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Hi My question is ref to the internal compass and also the gps within the hero. I normally use a garmin CSx60 for caching and like the option of switching the compass off when around items that could affect its reliability. I cant seem to find any apps that will allow this on the hero. As the compass works by in effect measuring the magnetic field in its current enviroment, ( which in the open would be the earths north and south etc, but not when close to metail over head cable s etc etc) this is less than useful if the unit is in a car body or by anything that could disrupt the magnetic sense! Ok the hero worked ok when we got out of the car, but the garmin worked fine on just gps sats in the car and I could then switch to compass if we were in heavy tree cover giving poor sat performance.
Pity we cant switch the compass off and leave the gps on! Anyone else had this problem. We have two heros giving same sort of effects. Just one other point how can I use the hero on a car windscreen mount? It appears that the hero needs to be kept horizontal to get any meaningful reading, i.e. same plane as a normal compass would be.
Anyone else having similar problems?
Cheers
Mike
I agree it's a pain, on a propa Gps you can switch the digital compass feature off there by just using GPS satellites
*daydreams* if only someone made a app
Does anyone here use My Tracks or Strava to map GPS bike rides or runs? I have been using both of these apps since I had the MyTouch 3g. Some little issues are expected especially with the GPS on the Vibrant. The elevation change isn't exactly on point but usually only off by a couple 40-50 feet or so. In the last week or so, the elevation and tracks have been way off, like over 1,000 feet off. I have not changed anything on my Vibrant. I use the Strava app just about everyday. Anyone else experience this issue or have suggestions where to begin? I tried the hardware GPS fix to no avail.
i use my tracks for runs. sometimes i get up to speeds of 35mph on foot. my elevation changes rapidly even though i live in houston where the biggest hills are ant hills. the distance is correct since i tracked the same path with a g2x and iphone 4.
I use cardio trainer from work smart labs. Works well even with our crappy gps. Had setting for multiple sports, and can use sensors for use with a treadmill
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I really like Strava because it automatically uploads my track to the strava.com site. I never have a problem with distances, just elevation and sometimes speed will say upwards of 100mph. Really messes up my training log. This just started happening about 1 week ago. Before then, elevation was pretty close, but the actual track was not correct. I frequently ride with friends who have iPhones and garmin edge devices and their tracks are much much better than mine. Think it is related more to GPS or TMobile service? I've had pretty terrible service recently.
I use Strava and have been very happy with it.
However, I wish to automate Strava using Tasker to run and log when I touch an NFC chip. Then turn off and upload when I touch the chip again.
This seems much easier to configure with My Tracks so I'm gonna give that a try instead.
Just chime in and tell me how your WiFi/GPS is, and how your prime is operating.
If you don't have anything positive towards this thread GET OUT. I'm trying to get a better understanding of how everyone with a BCOKAS model is doing.
My wifi is decent/crap, I have to be within 10 feet of any router for a good connection. GPS is worthless
I'm waiting on "Gary Key" to come out with his amazing solution of fixing this. That's why I haven't RMAed or Unlocked yet.
Besides the WiFi, I LOVE THIS DEVICE. I could use the GPS on my phone.
Sooo hows your BCOKAS Prime ???
WIFI: Range is horrible
WIFI + BT: Recently tested this feature.... performs extremely poorly. Will do more test.
GPS: I can get few birds (including inside of the house) & few will lock with pathetic signal. However, everything disappears once it starts to move...
That's including aGPS... horrible.
Browser: Adequate once Chrome browser was deleted. However, still getting the "wait" pop-up window or force close on occasion.
Games: Don't really game on my Prime but it works well when I do (games look good as well).
Streaming Media from Network(movies): Due to poor WIFI range, it doesn't work well once I am 15+ ft away from the router.. however, if I am within 10ft range.. it works well. Also, if my Prime is idle for few mins. (5+).. & if I wake up my Prime... screen flickers & I see screen tear... & when I unlock it.. it'll freeze/lag & Prime will reboot. (This continues even after soft reset.. haven't done factory reset yet)
eReader: Probably the main reason why I continue to use Prime. MyLibrary from Asus is my fav. eReader app. Yes, I mainly use Prime for reading eBooks... (not exactly the reason why I purchased but it works well).
WIFI:
My wifi range is very similar to my GNex so it's not terrible. I just ran a Speed Test and was getting around 4-5D and 4-5U on the wireless here at my work which the signal strength is around -70dB.
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2-3 birds outside, nothing inside and I never get a lock.
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I have a lot of trouble getting things to connect to it but it can be done. Performance with wifi on is poor.
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Been getting launcher crashes of late so I installed GO HD and that seems to have helped, but I will say that apps in general are not very stable.
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Other than that, I'm in the same boat David. Waiting to unlock based on what I hear from RMA's. I started a thread a couple weeks ago to try and gather info from those who RMA'd for BT/WIFI issues but at that point no one really had. Maybe we can get some results now...
My bcokas
I have had this one since late Feb or early March (my 2nd one).
Only one or two uncommanded reboots--I am not a heavy user--I do not know enough about it to be a serious user, YET.
I am pretty computer knowledgeable, though.
I just took my prime outside (Anchorage, Alaska at the International Airport)
I have a wireless G network at our office. It is on the second floor inside a wooden frame building-close to, but not visible through a window. I connected with the WiFi Analyzer using the speedometer style gauge and received -73 to -75 DB at approximately 300 feet away on our ramp (aircraft parking area). I did not attempt any downloads--pretty chilly outside today.
Next, I loaded the GPS test app from Chartcross, and while outside (completely wide open), got no birds. This did not surprise me. I have found that if no birds are visible, a complete shutdown & restart will usually bring the GPS back to life. IT DID!!
Within 30 seconds of starting the app (after the complete restart), I had 12-14 birds visible and 10-11 in use. Signal strength never exceeded 31 on the graph. The usability remains poor, even though numerous birds in view. The coverage drops off to none frequently but reconnects quickly. As a commercial pilot, I am very familiar with GPS usage. This one cannot be classified greater than "Very Poor". I have the Dual xgps150a that I use via Bluetooth and it works flawlessly.
I have not attempted to use Bluetooth & WiFi at the same time, and therefore cannot comment on that aspect.
Overall, I am not dissatisfied with the Prime. I had no expectations of using the built-in GPS when I purchased it. The WiFi could be a bit better; but I consider it to be usable.
My biggest complaint with the Prime is not the hardware, it is the software. Specifically, the crappy browsers that I have tried (5 or 6). I absolutely hate "TABS" I refuse to use them on my PCs. I am not saying that they are bad, I just don't like them. The only browser that I even remotely can tolerate (thus far) is Dolphin. It still uses TABS, but at least it has a home button. Doing anything on a tablet browser (to me--so far) is like flying from Anchorage to Seattle via Tokyo, Manilla, and Santiago. I guess I am saying that I find all of them to be very user-unfriendly.
I guess I have whined enough.
Jerry In Anchorage, Alaska
Wifi is perfectly fine, no problems with it.
I've only gotten a lock with GPS once, and that was while I was sitting outside.
Haven't tried bt+wifi.
Have been getting some not responding messages with the browser occasionally when opening it.
I don't really game on it, but from the small amount of time I've used N64oid it certainly wasn't unacceptable.
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I have had mine since mid January. No obvious issues with wi-fi and I'm able to stream music from my NAS drive to my bluetooth headphones while using the internet. I don't know if it's relevant but my broadband speed isn't exactly stellar (8mb max) whereas I notice that many of those with drop out issues when using bluetooth seem to to have a much higher speed normally.
GPS works in that satellites show indoors and out but the strength doesn't appear to be that great (I get locks but the values in GPS Test have never got near 30). Having said that, I probably would never use a tablet for satnav because of the size - it's far too big for my car whereas my Galaxy S2 phone is much more suitable and less distracting!
I've used most browsers but now mainly use either ICS+ Browser. I've (very) occasionally seen the 'wait' message but other than that everything is good and overall I'm (touch wood!) happy with my Prime.
Bcokas here. Wifi is fine and same as my old Droid charge and now my gnex. GPS got locks the one time I tried it months ago, been off since and never tried navigation with it so can't help with that. I've only tested bt with wifi using a sixaxis controller, seemed fine about 30 ft from router but didn't do a speed test to see if and how much it affected signal strength and speed.
I just got a BC0KAS TF201 back from RMA in Texas. My original complaint was black screen (nothing shows up on LCD), GPS nonexistent (ordered 12/28), and weak wifi. After all the parts replaced (GPS foil, conductive sponges, etc..), screen finally works but thats about it. No satellite locks still indoors or outdoors and still weak wifi.
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I just got a BC0KAS TF201 back from RMA in Texas. My original complaint was black screen (nothing shows up on LCD), GPS nonexistent (ordered 12/18), and weak wifi. After all the parts replaced (GPS foil, conductive sponges, etc..), screen finally works but thats about it. No satellite locks still indoors or outdoors and still weak wifi.
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That's a lame story bro.
I'd RMA until they got it right. It sucks that you have to sit there and just take it, while Asus adds you to the satisfied Prime owner statistic.
Overall I have been happy with mine and would compare to some of the more favorable responses here.
Wifi: I initially thought that the .21 made a difference but have re-evaluated. At the furthest point in my house from the router (several walls, 1 floor, 40 ft) I get about 3-4 times slower speeds than other devices. It is still fast enough to surf, stream videos etc.
BT: don't use it much. Wifi speeds are the same whether it is on or off.
GPS: The patches in the dev section actually made some difference. I get a few sats inside with no lock. Outside, I get 11-12 with a lock. GPS test says the accuracy is 30 ft which I doubt would be enough to navigate, but who cares??
Regarding crashes when browsing and so on, I was getting a lot before I unlocked. In the end I just figured screw it, unlocked and installed a rom. I did that about 6 weeks ago and I could count the number of crashes on one hand. Maybe a factory reset would have had the same effect but where's the fun in that
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That's a lame story bro.
I'd RMA until they got it right. It sucks that you have to sit there and just take it, while Asus adds you to the satisfied Prime owner statistic.
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Its not really mine. Its my friend's prime, but i used my creditcard to pay for it. Its his first tablet so hes pretty new to the game. As long as the prime works he can deal until there is a real fix for it, then Ill tell him. I have the receipt (ordered well before the GPS announcement) and all the paper work for the RMA (so there is history that I have complained about the GPS and weak wifi), so they cant deny me the GPS. Couldnt tell if the bluetooth+wifi works since I dont have any bluetooth headphones to test it. I wanna give it a few more months to see if there is any development in the prime.
Thats why I refunded my money, I had few B0CKS and where all the same GPS and weak wifi. Im holding out for something that I can be happy with.
wifi works great. better than my Ipad & atrix phone as far as download speeds, reception strength, and signal stability goes.
wifi/BT works fine. I'm able to transfer big movie files from my phone to prime while prime is hooked up to wifi internet and streaming movie at same time. no slowdown of speeds and movie plays just fine streaming while BT in the background transferring big file.
Gps- never tested outdoors yet. plus I hook up my phone to prime through BT GPS. works great.
overall my early BC model from 12/22 has been performing great for me. no real issues what so ever to complain about really. I'd easily purchase this again if i had to do it over again. my Ipad has nothing on my prime. No comparison to Prime & Android experience. Very pleased with device and its performance. IMO, Asus did a great job on it as mines works as expected and more.
Thanks for the responding!
My wi-fi performance isn't stellar, but it isn't horrible either. I can get better signal than my, older, hp laptop in some areas of my house. I'm happy enough with it to not want to RMA.
I rely on my phone any time I need GPS so I have never actually tested it on my Prime. Seems like redundant use of technology for me. For the same reason, I haven't loaded any music onto my Prime--I have it all on my, more portable, phone.
I love ICS. Sure, I have some difficulty with the browser some times, but I expect Google will be continually making this better. I usually just check in with FB with it anyway. For any serious browsing I use a computer.
One of the things I love the best about my Prime is the dock. I've had zero issues with it and love the short-cut buttons. I'm currently writing a book, completely on my Prime, and it and Polaris Office have been wonderful.
I've been using my BC0KAS TF201 from Best Buy since mid January, and I'm pleased with it overall.
Wifi is nothing to be proud of, but acceptable. Downstairs is not a problem, but upstairs I get slower speeds, which is to be expected.
GPS is absent. I'm lucky to get a lock anywhere, and I've never seen more than 3 sats while driving.
I haven't used bluetooth much.
I use chrome browser and it works fine.
Battery life is somewhat of an issue for me; I keep it on about 50% brightness most of the time, and the battery goes down quite fast at times. Fast charging makes up for it though.
My wifi is usable. I even connected once to free mcdonalds wifi from the parking lot (slow, but checked my email which is what i needed to do). I will have a weak signal upstairs, but netflix worked fine.
Wifi + bt. Again, usable, but signal drops when i feed my stereo bt music and try to watch netflix (really real world?)
No reboots till two updates ago. Way better with .21
Gps is completely useless. I was one of the few who wanted this to replace my aging gps as a nice bonus. Tried all the gps patches from the thread, 1.0rc seems to make things more stable in gps test, but i no longer get locks whatsoever. Also, no skymap fun as its twitchy.
Screen goes through fits with tearing along the left side. Sometimes need to reboot to fix it. Minimal backlight bleeding, didnt even notice till the 3rd time i turned it on, and i was looking for it at that point.
I love this thing enough to have kept it since early jan (bb.com fiasco unit). Not unlocked. Still scared even though i reallllly want to...
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My WiFi slightly beats out the Galaxy Ace and Wildfire in terms of range and the DL/UL speeds are still pretty good at the furthest away point in my house.
GPS is non existant as far as I can tell, not really got the patience to test it properly though.
Never really use BT+WiFi together so can't comment on that.
My Rear camera doesn't work, just a green glitchy mess. Not sure if it's hardware or software though.
Gaming is good on it, got plenty of emulators working very well and games like Shadowgun run and look great.
Wifi-up to par with my Droid x
Wifi+Bluetooth- no issues
Gps - not so great, its picky about location and view of the sky
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Wifi matches Droid X in speed and signal strength.
I don't use BT on my tablet.
GPS - outside, 10/10 lock/view, vs. droid x 10/16. Inside, maybe 1 in view, no lock. Droid X will get 6/8.
OS, no issues. I did have to wipe going from HC-->ICS, but I wasn't expecting apps to survive anyway,
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I had issues with triangles appearing on overlays and random bars on the edge of the screen, but those have gone away with the .21 update. The triangle tearing thing was always fixable by just swiping apps off the recent apps list.
Wifi is fine my E4200 version 1 is in the center of the house and I get a decent connection both on the front and back steps and I use the prime to watch network streamed tv show replays with no problems or stuttering in the house. Gps is good in the house at times and non working at other times same outside. Location and weather effect this I believe. My browser hasnt given me any problems to speak of, overall I'm pleased.
October Edition just arrived, 6 months late, but it did arrive and it did work (albeit with the additional Cradle not in the box)
Charged, set up email to send myself the Google Play apk; double clicked it and everything worked fine. Activated my Android and all working well.
Downloaded some apps, inc spotify and mapmyrun. Added a sim card and sd card - not well designed really. The galaxy s5 shows how simple it is to do and retain waterproofing. The Omate, with tiny fiddly screws, rubber bits, non symetrical cover etc was something I hope not to have to do again; which renders my spare battery a bit pointless. I was expecting to pop off the back and swap a drained battery for a charged one, as I can do on a mobile.
However, with battery at 67% went for a 1 hour run and with GPS, Wifi, Data and Bluetooth active (music to BT Headphones and running data being tracked) battery only went down 20% - impressive! and confirmed I can give up the GPS watch...
All good, but definitely some sticking points. Wifi at one point wouldn't re-activate, without a long reboot. The keyboard can drive you insane, especially entering masked passwords - the keyboard can be supersensitive and fire off several characters at once by accident, so you have to start again. The 'show passwords' option doesn't always work.
The navigation seems awkward and inconsistent - i wish there was a back button, the swipe left often triggers an option or menu unintentionally so you have to go back twice and when the same thing happens again, it's not long before you give up and press the home button...
Maybe it's just some getting used to - day 1 and all that!
Overall this is an incredible piece of tech and will be a big benefit to my lifestyle. It requires a change of thinking I suspect, but one that is welcome, so overall I am very pleased with the first impression.
I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
Thanks for the reply, it's good to share tips and tricks!
I saw that Loki has actually abandoned TrueSmart. Frustrations with their updates and lack of support I think.
Primarily for me this watch was a replacement sports tracker, but my hopes for an all-purpose watch are not looking good as the blue-tooth tethering is not working with my S5; it pairs successfully, but doesn't connect, so the TrueSmart Master app is useless.
The TS also doesn't connect to my BT headset for voice, but it did connect with the JayBird headphones (although the cutting out was super irritating).
In Summary - BlueTooth not reliable and will be a deal-breaker as I would have to carry my phone anyway.
Couple with the infuriating keyboard and inconsistent navigation, (I've now tried the LMT dial thing, which also doesn't work properly) I'm losing interest fast - which is a shame as it could be so good.
For charging, my GPS watch uses a clip as you describe. So much better than the cradle which renders the watch inaccessible while it's charging. But why not a simple USB port with a cover, like the S5....(a proper waterproof phone). Even the solar charger will then require carrying two separate items for the TS...
You can set up profiles on an app called Easy Battery Saver - I used it on my last phone and installed it for TS. It works as described and easy to activate/de-activate.
I will keep with the TS a while longer, but I suspect the next Galaxy Gear, which is rumoured to be stand-alone, will be what we are really looking for...
Hope to hear more from you - I will post my next findings on the TS too.
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I think the answer to your question about whether you have day 1 frustrations is: yes and no.
I put on Lokifish's latest ROM and did a few other tweaks (principally Daniel Ortiz's recommended GPS fix) and then started from there. I played with the out-of-the-box version for a total of two minutes before I became monumentally frustrated with the sensitivity of the touch screen, and the keyboard seemed to trigger letters even when I was just hovering over the screen trying to make a more accurate 'tap'. Maybe it was placebo effect but the Lokifish ROM seemed to be better calibrated, though I still avoid using the keyboard for anything other than tapping in passwords to get accounts setup.
The first app that gave me an inkling that the TS is a 'keeper' is Runkeeper. (pun!) I'm actually not so much of a runner, but I use Runkeeper on my main device to track my cycling and I log my circuit and swim training data on the web which integrates across the other apps I use to collect and manage fitness data (Withings Body Analyzer, Myfitnesspal, Fitbit). The thought of being able to dispense with multiple tracking apps/devices and perhaps even leaving the big phone at home (the Z1s doesn't have the brightest screen anyway) was one of the main draws of the TrueSmart. But the real 'killer app' feature for me was the ability to use this TrueSmart as an 'all day wearer' *and* have it work in-water to capture swim data. But After six months of waiting (like you) and seeing the not-really-waterproof drama unfold, I was pretty much ready to put this thing on eBay on day 0.
However, Runkeeper/Ride with GPS plus Cyril Preiss' "SWApps" has just about sold me on keeping the device, or at least rekindled my interest enough to see whether its worth pursuing some form of aftermarket waterproofing approach. (currently being hashed out in another thread here)
So in essence I concur with/confirm your findings. I still haven't found out how to get the auto-correct to behave on the keyboard, but I think that's as much about taking a grand-daddy step back to understand how the Fleksy is designed, and how to properly inflect the gestures to keep things from getting out-of-hand (pun!). I remember having *some* of the same trouble when going from the iPhone 4s to the Xperia Z1 (before the Z1s) and that keyboard drove me kuh-ray-zee until I figured out the whole swipe-your-finger-to-spell-the-word thing worked. Then suddenly I wondered how anyone would type on one of these things any other way.
So - I'm coming around to seeing the advantages of the TrueSmart, and more to the point *really* understanding why Lokifish, Cyril, Kurt, Daniel and so many others here see in the platform - and continue to invest time and effort into it.
Oh - and as to the battery drain, I just ran my TS down to 15% and then connected it to a Waka Waka to charge, and while I didn't have it timed it's already back to 100%. Solar powered smartwatch - now we're talkin'. So instead of thinking about a snap-in/out solution for the battery I'm looking at/for a 'gator glip' charger cable or some other light-weight charger connection for the TS (I thought I saw them online somewhere, and OMate was offering them at first - I'd prefer that to the case for workout/outdoor activities where space is a premium). I'm also looking into how to/whether I can set up profiles that are more like "give me what you got" versus "all-day wearer" mode. On the Sony Xperia Z1s there's a "Stamina Mode" which tamps down on battery drain, but can also kill functionality of apps that are not in the foreground (bad news for Panobike cycling cadence meter, etc) so while I have *some* apps exempted from Stamina Mode, when I'm doing a dedicated outing I just switch it off completely - knowing that I'm going to be putting the device on charge by either using one of the portable packs I'm carrying with me - or when I get back to the car.
Anyway, food for thought...
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More success with BT pairing
More success today - got the bt headset (MyVoice 312) paired for calls, plus the jabra sport wireless+ bt headphones for music.... both devices paired and switch automatically when powering on and off.
Galaxy S5 also paired, but no joy with the SWAPPS app. I will keep trying with that, but it's actually a low priority since I have a sim for the TS ($10 per month for second sim with same number as primary sim)
Tonight I hope to try the Endomondo app on the TS paired with the Jabras, since they have a special feature that gives realtime data from the app when pushing a button on the headphones.
I can see it's going to take a while with the TS, but the tech is really good and offers a lot of promise. It's all about expectations I guess.
If the BT goes all intermittent again tonight I will be v disappointed as this is a basic but critical feature.
One problem I have had after exercising is that if you hand/fingers are sweaty then the TS goes nuts when you touch the screen - there really needs a sensitivity option (like on the S5)
Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
I can't help you with the technical nuts and bolts as I am going to keep it all simple and hopefully working. No ROM flashes, install PlayStore and get your BT headset working.
Just that alone gives you a mobile on your wrist which is pretty damn cool for checking email, facebook, text, whatsapp and voice calls. Plus spotify, endomondo and maps!
The keyboard is a problem though, being so sensitive. And if it's raining, forget using it at all - not because of the water resistance, but because the screen just goes crazy with the water drops.
I am going to try Google Search/Voice to see if I can use voice commands on it.
Anyone else had luck with using voice?
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Any pointers for best option for gaining Root Access to Omate TS? I notice that you have flashed Loki's 'latest' ROM, so presumably you have Rooted and flashed a Custom Recovery??
Best way to proceed--I would be grateful for a 'Heads-Up'.
BTW--I have, today, just received my October Dev Edition 1 GB 8 Gb 2100 Mhz version--and am looking at flashing Loki's ROM 20140328--is that the one to which you are referring?? or, do you have a different device version?
Any pointers--gratefully received.
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Hey guys, I'm like a dev October backer and I get my watch this week-end. I have just started it today and after reading the lokifish topic I don't think it is a good idea for us to use our watches until we flashed a ROM with a secure kernel (the kernel of the 1/8/2100 is unsecure).
If you want to root your TS there is tons of solutions as it i a mediatek chip.
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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I'm using Backbeat Go 2 with my TS, I love the "minimalistic" approach to it. When not used I wear them like a necklace (you can attach the earbuds to eachother) and it's not in the way the slightest. It works great for taking phone calls, and I've tried it with both walking, biking and running with no issues. Volume controls, checking battery level, taking calls and such works great from the remote. Battery life is ok:ish, maybe a bit more than 3 hours total listening time. That is if you play music or talk on the phone non-stop, with moderate use (taking a few phonecalls during the day and similar) they last for days.
From what I hear the Backbeat Go 2 is more or less a ripoff of Jaybird Bluebuds X headphone (looks very similar), but the Jaybirds have better battery life, fits more securely in your ear for sporting and such - not that I ever had issues with that. The main thing that made me go with the Backbeat though is that it's about half the price.
Ok thanks. I'm gonna give a look to this.
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Blue-rayer said:
Can you recommend me a BT Headphone to par with my TS.
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After going through two Backbeats (not the Go, think it was 903 or something similar) I can state they are useless for exercising with, no resistance to water or sweat.
I then tried a pair of Philips SHB6017/10 and lasted a month before starting to randomly calling strange numbers due to shorting out. I'm not a sweaty person, honest!
Finally settled on Jabra Sport and they're awesome, have been using them for a year now.
Thanks to Amazon who refunded and replaced every single failed headphone, even sending out the replacements before I'd sent in the dead ones.
Cheers,
Andreas
I was actually playing around with the voice commands, you do have to setup loads of Google Apps, like Google search and Maps etc and give it permission to everything but it does work... I highly recommend using Nova launcher as it places the Mic search option right on the home screen.... which launches Google search... "Ok Google" and you're off.... I'm not sure how to get it to recognise OK Google without first having started the search app... Anyway some of my favourite things to ask for....
Take me home.... (Starts maps navigation)
Play some music (starts Google music and tries to play music)
Order Pizza (finds the nearest dominos)
What is iPhone (reads out definition of an iphone)
I bought the Moto 360 Sport (which is essentially the v2 in a fixed band and GPS onboard) because I like fitness/smart watches - and prefer to not have to carry my phone if possible.
Pros:
GPS tracking
Can play music from watch to BT headphones
Heart Rate/Pedometer/Barometer/Android Wear
Very comfortable
Battery life is a solid day with moderate use and about 1 hour GPS tracked running
Cons:
BT range is poor
Constantly disconnects from phone
Music breaks up while hand is moving
Actions from watch to phone fail quite a lot
Cannot track general fitness activities (e.g. weight lifting)
Should be fully waterproof
What happens if the strap breaks?
Initially contacted Motorolla thinking I had a faulty unit - but have since read more and more reviews of a similar nature to mine. They did say I could send it back for service, but to be honest, I think it's going to be on all of them.
I have realised that I wear my watch on my left wrist and my phone usually goes in my right pocket. If I take the watch off, the BT connection is great. If I listen to music with the watch on the table - it has no problems and the range is huge. Put the watch back on my wrist and it breaks up again. That must be the flaw?
Contacted Motorolla again to raise these points more specifically and have been told they will raise with the responsible department and let me know the best solution for me.
Thought I'd create the thread in case others are experiencing the same issues - or if anyone has any suggestions/additional issues. Anyway, will post an update when I have one.
UPDATE from Motorolla:
If the watch strap is damaged, it would need to be sent for repair. Unfortunately it is not possible to replace the strap yourself on the Moto 360 Sport.
For the bluetooth connectivity issues, please follow these instructions:
- Uninstall the Android Wear app and un-pair all devices that are paired with your phone.
- Turn Bluetooth off on your phone.
- From manage apps on your phone, select “Bluetooth Share”
- Tap “Force stop” then “OK”
- Tap “Clear data” then “Ok”
- Power cycle the phone by turning it completely off and then back on.
- Perform a factory data reset on the Moto 360 by going to Settings > Reset.
- Re-install the Android Wear app and connect with the Moto 360 again.
- Wait until the Moto 360 has finished syncing apps. Transfer music back to the watch again via Google Play Music, pair your wireless headphones with the watch and test it again.
Note that bluetooth devices may disconnect or create noise when their batteries are low so ensure that the watch and all other Bluetooth devices are fully charged.
If you are using the device indoors, other wireless equipment such as Wi-Fi, cordless phones, or baby monitors, that operate on the 2.4 Ghz frequency may cause interference, and contribute to a dropped connection.
If you are using the device outdoors, the Bluetooth signal may be affected by the environmental conditions.
Keep metal objects, such as keys or coins, away from all Bluetooth devices to avoid interference.
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I have a Moto 360 v2 and I continuous connection problems with Bt and service "ok google" not available. The notifications seem to arrive, but when I want to respond vocally to a message, many times not working.
The problem is Android Wear or Motorola?
For billysa: removing moto connect from your phone will likely fix the ok google disconnect problem, it did for me.
Hi
I have one and what I would like to check better is the GPS accuracy. the rest of the things you speak about I have no problem. (I have some problems with the sound of the music where I am running and I put my hands down to stretch. But it only happens a couple of times... )
but the reason I bought the Moto 360 Sport is because the GPS and I do not get the same results as with the mobile
examples of this week in some routes with a lot of slopes:
Monday/Wednesday: same route
Monday: mobile with endomondo 8km 44
watch with moto body running 8km 69
Wednesday: mobile with endomondo 8km 42
watch with endomondo 8km 53
Thursday: mobile with endomondo 6,01 km
mobile with moto body 6,26 km
the mobile tracks the routes properly but the wacht does some little bends now and then, they are very little but enough to see that is the wacth which is doing it bad
I am going to do more tests in a flat route, looking more apps (perhaps ghorstraer could work) and I gonna compare it againts a friend's good garmin forerunner in order to get further information
have you had this kind of problems with the GPS???
regards.
billysa said:
I have a Moto 360 v2 and I continuous connection problems with Bt and service "ok google" not available. The notifications seem to arrive, but when I want to respond vocally to a message, many times not working.
The problem is Android Wear or Motorola?
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I had this issue to begin with. First time I contacted Motorolla, they said to factory reset the watch and start again. I did that and it didn't work. However, I then installed Moto Connect & Body on the phone (as well as Android Wear) - all of a sudden it became more reliable with the vocal commands. In fact, when in range of the phone, it works every time now.
As Delano.88 had the opposite effect to get it working, could just be a couple of uninstall/reinstalls is what it needs.
iruizeguilaz said:
Hi
I have one and what I would like to check better is the GPS accuracy. the rest of the things you speak about I have no problem. (I have some problems with the sound of the music where I am running and I put my hands down to stretch. But it only happens a couple of times... )
but the reason I bought the Moto 360 Sport is because the GPS and I do not get the same results as with the mobile
examples of this week in some routes with a lot of slopes:
Monday/Wednesday: same route
Monday: mobile with endomondo 8km 44
watch with moto body running 8km 69
Wednesday: mobile with endomondo 8km 42
watch with endomondo 8km 53
Thursday: mobile with endomondo 6,01 km
mobile with moto body 6,26 km
the mobile tracks the routes properly but the wacht does some little bends now and then, they are very little but enough to see that is the wacth which is doing it bad
I am going to do more tests in a flat route, looking more apps (perhaps ghorstraer could work) and I gonna compare it againts a friend's good garmin forerunner in order to get further information
have you had this kind of problems with the GPS???
regards.
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I have noticed the same as you, yes. Been using RunKeeper on mine - when I look at the map, on the website, it's clear that the GPS is taking an age to lock on. It's a good minute before the run starts - but the route looks pretty ok. I can't see a way to determine when GPS is locked.
I see the bends too - but for me, they aren't that bad.
Good test comparisons you've got there - let me know if you find a good one! I'll just stick to RunKeeper for now - got friends on it and we compete for distance/calories done.
Edit: Actually - just had a closer look at the map and can see the route is way off! Read this review today http://www.wareable.com/android-wear/moto-360-sport-review ...it says third party apps aren't as good as the built in moto app, so I'll give that a bash today.
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Edit: Actually - just had a closer look at the map and can see the route is way off! Read this review today ...it says third party apps aren't as good as the built in moto app, so I'll give that a bash today.
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I agree with that review that the moto body running app is able to get faster (very fast actually) the gps. Endomndo takes more time to do so. and the endomondo is not able to use the watch's heart rate while moto body running do it properly. but In my case the deviate of the distance does not come from the begining, on the contrary is constant during all the route, each km the wacth do a litle bit more... with motorola running 30-40 meters per km
Besides, in my tests I foond the motorola's app less accurate than endomondo app as I wrote down in the previous post. the reviews says 'the 360 Sport was always within 100m on distances over 8km' but in my case the difference is almost 300 meters with the motorla app and only 100 with the endomondo. I wanna point out that my routes were with a lot of slopes and this could be the problem because:
at the same route:
mobile with endomondo 8,42 km Total ascent 141 meters
watch with endomondo 8,53 km Total ascent 51 meters
motorola body running does not show me this information
Thanks for the answers.
I'm testing the Moto 360 without Moto Connect and above without using the Theater Mode. For now I have seen an improvement (not always working), but it is always very slow to recover connection Bt. When the clock loses its connection freezes for a few seconds, this happens to you?
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Thanks for the answers.
I'm testing the Moto 360 without Moto Connect and above without using the Theater Mode. For now I have seen an improvement (not always working), but it is always very slow to recover connection Bt. When the clock loses its connection freezes for a few seconds, this happens to you?
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I'm not seeing that, but what I have noticed is when I use any watch face, other than a built in moto face, the connection is very unreliable and the watch crashed more. Which is no good when we're supposed to be able to customise the faces. I put up with the standard faces now.
For what it's worth, BT transmits very poorly through the human body from my experiences. If the two devices are on opposite sides of your body transmission may be temperamental.
One of my original BT headsets had an antenna that was placed in such a way that my body sat between it and my phone. When I walked outside in open areas my music would often breakup.
When you're inside this isn't much of an issues as there are plenty of surfaces (walls, doors, tables, windows) for the signal to bounce around. But in a wide open space there isn't much reflected signal to get around your body.
It might be interesting to try swapping your watch to your opposite arm during and run and see if that makes a difference.
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For what it's worth, BT transmits very poorly through the human body from my experiences. If the two devices are on opposite sides of your body transmission may be temperamental.
One of my original BT headsets had an antenna that was placed in such a way that my body sat between it and my phone. When I walked outside in open areas my music would often breakup.
When you're inside this isn't much of an issues as there are plenty of surfaces (walls, doors, tables, windows) for the signal to bounce around. But in a wide open space there isn't much reflected signal to get around your body.
It might be interesting to try swapping your watch to your opposite arm during and run and see if that makes a difference.
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100% get where you're coming from. I actually have to do that when I go out running (but I shouldn't have to for the price tag of these watches). The reason it gets me so much is - I had a Microsoft Band V1 and the BT range on that was incredible. Couldn't listen to music, I know that, but it was so good that when I was walking down the drive and the phone is charging in the kitchen - it would buzz me as I approached the house with notifications from the phone. This watch barely even knows the phone is in the same room, in my experience.
It's disappointing that if my phone or headphones are on my right side and my watch is on my left wrist, there's a struggle.
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100% get where you're coming from. I actually have to do that when I go out running (but I shouldn't have to for the price tag of these watches). The reason it gets me so much is - I had a Microsoft Band V1 and the BT range on that was incredible. Couldn't listen to music, I know that, but it was so good that when I was walking down the drive and the phone is charging in the kitchen - it would buzz me as I approached the house with notifications from the phone. This watch barely even knows the phone is in the same room, in my experience.
It's disappointing that if my phone or headphones are on my right side and my watch is on my left wrist, there's a struggle.
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FWIW, I've found the range on my 360 46mm to be quite on par with other BT devices I'd. I dunno is the sport has different placement of antenna or different materials around it that are blocking the signal perhaps??
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FWIW, I've found the range on my 360 46mm to be quite on par with other BT devices I'd. I dunno is the sport has different placement of antenna or different materials around it that are blocking the signal perhaps??
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Could be - maybe adding the GPS receiver has caused a problem...
Regarding the Bluetooth choppy playback I am not sure if it is Android Wear (software) related. Today I almost could not listen to music and putting my hands in my pockets almost broke playback. But as a test I changed the watch hand (from right to left) and I had no more issues with playback over Bluetooth. Can someone test if this helps?
Also to mention that Bluetooth choppyness happens only while tracking and outdoors.
JimmyKane9 said:
Regarding the Bluetooth choppy playback I am not sure if it is Android Wear (software) related. Today I almost could not listen to music and putting my hands in my pockets almost broke playback. But as a test I changed the watch hand (from right to left) and I had no more issues with playback over Bluetooth. Can someone test if this helps?
Also to mention that Bluetooth choppyness happens only while tracking and outdoors.
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Yeah that's what I'm getting too - but annoyed that's what I have to do to use the watch while running/listening to music. It's similar to the old Jobs meme "you're holding it wrong"
To solve the problem of BT connection, I have tried all the solutions proposed here including reinstalling Google Play Service and factory reset of smartwatch... nothing.
AT THE END, the problem was only in a well-known (except me) bug BT on the Note 3 with Lollipop (solved with an app).
Now I will try to reinstall watchface and app, but finally seems to work well.
Maybe it's already fixed??
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Yeah that's what I'm getting too - but annoyed that's what I have to do to use the watch while running/listening to music. It's similar to the old Jobs meme "you're holding it wrong"
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Acording to the 6.0.1 changelog: "We have introduced improvements that reduce the choppy audio when listening music through a Bluetooth headset while your watch is in motion, like when you are walking or working out" ... can anyone can confirm this?
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Acording to the 6.0.1 changelog: "We have introduced improvements that reduce the choppy audio when listening music through a Bluetooth headset while your watch is in motion, like when you are walking or working out" ... can anyone can confirm this?
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Did anybody indeed get the update? Nothing in Netherlands so far....
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Did anybody indeed get the update? Nothing in Netherlands so far....
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Ok, still choppy sound... maybe a little better than before, not sure, but not perfect yet
Just dropping in to let you all know it's not AW. No audio choppiness when running outdoors, tracking with GPS and listening to music on the LG watch Urbane 2 LTE, so it seems to be hardware related. Sorry
My Urbane has no problem keeping a BT connection with the phone ever, however I have to reconnect my BT headset with the watch every time i want to use them together, so this IS an AW issue.
Maybe the 360 antenna placement is causing this issue...