So ive tried a bunch of different email clients and they all experience the same issue when connecting to a corporate exchange server. About once a day, at random times, they will crash and i have to force stop them and reopen the app to get it to receive exchange push email updates.
Clients I have tried are: Improved Email, Enhanced Email, K-9 and the Moxie trial. I cant find any common link as to why they all end up non-responsive. At first i thought it happened when i lose signal (such as when im in the subway) but I havent taken the subway the past few days and it still happens.
Is there something included with the atrix that kills these processes after a certain amount of time?
I manage our corporate exchange servers (2003 and 2010) and have had really good success with the built in Corporate Sync app for the atrix.
Is there something you are syncing that it can't hanfle? The calendar and contacts work great. I haven't tried tasks as I don't use them.
Aside from that, make sure on task manager that the mail clients aren't set to auto kill.
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I wish I could get email from our exchange server, but unfortunately my company isn't going to allow that until Android becomes more secure.
beatphreek said:
I manage our corporate exchange servers (2003 and 2010) and have had really good success with the built in Corporate Sync app for the atrix.
Is there something you are syncing that it can't hanfle? The calendar and contacts work great. I haven't tried tasks as I don't use them.
Aside from that, make sure on task manager that the mail clients aren't set to auto kill.
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I didnt think i had corporate sync, but i just took a look now and it seems like I do. I didnt think about trying to set it up as a new "account" in the phone.
On the bright side, enhanced email hasnt crashed in a while. I think one of the other email apps processes was killing it. I have uninstalled them all. If it crashes again, I will try the built in Corporate Sync.
Caelan, what doesnt your company like about android? All the exchange clients ive tried allow remote management which i know was a sticking point for a lot of companies when android was newer. Though I'll admit im not really up on the security issues of android... Im kind of lucky because my company lets us bring any device onto the network, and we get to admin our own computers. The benefits of working at a tech company staffed completely with geeks
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Caelan, what doesnt your company like about android? All the exchange clients ive tried allow remote management which i know was a sticking point for a lot of companies when android was newer. Though I'll admit im not really up on the security issues of android... Im kind of lucky because my company lets us bring any device onto the network, and we get to admin our own computers. The benefits of working at a tech company staffed completely with geeks
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I am not sure exactly what it is that is a security problem, but I work for a big R&D company. All our laptops, thumb drives, etc. are encrypted, and we use RSA secure tokens to connect to our network externally when OOO. As an example, if you want email access on your iPhone, the company installs security software requiring a lengthy password to even get past the lock screen, and also remote wipe ability so they can wipe your iPhone if you lose it. We have a lot of proprietary R&D documentation which they do not want to lose.
Apparently there are some security holes which should be fixed with 2.3.4, and they may already be testing this at corporate IT.
We also have full admin rights to our laptops, but they are also very secure with full HDD encryption.
Android does meet all the security requirements that Microsoft has in place for Activesync licensing, it forces a passcode to unlock, it encrypts the exchange data, and it does remote wipe.
The only thing I can think would be that due to the ability to easily root the device there are programs that get around the lock screen requirements. They may have other reasons though.
In Australia (and probably other countries) Vodafone gives you unlimited access to facebook, twitter and some other social networking sites. Therefore as you can imagine, if I make Vodafone think all my data is Facebook, i can has unlimited internets. Any ideas how?
My guess is they do it by checking the IPs and/or DNS queries your internutz requests target - not much you can do there.
They use deep packet scanning to see exactly what you do on the internet with your phone. It's breaking your privacy. They want to do it over here too in the Netherlands, but the specialised telecom-law does not allow that, because its breaking someone's privacy.
You can't change these packets, as you may send them disguised to facebook, you'll always get packets back from facebook undisguised. The same goes for all your other data.
Ah OK, thanks guys.
My wife has a RAZR MAXX. Her company is transitioning their corporate email from Groupwise (I'm amazed they are still on it) to Google for Business.
They currently allow the use of BYOD for email access. She has been using Touchdown to access their Groupwise infrastructure. Before allowing access to the new email system, they are requiring the installation of Google's Device Policy App.
Is anyone here familiar with it? We're very interested in it's capabilities prior to allowing it on her phone. If we decide it's too intrusive, she will opt out of the email access.
I understand it has remote wipe, of email, or the entire system and that it can enforce a device lock timeout and PIN. Those are fairly standard.
What I'm more concerned with is the other capabilities that I've heard about. I've read where it can apparently use the camera to take pictures. It can also report on the phone's movements. Can anyone confirm this? And if so, is this something that the admins will have a console for that's supplied by Google, or is it something a third-party application is used for? Are there any indications of things such as this being activated remotely? Are there any ways to limit what it can do? Are there ways on the phone to determine what the specific active policy contains, and also receive notification if the policy was to change?
Any other info regarding this would be very much appreciated.
Thanks.
I don't have a lot of answers for you, and would actually like answers to a lot of the same questions.
What I do have to offer is that my school Exchange server requires me to grant it similar access. I've never had an issue related to it. It is a bit unnerving to connect to the email server for the first time and allow it to wipe the device, take photos, activate location services...
How they make use of this access? I'm not sure.
Personally, I've never heard anything about it other than the initial granting of access, and to my knowledge they have never made use of the privileges. So if they have used it, there have been no alerts to it, but I strongly doubt they have.
But at any rate, when I accepted the policy it very specifically outlined what it requests, and allows you to accept or deny. At least in the implementation I used.
Was going to download and try this app from the Google store but have issues with privacy concerns:
This app has access to these permissions:
Your accounts
read Google service configuration
find accounts on the device
use accounts on the device
Your location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based)
Your messages
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
access mail information
Network communication
full network access
view network connections
view Wi-Fi connections
Your personal information
read calendar events plus confidential information
Phone calls
directly call phone numbers
read phone status and identity
Storage
modify or delete the contents of your USB storage
Your applications information
retrieve running apps
Your social information
read your contacts
read call log
System tools
read Home settings and shortcuts
write Home settings and shortcuts
test access to protected storage
Affects battery
control vibration
Status bar
expand/collapse status bar
Wallpaper
set wallpaper
adjust your wallpaper size
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Why does this app need to access so much of my personal information?
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Was going to download and try this app from the Google store but have issues with privacy concerns:
Why does this app need to access so much of my personal information?
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Hi,
As you know, Themer helps increase the user experience by providing valuable information straight onto your homescreen.
This includes:
1. Displaying how many unread emails/SMS/missed calls you have. (Your messages
read your text messages (SMS or MMS)
receive text messages (SMS)
access mail information))
2. Displaying your map coordinates on a map image. (Your location
approximate location (network-based)
precise location (GPS and network-based))
3. A built-in dialer app that can display your recent contact as well as allow you to call a number directly from your homescreen. (Phone calls
directly call phone numbers
read phone status and identity) (Your social information
read your contacts
read call log)
4. Display agenda information. (Your personal information
read calendar events plus confidential information)
As you can see, it's all for display purposes. If you look at other widgets on the Play Store that perform the same activities, they will also require these permissions. It just so happens that Themer has all of these features built into one app. Hope this helps clarify the matter.
Thanks for the clarification. Looking forward to trying out the app!
I have the same concerns, beginning with the need to login before using any themes. (The explanation given in the faq seems too lame for me). Looks like a terrific app but possibly not for those who worry about privacy. I'm personally too scared to try it.
One option to explore is using this app with xprivacy installed which allows one to restrict unneeded permissions. Maybe a firewall might help?
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I have the same concerns, beginning with the need to login before using any themes. (The explanation given in the faq seems too lame for me). Looks like a terrific app but possibly not for those who worry about privacy. I'm personally too scared to try it.
One option to explore is using this app with xprivacy installed which allows one to restrict unneeded permissions. Maybe a firewall might help?
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Hi Anderson2,
That FAQ actually sums it up quite well. The login feature creates a security barrier for us, which even though is not the most advanced way of preventing intrusions into our theming servers, it does a good job in finding people who are trying to tamper with our systems. That and of course sending users email updates of new features if they request it.
When exactly do you need login? Just to download themes? After the download can one log out? I don't like the idea that you have access to my emails, texts, and any files your widgets access. That is what concerns me.
I don't know enough about themer because I'm afraid to use it, but I believe your zooper widget doesn't require login. (Does it?) Can you explain how they differ in the need for protection?
I have to say that I share those concerns. Why do you force users to login with their Google or Facebook accounts? I do not understand why this should be a better securitry barrier than the login data from mycolorscreen.com? I would not even give away my login data to someone I know, so why should I give away this data to someone I do not know at all???
Well said.
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I have to say that I share those concerns. Why do you force users to login with their Google or Facebook accounts? I do not understand why this should be a better securitry barrier than the login data from mycolorscreen.com? I would not even give away my login data to someone I know, so why should I give away this data to someone I do not know at all???
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Yet you log in to this forum and use it.
The explanations have been given. It's to ensure you are who you say you are when you access their servers to download the themes.
As for all the other access, Themer provides a lot of different information as explained (you DID read what he posted, correct?) GPS position, weather, etc. All of this is based on location, etc, as well as if you want unread email counts, etc. It's all there in Themer given you everything all rolled into one app, rather than having to download each piece separately. If you don't like it, don't use it. Thousands upon thousands of users are using it without any issues. I definitely like to protect my privacy, but this app is the least of your worries about privacy.
There are many other problems that could result if they didn't want you to verify who you say you are. Do you want someone to hack their servers and then you download a hacked theme that could result in even more privacy issues for you?
In the end, if you don't want to use it, don't. Nobody is forcing you to use it and they have every right to protect their investments as well. There are plenty of other apps out there you can use that can provide the same type of experience. Usually, the themes are not housed in a server so you can download them from elsewhere, but unless you're getting them from Google Play, then who is to say how safe those are? Many 3rd-party app stores are NOT the safest as they do not follow Google's security policy. At least with Themer, it's in the Google Play market and has had to go through Google's scrutiny.
A few weeks ago, the app was erroneously flagged as something that could steal your information. Google came back later and stated it was an error on their part and verified that the app is safe and it will not steal your information.
I've used it for months and nothing bad has happened to me.
There are many other ways for hackers to get your PI and this is the least of your worries.
vulcanvillalta said:
As an American, and therefore afraid of everything, I personally vote to not give out so much information. But on the other hand, IF someone wanted to get all of your information, they could probably do it without your consent. I would probably stay away from it, though. Just to "try" to be safe.
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Once Facebook introduces its anonymous login feature, our developers will implement the feature into Themer
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Yet you log in to this forum and use it.
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Yes, I do use this forum, but of course I do not log in with my Google account. There would be no reason to do so - same goes for Themer. I would have no problem if Themer would ask for my login data from mycolorscreen.
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The explanations have been given. It's to ensure you are who you say you are when you access their servers to download the themes.
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You think you know who I am because I enter some data that nobody ever controls? I could simply enter some Google account data I created only for Themer. But honestly, this is too much effort for me only the check if I like an app.
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As for all the other access, Themer provides a lot of different information as explained (you DID read what he posted, correct?) GPS position, weather, etc. All of this is based on location, etc, as well as if you want unread email counts, etc. It's all there in Themer given you everything all rolled into one app, rather than having to download each piece separately. If you don't like it, don't use it. Thousands upon thousands of users are using it without any issues. I definitely like to protect my privacy, but this app is the least of your worries about privacy.
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What exactly has GPS and weather to do with my Google Account data? I do not share GPS data with Google, so I would not with Themer as well. And for a weather forecast I would simply type in 5 numbers - my zip code. This is exactly what I do right now.
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There are many other problems that could result if they didn't want you to verify who you say you are. Do you want someone to hack their servers and then you download a hacked theme that could result in even more privacy issues for you?
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And because the people at Themer have may account data, nobody can hack their servers? So the solution to all hacked servers worldwide is so simple? Just giving them Google account data?
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In the end, if you don't want to use it, don't. Nobody is forcing you to use it and they have every right to protect their investments as well. There are plenty of other apps out there you can use that can provide the same type of experience. Usually, the themes are not housed in a server so you can download them from elsewhere, but unless you're getting them from Google Play, then who is to say how safe those are? Many 3rd-party app stores are NOT the safest as they do not follow Google's security policy. At least with Themer, it's in the Google Play market and has had to go through Google's scrutiny.
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Yes, I do not use it. This is the consequence.
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There are many other ways for hackers to get your PI and this is the least of your worries.
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So what should be my worries if it is not giving away voluntarily my Google account data to someone I do not know???
And you forgot something: I know at least 5 people that use their Android phones without a Google account, and they also do not use Facebook. Believe it or not: these people do really exist, and they even survive without a Google and a Facebook account.
So for me there is no credible information why the people at themer need my Google account data, and why this should protect them from being hacked. Or why my Google Account data should be safer than my mycolorscreen account data. This is why I will not use themer and would not recommend it to others.
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Yes, I do use this forum, but of course I do not log in with my Google account. There would be no reason to do so - same goes for Themer. I would have no problem if Themer would ask for my login data from mycolorscreen.
You think you know who I am because I enter some data that nobody ever controls? I could simply enter some Google account data I created only for Themer. But honestly, this is too much effort for me only the check if I like an app.
What exactly has GPS and weather to do with my Google Account data? I do not share GPS data with Google, so I would not with Themer as well. And for a weather forecast I would simply type in 5 numbers - my zip code. This is exactly what I do right now.
And because the people at Themer have may account data, nobody can hack their servers? So the solution to all hacked servers worldwide is so simple? Just giving them Google account data?
Yes, I do not use it. This is the consequence.
So what should be my worries if it is not giving away voluntarily my Google account data to someone I do not know???
And you forgot something: I know at least 5 people that use their Android phones without a Google account, and they also do not use Facebook. Believe it or not: these people do really exist, and they even survive without a Google and a Facebook account.
So for me there is no credible information why the people at themer need my Google account data, and why this should protect them from being hacked. Or why my Google Account data should be safer than my mycolorscreen account data. This is why I will not use themer and would not recommend it to others.
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You describe me exactly. I don't use my Google account to login anywhere, don't use Facebook, have phone GPS and location turned off, only enter zip code for weather, turn off sync everywhere, use a firewall, xprivacy, etc. - - and Google only thinks it has my info.
Everyone I know who is not a teenager or addicted to Facebook does the same.
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If you use fake names etc and are vague about your location, no, google doesnt have your name. But what about your IP address. They can tell that your pseudonym is performing functions from the specific location you are in. You might not GIVE them your name or address, but with the IP address linking you to a specific internet connection, they certainly can figure out who you are and where you are, if they want to.
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Which is why I don't want to help other sites identify me by giving them my Google login. Not everyone has Google capabilities.
The points made in defense of keeping your personal information private (and not using your Google login for Themer) are valid and understood.
However, Themer is not designed for that type of mindset.
Themer is designed for the overall market - the vast majority if you will - not for privacy advocates.
It's simply a tool that allows the general Android user base (the FB'ers, Google +'ers, i.e. Socialites) to easily login to an app designed to make their phones look cool. Most of the functionality of the Themes are far more invasive than your Google login anyway (GPS coordinates, access to text/email notifications, call logs, etc) so I really don't see the point of wildly waving your arms around saying "privacy breach! privacy breach!"
Don't use it. Cool. I'm OK with that. I'm sure they are too. But why complain about it? What is the goal? Surely you cannot think they will redesign the app for you.
So really, you're just posting on XDA to aggravate the devs. I mean, what launcher doesn't have access to all of your info? It's like complaining that a specific model of car has a license plate that can be used to identify you. Guess what? All cars do. Take the bus bro
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Which is why I don't want to help other sites identify me by giving them my Google login. Not everyone has Google capabilities.
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But your phone can still identify you. You are still logged into the internet via your carrier's internet and they can definitely get who you are on the phone.
You might as well just stay off the internet completely then.
And, if you're going to stay off the internet, then why have a smart phone? You're already identified out there through your carrier. If they breach your carrier account, they have all sorts of information right then and there, more so than Google would have. Think about it. Your billing address, etc.
Don't think for a minute that your carrier is completely safe. Even Verizon has had breaches.
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Like I said above, IF PEOPLE WANT YOUR INFORMATION, THEY CAN GET IT. There are nasty identity thieves out there that can find all of your information SOOOO easily. So easily. So whether or not you use an app or make a phonecall or whatever, you can still be traced and you can still be monitored and your information can still be acquired. I'm not trying to be a downer, but you can either accept that you are at the mercy of whoever wants to stalk you, or you can spend the rest of your life worrying and trying to protect yourself from something you literally have no control of.
IMHO, if you can use the app and it would benefit you, you might as well enjoy it.
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Not sure why you quoted me bro, I'm on the same page you are.
IT need to display some information about your phone