in these forums and are obviously HTC's fault. I've also read about there being some hardware issues causing the ram to 'freeze' which required a replacement device.
4: nVidia's hardware sucks. More accurately, their x64 bit implementation of the hardware.
5: Graphics: I BELIEVE THIS IS THE GIANT ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM OF ISSUES. The nVidia Shield has similar hardware with a standard HD screen. The N9 has a different aspect ratio and a lot more pixels. The horrible application switching lag even with relatively low memory use (a process that is still taxing on the GPU) makes me think this is the main flaw of the device. This problem could also make the OS eat more memory to make up for the OS issues. A graphics issue would be everyone's fault. Google is to blame for insisting on this change when the other hardware just couldn't support it properly and choosing partners incapable of delivering the hardware to properly support the screen. nVidia and HTC to blame for not providing sufficient hardware and software support for the screen.
In reality, I think several factors combined to produce this issue. The components of the system were designed primarily for 32-bit implementations of Android. 64-bit support was baked into them, but it wasn't the focus of the components. The device itself was probably designed before 64-bit Android was even available to test properly. Because the pieces looked like they should fit together on paper, everyone just assumed they would. Unfortunately,for some components the fact that they could run in 64-bit mode, didn't mean they would run well.
x64 gets blamed because it is unknown. The average user has no idea what it means to have a 64 bit platform vs 32 bit. IMO x64 is unneeded unless you're mapping 4gb or more RAM and doing a lot of computations with large numbers.
There is most certainly a memory penalty since the os must run 64 bit code and likely have a vm of some sort to run all the existing 32 bit stuff. In windows this is obvious as you have program files and program files (x86) folders as well as windows\system32 and windows\syswow64 humorously the former is the 64 bit subsystem and the latter is the x86 subsystem. This is why you should plan ahead when architecting your applications and not name your folders poorly.
All that said, I have an htc m9 in addition to the nexus. The m9 is also 64 bit and has no issues. Not an apples to apples comparison since it is a Qualcomm processor with 3gb of ram and less pixels but it should indicate that 64 bit android is not the problem in and of itself.
Thanks guys. 64-bit apps should use at most 15-20% more RAM compared to their 32-bt counterparts, simply due to the fast that 64-bit assets are larger. The issue we have is that in cases like Android OS, using over 120% more memory than on a 32bit device. It also for some reason seems at times to feel like the GPU is taxed and it definitely should not be. So either the GPU drivers are buggy or the GPU memory is very limited. Luckily much of this is improved on 6.0, but there are still issues that need to be addressed in the OS itself.
Because saying "I do not know why my Nexus 9 performs poorly" is boring. Jumping to conclusions is much more exciting and dramatic.
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Thanks guys. 64-bit apps should use at most 15-20% more RAM compared to their 32-bt counterparts, simply due to the fast that 64-bit assets are larger. The issue we have is that in cases like Android OS, using over 120% more memory than on a 32bit device. It also for some reason seems at times to feel like the GPU is taxed and it definitely should not be. So either the GPU drivers are buggy or the GPU memory is very limited. Luckily much of this is improved on 6.0, but there are still issues that need to be addressed in the OS itself.
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I suspect you are right that there are driver issues. Sadly our only recourse is to wait on nvidia/htc/google to rectify the issue.
Don't know what it is but 6.0 is not what I expected. Jerky , slow loading and very unpleasant to use. Have never rooted or rommed. Don't think I should have to. Did a FDR, no improvement. Have to constantly clear app cache and system cache to make it tolerable. Hoping for some relief from Google
Android 6 on my stock nexus 9 has brought every task switch of any kind to a near unusable lag. 4 to a full 20 seconds is the norm now. In fact, just about every response to user action in every app has this problem now. I've got almost nothing except Google's apps, many of which I don't use, but still have something running.
The tablet is now a paper weight, almost. The delays make it unusable, as you can't tell whether an interface action didn't "take", or is just laggy.
I did this as an update. Should I just wipe and reinstall clean? If so, where do I get the necessary files and instructions?
Thanks for any insight.
Black Friday buy, feeling I'm going to return it, two days in and I can see the issues already
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Black Friday buy, feeling I'm going to return it, two days in and I can see the issues already
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Welcome to the Lagsus 9 owners club [emoji6] Did it ship with latest android version, or did you ota update?
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Welcome to the Lagsus 9 owners club [emoji6] Did it ship with latest android version, or did you ota update?
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It had to update, actually had like 7 different updates, I'm pretty sure I'm returning it I'm really unimpressed and most of it is hardware issues that can't be fixed, lack of ram, light bleed, ****ty power and volume buttons, not exactly the thinnest lightest tablet. Don't get me wrong its a nexus and I do like it, but I don't plan on buying another tablet for at least three years and if I'm already feeling a little unhappy
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It had to update, actually had like 7 different updates, I'm pretty sure I'm returning it I'm really unimpressed and most of it is hardware issues that can't be fixed, lack of ram, light bleed, ****ty power and volume buttons, not exactly the thinnest lightest tablet. Don't get me wrong its a nexus and I do like it, but I don't plan on buying another tablet for at least three years and if I'm already feeling a little unhappy
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I wish I would have returned it, but haven't because I thought they were fixing the memory leak. And after fixed it turned out that all other Nexus devices do well but not the n9.
Feel free to try my ROM if you're unsatisfied with what Google has done with stock.
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Feel free to try my ROM if you're unsatisfied with what Google has done with stock.
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Does it have lower system ram usage? There are people (like me) who want just use their device as a normal user and get ota updates and not flash the device manually every few weeks. It's very nice that you are sharing it anyway!
Everyone try first "safe mode" on Nexus 9 for 3-5 days to see if this app or hardware problem!
Press and hold power button
pres and hold "power off" option
then choose OK.
If problems gone (lag, resetting) then do factory reset without backup, install app manually not all at once from backup. It helped mine Nexus 9
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Does it have lower system ram usage? There are people (like me) who want just use their device as a normal user and get ota updates and not flash the device manually every few weeks. It's very nice that you are sharing it anyway!
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I think you'll be happy. Popular quote that people often use is:
You have breathed new life into my Nexus 9.
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With that said, it's entirely possible to flash one build and stick with it for however long as you wish. When you do decide to update, you simply create a backup, "wipe", and flash the newer build with some gapps. Something to keep in mind here is that Nexus devices were created to be fiddled with. If you aren't fiddling, you aren't getting the full experience. It is a developer's device, after all. :highfive:
If this is a road you do decide to travel down, just be sure to do a lot of reading and understand what you're doing prior to doing it.
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I think you'll be happy. Popular quote that people often use is:
With that said, it's entirely possible to flash one build and stick with it for however long as you wish. When you do decide to update, you simply create a backup, "wipe", and flash the newer build with some gapps. Something to keep in mind here is that Nexus devices were created to be fiddled with. If you aren't fiddling, you aren't getting the full experience. It is a developer's device, after all. :highfive:
If this is a road you do decide to travel down, just be sure to do a lot of reading and understand what you're doing prior to doing it.
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It's a normal end user device, too. And for me the only choice. Don't like apple products at all. Don't want to buy a device and then not get updates. To be exactly, I want to know before I buy and not hope that Samsung, lg or whatever are so friendly to update. And, I don't like the modifications they do to the UI. So for me there is no other than Nexus. But I don't want this special fiddling experience. (For now. I will probably install a ROM on my Nexus 7 2012 some day)
According to this document
https://01.org/android-ia/user-guides/android-memory-tuning-android-5.0-and-5.1
64 bit indeed increases ram usage a lot...
I also have the impression that this is rather an issue with the Nvidia chipset or the general hardware design than with the system being 64bit.
This morning I had a very LOL moment when I read the Google Pixel C review of The Verve:
>>The specs are also huge: 3GB of RAM paired to the latest Nvidia X1 64-bit processor. That all seems good, but something is amiss with performance on the Pixel C. There are inexcusable pauses and latency, especially when launching and switching apps. <<
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/8/9869980/google-pixel-c-tablet-review-android
So the problem still seems to be out of control. Too bad.
There are many threads about the Nexus 9 and memory issues but I have yet to see any reports of specific analysis of the issue on a problem device. I've had no memory issues with the Nexus 9, 7, 7(2013),5 and Asus tablets. I seen no evidence that there are hardware differences between Nexus 9's (except the pre release version tested for FCC emissions had a Miracast chip) and I believe it is down to the apps that users run. In support of this opinion:
Resets are recommended to clear the issues.
Google state at Investigating Your RAM Usage Although Dalvik and ART perform routine garbage collection (GC), this doesn’t mean you can ignore when and where your app allocates and releases memory. In order to provide a stable user experience that allows the system to quickly switch between apps, it is important that your app does not needlessly consume memory when the user is not interacting with it. Has anyone with memory issues looked at the recommended tests at the link above?
The quality of apps published. Anecdotal evidence (I hope it's wrong) that publishing an app on Google store can be done in 30 minutes but Apple requires "days". I've never owned an Apple product I'm just saying that to me, not a software developer, that the compliance standards imposed on the software tested may allow bad coding to slip through.
i currently own a asus transformer tf700 which has serious i/o memory lag issues that require monthly flashing. i noticed some people seem to have the same problem with n9. whats the general consensus around here?
Get a Surface Pro 4 instead of Nexus 9. N9 let me down. It was laggy when on 5.0, 5.1 solved that. And recently, my N9 shows some signs of screen mess and buzzing when battery is low. Not sure if it's related to software or hardware.
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it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
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Yea i just bought for the black Friday sale 279$ for 32gig because 16 gig is just to small. But after looking thru a lot of these threads and seeing all the issues people have I'm seriously considering returning it. I have had every nexus device since the Galaxy nexus and im blown away by how many issues this device has and by the lack of development and just lack of general interest on the forums. 100$ more and i can get the Samsung tab S2 8.4, i actually really don't like Samsung design but with the lack of quality android tablets its either this or a ipad.
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we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
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we also own a Samsung tab here wich has 3gb of memory, but frankly that device performance is even worse then the n9 due to samsungs bloatware. The only reason for a Samsung tab would be to buy it then flash cyanogenmod on it on something.
But yes, I do agree there is rather a lack of quality android tablets. tbh I might consider just buying a Surface tablet next, they start out at 500 bucks i believe, wich is like 50 bucks more then what i paid for the N9.
The reason I went with nexus devices is purely because they are as stock and bloatware free as possible, but the N9 in general is just bad. my 2012 N5 still performs fine.
We just have to hope for a N9 2016 or something with a quad core cpu (and that not being a nvidia tegra) and 3 or 4gb of memory.
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Yea thats why i went nexus too i have a lot of device's but nothing beats a stock version of Android with quick updates, i cant stand samsung bloatware, TouchWiz but it's hardware is the best out there. As far as the surface unless it's a work devise i wouldn't recommend it. I actually have a Dell Venue pro with Windows 10, full version has a beautiful screen fast processor actually quite beautiful tablet . But windows ten as a tablet is terrible if you are just using it to read and watch movies and basic stuff, especially if you are tied into the Google ecosystem. The lack of quality apps just makes it worse there are work arounds for most things but they can usually **** up and generally at the most importune times. I really tried to make it work cause i like the tablet but i just cant, that's why i got this but I'm weighing my options now after reading thru these forums.
I'm also looking to get this tablet haven't had a tablet since 2013 how are the tablet apps for Android?
GiantAxe said:
it really depends on what you want to do with it
Watch movies? get a tablet with a 16:9 resolution instead, this one is 4:3
just some reading? this tablet will do fine
Use it for the occasional stuff like word documents, some games etc? it will still do fine
Serious multitasking? dont even bother with this one
hate redraws or application closing due to running low on memory? again dont bother with this one.
All in all i have the device since it came out, android 6 improved battery life some but honestly its just 1 big disappointment device.
As for the post above me, the N9 and Surface Pro 4 aren't even comparable with each other, spec and price wise. (besides the fact its also 2 different OS systems)
All things aside, the biggest downfall for this device is its 2gb of memory and its rather crappy dual core socket. (wich performs exceptionally well in single-thread, just dont expect anything that has to do with multithread and multitasking)
as for the memory, with the amount of pixels this device has you will average 500~600mb ram just to load most assets. they really should have given this device 3gb memory.
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Dual core and 2GB RAM works very well for iOS. I don't expect that to mean much but there's no excuse for the performance issues really as a Nexus device is already stripped to bare essentials.
Why do I have no issues whatsoever with my n9!
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